The Wild Card
2. Freya - 14
1. Ashe - 10
Votes for 2. Freya
- Crazyswordsman: Ashe rules, but she's not Freya. Freya is even better.
- 8bit_BlackMage: Freya's awesome, cause she's a dragoon. Dragon Crest + Reis's Wind ftw.
- Drake: This was an easy choice for me. Every character from every game excluding VI > Characters from XII. Go Freya!
- SmegHead: Ashe is pretty hot and awesome, but Freya has a great story and cool dragoon skills in battle.
- Adam Mcduck: This is one of the hardest decisions i've had to make so far coz i like them both the same. I think of things i like about one of them but the amount of them is the same as the other person. In the end i have to vote for Freya because i prefer IX to XII, but if Ashe wins i won't really care.
- Masamune: I've stated many times before why Ashe sucks and Freya rules so I won't go into it here.
- FFFan4: We don't get how Freya is losing to Ashe, though Ashe was pretty awesome.
- Pablo618: mmm... Freya for me
- dudutsai: I hated Ashe so much. Also for some reason my Freya was the strongest member of my party even though she was 10 levels below average..
- Otherarrow: Freya is a better characer from a better game. Simple as that.
- TacticAngel:This fight is interesting... I'd never expect this to be a fight.
- Mymindislost: Surprisingly enough to all, including myself, I have decided to go with Freya on this one. She's a badass, and that's awesome.
- Faethin: The anthropomorphic dragoon rat-lady gets my vote.
- Freya is bad-ass, is a rat who is also a Dragoon...its crazy but its awesome. Ashe is a bitch...no hard choice here ~Chocobo Knight
Votes for 1. Ashe
- Nelo: Ashe managed to save my party more than three times, she gets my vote.
- Chief:My 3rd favorite female after Shiva and, of course, Tifa.
- Scottyboy4:Ashe was vital to my party.
- Henryacores: The toughest charcter on FFXII, she really earns this.
- BlueHighwind: Man this was a tough descion. I spent a good ten minutes muling it over before I finally gave up and just flipped a coin. It turned up Freya, but that's when I realized that I like Ashe better. Freya was cool and all, but Steiner was much better in that game. I hate rat people, so the whole Dragoon thing is evened out. Plus I have finally decided that FFXII is better than FFIX.
- User:Booff7: Definately a tough one but in the end I'd have to say Ashe. Freya leaves shortly after Odin destroys Cleyra if I remember correctly and she doesn't come back until disk 3. Once she comes back she doesn't have a very large impact on the story and she really doesn't say much. If I had to rate them before Freya left I'd probably go Freya but she leaves for a very long time and comes back to play a much smaller role than she did before. Plus, Ashe is, like almost every character in XII, a wonderful character. Plus, in my opinion, I consider Ashe the main character in XII anyway, it's just told from Vaan's point of view. Anyway, both great characters but I liked Ashe better.
- Hexed: I like her more than Freya.
- Drake Clawfang: Ashe: Freya is ok, but Ashe is cute, and what man does not love a cutie in a miniskirt? Some of the hottest anime characters around wear them, and Ashe does too, so it's a no brainer.
- Blue。
- Dark raven: Ashe is cuter, and was in my party all the time, saving me several times. Plus, she's the real bad guy in FFXII! And I always liked bad guys!
Comments
Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - {{{time}}} | |||
CSM, this crap takes ages to load... | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 03:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Sorry, guys. New topic tomorrow. | |||
Man, i'm suprised that Freya is loosing to Ashe. | |||
Yeah... same for me, and I usually don't have a lot of problems. It'd be kind of sad if Freya lost... | |||
Summons Bracket
1. Bahamut - 19
3. Phoenix - 7
Votes for 1. Bahamut
- Crazyswordsman: The King of the Dragons for me. Phoenix was never useful at ALL. What he could do, Life 2 could do better.
- Chief: Bahamut's freakin' awesome.
- Nelo:more one-sided fights?
- Henryacores:He's the God of the Summoned Beasts and King of Dragons...I think this is enough.
- Pablo618: The king of summons goes for me this time
- Masamune: Just based on the games, Bahamut is often the ultimate summon. Plus he's a dragon, and dragons rule.
- Drake: Yeah, I like Bahamut. If you wondering why, then I ask: Where the hell were you when I had my old talk template.
