Editing Forum:User feedback: Oasis color scheme

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{{User:Catuse167/Templates/Bubble|time=21:14, July 5, 2013 (UTC)|text=A fellow on Facebook had this to say about our Oasis color scheme:

{{Quote|Could even be the background too. Sometimes I find it that being plain white, can be a little annoying, though I do use glasses and rarely I sometimes am affected by extensively bright colours. What colours to choose are up to suggestion, but for example. http://futurediary.wikia.com/wiki/Future_Diary_Wiki this is a wiki I used to work at as an admin, now I'm very inactive and few times I check on there. The colour isn't entirely bright but not a total dark. Now it isn't perfect and many things need to be changed such as in the main menu that has a lot of pure white stuff.<br/>But overall the colours are rather modest. If you ask me by aesthetics that can be a whole other issue, but perhaps some darker (not exactly black) colour scheme, can make things more acceptable to the eye than just white, and more friendly to users that can have some visual issues or have some ocular sensitivity.|Maximiliano Berger}}

Now, I'm opposed to having a fancy colorful background (increases loading time somewhat and is a bit distracting), but sharp contrasts can be a bit hard on the eyes, so a moderate change (such as making the WikiaArticle background a light shade of yellow, maybe what we have for the Editing <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}/Need Help Editing/Notifications bar in the editor</nowiki>) might be a good idea.}}

:"''I'm opposed to having a fancy colorful background [increases loading time somewhat and is a bit distracting]''"
<nowiki/>*stares perplexedly at Cat* - you mean images, right? ^_^

I have read the comment and do not consider making a change until further people have this issue. For this is the first time I have ever heard someone complain about a white background for reasons other than being bland.

I am not against creating new skins and allowing users to import them in their personal CSS (I once considered writing a Firefox add-on that allows the switch-in and switch-out of different CSS stylesheets/skins-- but I'd have to find out how to write an add-on first) though. [[User:JBed|JBed]] ([[User talk:JBed|talk]]) 21:21, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, I meant images. What we have right now isn't intrusive, but then you see websites depicting the entire cast of FFVI in fanart in their sidebar, ugh. {{User:Catuse167/Templates/sig}} 21:23, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
::If there is one colour you would associate with Final Fantasy, it's white. Nearly the FF games in the Japan and PAL regions have just the logo on a white background on the game covers. It's what sets it apart from all the generally darker game covers out there. I think we should match that with the skin of the wiki. The white background and the pale yellow are perfect in my opinion.
::I don't understand the criticism here. Many popular websites have white skins (and I'm talking white as #FFFFFF here). If you perceive the white to be too bright, then the problem is not the website, its your monitor - turn the brightness down. I've already mentioned how stupid my eyes are when it comes to light (and dark) colours, but I just adjust the brightness on my monitor when necessary.
::The only improvement I could think of is maybe add an image to the right of the website. A mirror image of the one of the left will do I think. {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 21:43, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

