Seriously, maybe I've just not played enough (I just came back to Rabanastre after escaping the prison) of XII, but why do people hate Vaan? I see no problem with him so far. Granted, Balthier is still far more awesome, hell yes, but Vaan's okay. Does he like, do something later in the game really stupid and lame that so many hate him for? Because so far he's fine to me.
Four words: Vaan is a pussy.
Aaaaaaand, what makes him a pussy, exactly?
Uh...being a pussy? Eitherway, he is clueless, has bad leadership and sticks with the party for a hobby.
He just looks like a pussy the whole vest thing then there is the way he acts and he speaks. Everything about him is just pussyish
This question constantly bothers me. I see nothing other than maybe voice acting that makes Vaan the worse character in the series. Clueless? That bad vest? Raised as a street urchin, those guys aren't well known for being "in the know" or stylish. Bad leadership? He's not the leader, Ashe is. That other thing you mentioned? He wants an adventure, simple enough. Now is there a real reason everyone hates the guy?
So far it sounds like people hate Vaan just for the sake of hating him. "bad leadership and clueless" could be attributed to a majority of the series' protagonists.
He isn't a leader. He isn't smart. He isn't clever or funny or have anything to say about the sake of things. Vaan's opinion that Dalmasca should be free from the Empire seems to stem more from ignorance about the world then any actual knowledge about how to make things better. There is no reason for this character to be in the game, and all he manages to do is slow things down (things don't pick up until Balthier joins the game, the first hour is nauseating). Vaan has a sweet, carefree additude with a warm heart. Which is completely sickening in it's unoriginality (he reminds me of Ash Ketchum in all the worst ways). If real people were like Vaan, I would become a mass murderer. Not to mention his lack of opinion about real topics. At first he seems to care very much about his brother's death, then fades into the background; forgiving Basch for no reason. Vaan tells Ashe not to use the Sun-Cryst in one of his few contributions to the storyline. Why? Because it's not pure and wholesome? The PC crowd wouldn't go for it? Fuck you! Grow some balls! The adults can take care of the heavy political drama of FFXII. You go run into some vapid mindless adventure game with no real danger or plot (Revenant Wings), and stay there.Oh, and I hate the sight of him. Put a fucking shirt on you loser. Basically, everytime I walk into a town or village, I have to look at this guy, when preferably I would never see him ever again. His voice actor also makes an already weak character the ultimate pussy. And I'm sorry, but voice acting counts. Vaan fails.
Um....wow, just...wow, Blue. Are you sure you're not trying to convince yourself Vaan sucks? Because a rant like that is kinda overbearing. You try hard enough, you can make anyone sound bad, even Balthier.
Again, though - bad leadership, naive, bad outfit, not clever or funny, again, that's about half the series protagonists.
You're onto something there. FFXII was supposed to be a revolution for this series. We were supposed to break out of the same bad habits - love stories taking up too much of the plot, turn-based battles, random encounters, saving the world from one-dimensional villains who want to destroy everything just for the sake of being evil - and finally see some innovation. The series almost managed to grow up. But Vaan held it back. Everything any critic has ever said is bad about Final Fantasy is embodied in that one character. He's a disgrace. An embarrassment to this series.
OK. After reading BH's comment, it seems no one can give a real or not completly biased and baseless reason why he is hated. I have a theory though: so many people relate to him unknowingly and then are sickened about the notion that they are as unimportant as he is. Why does that sound like it makes so much sense?
I completely agree with Otherarrow, but still hate him.
I'm suprised you didn't jump straight to homophobia. That seems like the most obvious counter.Maybe somebody else might find Vaan attractive, I don't. Muscles, even painted-on ones are gross. If a man is going to be attractive, he needs to be as androgynous as say, Sephiroth for example. I hate Vaan for the same reason I hate Little Bear. You remember that show? UUCCHHH!!! Worst character ever.
Okay, I just went through the entire Mines with Lamont, thinking it was a she, then we come out, and "she" turns out to be Vayne's brother. I'm more distured over her gender than her family right now.
