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However, it is not right to restrict or ban the amounts of edits people can make to non-mainspace places. We are a Wiki, but we are also a community. As BlueHighwind said, if we are only a Wiki, we should remove all talk bubbles, userboxes, walkthroughs and the DNC. But I have no desire to see that happen, does anyone else? |
However, it is not right to restrict or ban the amounts of edits people can make to non-mainspace places. We are a Wiki, but we are also a community. As BlueHighwind said, if we are only a Wiki, we should remove all talk bubbles, userboxes, walkthroughs and the DNC. But I have no desire to see that happen, does anyone else? |
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One thing we could do, and this is something they do at the KH Wiki - make a template space on the main page for articles that need work. Articles that are stubs, need images, restructuring, and so forth. If we can put up a sign that says "yo, we need help with these articles", people ''will'' help. But if we just let people register and expect them to find mainspace stuff to do on their own, well it's no wonder they'll just stick to the forums. |
One thing we could do, and this is something they do at the KH Wiki - make a template space on the main page for articles that need work. Articles that are stubs, need images, restructuring, and so forth. If we can put up a sign that says "yo, we need help with these articles", people ''will'' help. But if we just let people register and expect them to find mainspace stuff to do on their own, well it's no wonder they'll just stick to the forums. |
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In fact, it isn't a forum at all, it's a Wiki! I know, it's ironic I make this statement in the forums. I'm getting tired of people coming here, and doing everything bar editing. Making their little clubs, having fun with other users who aren't editing, creating a shitful of forum posts and user spaces that contribute nothing. Know what a wiki is for? Editing articles and creating content. If you say "That's not fun!" then I have one thing to say to you: What the hell are you doing on a wiki? And to those of us who do edit articles and create content, we do find it fun, that's why we're here editing articles and creating content. What made me say this? Well, it's been building up for a while, but there are two reasons I now feel I need to say this:
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you know what i have a few stategy guides and gotten through quite a few ff games so i'm going to study up and start editing if some one helps me a bit i might be abile to be a good editer | |||
Hear hear Diablo. We're a Wiki, not a personal website or socializing website like Myspace, Facebook and those other websites out there. We do allow socializing to a certain degree, but when most edits one editor does is only to his/her userpage or forum posts, then its time to rethink the reason one comes here at the first place. Don't we have this wiki for these type of... edits? It's obvious that wiki could be turned into some sort of FF fanon wiki or FF socializing wiki. It's abandoned anyway. | |||
Strong agreement. This is not a socialising network, this is a wiki, and I am sick and tired of seeing all of these useless posts and aimless chitchat.
And for those who say "This is my user page, I can do what I want", note well that there is policy that says otherwise on Wikipedia. Perhaps it should be implemented here as well. | |||
You'd think that how many times it keeps getting brought up in some form, they would learn? The exact topic may be different, but the overall point is still the same. Something has to be done. Just pointing this out seems to be getting no where. | |||
That's not what I'd think. What I'd think is the same as I always think when this topic comes up--who the fuck cares? Why is it some horrible, cardinal sin to make non-mainspace edits? Does that somehow offend your senses and morality? Does that cause you grief? (Protip: if it does, get a life) It does absolutely nothing to negatively affect the wiki. And, again, shunning those people from doing forum/user edits won't somehow magically make mainspace edits more prominent--it'll put people off from the site in general. Who's more likely to edit "List of Final Fantasy VI Relics": someone who spends most of his time ranting about his favorite games on the forums, or someone who isn't here at all? | |||
their talking about peoplre that only user page edit.if thats the case its called myspace go there if you are only here to talk | |||
Who's more likely to edit "List of Final Fantasy VI Relics": someone who spends most of his time ranting about his favorite games on the forums, or someone who isn't here at all? These people who "rant" and such things never edit, why, doing random edit counts, I got the following:
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Thanks, griffen. I really appreciate how you didn't read a word I said. Kinda cute how you tried to comment on it anyway, however disturbing the grammar was. Diablo: I failed algebra a few times, but I don't think I'm that bad at basic math. 45 > 0, right? | |||
