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{{MC|06:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|I am happy to see a decision. Before ILHI and I shout, "Take it to the MoS!" I would request that #4's "more often than not" be a phrase at least closer to "always." My opinion is that we need the rules to be as close to Boolean (all or nought) as possible.}}
 
{{MC|06:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|I am happy to see a decision. Before ILHI and I shout, "Take it to the MoS!" I would request that #4's "more often than not" be a phrase at least closer to "always." My opinion is that we need the rules to be as close to Boolean (all or nought) as possible.}}
{{ILHI|14:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|Misters and Missuses should be the only exception IMO. And even then, I'm only saying that because [[Mr. Monkey]] MUST keep his pagename (Unless the wiki decides to use my favourite ext.abbv. policy) because his surname isn't actually Monkey. Actually, in the case of everyone else without a first name, just their surname is fine.<br><br>I still vote for the removal of Judge and Judgemasters. The Judges are called by their surname in boss battles I believe, which means it's fine for the developers to call them that. In the case of Gabranth....... Wait a second? Why is he called Gabranth? Surely he should be Judge Rosenburg or whatever? I know, that would be SPOILERISH as they try to hide the relation, but seriously? Is the Judge naming policy their surname? Anyway, in the case of Gabranth, he should be called "Gabranth", just like Golbez isn't called "Theodor Harvey".<br><br>Anyway, requesting "Edea Kramer" move to "Edea" and requesting "Raine Loire" move to "Raine". These names are the most spoilerish on the wiki. And I'm sure there are probably a few other cases where there are spoilerish redirects where two different people are actually the same person. I vaguely remember something somewhere in the Tactics series.}}
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{{User:ILHI/T|14:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|Misters and Missuses should be the only exception IMO. And even then, I'm only saying that because [[Mr. Monkey]] MUST keep his pagename (Unless the wiki decides to use my favourite ext.abbv. policy) because his surname isn't actually Monkey. Actually, in the case of everyone else without a first name, just their surname is fine.<br><br>I still vote for the removal of Judge and Judgemasters. The Judges are called by their surname in boss battles I believe, which means it's fine for the developers to call them that. In the case of Gabranth....... Wait a second? Why is he called Gabranth? Surely he should be Judge Rosenburg or whatever? I know, that would be SPOILERISH as they try to hide the relation, but seriously? Is the Judge naming policy their surname? Anyway, in the case of Gabranth, he should be called "Gabranth", just like Golbez isn't called "Theodor Harvey".<br><br>Anyway, requesting "Edea Kramer" move to "Edea" and requesting "Raine Loire" move to "Raine". These names are the most spoilerish on the wiki. And I'm sure there are probably a few other cases where there are spoilerish redirects where two different people are actually the same person. I vaguely remember something somewhere in the Tactics series.}}
 
{{PM|text=...This may be a bit crazy, but how about...
 
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Back on the titling issue and Rule #4: When some titles are used to indicate an honorable position, superiors, inferiors, and enemies may choose if they wish to sue the title or not. Brahne does not bother calling her most famous knight "''General'' Beatrix", but lower soldiers do, and the protagonists somewhat on and off.}}
 
Back on the titling issue and Rule #4: When some titles are used to indicate an honorable position, superiors, inferiors, and enemies may choose if they wish to sue the title or not. Brahne does not bother calling her most famous knight "''General'' Beatrix", but lower soldiers do, and the protagonists somewhat on and off.}}
{{ILHI|18:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|I'm saying we wouldn't move Gabranth to Noah because we haven't moved Golbez to Theodor.<br><br>I'm still in support of dropping all titles.<br><br>And what do you mean by Garnet? Why does removing the surnames from Loire and Kramer from them two means Garnet gets to keep her title?}}
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{{User:ILHI/T|18:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|I'm saying we wouldn't move Gabranth to Noah because we haven't moved Golbez to Theodor.<br><br>I'm still in support of dropping all titles.<br><br>And what do you mean by Garnet? Why does removing the surnames from Loire and Kramer from them two means Garnet gets to keep her title?}}
 
{{Drake|time=19:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|text=I would be in favor of removing the titles as well. For the Judge issue, remove the title, as I recall in XII Gabranth is usually called just "Gabranth". But if we have last names, they should be kept, like Edea and Raine. Gabranth and Golbez are different because they are most often referred to by their aliases, in-game that is.}}
 
