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Obviously, this section is redundant if we decide not to have any new staff, but it doesn't hurt to keep ahead of the game, just in case this proposal actually goes through.


  • Drake Clawfang - With all of his edits, he is one of, if not, the best contributor here on the Wiki. Drake has been here for a long time, has stayed consistently active the whole time, and more or less, spends most of his life on this site. One may say his attitude isn't fitting for this position of power, but if that truly mattered, TA would have lost his rights a long time ago. With power may come temperament and restraint. If any person here is deserving of the tools to protect and preside over the wiki, Drake certainly is the one. Θάνατος 19:16, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  1. While I am aware he does not feel himself suitable for the position, I'm confident he'd do a good job.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 19:24, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  2. I'm on board with this. Drake, if you're reading this, you do the work to deserve the promotion. I know you well enough as a person to also know this wouldn't go to your head or cause any more conflict than you deal with now. Heck, look at how you handle people like Dazuro. You'll do fine. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 02:56, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
  3. He's endlessly unsatisfied with the way things are. Let him be happy and run the asylum. --BlueHighwind 00:12, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  4. I think you'd know when to use your powers responsibly and rationally, and if not, I always have the WikiTrout. Jimcloud 04:58, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  5. I have confidence that he'll be able to overcome any previous issues he thought he might have by taking the post, and do a wonderful job. In my humble opinion, he is the only nominee who deserves the post. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:59, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  6. We believe in you Drake.Keltainentoukokuu 05:04, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Drake isn't perfect, but heck no one is. I feel Drake will do a fine job. Razordash05:05, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Agreed. MystRay 10:36, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  9. We know you don't think you're up to it, but I think you've more than earned a trial run. What's the worst that can happen? You do a load of damage, which we can revert? Not a problem, and of course, it's unlikely to ever happen anyway. It's not like you'd be stuck with it, either: if you get promoted, and find you can't handle it, you can always just ask Diablo to demote you again. Overall, I agree with those above me: we believe in you -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 15:53, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  10. He's the only editor on the Wiki who actually deserves this position IMO. --Leon95 22:18, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  11. IMHO Drake is the Hardest worker and most valuable contributor to the Wiki --BiggsandWedge 10:11, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Drake is probably the wiki's most valuable asset. He is focusesd, make a shit load of edits, and the state of the wiki is his #1 priority, not his enjoyment. Kupohunter FFV gilgamesh 12:56, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Drake is an active member of the wiki and I believe he would be an asset to the wiki if he were promoted Wyvern777 13:29, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Drake has certainly gained enough EXP to level up... As the comments above have already said, Drake really deserves this, and he would be an even greater asset to this wiki as a sysop. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 06:37, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Let's face it: Drake practically lives on the wiki, and he does a lot of more than just valuable work. True, his temper can sometimes make him seem like a jerk, but hey, he deserves this chance if you ask me, because even if he does not believe in himself, we do believe in him. MirrorshardSceada 11:29, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Drakes always around to help, and I think he should have the position. I know there have been comments about him not being "suitable" due to his tempramanet etc, but I don't see a problem with having an admin that thinks differently as long as it doesn't cause the admins to argue all the time. However, some new ideas and ways of doing things should be encouraged, not crushed. I think he'll make a great admin, if he's willing to accept the postion.Bond em7 14:43, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • Lycentia - After 6 years, deserves consideration. Doesn't mean she should be one, just deserves the consideration XD ——Preceding unsigned comment was added by Lycentia (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~.
  1. Lycentia has been here longer than I have, and I believe she'd make a darn good admin. Diablocon 10:22, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
  2. I dunno who nominated her, but I support it, seriously. BLUER一番 12:54, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