I would say because it's an wasted opportunity. Basch was originally meant to be the lead, but they decided older protagonists are bad for sales. Because we all know an Final Fantasy game can never be made about an middle-aged, morally conflicted knight. I didn't really hate Vaan, I was just bored by him...Ashe is the true protagonist anyway.
I think people hate Vaan just to make other characters look better in comparison... Well, thats probably 25% right, the other 75% is probably because despite being the main character, he plays little role in the story later in the game (im on the side that says Balthier should be the main character, though, but i dont hate Vaan)
At least Drake is not alone in his opinion. I don't see why Vaan is hated so much, but I think he is okay, even though he is unimportant.
I realize how dangerous inflating Blue's ego is. But that first Vaan rant...dang. Right up there with his Tales From the Q Wedding Peach rant. Clearly, BH is a bitter, demented, twisted future psychopath. But he's a bitter, demented, twisted future psychopath with writing talent, and I have to salute that.
Vaan stole Basch's role and name... That's just unforgiveable...
I HATE when people justify their rants of Vaan with the typical "He contributes nothing to the story", "Basch should have been the main character" or "he's too nice" excuses. People, if you're gonna say something, at least have valid reasoning and proof to back it up, like I will. (BlueHighwind, as per usual, went too far.) No offense to anyone, by the by.
It's not that Vaan is useless. In fact, he actually HAS a reason: the truth about his brother Reks. But that's just it: Reks. Other than that, he really had no contribution to the story except the minimal times, like with the Suncryst. As for his nice attitude, what the Hell? Moot point: Sabin was exactly like that. And Edgar, too. Oh, and Selphie. And I don't see anyone complaining about THEM. It's true that he usually either makes a mistake or can't make good comments (Fran's age, anyone?) but at least he knows the line between right and wrong. He also makes a good errand boy (LOL errand boy) and handiman for most of the game. He is also learning about sky pirates with Balthier, and also helps out Ashe in her becoming of a queen (Ashe is the true protagonist, by the by.) Vaan IS a leader- he just wasn't leading. Well, most of the time. And as for smarts and outfit... they're really the only complaints I have about him. I'm not standing up for Vaan- I'm just saying the facts as they are. Opinions, however, are an entirely different matter....He makes a pretty bad Basch. :Pright
He wasn't that bad of a character, and he looked alright in his art and cutscene form, but goddamn, his ingame model was fucking hideous. Inverted abs are NOT normal, and his face is just mutated as hell. I hate having to look at that every time I enter a town. I like him as a character, especially in TA2, but there are just so damn many things fundamentally wrong with every aspect of his model that it's sickening.I've had nightmares about his abs.
See, the reason Vaan is hated doesnt lie in Vaan, but in the other characters. Yea Sabin and Edgar were like Vaan, but those two were veterans amongs veterans, while Vaan is like a greenhorn horseshoed in a middle of a bunch of war veterans fighing their whole life. Sure he's important in the story, but who gives a flying crap about some streetrat when u have a war vet, an ex judge, a princess and a vierra? That is why Penelo and Vaan seems so "lame". Lets not forget people: IT WAS PENELO'S KIDNAP AND VAAN'S PALACE THEFT THAT STARTED OUR LITTLE FFXII JOURNEY
Hey, I agree. Vaan just looks...wrong. And I actually like Penelo, but not Vaan. I don't know why. Make of that what you will. Still, I preferred both to Fran. I hated her. XD Her accent was annoying as hell and the character just wasn't interesting to me.
I just started FFXII again, and Vaan hasn't grated on me as much this time around. I don't really hate the poor guy. I kind of feel bad for him. I mean, he's a wannabe sky pirate and Balthier is just too damn awesome for Vaan to ever compare to. I think my issue with Vaan, as with most of the cast of this game, is that he doesn't have much character development. He's not the worst character, but he's certainly not approaching the best. I need to play Revenant Wings and TA2 to get more perspective on his character.
Vaan doesn't suck. Everybody hopes that he had more purpose in the game and bigger part on it.