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Ok. following in the vein of best/worst villain/hero. I was wondering, who's everyone's hated protagonist? The only rule is that you've gotta justify your hate with at least three different reasons. Mine is:

Snow[edit source]

  1. He whines constantly about Serah.
  2. He often patronises Hope. (particularly early in the game)
  3. He's the worst mage of the group.
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Vaan[edit source]

  1. Has no real reason to be in the party (Although this could be the case with at lest one character in FF games)
  2. Surprisingly rude. (Fran how old are you again?)
  3. And that stupid vest thing that he wears. And you would think that when the party has to through cold places they would replace the characters clothes, but thats never the case.
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Terra[edit source]

Unlike Vaan, who is acknowledged as a bad character, Terra is given tons of praise that she doesn't deserve. She's better, but she's not the "great, deep protagonist" that everyone paints her to be.

  1. She was definitely assigned a female gender role & simply thrust into the role of main character. She muses on love, she's the chosen character to be the surrogate parent of the orphans, several characters hit on her but she's too innocent or whatever to understand their advances, it's freaking mind boggling why people think she's progressive.
  2. She's totally useless. As far as stats go, she's just like any other protagonist. But how often does Terra kick ass in a cutscene? Usually, she's going crazy, fleeing the party, refusing to fight, or some combination. It shouldn't have taken her more than a minute or 2 for her to get her shit together in Mobliz & realize she had to stop Kefka. Everyone else did for far less good of reasons than having to protect an entire town of orphans.
  3. Her transformation is retarded. She turns purple & it doubles her stats. Lamest idea for a special ability ever.
  4. Her storyline is so melodramatic. When it's not about her love issues, it's about her mixed parentage or the teenage pregnancy going on under her nose. It's like everyone else is in a fantasy adventure & she's stuck in a soap opera.
  5. She is by far the most brooding FF protagonist & she doesn't really have it that bad. She doesn't even remember being used by the Empire, so as far as she's concerned, her biggest problem is a bit of emotional confusion.
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The best remedy for that is to beat Terra numerous times with Kefka in Dissidia Mog&Boko 09:58, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

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Except the option isn't open to evreyone. TARDISES 17:29, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Still, it's well worth investing in Mog&Boko 19:26, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

By that, I meant nto evreyone hsa it, duh. I don't for example. TARDISES 19:41, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

And by my comment I meant that it's worth getting it. Sorry for any confusion. Mog&Boko 20:53, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

It's not as if I don't want it or anything, OFC... TARDISES 22:54, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

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Meh, I always thought Terra was one of the better characters. Her equipment selection is the best in the game and really her ability can kick some serious ass against most bosses, unlike Celes' which is useful a few times but not really. Also, you would brood a lot too if you were raised as a prisoner and slave of an evil empire and literally had no childhood or life experience and were suddenly told that everyone needed you to help save the world. Masterblaster9001 23:09, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Agree with Masterblaster, Terra kicks ass. Since she was little she was a slave, who knows how long that slave thing was on her head it could have been her whole life which is why she questions her emotions so much. Dumb Terra haters :) Dissidian

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I never used runic except in the battle where it is introduced. My tactic is more "kill it before it kills me" which makes Terra more useful, despite the fact that trance never lasts at first. Storyline wise, I think the character was a good idea, but Square just went too far with it. Mysidian Nomad 20:40, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

It's not a "moot" point because she has NOTHING to remember. You also said it is basically amnesia, which will go away anyways, but like I said she has NOTHING to remember. She is basically a child in an adult's body. She knows NO emotion, none at all. The party will drop whatever "shit" they're doing to comfort her because they know that she is CRUCIAL to taking down the empire and because they're GOOD people. Another thing is she can't control her esper form at first which is why she goes berserk, she has so much power that she can't really control it all that well. Also, if her turning into her esper form in not creative or interesting I don't know what is. Zidane also goes into a "trance" but I would much rather see a purple naked girl esper than a purple glowing guy with a tail.