  • Sorceror Nobody - For coding ability and ability to manage mountains of users as his l'Cie, as well as being consistently around and owning his own wiki for experience. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 21:09, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  1. SN certainly carries a lot of Social Clout around here --BiggsandWedge 10:11, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  2. He's a natural leader.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 12:00, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Sorcerer Nobody would be a great help to this wiki were he promoted due to his high availability and activeness on this wiki Wyvern777 13:35, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Just adding my explicit support. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 16:40, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  5. What everybody said above me. MystRay 11:19, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Indeed, a worthy choice. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 06:37, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Absolutely. I think a lot of the work done around here is by people that stayed on the wiki due to his user-space activities. Not all admins have to be making hundreds of main-space edits everyday. We also need good user-space activities to grow the community and keep good editors here, instead of going to other wikis that have the user-activities we don't. Include his helpfulness in coding and new users, and you have a winner. Bond em7 14:43, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • Bluestarultor - For coding ability, consistently being around, and showing initiative such as with running the new IRC bot to replace the old one and taking place in conversations about the wiki's future, be it game colors or forking. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 21:09, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
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  2. One of the best coders I can recall, including ILHI/JBed and SN. Also reliable, around frequently, and responsible. Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:31, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  3. We could do with a coding-competent sysop who actually uses Oasis. Also, what Drake said -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 23:46, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Can't say it better than Drake and SN did --BiggsandWedge 10:11, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  5. He is one of our best coders and as other people have said, we could use one. MystRay 11:19, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
  6. The other votes say it all. I believe that it would be most beneficial to the wiki to have Bluesey as a sysop, and he is certainly deserving of the position. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 06:37, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
  7. From a coding viewpoint, it would definitely be a bad thing not to have Bluesey in that position, so much is clear. I must say though that I am a bit worried what with him moving out on his own, and his possibly reduced online time due to that, but still, my point stands. He would be an invaluable asset to the wiki, of this I am certain. MirrorshardSceada 11:29, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Again, his coding ability is top notch, and we need someone with that expertise on the admin team...and though we already have some great coders on the admin team, the more the better since the wiki (literally) runs on code. He's also helpful, and always willing to gibe you advice, or a better way to make your ideas work. I think he would be a great addition to the team. Bond em7 14:43, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
  • Xenomic — A tireless worker, active across images, policy and articles. Even when he takes his breaks, he's more active than 80% of the people on the wiki. — YuanSalutActa 12:38, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
  1. Yuan made a nomination. I feel that this means they probably deserve the support. Θάνατος 12:47, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Well, given that Xeno's not dead so much as lurking, I see no reason not to add my support here. The important thing is being on reliably. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 15:18, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:21, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
  4.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 16:23, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Not exactly thrilled at the prospect of another admin who takes frequent breaks, but... I trust Yuan's judgment -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 13:53, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
  6. As long as he's around, he has my support. I know he does frequently luck instead of actively contribute, however that's not a bad thing. I would rather have a lurking admin, than a non-active one. Bond em7 14:43, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Indeed, Xeno is an excellent choice for the position admin. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 15:08, April 25, 2011 (UTC)


  • Jimcloud – A diligent editor, whose Recent Changes stalking patrolling means that she catches and reverts quite a few things swiftly, and her own edits are generally excellent. When she starts editing something, you can usually count on it being finished, and to a good standard. Another good point is that, while it's not strictly required, Jim's friendly disposition can only be an advantage. Also noteworthy is the fact that she is reliably online almost every day (unlike some of our existing staff). Furthermore, despite my infamous distaste for the mumorpugers, I note that TA is hardly doing much in his capacity as the resident XI "specialist", whereas Jimcloud has made some serious contributions... I mean, have you seen the edit history of the List of Final Fantasy XI Enemy Abilities!? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 14:52, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  1. I agree and second JC. She's hardworking and does a lot around here, as well as helping those who ask her, or at least sending them to someone who can help. She knows the MoS well enough to create articles that look good and are worded correctly, and knows the wiki well enough the she's been the one to nominate the last 2 months featured articles. Overall I think she would be an awesome choice if she is willing to do so and add the extra work onto her already busy life (what with school and such). Bond em7 15:05, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  2. ^ User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 17:28, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Jim for president!Keltainentoukokuu 18:23, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Though my opinion may carry little weight, it appears reasonable to say that with such an inactive staff list, the addition of an insatiable workaholic of Jimcloud's calibre would be an excellent addition to our current selection of Moderators. The Man In The Black Cape 20:25, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Exxcellennnt. wikisig-2.png
  6. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3 21:33, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  7. we've got lots more to do on FFXI pages! XD--Spira 06:29, April 2, 2011 (UTC)'
  8. I was already going to vote for you, and then I saw that even Yuan is rallying behind you. You got some good supporters, and I think you'll make a great mod. A.J. two (Smashboards) 17:29, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I said I would. --Xepscern 20:52, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  10. I vote for you now, and I'll vote for your adminship next time we do this in a year or so. Θάνατος 21:27, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Jim does good work. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 21:39, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Let's face it: Jimmy is always there. You create a new article? Jimmy is already there to fix mistakes. You upload an image? Jimmy is already there to put the category for it should you've forgotten it. You sneeze? Jimmy is already there with an handker- err, you get what I was saying. Seriously, Jimmy is always here, and does a lot of good work. Plus, she is always helpful when one asks her for something, so really, what reason could be there to be against her? MirrorshardSceada 21:46, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Without a doubt. --DTN 06:54, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  14. omyvoteisforjimmehoros>> -Azul81677 20:34, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  15. All that I could write has been written above. Indeed, JC is a worthy choice. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 23:55, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Kuja FFIX says it perfectly. MystRay 06:01, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
  17. -Henryacores^ 18:46, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
  18. SquallRocks 03:34, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  19. Absolutely no question, Jim is no doubt in my mind "the" best of the bunch that are available to make moderator. Razordash04:01, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Jimmy is a diligent recent changes watcher and is ALWAYS around. She is also arguably the most popular user around here --BiggsandWedge 10:16, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Jimmeh is awesome. She HAS to be on the internet everyday because she attends an online school. I BUH-LIEVE! Kupohunter FFV gilgamesh 13:00, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