{{Drake|time=19:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|text=I would be in favor of removing the titles as well. For the Judge issue, remove the title, as I recall in XII Gabranth is usually called just "Gabranth". But if we have last names, they should be kept, like Edea and Raine. Gabranth and Golbez are different because they are most often referred to by their aliases, in-game that is.}}
 
{{MC|19:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|I agree as well with the removal of all titles, but with the keeping of all surnames and "actual" names. I think Golbez should be under Theodore Harvey.}}
 
{{MC|19:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)|I agree as well with the removal of all titles, but with the keeping of all surnames and "actual" names. I think Golbez should be under Theodore Harvey.}}
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And let us remember something important. Even if users constantly move the articles according to personal whim, its not gonna change anything. If Garnet goes from Princess to Queen to nothing, it won't matter. The quality of articles is determined not by which specific thing its called, but by the content. Garnet could turn into "Dagger (Final Fantasy IX)" and still, the article would remain unchanged in quality.}}
 
And let us remember something important. Even if users constantly move the articles according to personal whim, its not gonna change anything. If Garnet goes from Princess to Queen to nothing, it won't matter. The quality of articles is determined not by which specific thing its called, but by the content. Garnet could turn into "Dagger (Final Fantasy IX)" and still, the article would remain unchanged in quality.}}
{{ILHI|17:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)|"''The quality of articles is determined not by which specific thing it's called, but by the content''"<br><br>Exactly. That one line kinda makes your entire argument above redundant. Cecil Harvey shouldn't become "Lord Captain Cecil Harvey" nor should "General Leo Christophe" become "Leo Christophe", but then you say it doesn't actually matter.<br><br>A naming policy saying "no titles" will stop ALL discussions over what pagename a character should use and stop all headaches. The only arguments would be guys like EdGe, Golbez, Gabranth and Balthier.}}
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{{User:ILHI/T|17:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)|"''The quality of articles is determined not by which specific thing it's called, but by the content''"<br><br>Exactly. That one line kinda makes your entire argument above redundant. Cecil Harvey shouldn't become "Lord Captain Cecil Harvey" nor should "General Leo Christophe" become "Leo Christophe", but then you say it doesn't actually matter.<br><br>A naming policy saying "no titles" will stop ALL discussions over what pagename a character should use and stop all headaches. The only arguments would be guys like EdGe, Golbez, Gabranth and Balthier.}}
 
{{8bit|time=04:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)|text= I'm kind of leaning towards ILHI's view. We need exceptions in some cases as BlueH pointed out, like with [[Judgemaster Cid]]. Still, though, there are some characters that just don't seem right without a title. And Tactics characters need to stay with their position.}}
 
{{8bit|time=04:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)|text= I'm kind of leaning towards ILHI's view. We need exceptions in some cases as BlueH pointed out, like with [[Judgemaster Cid]]. Still, though, there are some characters that just don't seem right without a title. And Tactics characters need to stay with their position.}}
{{ILHI|13:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)|No they don't. None of them do. Their title is mentioned in their article, all links are unaffected (<nowiki>[[Cid Randell|Judgemaster Cid]]</nowiki>). Their full title will still redirect to their article. Their is no problem. Titles in texts won't change, titles in their pagenames will.}}
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{{User:ILHI/T|13:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)|No they don't. None of them do. Their title is mentioned in their article, all links are unaffected (<nowiki>[[Cid Randell|Judgemaster Cid]]</nowiki>). Their full title will still redirect to their article. Their is no problem. Titles in texts won't change, titles in their pagenames will.}}
 
{{BlueLionheart|time=18:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)|text=This is the dumbest topic I think we've had since forum changes were blocked from the RC. Who ''cares'' about this kind of thing, anyway?
 
{{BlueLionheart|time=18:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)|text=This is the dumbest topic I think we've had since forum changes were blocked from the RC. Who ''cares'' about this kind of thing, anyway?
   