Hmm. I'm a little divided on this one. Yes, I know we're a wiki, but that's not all this place is, was ever intended to be, or should be. I do recall hearing some kind of this here: Project:By the fans and for the fans, about us also being a fansite. Did we forget about that? | |||
i'm a kid what you going to do?and i don't like complainers | |||
Shinra? Is that you? Also, that made no sense at all. Surprising. Diablo, you may have a point, the more I think about it--45 is rather inconsequential. However, you also failed to answer my main point--who cares? Why is it so damn annoying to have a member who doesn't edit mainspace? Why does it matter so much? | |||
It's annoying, because I joined this site under the impression it's a wiki, not a forum, and going by who supports me, I'd say people who actually edit this place as an actual wiki agree with me. | |||
So edit it as a wiki. Hell, that's almost exclusively what I do, if you'd care to check. The fact remains that it's a fansite, and we shouldn't be preventing discussion simply because it isn't "productive". That said--I wouldn't mind if we made forum and user edits filterable. It currently allows Recent Changes to filter Minor-marked changes, IIRC... could we do that for userpages and forumspace? That'd keep us all happy, methinks. Though it's hardly vital... | |||
So we're all wiki now. Well, here's a general list of all the things that will now need to be removed:
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Seriously. What's so wrong with being a community? Also, I just experimented with something... select Forum as the space in Recent Changes, and choose Invert Selection. Bingo. It only shows non-forum edits. Problem solved. Now can we finally leave the rest of the editors be? | |||
It's more than just the forums. It's people only editing their user pages and space, and nothing else. It's people making stupid cabals and tight knit groups for some reason. It's users creating millions of talk templates when you only need one! | |||
Alright, I suppose that's legit. My apologies for jumping the gun--I just remember so many topics saying the same thing primarily about the forums, so I lumped this with them. Hell, most Userboxes are completely pointless. People list their Userpages with equipment and limit breaks like anyone gives a shit about their own fantasy character. Ridiculous. However, again, it really doesn't affect the rest of us.. well.. at all. In any minute way. I can see justification for making some rule amendments about userspace, but I really don't see much purpose in doing so. | |||
Make these rules:
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Where do you draw the line though? How long must someone be a member before they're banned for not making any mainspace edits? How about people that primarily edit image categories and discuss potential changes on the talk pages, but rarely do the edits themselves? That should be discouraged, yes, but can you really ban people for it? And if it's just "zero mainspace edits", people can make .. well, just one or two, or fifteen, or 45, as previously stated. It solves nothing (not that I think there's anything to solve, but I digress). And if it's about percent...again, there are things besides forum and userspace that are helpful, but still not mainspace. | |||
One month of continuous activity - no reason to ban the people who make an account then never use it. Main space edits represent 1% or lower. We can probably show prejudice to the people who are obviously morons (they aren't hard to spot). | |||
The following are useful:
Edit any of these regularly, you're fine (well, maybe if you stay in talk pages too much you're in trouble). The following aren't useful:
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8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
EDIT CONFLICT: So I get back from trick-or-treating and watching Wanted (really good movie O.o)... I am reminded of the forum Yuan began about the wiki scope. While it was comprised of very good reasoning, arguments, and consensus, in the end the only change made was basically "Our general policy is to stay away from off-topic forums, but this is all at the administrator's discretion." This should be the same case here. We should not be looking for "let's write up a long list of rules and such for the wiki", we should be looking for a blunt, slightly flexible message accompanied with actions to back it up. What would prevent a creation of a User Group more?
The latter has already happened, and it has stopped a potential addition to this growing myspace-like attitude. Diablo has already put out his position and acted on it. This shouldn't mean we should start a formal crusade against all non-mainspace functions, only those that are particularly aggravating. Discretion is so much more than eloquence. | |||
EDIT CONFLICT: Here's the stats for the current recent changes (03:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)):
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Before I deleted it, the "cabal" has 21 edits dedicated to it, and JZ and his gang were making more User edits than you can shake a stick at. | |||
Isn't there a way to make the forum completely seprate from the recent changes? | |||
I agree that too many users come here as a social club. My personal pet peeve is users who have registered and do nothing but vote in the DNC. Is having your vote worth an extra .5 points really worth the bother to all parties involved?