  • Deadlyslashsword - Though master keeps me locked up in the basement under lock and key every day besides this, he is a loving and benevolent master. He is kind to all wikians, but those who do cross his path wrongly shall feel the taste of the cold steel of his fell Judgement Sword. This sort of strict sense of justice is what I feel this wiki needs exactly, with our staff dropping like flies left and right and vandals running rampant. I have seen from firsthand experience, DSS frequents the wiki for hours a day and stalks the recent changes like a Chris Matthews stalks sexual predators. He has nearly three years and 10,000 edits to his name *(with an excellent mainspace edit percentage, I might add.), so he knows extremely well the way we work, and fixes that which is not to our standard. In my humble opinion, his hard work over the years (often in subjects unpopular or not well known), should be reason enough to give him serious consideration. - +HeavenlySlashSword+ 15:10, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  1. ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3 21:33, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  2. DSS is a great editor; if he's not elected, you guys would be missing out. maggosh 04:04, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  3. You can't go wrong with DSS, because he'll kill you if you do. But in all serious, it's a wonder he isn't one already. AJtwosig 17:29, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  4.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 19:50, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  5. He has done a lot. He deserves my vote. --Xepscern 20:49, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  6. DSS does a lot of work. And he does it good, nah, excellent. He is competent, hardworking... - He'd certainly make a good mod. MirrorshardSceada 21:46, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  7. I've known DSS longer and he's a fanfic writer like me.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2 05:08, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  8. --DTN 06:54, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  9. The Moderator badge is hardly a position of authority or such. It is mostly an way to say "You've done a lot of damn work here and we need to recognize that." Under these parameters, I believe you are fully deserving of this award. Θάνατος 18:51, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  10. He has the aloof personality down.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 19:26, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  11. LegoAlchemist 21:33, April 3, 2011 (PST)
  12. Oavatos says it perfectly. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 23:55, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  13. One of the longer-standing editors, and well-versed in the ways of the wiki. I have no hesitation in supporting a guy who is... something of a veteran, I guess :P -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:32, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

  • Keltainentoukokuu - Always around, always helpful and friendly, has done a lot of excellent work on articles. She's usually so thorough and comprehensive it seems inadequate to call what she does "gnoaming" - grammar and spelling, linking, general structure, etc. DoreikuKuroofangu 15:15, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  1. User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 17:29, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  2. She often edits the tactics articles that I work on, has come behind me to make the info I put in sound right and look good. I see her edit often, and her edits always have good quality. Bond em7 03:31, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Why do I get the feeling I'm just voting for everyone? A.J. two (Smashboards) 17:29, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Probably our best editor who isn't already a staff member. --Leon95 20:00, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  5. I've mentioned it many times on the IRC. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 21:39, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Kelt does a lot of work and often manages to get hold of information the likes of me could never even dream of obtaining, thus making her contributions extremely valuable. Also, she likes to take a look behind the facade of the games and question certain events, and it is always fun to debate with her. All in all, I would deem her more than suitable to be a moderator, so why deny her the honor? MirrorshardSceada 21:46, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
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  8. --DTN 06:54, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  9. See: My reason for voting for DSS. Θάνατος 18:51, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Kelt consistently performs excellent work with linking and wording pages and such. She does an awesome job at it too, and to think she's only done the VIII articles for the most part and still managed 10,000 edits is kind of scary. If she doesn't want to be a mod, then that's her loss, but if she does, I wholeheartedly support her. Jimcloud 03:36, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
  11. If she doesn't want to be a mod, then I accept her choice. But if she would consider it, then I would most certainly support her. Afterall, she is one of the wiki's best contributors. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 23:55, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  12. I'd like to remind everyone present that edit counts don't matter a shit at all. -Henryacores^ 18:58, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Kelt does some great behind-the-scenes work. Perhaps less visible than other editors at times, but when you do see her, it's always a good thing -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 16:05, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  14. --BiggsandWedge 10:16, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
  15. I think everything's been said that needs to be. MystRay 11:23, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