- BlueHighwind: I've been voting for Phoenix all competition, however when it comes to either Bahamut or Shiva there is no question. The King of the Dragons rules. Oh and anyone who says that Phoenix was never useful has clearly never beaten Emerald WEAPON. Get back to me when you do.
- Drake Clawfang:Phoenix and Bahamut are both indispensable summons and awesome monsters, but Bahamut is a dragon, so my vote lies with him.
- dudutsai: Bahamut is better.
- Mymindislost: King of Dragons FTW.
- SmegHead: It's not that I don't like Phoenix, but I never used him except to see the summon animation when first acquiring him. Plus I am still pissed that he managed to beat Odin last round.
- Hexed: Odin cries out for vengance! That plus Bahamut has really flashy attacks.
- Scottyboy: He's the friggin king of dragons and the most bad ass summon ever.
- Dark raven The King of Dragons is the best summon ever. Maybe if Shiva or Odin was here, it would be a more diffcult choice, but not Phoenix.
- Sorry, Phoenix fans, but come on, Bahamut is the King of the Dragons...he, along with Chocobos and Moogles is a great symbol of FF, and so I must choose him. And although Phoenix was useful, and I have nothing against it, I'm frankly surprised it got this far ~Chocobo Knight
- Adam Mcduck: I've been votin for Phoenix this entire thing, but i've just been playin VII again, and Bahamut is great in it (in all 3 forms), Phoenix is great but in VII he's useless, this is my only reason.
- FFFan4: 1&2)King of Dragons.....pretty obvious.
- Alcaeus: Bahamut is actually useful despite the somewhat large amount of MP used to summon him. Phoenix is a waste of MP, period. Plus, the picture of Phoenix that's being shown is from FF8. FF8 is evil.
Votes for 3. Phoenix
- TacticAngel: How do you kill that which cannot die?
- 8bit_BlackMage: Hmph. Dealing huge non-elemental damage to all enemies is great, but you could always use a huge meteor instead. Phoenix is a unique and definitely useful summon. Reviving all characters at once with hlaf of their HP is much more efficient than casting Life 2 on everyone and having them come back with 200 HP or so. Plus, after each and every Mega Flare, Phoenix is gonna come right back.
- Setanbedul: he can be killed. After that, Phoenix will rise again.
- PhoenixDew: It makes me sad that the results for this fight are obvious, but I have to vote for Phoenix anyway. Phoenix is just the coolest! But Bahamut is a worthy summon as well.
- TheSwordofDoubt: For me, defense always came before offense, plus Phoenix saved my ass twice against Necron. Bahamut is awesome, yes, from the moment I got him in FF VIII he(with a little boosting) was doing 9999 per hit. =D
- User:Booff7: Gotta vote for Phoenix because it is the only summon I actually used. I hate using summoners, the trade off with summoners is that they have crappy armor and I don't beleive the damage summons do is worth the lack of armor. Phoenix, is the only exception because of it's ability to revive people. Bahamut cool but what use is Bahamut if the summoner is dead?
- User:Otherarrow: As much as I like Bahamut, the concept of phoenixs and their healing powers has always interested me. Besides, I don't think I ever seen Phoenix really die.