However, it is not right to restrict or ban the amounts of edits people can make to non-mainspace places. We are a Wiki, but we are also a community. As BlueHighwind said, if we are only a Wiki, we should remove all talk bubbles, userboxes, walkthroughs and the DNC. But I have no desire to see that happen, does anyone else? Again, what would should do instead of telling a user "make X number of mainspace edits in Y days or you're banned", we should encourage mainspace edits themselves. One thing that could help with that is a decent To-Do List, because the current one is IMO, poor. There's work to be done all over this Wiki, we just have to tell the people how to help! One thing we could do, and this is something they do at the KH Wiki - make a template space on the main page for articles that need work. Articles that are stubs, need images, restructuring, and so forth. If we can put up a sign that says "yo, we need help with these articles", people will help. But if we just let people register and expect them to find mainspace stuff to do on their own, well it's no wonder they'll just stick to the forums. We have to encourage mainspace editing if we want it edited more. Restricting user pages and forums and the like will not push people out into the mainspace, it'll just plain push them out of the Wiki. We have to make the parts of the mainspace that people can contribute to, accessible to the new user. Hell, maybe even add a section like "if you want to start editing right away, you can look for an article to work on here", to the welcome template. As a note, the above could also help the current editors. I'm honestly bored, here, once the VII character pages are done I have nothing to do. I'd like to find stuff to work on, but unless it's been properly categorized as needing work, I can't do anything now can I? When I look for something to improve, I go to the Stub section and the like, but I am sure there are stubs out there now not marked as such, that I won't find. | |||
Edit conflict: This is due to people not reading the help pages, perhaps. An answer to your question, located in something which is linked to the welcome template. There's also Special:Wantedpages and a bunch of categories here. Seek, and ye shall find! ;).
Seriously though, that's another thing which irks me - how many people actually read the welcome template? | |||
You speak the truth, Yuan-chan. We certainly do have places where people can find things to do, we need to show them this. While the FFWiki category is useful, how many people know how to find it? Are we to wait around and hope new users find their way to the stub section and start expanding? Or should we present this to them directly?
EDIT - Examples of two areas with massive potential for expansion: Final Fantasy VII Enemy Abilities, and The After and related FFIVTA pages. If we posted a notice somewhere about them, surely people would join and help. Anyone who has played FF7 and has the patience can work on the Enemy Abilities page. | |||
I'm sorry, but it really sounds like Diablo, Bluer, and Yuan are trying to make this another wikipedia and we all know wikipedia is boring. You want people to stop using this place like a forum then delete talk templates and don't allow videos, but what will happen oh yeah half of your faithful editors will leave and this wiki will be dead. I suggest we all stop nagging about this and get on with our lives. | |||
We all know wikipedia is boring. Speak for yourself, pal. For yourself and every single one of your kind. I admit I share Dazuro's point of view in that, whatever edits of nonconstructive nature there might be, their inherent importance is inexistent. However, I also admit I share Diablo's opinion in that we're being loaded with pointless, annoying and, in some cases, actually abusive edits. But what is matter in which we are to act? What is the whole point of this discussion anyway? I believe it is clear that we are not about to establish a new set of rules regarding editing (since I think most users, old and new, useful and useless would oppose). We might as well be honest, point out the problem and delete all of this Uncyclopedia infection so that we may return to our normals duties. Let's be blunt. We don't need any more idiocy to deal with than what we already have with some of the regulars. | |||
I agree with Fae, making another edit rule will just be pointless since nobody cares to read them, yet obey them. The thing we have to do is delete the ridiculous and stupid stuffs. I'm not saying to delete the DNC, since everyone likes it and its a preety good way to learn about a FF character you dont know. I'm saying we delete this "Contests" where there's only 3 peoples voting and other stuffs thats stupid and useless. We also better encourage (not force) people to start editing the mainspace more intensly, give them the pressure, you know? | |||