  • Leon95 - Ah, I don't really like nominating myself, but whatever. I've done a lot in the six months I've been here. 10,000 edits, most of which are in the mainspace, one Walkthrough written, lots of vandalism reverted and literally thousands of links to redirects and disambigs fixed. I'm on this site every day for most of the day. Anytime I'm not here, I'm either at school or sleeping*(The latter is a rare occasion due to frequent insomnia. Not so helpful IRL, but very helpful for a wiki editor ^_-). While I'm not the most talkative user on-site, I'm usually friendly when I do talk and am always willing to help other editors who come to me with questions. And lastly, I have experience as staff on other wikis, so I already know how to use the tools I'll be given if promoted. So... yeah. Consider me and stuff. --Leon95 16:41, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
  1. I think he said it mostly himself, but I do want to add that I often check the recent changes page, and I see a LOT of edits on the mainspace by him. I didn't know he was staff on other wiki's, but that shows he knows the position and what it entails, and is willing to do it. Bond em7 03:31, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Voted twice. but definitely think you deserve it with the work you do. I once half thought u were a bot with the amount of edits u were putting out :p --Spira 06:29, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  3. You know your stuff, and the wiki needs people who know their stuff. AJtwosig 17:29, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Leon is in a lot of aspects just like Jimmy: He is always there and delivers tons of good work, plus he is helpful. Only difference is, that Jimmy's apparently more beloved but then again, it's competence that counts here, right? And that he has got plentifull. MirrorshardSceada 21:46, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Leon does a good job gnoming, cleaning up links to redirects, all that good stuff. Jimcloud 03:34, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Leon reminds me a lot of Xenomic. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:46, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Leon is a great editor, and his dedication is truly impressive. Indeed, I have voted for all of the nominees, but that is because I feel that they are all ideal for the honour. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 23:55, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Epic gnoming is epic, and he's a dab hand at coding, too -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 16:05, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I think everything has been said that needs to be. MystRay 11:23, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • SilverCrono Crono has been around as long as I can remember, he has plenty of experience from the Crono Wiki. He is well known and well liked and often around (when his computer doesn't have annoying viruses. --BiggsandWedge 08:03, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
  1. --BiggsandWedge 08:03, April 22, 2011 (UTC)


I'm not voting, as I'm wary of this becoming a popularity contest, but I think that aside from Open Orifice, all of these people would make suitable mods. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:59, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Likewise. My nomination counting as a vote notwithstanding, I'm going to refrain from voting until later. Especially as I can forsee a limit on how many one can vote for being imposed at some point... -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 12:33, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

This is a bit awkward, because I don't really want to be a mod. Not that I think I'm winning, but how do we know if Jim wants to be a mod either? Though of course, not that you have to take it even if it's being offered.Keltainentoukokuu 18:11, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Jimcloud is aware that she has been nominated, and as far as I know has shown no aversion to it. I'd be interested to know why you would actively not want to be a mod, but it's fair enough... and of course you are correct that nobody will force you to be one. As for whether or not anyone is "winning", it's possible that more than one nominee will be promoted. That seems to be the case historically -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 18:41, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
Also, in some cases, the person with the most votes doesn't even earn it. Θάνατος 18:46, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

It's put people on the spot and they may be too embarrassed to say no since they already got votes. Is this really the best way? I'm all for making Jim a staff member, but only if she actually wants to, not because everyone else wants her to. I don't want to be a mod because I don't want any responsibility or obligation to act professional.Keltainentoukokuu 19:59, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

"I don't want any responsibility or obligation to act professional." - Trust me, there's none. :) DoreikuKuroofangu 20:01, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
I do actually want to be a mod, I just haven't commented on here. Sorry if that left the wrong impression. Jimcloud 20:02, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

This isn't actually a vote; just a show of support. If you don't want to be a mod, just contact Diablocon, and he won't promote you. There's no obligation to accept. — YuanSalutActa 02:24, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I have removed my nomination for Admin because at this point I've realized just how poor an Admin I really would be. Recent and continued instances of edit warring and arguments have shown me that my opinions and desires for the Wiki go against the majority, and often in debates anymore I find myself in the minority. The duty of an Admin is to uphold, enforce and safeguard the interests of the Wiki and its community, and clearly my interests conflict with the interests of the community at large. With my personal opinions going against the rest of the Wiki more often than not, and it conflicting with the expansion and growth of its content, I would be an absolute terrible Admin. And frankly in my opinion, it doesn't make me a very good Moderator either. Re-nominate me if you wish, but know that I will not be accepting the position if for some reason people vote for me in large enough numbers to make promotion a possibility. I've come to realize me being made Admin would only heighten my own bloated sense of importance and increase my bias, and ultimately would be a poor decision for the site's sake. DoreikuKuroofangu 01:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

However as a moderator you do make a good devil's advocate though. It is not necessarily a bad thing to have an opposing opinion, in fact it ensures things are fresh. Don't sell yourself short. Netherith 01:37, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well this is embarrassing, the only nominee I recognize is Deadlyslashsword. Makes me realise how long it's been since I last really came around. However, I trust people to pick out the best possible people for the job. Diablocon 17:12, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe not my place to say, but it feels like the wiki needs new active admins more than more moderators. The old admins seem very busy at the moment, and stuff like the DNC (yeah yeah I don't want to open a can of worms here) and featured image don't get updated every week.Keltainentoukokuu 00:30, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

We really do, however, none of the current Mods are promotable to solve the problem, IMO.