Concerning Celes, which I LOVE also, she was so depressed that she was about to KILL herself. Pathetic, much? Runic Vs Trance both are amazing but Terra Vs Celes, Terra would win because once Terra trances Celes can only Runic to defend against her magic but Terra can attack with BOTH magic and sword. Sure Celes can attack with both magic and sword as well but her stats don't double and if she keeps using Runic she will never win. Dissidian

See, this is why I hate these "hate" forums. Worst this, worst that, it's just a bunch of people arguing about characters they like or don't like. It's not like you can do anything about it anyway. Mysidian Nomad 02:45, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I always thought this confined most of our 'least favourite character' rants to an empty space instead of clogging up the DNC etc. The reason I created this forum was because I was interested to see which protagonists were the least favourite, unlike many of the villain/hero threads with the comic reasons used in other forums. If you don't like these things then by all means don't participate. It's not a question of whether or not we can do anything about it, more like a bit of fun conversation. So many people moan about things like the price of say petrol, but we can't do anything about that. Not meaning this to be some attack for someone's opinion, more just the reasoning behind why this forum was made. Mog&Boko 15:45, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

So you're trying to isolate it rather than encourage it. Sorry, I misunderstood your motives Mysidian Nomad 18:30, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

That's OK, don't worry about it. Now, who else deserves the title of annoying FF playable-character? Mog&Boko 20:07, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

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Yeah probably because you have no rebuttal. I'm not concerned about the logic, but you're just bashing Terra. You're not just stating why you dislike her but you're actually badmouthing her and her "character". With Vaan's vest, it's just a physical thing, it's not his "character". Whatever, agree to disagree :P Dissidian

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I don't have a clue what's happened now really, but, character complaints generally hold more weight than "Vaan won't cover up appropriately in Paramina Rift" Mog&Boko 12:20, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

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Aerith/Aeris[edit source]

I wanted to do this from a long time and Neo was a great motivation (EPIC Terra bashing!) TenzaZangetsu 20:36, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

  1. Many people have told that she's a deep character, in what? All her story is that she bang a 1st Class and later bang the 1st Class's best friend. I never saw her doing anything else than talking to Zack, Cloud.
  2. She's useless. Yes, her Limits are amazing but that's that. And don't give that "She's a good mage" crap, everyone in FFVII are good mages.
  3. She's extremely overrate because of her death, big deal. Her death was epic but because of Sephiroth and what piss me off the most is the fact that everyone blamed Cloud for her death.
  4. This is what I hate the most: The fact everyone thinks she's the most beautiful girl in FFVII, why dream about her when you have someone ten times better in the same game?
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It's fun to shun Aerith from your party! She was pretty selfish for claiming Cloud for herself, I don't care if she saw Zack in him, that's an even worse reason, "I just love you 'cause you remind me of my dead boyfriend." Yeah, cheery. That said, she was a lot more likable in Crisis Core but that was with Zack which was fine, hey that scene when Tseng has that box of letters is tragic, but she just wasn't very good in the main story. In terms of personality, Tifa was suited much more to Cloud, not all the "She's looks so much better than Aerith" rubbish, but because they're childhood friends, who as seen in several flashbacks, looked out for eachother on many occaisions. (Mind you, I shunned Tifa from my main party too) Anyway, the point is that in her death scene people always cite Sephiroth as her killer. Isn't it actually JENOVA who does this? The party haven't visited Northern crater and so dear old Sephiroth is locked up nice and safe. JENOVA is simply acting on primal survival instinct. Finish the job she started and whatnot. It was a sad scene, but not one that brought tears to your eyes. (not mine anyway) Maybe I'm missing something but, Aerith was a perfect love interest in crisis core and strangely, by the time she appeared in the original game, her part was overused before it had been first used. If nothing else I'm sure that's a record breaker. Mog&Boko 13:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