Says a guy with only 14% mainspace edits and a vast majority of his edits done to his own userpage... | |||
Thats a long time ago, I've started to get a bit busy by fixing articles here and there, that and the fact that my comp is a bit bugged each time I open 4 or more windows, school, and everyday life. Altho I know I have this type of comment comming... | |||
Are we done? Okay, I'll make my say now. First and foremost, I have no intention to turn this wiki into Wikipedia, so you and your kind no need to worry, Zolo. BUT at the same time, I have no intention in letting this wiki devolve into some sort of socializing, networking website. So yeah, what we all should achieve is a good balance of both; the good from Wikipedia, and the good of a fan-community. And, oh yeah, thread locked. We don't need flamewars. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
I'm unlocking this, because although we need to increase mainspace editing activity, we need to be careful about how we enforce it, guys. What I'm really afraid of, though, is turning this Wiki into Conservapedia, which is a wiki written from a far right viewpoint (or at least the viewpoint of one far right conservative who accuses even other conservatives of being liberal if they disagree with him in the slightest). A lot of dissenters get banned for "Violating 90/10 rule against talk, talk, talk." This rule is enforced VERY subjectively. Many users who have a good 40-60% mainspace edits get banned under this rule just because they disagree with Andy Schlafly (the guy who owns the Wiki). I don't want to input a rule like this and if we have to ban someone, we should make sure it's someone who basically has maybe 1 or 2 mainspace or talkpage edits compared to like a few hundred forum edits to unproductive topics (posts that talk about articles and how to improve them are excluded. Also, any fanstuff you make is excluded). Also, our mission is not to be an encyclopedia, or at least it's not to be ONLY an encyclopedia written in what basically is a boring retelling of all the stories. It's our primary function, but it's not our only function. We need to work together as a community, and that means we need some community bonding to make sure we're all on the same page. We don't want to turn into an authoritarian wiki. That being said, it's just unacceptable to come here and use this place as a forum. Oh, and no cabals, please. | |||
Funny how you make a point and yet I have never seen you around the forums- at least in this one. But seriously, stop and think about it for a second. I'll tell you what this is: a moot point. First, I understand why most of you are peeved. Sometimes some people take things for granted and take advantage of the things given to you on certain places. However, I believe this Wiki is supposed to be by fans for the fans. So, if you keep this only and exclusively as a repository, well... it's an epic fail. No one's gonna be in. If you take out the community, you get nothing. That's why forums are in- in a sense, it's also contributing. Look at the final boss debate for one. Sure, it often gets silly and even ridiculous, but it's still something. It leaves you thinking about which boss could probably be the strongest in the series. It's funny, but still a contribution. Balance, yes. We need it. But eliminate the fanbase by taking out what makes part of being in a community fun? Yeah fucking right. No thanks. Leave it as it is.right | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 04:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
I don't think anyone wants to get rid of one. My philosophy, which I think Blue would agree with, is "you can't have one without the other." | |||
Now THAT I can agree with. Thank you for putting it in nice words, Crazy! :Dright | |||
HighwindAsylum - Every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main TALK - HighwindAsylum 04:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
One. I'm really new here. I only joined like five days ago and I agree with Drake. When I first joined I had no idea what to do. I only just got an idea after reading this thread and seeing that there was a list of stubs and a list of articles needed. There should be something on the front page of the wiki or that shows articles that need to be worked on. I went and looked at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and I think their Article Cleanup of the Month thing is a good idea. Two. You shouldn't get rid of the community aspects. I've been using this wiki as an information source since last December and have just made an account because I wanted to learn Wiki Markup and be a part of the community. You won't get very many new members if you take away the community and most likely drive existing members away. | |||
The problem isn't the community, the problem is that too many people come here only for the forums and the DNC, and not for the Wiki. We're a Wiki first, you know.