  • Drake, declined the post as he feels he is not suitable
  • Henry, takes breaks often and is not on much more than our current admins
  • Jeppo, takes breaks often and is not on much more than our current admins
  • Azul, not on much at all
  • Lycentia, not on much at all, only came back recently for some Dissidia-related stuffs
  • Netherith, not on that much
  • Scathe, not on that much
  • Xenomic, takes breaks often and is not on much more than our current admins.

In short, none of our current moderators are up for the position, and people haven't been promoted from regular user to admin right away in any instance that I know of. Thus the moderator promotion, for when this issue comes up again. I do, however, feel that we need an admin for vandal busting, deletion (the Category:Articles for Deletion has a ton of images up), and changing regular things. On the subject of updating the DNC, though, I dare you to try and get that from TA. Really. It's not happening. Jimcloud 00:41, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, trying to take over the DNC is a good way to get yelled at. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:45, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
This, I think, highlights some of the issues with the current system. There are lots of users who are on a lot, but don't do much editing. SN, for instance, has half the mainspace edits as he does userspace edits, but he's on all the time and is a very reliable guy. I know for my part that I tend to lurk a lot due to not really having sources to put up info and I'm sure there are many others in the same boat. A meritocratic system works up to a point, but in some cases the candle that burns twice as bright only burns half as long, as evidenced by all the mods listed there who aren't really active anymore.
Personally, I think SN would be a great candidate for a staff position by his personal merits, but his edit count is a barrier to that. He's easily one of the best wiki coders regularly around and a responsible guy and technically would be a great candidate if his numbers were just higher. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 01:16, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Agree 100%. Because wanting to add content, and wanting to run the wiki, may not go hand in hand; they're two very different talents. Besides, doesn't SN have his own wiki, so he should already be familiar with how stuff works. I'm not saying let's immediately add him, but I think we should discuss about promoting people to run the wiki. Also, I really really think we should have at least one admin who would work with the new skin...because that still is the skin the world is gonna see. As for the DNC...yeah...ok...maybe it's been battled to death already, but...the DNC is a mainpage feature, not just some guy's little hobby, it makes the site look sloppy if it's often not updated for long stretches of time. I don't really use it, but sometimes I notice the same fight is up for a long time and hardly any new votes are given because everyone's already voted.Keltainentoukokuu 01:35, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Normally I'd take this as an opportunity to find some roundabout way of promoting myself for the position (which I'll do directly instead :P - I use Oasis exclusively, I'm always on, HTML, CSS, and Javascript were a large part of my education, and I developed the Mosinee City Web site for my internship for proof of ability and can provide a letter of recommendation from the City Clerk in PDF or image format if anyone would like), but at this point it comes with the warning that I'm probably moving out on my own in May and will probably be relying on school Internet if I can't afford the cost of whatever providers Green Bay has (which I've been looking into, but they have an odd roster). I'm not sure what my online time will look like (I won't be gone) or how much I'd be able to accomplish with it. So I guess you could say I'm hesitantly tooting my own horn. XD Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 01:56, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Back to JimCloud's point, we do need an active Admin for vandal activity and to get rid of the deleted pages. On that note I wouldn't mind doing either of those activities, so my question is do you have to be an admin to do them? Instead can some willing users (I would volunteer) or even some of the moderators, or newly promoted moderators be given the ability to do these tasks? If not, well it was a good idea. If so, maybe that's the answer. Also, I do think BlueStar and SN would be good mods, especially with their great coding skills, their always around, and willingness to help people on the wiki. Are the submission of names for new Mods closed? Bond em7 02:55, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty much, the forum's been open for over two weeks, and SN left Diablo a message about the activity slowing down here. The traits you listed for Bluesy and SN are indeed good traits, but there's much more than just those qualities that should be taken into consideration when promoting to staff. Also, yes, only admins can do those duties, however I don't believe any new admins will be promoted soon as we're getting along as is. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:04, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
The entire point of an admin is that they can delete articles and ban vandals. That's practically all there is to it, aside from protection settings and being able to edit protected pages. However, DSS, I must disagree with your idea that we're "getting along as is", as there are often times when a vandal is on the loose and there are no admins for me to call to stop it. It's happened to me.. 4 times in the last week, I believe. Also, I do hate to bring up over 900 things needing deleted, but if I have to, I will. Jimcloud 03:12, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
The wiki is not falling apart due to lack of admins as you seem to imply. The articles for deletion are not hurting anything by staying, and I've not noticed a terrible vandal problem. I've seen IPs that vandalize once and then leave, but nothing major at all. I can only imagine that the admins have been taking care of business in that department. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:18, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
There's a difference between there being a problem and the wiki falling apart. Is the Wiki falling apart? no. Is there a problem? Yes. Not so much with the articles needing deletion as the vandals. Leon, Drake, or myself are usually there to revert and test, but all we can do is test and hope they get bored and leave. Jimcloud 03:22, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I do too. I'm not saying we couldn't stand to use another admin, we could, but as I see it, the situation has not become so dire as to warrant a promotion yet, not to mention the seeming lack of candidates. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:26, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
While I do agree that there are not a lot of viable candidates for admin right now, I don't feel that admins should only be nominated when people go "OMGOSH VANDALS HAVE BEEN EATING US ALIVE HELP US SIR BCRAT". It seems too much of a reactionary measure to me. Does a vandal have to vandalize here for the 8 hours between when Yuan leaves for her night and Faethin gets on after his day before we vote to fix the issue? I really don't think it's a good idea to wait until a persistent vandal shows up to realize "oh hey we need an admin on more often", but hey, that's just my opinion, I suppose. Jimcloud 04:08, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Just tossing my hat on Jim's side. I've already seen embarrassing instances where we had to be like "well, WE'RE completely toothless, but you just wait until our admins show up in about five hours mister!" Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 04:16, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT COFLICT: If it's not broken, don't fix it. Precautionary measures are all well and good, but if we end up promoting someone who's not fit for the job when there's no guarantee that there's going to be a major vandal attack *(though I just jinxed it) or that they will continue to be active as well, then the whole effort seems to be a bit of an exercise in futility. But hey, take a chance and roll the dice. No risk no reward, eh? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:22, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
To answer Razor's removed question, the implication is, I think, more that they may not stay active for long, assuming they stay active at all, though the not able to be trusted thing was probably also implied. Like I said, I don't disagree that there aren't a lot of decent candidates among the mods to promote to admin (though more for the former reason I mentioned than the latter), but I do think that we ought to keep our bases well defended, so to speak. Anyone who's played a real time strategy game knows not to wait to start building troops to fight enemy invaders until they come knocking on your door. It's a similar idea I'm proposing. Jimcloud 04:29, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
I was referring to the list up top of current mods who could be promoted. I don't think that any of them are untrustworthy (how could you say that you thought I implied otherwise?), but as you mentioned, most of them are either not here most of the time, or in Drake's case, unwilling to take the post. As such, further discussion is pointless. Yes, it would be nice to have another admin, but seeing as how there's no one to promote... - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:37, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
For the sake of putting it on the record, I do still want to be Admin, it's simply that I have to be honest with myself, and you guys, that I don't feel I'm suited for the position. As it was pointed out by others on the IRC, there's a difference between what I want and what I feel. If the community really feels we need a new Admin I'll do it, AFAIC it's up to the community anyway, since they're the ones who would have to deal with me, for better or worse. Doreiku Kuroofangu 04:39, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT:Er... I'm sorry ._. In any case, yes, I agree, we don't have any options to promote, though if there was, I would support the act of promoting. As for you, Drake, I wouldn't mind seeing you as admin, so long as I could slap you with a WikiTrout if you were being particularly pigheaded. Jimcloud 04:44, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind Drake as admin either. He has his faults like the rest of us, but he would definitely be better than promoting no one. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:49, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