[[w:c:fr.finalfantasy|Heehee]]. Personally, I don't have a problem with our design, even though I have astigmatism and mild keratoconus. Maybe I'm used to the color scheme, although I've seen a lot of different ones and this one seems more inviting and warm (and not distracting). Oh, and when I edit, the Oasis editor likes to remove the linebreak right before the categories (I know Cat's bot has been adding some). I think Oasis has been doing stuff like that for a while. Strange. --[[User:Shockstorm|Shockstorm]] ([[User talk:Shockstorm|talk]]) 22:09, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
:Unfortunately we don't have any control over the Oasis editor glitching to hell and back. We still have to remove randomly duplicated categories sometimes. :/
:I have to agree with all of Jeppo's statements here. Not much more can be said on that. -- {{User:Some Color Mage/sig}} 22:24, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
:The editor is suck. And yeah, the bot has been adding spaces. It's part of a script that does actually useful stuff, like removing underscores from links and replacing HTML4. Could've commented it out, but I figured, it makes the code easier to read, why not leave it in. {{User:Catuse167/Templates/sig}} 23:54, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
Actually come to think of it, what does everyone think of the FFWiki logo in Oaisis? I think it is alright, but it strayed a little too much from the original logo with the chocobo mascot. Should we bring the chocobo back? {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 23:29, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
::It only works on white, as you can see in the edit forms. I would like chocobo on the right of FF-font "FINAL FANTASY WIKI". That shouldn't look bad, right? [[User:JBed|JBed]] ([[User talk:JBed|talk]]) 23:31, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
:::[[:File:Wiki_Title_Oaisis_Draft.png|One step ahead of you!]] Although I'm sure other people can do a better job than I can, this is only a proposition of what it could look like. {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 23:38, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
::::Looks alright. It happens that the logo is actually handled in JS (which I set-up for easy changing for event-logos without having to replace the Wiki-wordmark and Logo images). So we can actually have a slightly bigger space for the logo then the specification. We will have to crop it for the edit form, but we could possibly keep the whole chocobo intact for general wiki navigation. [[User:JBed|JBed]] ([[User talk:JBed|talk]]) 23:44, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
::::The text needs to be cleaned up a bit, but otherwise, looks good. -- {{User:Some Color Mage/sig}} 23:48, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it. {{User:Catuse167/Templates/sig}} 23:54, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, I'm glad you do. I know the text is a bit pants though. The title was taken from the Monobook logo, and I struggled erasing the chocobo behind the text, (The first A of "FANTASY" is a real shocker on my part) plus I had to blow it up slightly which never looks good. But it is a representation of what I (and as it so happens, JBed too) had in mind, and if anyone with more experience with such things can do it better then please feel free.
::::::Also if we can make the space for the logo bigger we can potentially fit the whole chocobo in there, instead of cropping off the top part of its head and chopping off one of its feet. {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 00:00, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
::::::EDIT: I've tidied it up a bit. I've "stolen" the FINAL FANTASY text from the FFX logo since it was easy to remove the graphic behind it, whilst retaining the Wiki graphic below. {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 00:21, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Much better. Although, for future reference, the FF logo font is Runic MT Condensed, so it's easier to download and use that instead of editing a logo. -- {{User:Some Color Mage/sig}} 00:26, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks for the feedback, I'll remember to do that in the future. {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 00:36, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
<div style="float:right;background:linear-gradient(yellow,#AAAAFF)">http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz212/JBedford128/extlogo_zpsfcddde9c.png</div>
[http://i829.photobucket.com/albums/zz212/JBedford128/logo_zpsca1bfc9c.png Liek dis?] The font is different for "Wiki", but I don't have that font, and it also doesn't have full transparency on the monobook logo so i couldn't get it from there. [[Special:Contributions/2.102.230.26|2.102.230.26]] 15:16, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
:Looks great. :)[[User:Keltainentoukokuu|Keltainentoukokuu]] ([[User talk:Keltainentoukokuu|talk]]) 16:10, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
I think our colours now are good. White is like the default background colour so most people are used to it. I browse with dim monitor brightness too. I liked the chocobo logo better.[[User:Keltainentoukokuu|Keltainentoukokuu]] ([[User talk:Keltainentoukokuu|talk]]) 23:40, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
::Well I've read some arguments there, regarding how "White" is fitting for Final Fantasy. But let's not get out of the point here please, the plan is to change to colour not for mere aesthetics (even though yes I believe this white is rather plain imo), but because it can sometimes be rather annoying to have such a bright colour like white for the eyes to glance. I mean some people may be adjusted, some not so much, and I honestly have a couple of issues few times (and I use glasses as well), and some may have some issues too. That's the point of that.

::Now I've read some arguments regarding the why white should stay, because it "fits" the Final Fantasy theme. Well those are mostly aesthetics and is not the main point, but I'll address an equally interesting choice imo, which is blue. Why blue? Well because the Crystals like the ones we have in our current background are blue. Crystals are THE symbol of the series and are depicted blue. So by this point alone we can have 2 major positive effects by a colour change 1) Blue is better than plain white for eyes-sake 2) It harmonizes with the Final Fantasy theme, which is one argument to keep white. Result? We kill two birds with a single stone. Wouldn't you say?

::Now I've also read some argument regarding "if it is hard for you then adjust your monitor", but that is not really a definitive answer. Sure it may be impossible to help all the eyes in the world, but let's not throw these kind of arguments please, because it sounds bluntly indifferent and uncaring and that is not really a wise or otherwise desirable behaviour expected from a large and still growing community. 