Comments
ChiefKakashi Talk - Contribs - Random - Books are for wiping. You can feel the waves coming on, let them destroy you or carry you on. | |||
Question:TacticAngel: How do you kill that which cannot die? Answer:Simple. You sick Bahamut on it. | |||
or...you can just kill the summoner (law of FFXII, I'm not sure if XI plays the same rule.) | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 01:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Or, cast X-Zone on it. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I HAVE beaten Emeraldo. WITHOUT Phoenix. | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Phoenix is only useful in Final Fantasy IX. EDIT: Clawfang, you forgot to add the# before the link to your userpage. I put it in there for ya :] | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
You forgot about FFVI, where Phoenix plays a major role in the story and is very useful (saved my ass against Kaiser), and bahamut never appears in person and is held by some pitifully easy boss. But then again, you hate FFVI with a passion, Drake. | |||
Impossible. Either you use Phoenix with Final Summon or you try some stupid shit with only two Materia. It can never work. I do not believe it. Or you used the lame Cait Sith method. Which if you did, I don't believe you are fit to be the leader of this wiki. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 03:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I just used the regular Life Materia. | |||
Wow that occured to me. I always just went straight to Pheonix because its so much cooler that way. Well I still stand by my strategy, my way your whole team gets revived, not just one character. And in fight with Emerald WEAPON, every little bit helps. | |||
Mime and HP Plus on the character you want to survive, and KotR+HP Absorb with W-Summon on someone else. If the HP Plus brings you to 9999 then you can't lose. There is no need to level up that useless summon Phoenix just to use it on Emerald | |||
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i choose phoenix but i wonder if my vote are correct
yeah right!! he is very usefull but not return Locke Dear woman to life.. *kick the phoenix FFVI*. How cruel you Phoenix shame for me to choose Phoenix.. It sooo selfish..But I believe Phoenix have a good side!! like.. i dunno.. you tell me
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Cid Bracket
2. Cid Highwind - 7
4. Cidolfus Demen Bunansa - 11
Votes for 2. Cid Highwind
- Drake: Well, it looks like Sephiroth might lose, and Highwind here just might too, but no matter who wins on this site, it doesn't make them better characters than all the others. I will forever like Sephiroth more than Kefka, and if Kefka wins, it's just because there are more Kefka fans/[censored so as not to be yelled at for vandalism] on this site than Sephiroth fans. So what? Nothing will change in my life whether Kefka wins or Sephiroth wins, so I don't really care anymore. In fact, this just might be my last vote in Magacite Madness. And that's all I have to say about that.
- Scottboy: Crap, I can't believe this Cid is losing. Don't get me wrong, I think dr. Cid is kick-ass too, but Highwind is the coolest most foul-mouthed dude in FF.
- User:Booff7: I really like both Cids in this one so I really don't care which one wins. I think I like Highwind a little more though because the scene with Cid in space is one of my favorite scenes in all of Final Fantasy. Also, since I don't care which one wins I decided to vote for the one who is currently losing.
- TacticAngel: I can't seem to like the mispelled Dr. Cid. Highwind is a Dragoon. He's also a Highwind. He's also charmingly misc. hick... plus he has something to do with airships, which makes him a true Cid.
- SmegHead: I too find it hard to believe that the bad-guy Cid is beating probably the best incarnation of good-guy Cid in the series.
- Adam Mcduck: The best Cid Vs the 2nd best Cid... The best Cid gets my vote. He's a good guy (major advantage), and he is just... cool.
- Masamune: Good ol' Cid. He's losing, but losing to Dr. Cid in the final round is the only acceptable alternative to him winning the Cid bracket.
- Cactuar83:Cid Highwind is the coolest character in FFVII
Votes for 4. Dr. Cid
- Crazyswordsman: Gotta give my sympathy vote to the man Kefka would probably pick as his protege.
- BlueHighwind: I still am calling Shenangins on the last vote. You ended early Crazyswords, in fact too early for the most important vote in the whole competition. Now unless you come up with a good explanation, you will be branded with the title of "cheatin' bastard".
- Pablo618: I like this Cid better
- dudutsai: Nothing is extremely cool about lancers or excessive swearing. Blue is also a bad color. (Naw just kidding, but I meant the first two)
- Mymindislost: Oh, hell yes. Dr. Cid all the way.
- Alcaeus: Better character, better fashion sense, less swearing.
- Maverick King: A bad-ass boss, a tragic charcter and the father of one of the coolest characters.
- Nelo: Go Cid! turn Cid(?) into a swiss cheese with your guns!
- Henryacores: Woohooo! Kefka won! Hail to the crazy ones!
- Hexed: Do i need a reason?
- Dark raven: The only Cid I really like. Psychotic, evil, and funny.
Comments
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I change the fights at random times; this is what I've always done. And who's vote was the most important? | |||
So its just a total coniencidence that you just so happened to change Kefka and Sephiroth's fight early? Now why do I find that hard to believe? Oh, yeah because you're a biased member of Kefka's camp. If anything you should have yet the vote go on too long, like until 10:00 or so. And its pretty much guarenteed that Kefka is going to win now. Remember this comment in a few days when he's won the whole Tournament. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Actually, I kinda wanted Vivi to win. Normally I'd change the fight sometime between 5 and 6 PM EST. The times I change the fights really late are usually on Tuesday nights when I have late night class or exams. | |||
I agree with BH, CSM. The Kefka/Sephiroth fight should go the full 24 hours. That's another two hours, which could be enough time for the vote to change. The fights should be fair.