We are limiting ourselves with the idea that only people who are currently mods can be promoted to become an admin. This is a rule that doesn't exist. Apart from banning vandals and deleting pages, the manual of style and help pages could probably be updated. Stuff like keeping everything up to date. Jim, DSS, Bluestar and SN I think would all make good admins, if they were interested in doing this kind of work, even if none is a mod. And we have Drake who is already a mod. But Drake you gotta be more diplomatic in the face of conflict. I'll send you a little PuPu the alien stressball, alright. ;) You have already improved from what I can gather.Keltainentoukokuu 04:56, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

True, it's technically not a rule, but it's really an idea that is ingrained within the idea of the Wiki itself. For one thing, it seems somewhat unfair to the people who were made moderators before and are still just sitting in that position, and for another, I don't know if the current admins will go for it. That said, I wouldn't mind being an admin, in fact, me for admin, woo hoo! Jimcloud 05:06, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Unwritten rules are usually just as good as a written one. Promoting someone straight to admin is not a good idea in my opinion. usually the reason being for people must slowly work their way up. A Private doesn't become General in 1 week. Razordash05:10, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Thing is, modship is a status symbol with some handy powers, but at the moment all you need to do is gain a massive amount of edits and not start the wiki on fire. Adminship is more like work and has much more responsibility because you can do things others simply can't. It's the difference between Employee of the Month and a promotion. The EotM might be more likely to get it, but there's no reason that every promotion has to start with an EotM if there's a place for the person to become a worker with more responsibility. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 05:18, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: *pulls foot out of mouth* What I mean to say is modship is a reward for good work done on the wiki, but it's not necessarily an indicator of administrative ability, while some people who are great administrators are being passed up for adminship. SN is a prime example with his l'Cie. The man maintains info on a small army of editors and reserves the right to put them to work if they're not currently dedicated to anything. He'd be great for management duties. He just doesn't have the edit count to become a mod. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 05:26, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Userb enon This user believes that an edit count doesn't necessarily reflect on the value of their contributions.
>.> Did you know SN actually has more edits than TA? Do you really have to have a certain edit count to become a mod ._.? Koharu Nami 05:35, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
You don't, but it helps to have a large number. Having said, that, TA was promoted to admin a long time ago, when getting promoted wasn't based around edits necessarily. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:38, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