Would you register an online account for say, Unreal Tournament or StarCraft, and go online just to talk to people and not actually play the game? Then why would you join this place just to talk to people and not edit except for the occasional thing? If you're just here to social, there's many other places for that. If you're here to socialize and edit, that's a different story. | |||
Though I hate this forum a lot, I must agree with my buddy Clawfang. If you're here to socialize go to Myspace likee I do. | |||
There's a reason why Bluer locked this tread... -_- Kid, watch were you're typing. Check the history to know what I'm talking about. | |||
Faethin just stop I'm not fighting with you anymore, go be a loser else where. None of this is going towards you backwater boy. | |||
Consular Revan - The Everything and the Nothing TALK - There is no need for such trivial things as 'morals'... {{{time}}} | |||
How interesting... If some people had their way, I'd go *poof* Looks like I, like others, are viewed as parasites because we contribute in a 'different' way than the boring contrived intended way. I am glad there is more dissent than agreement on this thread... =) | |||
There appears to be some confusion with this issue. We are not saying that you cannot post in forums, or that you can't edit user/user talk space. Community building is important. However, activities such as tourneys, repetitive forum threads asking for opinions, user groups etc - when people devote much of their time on the wiki to such, it confuses the purpose and attitude of the wiki.
"boring contrived intended way"? This is the attitude which is currently being promoted on the wiki, and I must say that it is extremely negative. If what the wiki is meant for is seen as "boring", those who edit it are hardly likely to feel like contributing to it. Do I want to contribute to a wiki, and promote helpful edits, when doing such simply earns me the monikers of "bot" and repressor of the community? | |||
If this Forum solves anything, I'm hoping it specifically ends those User Groups. And even more so, I really hope it ends those damn tournaments. Do people even still do that? That's so 2007. | |||
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Thread unlocked? *shrugs* Ah well. Anyway, I'll just put in some of my views before thread gets locked again. I am sorry. I believe this is entirely my fault. My aim to turn this Wiki into "a complete Final Fantasy information database" has been interpreted as some as an attempt to turn it into a Wikipedia carbon copy. I am sorry I had created or enforced policies, made a style manual, pushed for mainspace editing, and everything that has to do with making this wiki follow the "boring contrived intended way". Clearly this had changed the community that CSM struggled to built in its early years. And I remember the early years vividly. And I'm sorry that that remains a memory. I know a lot of our newer users are not satisfied when threads like this come up. It's my fault it come up. So I'm sorry. I am no perfect being, and I'm sorry. You may do as you please, because I'm sorry.
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Consular Revan - The Everything and the Nothing TALK - There is no need for such trivial things as 'morals'... {{{time}}} | |||
"This is the attitude which is currently being promoted on the wiki, and I must say that it is extremely negative. If what the wiki is meant for is seen as "boring", those who edit it are hardly likely to feel like contributing to it. Do I want to contribute to a wiki, and promote helpful edits, when doing such simply earns me the monikers of "bot" and repressor of the community?" First of all, when I stated that I, like others, contribute to this wiki in other ways than the "boring contrived intended way", it did not mean that regular editing should be abandoned. Personally, I'd rather just contribute on forum discussion than add information to this wiki. Again, not the intended way, but I don't detract by making 'unproductive' topics. I haven't even made a new topic yet; I've only added to existing ones. What I'm getting at, is that I should not be banned because I only contribute to the forums (idea contemplated by some). The contributions here may be small, but not all discussions are pointless spam; some actually add to the functionality of this site. It's all about balance, and I have not, and do not intend to tip it... Secondly, I do not condemn those who actually do contribute a lot to this wiki. I have never called anyone a "bot" or "repressor of the community". You condemn some actions because they detract from the overall purpose, and you might get flamed for doing so (blind follower of the rules). But I have no problems with you opinion as long as I am free to contribute here in a minor way. If I ever get way off topic and turn into a spammer on this forum, then eradicate me. The forum is not the problem, it is certain users. With that said, I agree with some of the propositions that were stated, but from what I've read some seem to go a little too far. That's my only gripe... | |||
Blue why are you apologizing you haven't done anything wrong? You know guys can we just lock this fourm up and go back to being normal nerds/hyper freaks that just do our common stuff? | |||
How about no?