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Damn, you completely took me apart! I will concede she's not the worst character there's ever been and maybe it's Tifa being "there" first that probably gives the whole idea anything to stand on. But when I called Aerith the "perfect love interest" I wasn't really thinking in terms of, saintly woman figure, I might have worded it badly. What I meant was that she came off better to me as she appeared in Crisis Core rather than the original, where I found her seeing too much of Zack in Cloud for comfort. Fair point she doesn't know for sure but the resemblance is uncanny. A SOLDIER 1st class, he has the Buster Sword, (which was in Zack's possession when last visiting Aerith pre-Nibelheim) hell, he even falls into her church in the same way! I'm sorry but she's either seriously special or she must have had even fleeting thoughts that something was up, yet she chose to remain silent, admittedly much of this is conjecture and guesswork but it is still logical. She could've saved us the whole trippy Mideel "finding himself" scene with Cloud if she'd confided in at least someone of the group. Sephiroth and Jenova are tricky though. Sephiroth gains his power from mako and Jenova cells (though most people agree that Jenova fuels most of his power) therefore, how do we know that it is Jenova controlling or at least influencing heavily, Sephiroth's motives and possible actions. Jenova's properties are never explicitly stated other than her cells have the innate desire to be together, which in turn requires some form of influence over said cells. Sephiroth may have tapped into this and committed the deed of topping Aerith, but Jenova may have subtly influenced this desire. Sephiroth is the clear figurehead and main force of the game, but Jenova can just as easily be his drive, again this is all guesswork and I can't pretend anything different But I hope it does put doubt into other reasonably watertight arguments against this.

So we are left with a few conclusions. Firstly, Cloud is meant to be with Aerith who just happens to be collateral in the quest to stop Sephiroth,and yet still pines for Cloud in the afterlife, despite being reunited with Zack. Yes this may be friendly reassurance from beyond the grave but it's unlikely considering that this is based on the fact that she is Cloud's love interest.

Another is that Tifa is meant to be with Cloud who still yearns after Aerith (who possibly keeps him hung up on her due to frequently reappearing to him) leaving Tifa with a childhood friend who utterly ignores her in favour of a dead girl who at least is reunited with Zack, prolonging cloud's suffering by keeping him stuck and unable to move on.

Finally is that neither is meant to be with Cloud and that he's a tale of an unlucky lover who lost someone too important to ever love again, or something like that. personally, I believe the second idea. Think what you will but hopefully this gives better reasoning than my last. And feel free to point out any flaws in this (provided there's counter reasons of course) what's the point of debating if no-one challenges you for fear of alienating you? Mog&Boko 10:21, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

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hmm, well I guess the only puzzle left is that, if Sephiroth was injected with Jenova cells before birth,how did he get the SOLDIER training? Mog&Boko 16:49, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

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Yeah so when he was being raised, how was corruption via Jenova cells avoided whilst he was undertaking SOLDIER training? There was plenty of time for her/it to take control of him and use him as a host. Mog&Boko 10:07, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

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No worries. But it does raise an interesting plot hole no? Mog&Boko 12:00, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

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I DEFINITELY agree on point 4 - Why have little miss dead girl when that game has what is basically FF's mother of all mammaries? TARDISES 19:39, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ramza[edit source]

I hate Ramza, I want him dead!!! kuPoHunTer 14:59, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

  1. I hate his little stupid accent. "Hark comrades, dost whales be'th approaching!
  2. I hate Final Fantasy Tactics. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with A2, but the original gets me cursing my head off every ten seconds.
  3. At the beginning of the game his is one of like 4 squires out of a 8 man party and his sucks at being a chemist.
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You have a point, it does seem a bit general to directly associate with Ramza. Mog&Boko 10:23, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

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Tidus[edit source]

  1. A bit of an airhead.
  2. Whiny and repetitive (Sin's toxin this, Zanarkand that).
  3. That laughing scene.


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now, point 2's just plain unfair. He was pretty much told to use that bull**** excuse about that toxin. If there really was one, why wasn't the party affected during that battle on the airship, hmm? Even he had to admit it was a bit sad using that excuse, BTW. However, that particular scene is just, ugh, no argument. (point 3) TARDISES 19:42, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Tidus is the most radical(in terms of character) Final Fantasy main protaginist. He isn't emo, broody,a skirt chaser,hes a average person. God enough with making fun of him. Naruto195 22:19, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think he has all of the worst traits of FF heroes: Generic; Waayy too Happy Go Lucky; Stupid Emo/Whiner and did I miss somethin' else? Kupohunter 22:49, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

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