The issue at hand is the mindset that mainspace edit count is important, or at least mainspace contributions. However, as the community has grown it isn't the be-all end-all it once was. SN may not have many mainspace edits in comparison to his user and forum edits, but he is still a prominent member of the Wiki. His l'Cie thing, though it began as a joke, is proof of the influence and respect he commands. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:38, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

SUPER EDIT CONFLICT X2!!! Most of what I said has been answered already ._. Even so.... Still, almost half of TA's edits are mainspace, while SN's are not so much. I'd also like to point out that TA is not someone anyone should use as a shining example of adminship. TA was admin'd way back in the day when you didn't need much to become one. To answer your second question, no, you don't, but Modship is usually given out as a reward for doing something on the Wiki, or at least, that's what it's supposed to be. Jimcloud 05:42, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
I had no idea you guys respected me this much. I wouldn't turn down an offer of promotion, but do you really think I'm that good? .-. Also, the whole l'Cie thing has turned into one hell of a surprise for me.* I certainly couldn't have forseen it being brought up in a staff nomination forum as... well, a positive thing >_>
As for TA, his ec would be higher if he updated the DNC on ti-*shot*
Well, anyway, I'll be blunt. If you think that I possibly deserve it, why not just nominate me? This isn't a thinly-veiled request; as I've said many times, I don't see myself as especially deserving. It's a serious query as to why one of you hasn't simply nominated me by now, if you really think I'm a candidate. I mean, if I get support, I get support, and if I don't, I don't. That's the point, ne? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 15:44, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Well, mostly because DSS discouraged it by saying entries were pretty much closed. The question is what to put you under, really (and me, since I guess people like that idea, too ^///^). I mean the discussion is whether someone can skip straight to admin or not, and if not, how one would get there. That said, I'll add us both under the admin section and see where it goes. ;P Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 21:01, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
I guess one way to deal with it would be that if sysop nominees are rejected, they drop down to mod consideration rather than being rejected outright... although of course we're the only two who aren't already mods >_> Either way, it would be up to Diablo and the other users, ne? Speaking of which, I'll drop Diablo a message to tell him that we have a couple of new nominees; he may extend the deadline -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:36, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, believe it or not, I AM here a lot of the time. I just don't DO as much as I used to (since there's not much for me to do anymore as there once was after all of the crap I've done). That, and I'm not exactly the most talkative/social person around. I'm rather anti-social for the most part, unless someone starts a convo with me first or something. Thought I'd throw that out there for ya'll who were wondering bout me or something. Xenomic 00:40, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's a wild Xenomic! Jimcloud throws a Poké ball! 00:49, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not a wiki-secretary. One edit is not the same as the next. I don't think that edit count is the best way to tell if someone is helpful or not. Categorizing an image is one edit. Writing the equivalent of a 2 page paper is one edit. Typing "It's a wild Xenomic" on the forum is one edit. I think you might want to look at what my edits actually are. There are also some considerations to be given to temperament and shared vision. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 12:04, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Removed all the admin votes I made. Once again, all good candidates, wary of becoming a popularity contest, bla, bla bla. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:54, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Just an update to those concerned, it looks like my aunt will be putting me up for a fantastically reasonable rent, which means I won't miss a beat with my Internet, since her house already has wireless. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 02:22, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

So..what? What's the modship for then?? -_- 'Cos it looks like mainspace edit counts and all that to me...wikisig-2.png

Well, one significant indicator used for assessing whether a user has earned staff powers is their mainspace edit count. Perhaps it shouldn't be, or perhaps it's right that it is. Either way, it seems pretty ingrained, especially for mods -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 12:36, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
Well I think the mainspace edit count should be a big part, and the template/file edits should count as well. They show how much that particular user has done to the wiki. Clarent  (talk/ contribs)05:04, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe that's why the only real decisive factor for entering the moderator group are contributions as a whole. - Henryacores^ 21:58, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

SERIOUSLY WILL ANYONE CLEAN THE Category:Articles for Deletion! It's really annoying to see thousands of stuff there, and they are over months old, even years old. Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 07:29, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

(1) This is not the place to discuss that (2) Don't look at the category, then -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 16:17, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
*sigh* Yaeh, that's why we really need an active admin..Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 00:43, May 14, 2011 (UTC)