I'm sick and tired of serious Wiki discussion being brought up, and everyone comes out of their corners to chip in a cent or two then runs away and they're allowed to do so. OtherArrow said it best: " Just pointing this out seems to be getting no where". I'm tired of discussion with no conclusion, people talking about doing things and not doing them here. You know what? Diablo, you're top dog, you brought this up. Screw what we have to say, do what you feel needs to be done to fix this. Hell, ban someone, just to throw the fear of god into them. Or, I dunno, delete some forum topics. Just, let's have something done about this besides discussing it. I made a suggestion that was taken further on the Main Page talk, what about that? | |||
Delete the useless things then like forums from 2007 that have no more meaning here, delete useless user pages like tournaments that no one cares about, ban the useless people who hardly edit and quited the wiki. Delete dumb talk pages on the great articles that include dumb questions, swearing, dumb theories, etc. | |||
ban the useless people who hardly edit and quited the wiki. Delete dumb talk pages on the great articles that include dumb questions, swearing, dumb theories, etc. Oh, the irony. | |||
Let me help, Diablo. Here's a list of forum topics that contribute absolutely nothing to the Wiki. Feel free to delete them.
That's all for now. But there, a dozen and a half topics that contribute no intelligent discussion on Final Fantasy or the Wiki. Just vape them. | |||
@Clawfang:Perfect examples of dumb forums, but what about the forums from 07. @Faethin:Can you please deal with the poor grammer for now, becuase I'm not intending to fight with you anymore for the sake of everyone here. | |||
Those too, if it hasn't seen a post here since, let's say May (six months ago), delete it.
And you two, just quit the fighting please. This is a perfect example of the irreverent debating that is part of the problem. Take it to a talk page. | |||
Fight? What fight? I'm laughing my head off each time I read something by this kid. | |||
Stop ok take this to my talk page. Clawfang good I hate old forums, now we just need to delete old useless things that Admins must decide on. | |||
Okay, I'm new here (sort of) and I'm already annoyed. Drake: Okay, so those threads are nothing that contributes? Since when? Some of them I understand, such as a thread I made that's in that list. You know the one. But some others actually make sense and would make for good discussion, like Something about SOLDIER that does not make sense. I don't see the fuss. Faethin and the brat: Shut the HELL up already. I'm already annoyed at how it just goes on and on and on. Forgive me if I sound rude but I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with me. Here's a last note. If being in a Wiki is all about write write write without there being any fun at all, then it's not worth coming here. AND you WILL lose valuable members that way. Edit articles for people to consult? Sure. But if you can't enjoy it then what's the worth? You can't just be workaholic forever. Lighten up for once: everyone needs a shot of joy and silly now and then. Remember that. And before you ask yourself, yes, I'm in a bad mood.right | |||
Man can't anyone call me by my name geesh. Red I'm refering to stuff like dumb disscusions on the pages like example"Tifa's Boobs are Huge" should be deleted since it's irrelevant to the article, like if it's question about what's wrong with the article it should remain there. | |||
"If being in a Wiki is all about write write write without there being any fun at all, then it's not worth coming here. AND you WILL lose valuable members that way."
Like....who? The way I see it the only people bothered by this seeming proposal are those who prefer to talk than to edit, in which case they're not valuable at all. If you spend the majority of your time talking to people and making little sandbox tournies and having fun chatting on forums, guess what? We could afford to lose you and you're thus not really that important to the Wiki. Hard truth, deal with it. EDIT - and BTW, Red Ronso, I looked at your contributions - you've been here exactly 3 months, you've made less than 100 edits, only 2 of which were in the mainspace and the rest were your user page, and forums. So sorry to break this to you, but you're one of those people. | |||
I'm really sick of this forum. All it's accomplished is starting arguments that lead NOWHERE and people being grouped as Useful Editors or Useless Screw-Arounds. Enough already! | |||
As I said before you want to sociallize all the time go to Myspace or IRC. As they all repeated wikia not a place for only socailizing, I share my equal ammount of socializing, but I have mostly main space edits. But really let's not speak of the socializers a useless it just causes a bigger riot. | |||
Alright that's it! Now you crossed the line, Drake! Excuse me for doing my best to contribute! I'm a college student. Do you seriously believe I have the time to look at, what, twenty or thirty pages a day to look for grammar and spelling issues, or to fix a mistake relating to Final Fantasy? I sadly do not. I have posted in forums, yes, and I have only been able to do two contributions to mainspace- I won't deny it. But guess what? I'm a freaking noob here. I haven't had the time- especially now when I'm a senior and am getting the tougher classes. Also, just because I'm able to contribute as little as possible to mainspace I'm automatically singled out as invaluable to you? After I offered myself to improve this wonderful site? Screw you- I have my dignity. If you're here to belittle me and others just because most of them (I know there's always spammers around) aren't able to contribute as often as they would want, well, SCREW THAT, SIR. I'm leaving. I enjoyed the time here. However, I'm not here to fight with others over trivial matters. And to conclude, today I have been very hurt personally, but I don't mind. As of today, that's over. Good-bye, and I only wish the best for this Wiki.right | |||
@Bluer: No one is blaming you, and I don't see at all how it is your fault. You've done amazing things for this wiki.