::Well I'll this for now, glad I could address this and that it got some attention. Ok see ya for now. --[[User:BGMaxie|BGMaxie]] ([[User talk:BGMaxie|talk]]) 06:04, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, JBed, I've been thinking, is it possible for the wiki to add some buttons to change font size? The matter might not be colours (because, seriously, this is the only time, ever, that I've heard someone having a problem reading black on white, if it were such a problem, then why would a large amount of major websites, that have been professionally designed, still use it?) but that some people are finding the default font size a bit hard to read. -- {{User:Some Color Mage/sig}} 12:21, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

[http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/23965/is-there-a-problem-with-using-black-text-on-white-backgrounds Apparently it is a thing]. While I am against switching from white (Drake, you see why the white outlines on your transparent images matter yet?), I wouldn't mind switching to a dark-grey text colour. Which is actually Wikia's default, we just make it black because we hate change.

And yes, I could do a font-size increase thing. But isn't that pretty much what browser zoom features are for? If we increase just the font-size we'll just end up screwing up all the tables when people decide to increase the font. Let them do it locally. I know Firefox remembers by site (sub-domain even, irc.wikia.com's zoom "browser-cookie" is a separate from finalfantasy.wikia.com's). [[Special:Contributions/89.243.247.247|89.243.247.247]] 12:28, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
:(Edit conflict) Well, I guess we could use an off-white colour such as <span style="background:#F6F6F6;">#F6F6F6</span>. I'm not keen on anything other than a white background though, for the reason that I've already stated above.
:Also, I don't think that adding font size buttons would be necessary. If one wanted to change the font size, they would do so on their web browser. {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 12:35, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

::Erm can I ask how can I actually see that colour "#F6F6F6" in use? Also what do you think of my own colour suggestion? Would like to know to see what kind of colour changes (if any) we can shuffle. --[[User:BGMaxie|BGMaxie]] ([[User talk:BGMaxie|talk]]) 15:07, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
:::What skin are you using? I guess Oasis. I'll write some JS that you can use to do tests. [[User:JBed|JBed]] ([[User talk:JBed|talk]]) 15:09, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
:::Right, if you want to play around with colours, copy and paste the following into [[Special:Mypage/wikia.js|User:{{USERNAME|[username]}}/wikia.js]]:
<pre>
if(wgPageName=="Final_Fantasy_Wiki:Sandsea"){colorMe();}
function colorMe()
{
  var toc = document.getElementById("toc");
  var bgCE = document.getElementById("WikiaPageBackground");
  var textCE = document.getElementById("mw-content-text");
  var cBox = document.createElement("div");
      cBox.innerHTML = ''
      + '<input id="bgC" type="text" value="' + 'white' + '"> '
      + '<input id="textC" type="text" value="' + 'black' + '"> '
      + '<input id="cSubmit" type="submit" value="Set">';
  toc.parentNode.insertBefore(cBox, toc);
  document.getElementById("cSubmit").onclick = function(){
  document.getElementById("WikiaPageBackground").style.backgroundColor = document.getElementById("bgC").value;
  document.getElementById("mw-content-text").style.color = document.getElementById("textC").value;};
}
</pre>
:::Then go to the [[Project:Sandsea|Sandsea]] and you will have two textboxes you can input colours into. Link colours and other things that are effects separately obviously remain unchanged from these things. [[User:JBed|JBed]] ([[User talk:JBed|talk]]) 15:45, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

::::I did not get the last step '-' --[[User:BGMaxie|BGMaxie]] ([[User talk:BGMaxie|talk]]) 23:58, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
:::::You might need to Ctrl+F5 to get it working. If it doesn't then I'll think of something else. You should see something below the header of the linked page that gives you two textboxes. They will say "white" and "black", and you can put colours in there and then click "Set" which will change the colours of the article. [[User:JBed|JBed]] ([[User talk:JBed|talk]]) 00:02, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
::::::I see nothing of that, I use Chrome, did Ctrl+F5 and Shift+F5 and nothing '-' --[[User:BGMaxie|BGMaxie]] ([[User talk:BGMaxie|talk]]) 16:55, July 8, 2013 (UTC)