Well, Jimcloud and Keltainentoukokuu got the most votes, so congrats you two, welcome to the mod club.
As for a new admin, that takes a little while longer, for I first must contact all the other admins (and some are trickier to get than others). Diablocon 10:20, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Possible new staff portraits

If new staff are added, it is clear that the current setup of portraits on the staff page is going to fall apart. A suggestion that has come up on IRC, and seems reasonably popular as a preliminary idea, is to use Dissidia characters. Say two mods are added... that would be twenty moderators, to correspond to twenty heroes and villains, not counting Shantotto and Gabranth. Better still, if we add the eight sysops (which may be unpopular, but hear me out) and had four new mods, we'd have thirty to correspond to the same number of characters in D012. We could even use the fallen deity, Feral Chaos, for Shane. Thoughts? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:31, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
Of course, this almost makes me want to be a mod, just so I can have Shantotto, but I'd be the first to admit that I'm nowhere near deserving of mod status
EDIT: Oavatos has suggested that inactive staff be shown as manikins. Not a bad idea -- SN, 19:53, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I like it. Especially the manikins idea. -- Lycentia Stuffcocoa 02:41, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
The thing is, the admins should probably be the higher up powers from Dissidia. So that's Chaos, Cosmos, Cid, Shinryu and maybe Feral Chaos. Not enough, and poor Cid doesn't even have a portrait (seriously, I'd like to see what FFI's Cid looks like, poor guy has always been mentioned only in passing). Still, Dissidia characters with Manakins gets my approval. Diablocon 17:12, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Cid is represented by a Moogle in 012. I'd explain why but its a spoiler - short version, he does take on the form of a Moogle at one point. DoreikuKuroofangu 17:42, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
No rule that says both sets of portraits HAVE to be from the same game. Leave the admins as the judges. Besides, I seem to remember using the judges with the summons from VIII. -- Lycentia Stuffcocoa 17:49, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I'll also volunteer to make the portraits, once we've sorted out who wants what. DoreikuKuroofangu 20:17, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I'm also willing to do some, if that's okay. Won't hurt to split the workload -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 20:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I'd rather keep seeing Summons to be honest. It's a tradition started with FFXII Espers, then evolved to FFVIII Guardian Forces and now it's at FFXII:RW Tier 3 Yahri. If possible, I wholeheartedly think Summon portraits\sprites should be given priority. - Henryacores^ 18:54, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Portraits done, if there are no objections they're ready to go any time. Doreiku Kuroofangu 01:39, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Nice! But I don't see a portrait for Bartz... -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:40, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Got it, thanks. Also got Cosmos, Chaos and the Moogle too. Doreiku Kuroofangu 09:45, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Drake, since it looks like the wiki will be using the Dissidia characters now for the staff portrait, wouldn't it be interesting to use the manikins for the inactive users (for example, down below you picked Terra as your first choice and BH chose OK. You'd hav the regular Terra picture, but, since BH is technically inactive, he'd have OK's manikin instead of the actual character portrait)? It sounded better in my head, I'm sure, but it's an idea nonetheless. A.J. two (Smashboards) 14:09, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Use the Manikins, brilliant idea, it's a wonder no one thought of it before. Doreiku Kuroofangu 14:38, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
That's A.J. two for you, expanding on your comments and giving you awesome suggestions. I'm just awesome; there's nothing else to desribe it as. AJtwosig 18:32, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
No, that's AJ2 commenting on a discussion without reading it. Try again numbnuts. Doreiku Kuroofangu 19:01, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
AJ, if you took the time to look up to the first message you would have seen that I already suggested that weeks ago. Don't act like you're so special and unique for coming up with it. Θάνατος 04:45, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
I read through this section before I posted, and I didn't see that you already suggested it. I'm not trying to steal your idea Oavatos. If I knew it was there, I wouldn't have said anything. I would've felt like I do know: stupid for passsing what is already on the table, so to speak. So, to correct my original comment:
That's A.J. two for you, missing important details and making a fool out of himself by thinking he's awesome for coming up with an unoriginal idea. I'm just a moron; there's nothing else to desribe it as. AJtwosig 19:54, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Existing staff portrait choices (in preference order):

  • Drake – Terra, Zidane, Laguna
  • Azul – Firion, Bartz, Onion Knight
  • BlueHighwind – Onion Knight, Ultimecia*
  • Netherith – Squall
  • Lycentia - Shantotto, Terra *
  • Scathe – Firion, Warrior of Light
  • Henryacores - Gilgamesh

Nominees' choices, if promoted:

  • Jimcloud – Prishe, Lightning, Cloud
  • DSS - Cloud of Darkness *, Bartz *
  • Leon95 - Gabranth, Kain, Sephiroth
  • Sorceror Nobody – Shantotto, Lightning, Squall, Vaan
  • Bluestarultor - Zidane, Vaan, Tidus
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