@Consular Revan: I never said you called me or anyone else those names. But, the general attitude seems to be that encouraging people to edit the mainspace is making this place into Wikipedia. In any case, it's starting to irritate me that no one seems to be able to read what I'm saying. You can edit forum and talk space. They can be helpful. But what those junk topics do is make them seem worthless. We don't want that. @Zolo: It would be a good idea, if not for the fact that every time one of the admins skips a process, or acts harshly, there's an outcry of "He's abusing his power!" or similar. @Red Ronso: I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck with whatever life may bring you. | |||
Oh, Red Ronso...Bye. :( Nice going, Drake. -_- | |||
*Brings truckloads of cheese so I too can participate in thise whine-fest* =D This 'discussion' (as one's parents would call it, but come on, we all know what it really is...) was so stupid, I just had to reply to it :3 This is probably the 4th or so time that a thread with this (or similar) topic has been made, and 'funny' enough, nothing has come out of it yet again, and the only ones who actually came up with any useful ideas have been ignored. Why? I don't know, and I honestly don't friggin' care, but here's a sum-up so that you won't have to go through this entire crap again in 4 months because absolutely nothing changed (yes, it sounds harsh, especially since I'm not even affiliated to this site, and I'm sorry for that, but Jesus F. Christ, come on, this is just plain inane...). Cloudofdarkness said on November 1st: "Isn't there a way to make the forum completely seprate from the recent changes?" Why has no one actively considered this instead of slandering eachother? Ask someone who knows JavaScript (e.g. PanSola) if they can change the site's .js so that edits to the forums aren't shown on the Recent Changes page. By doing this, the forum will be "isolated" despite being on the wiki, so edits to forum space won't flood the recent changes page and cause a bother, yet interwiki links will still work (should that be necessary). Wiki-people get their wiki in peace, without influence from the forums, forum people get their forum in peace, without wiki people complaining over lack of edits to the mainspace, since who would notice them anyway? It might not be possible, but at least try to do something about it. Clawfang said on November 1st: "We have to make the parts of the mainspace that people can contribute to, accessible to the new user. Hell, maybe even add a section like "if you want to start editing right away, you can look for an article to work on here", to the welcome template." and on reply from Yuan-chan, who provided links to where newbies could find this info, he added "You speak the truth, Yuan-chan (edit: Wait, WTF?! "Yuan-chan"? :3). We certainly do have places where people can find things to do, we need to show them this. While the FFWiki category is useful, how many people know how to find it? Are we to wait around and hope new users find their way to the stub section and start expanding? Or should we present this to them directly?" This too seems to have been left for dead. Why hasn't attempts to advertise the articles that need content been made? Add it to the welcome template, on the front-page, to the sidebar, or wherever. Make a Random Article template that links to a random article with the stub template in it, stick in in a table beneath the random quote on the front page and write "This article needs YOUR help! <template>" or something. I get it if people think this is too hard to do, but then get help from others and actually try to accomplish something. Like the old saying goes "It's better to have tried and failed than to be a fucktard who never tries at all" or something like that. Anywho, whether you choose to actually try doing something about the problem or just ignoring it again until someone else complains about it, best of luck with it. Sincerely, Hecko "Holier than Thou" X :3 | |||