 
Anyways, the only people who should have titles in their page names are Judges, monarchs, and people like General Beatrix, who I don't believe have first names to put. The others, like Cecil, for example, who have military titles, should have them put in the little table thingy that's on their page.}}
 
Anyways, the only people who should have titles in their page names are Judges, monarchs, and people like General Beatrix, who I don't believe have first names to put. The others, like Cecil, for example, who have military titles, should have them put in the little table thingy that's on their page.}}
{{ILHI|17:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)|No you're the dumbest conversation. Why is it dumb? Oh please tell me, why? It's a discussion that has sprung up loads of times that has never been answered. It will also result in changing loads of articles. It's important.}}
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{{User:ILHI/T|17:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)|No you're the dumbest conversation. Why is it dumb? Oh please tell me, why? It's a discussion that has sprung up loads of times that has never been answered. It will also result in changing loads of articles. It's important.}}
 
{{8bit|time=02:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)|text= Oh, right. I forgot about Randell. Guess "Judgemaster" wouldn't be needed anyways. I like the idea that full titles will redirect to the shortened page, and the character's full title will be said and emboldened in the introduction. We should just cull all titles unless it is absolutely necessary for identifaction, or it helps in avoiding tags. I don't see the problem with Sarah (Final Fantasy), since the only other Sarah is the real name of Garnet. Let's have Princess Sarah for the FFI character, Princess Sara for the FFIII character, and Sarah be a disambiguation page to the I and IX characters.
 
{{8bit|time=02:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)|text= Oh, right. I forgot about Randell. Guess "Judgemaster" wouldn't be needed anyways. I like the idea that full titles will redirect to the shortened page, and the character's full title will be said and emboldened in the introduction. We should just cull all titles unless it is absolutely necessary for identifaction, or it helps in avoiding tags. I don't see the problem with Sarah (Final Fantasy), since the only other Sarah is the real name of Garnet. Let's have Princess Sarah for the FFI character, Princess Sara for the FFIII character, and Sarah be a disambiguation page to the I and IX characters.
   

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Misters and Missuses should be the only exception IMO. And even then, I'm only saying that because Mr. Monkey MUST keep his pagename (Unless the wiki decides to use my favourite ext.abbv. policy) because his surname isn't actually Monkey. Actually, in the case of everyone else without a first name, just their surname is fine.

I still vote for the removal of Judge and Judgemasters. The Judges are called by their surname in boss battles I believe, which means it's fine for the developers to call them that. In the case of Gabranth....... Wait a second? Why is he called Gabranth? Surely he should be Judge Rosenburg or whatever? I know, that would be SPOILERISH as they try to hide the relation, but seriously? Is the Judge naming policy their surname? Anyway, in the case of Gabranth, he should be called "Gabranth", just like Golbez isn't called "Theodor Harvey".

Anyway, requesting "Edea Kramer" move to "Edea" and requesting "Raine Loire" move to "Raine". These names are the most spoilerish on the wiki. And I'm sure there are probably a few other cases where there are spoilerish redirects where two different people are actually the same person. I vaguely remember something somewhere in the Tactics series.  ILHI 14:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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I'm saying we wouldn't move Gabranth to Noah because we haven't moved Golbez to Theodor.

I'm still in support of dropping all titles.

And what do you mean by Garnet? Why does removing the surnames from Loire and Kramer from them two means Garnet gets to keep her title?  ILHI 18:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

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"The quality of articles is determined not by which specific thing it's called, but by the content"

Exactly. That one line kinda makes your entire argument above redundant. Cecil Harvey shouldn't become "Lord Captain Cecil Harvey" nor should "General Leo Christophe" become "Leo Christophe", but then you say it doesn't actually matter.

A naming policy saying "no titles" will stop ALL discussions over what pagename a character should use and stop all headaches. The only arguments would be guys like EdGe, Golbez, Gabranth and Balthier.  ILHI 17:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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No they don't. None of them do. Their title is mentioned in their article, all links are unaffected ([[Cid Randell|Judgemaster Cid]]). Their full title will still redirect to their article. Their is no problem. Titles in texts won't change, titles in their pagenames will.  ILHI 13:21, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

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No you're the dumbest conversation. Why is it dumb? Oh please tell me, why? It's a discussion that has sprung up loads of times that has never been answered. It will also result in changing loads of articles. It's important.  ILHI 17:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

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I hate missing out on a big one. So what we are essentially doing is, tagging certain characters with their official titles from the game, but not actually in the article name, but not doing so with others? Am I correct in this statement? If not feel free to correct me in a dignified and intelligent manner, i have not been keeping tabs with this thread and wikia politics and policies are harder for me to comprehend then sanskrit and humanity in general, so before I start doing anything, I would like to know whats acceptable so I can avoid getting my head bit off. Oh, and can anyone confirm 8bit's Gabranth thing? Or was it just from the ultimania? I had wondered where that name came from...Exdeath64 08:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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10-4 taicho. Exdeath64 01:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

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