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Even so you cannot deny that this isn't at all suspicious. Drake 1, is going to be pissed when he finds out that he didn't get a chance to vote. Though, on second thought, that kinds of makes this whole thing worth while. =) | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
Wow, CSM, I was about to say the same thing. Kefka won't have a chance when he goes up against Vivi. (Although in part to the large about of people who voted for Sephiroth that will be acting in revenge.......). | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I reopened the villain fight. It will be open for another hour and a half (maybe a little more), so thank me. | |||
It won't matter. Unless I can conjour up an army of Sephy fanboys in an hour, the battle is still lost. But now I know that we lost in valient fair battle. And I will make sure that Kefka does not win this Tournament. Count on it. I wouldn't mind seeing Vivi come away with the gold. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
THAT would be cheating. | |||
Well if you consider sacrifising a hobo to the Gods, you're a tad bit too late. The old druggie is already on my alter and its just a waste to not kill the guy when you've already put in all this trouble. Don't worry, he won't be missed. | |||
What the problem with voting on someone because you don't one the other one to win?It's perfectly fair | |||
If a few more dark ravens vote then Sephiroth will win and all the whining will be for naught. | |||
Sephiroth lost, and once again my faith in democracy has been shattered. I didn't think that you could shatter broken glass, but somehow the FFVI fanboys and the equally as fucking stupid FFVII fanboys did it. Especially you - FFVII fanboys - you brought this upon yourselves. Kefka got more than a couple votes just to spite you, and watch you cry once you lost. Now cry bitches, you deserve to feel like shit. As for me, I am Enlightened and thus will go on with my life. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
Does this mean you like Kefka more than Sephiroth now BH? Joking, joking! Don't shoot me! Don't sacrifice me! | |||
no 8bit, it means BH is open minded and like both this villains | |||
Dark raven - The Prince must wake soon or the Dark Raven will dominate! TALK - Drums > Guitar, and you know that I'm right. {{{time}}} | |||
Dudutsai, do you have something against dark ravens? :P | |||
Villain Bracket
1. Sephiroth - 12
2. Kefka - 14
Votes for 1. Sephiroth
- BlueHighwind: Despite Crazysword's sad display of fan wankery and pathetic attempts at logic I remain unconvinced. This is a game of opinions, not reason. And in my opinion Sephiroth owns. Plus he's cuter, which means so much to me for some odd reason. Perhaps I really am just another fangirl on the inside. Ahh, fuck it. Me and Sephy have had some good times, a few laughs, a few tears, but always the magic of a great character.
- Masamune: Crap, I forgot to prepare for this! I intended to peruse my FFVII script and find quotes that explain Sephiroth's sheer awesomeness. Well, nothing I can say is going to change anyone's minds anyhow, but Kefka was kind of boring. Oh, he says a couple "hilarious" lines and poisons a city or two. Then, he becomes a god! Wow, how original! Let's not forget that trademark laugh that Kefka fans pull out when they're getting desperate. And need I remind anyone that he's crazy for no reason? Come on, where's the backstory!? I've always gone with the theory that his mother didn't hug him enough and his daddy beat him for always putting on mommy's makeup. Sephiroth kicks Kefka's sorry clowning ass. Let's go through this, shall we? Kefka fans are quick to point out that Kefka became a god, something which no other villain has achieved, when in actuality, by the time Cloud and company reach the crater, Sephiroth has achieved, hence his Safer Sephiroth form. Plus, Kefka was only using power stolen from true gods. Dr. Doom breifly wielded the power of Galactus, but does anyone call him the best comic book villain ever? Well, yes, but for different and more legitimate reasons. Sephiroth got where he got on force of sheer will alone. I mean, even when he was dead, he could still almost destroy the world! Will Kefka ever come back after being killed? No, he won't. Ooo! I found a quote from Cloud: "Sephiroth's strength is unreal. He is far stronger in reality than in any story you might have heard about him." And, whether you agree with me or not, deep down, everybody knows that OWA is better than Dancing Mad. Not a lot better, but still better. Oh, and doubtless in this fight, someone on Kefka's side will pull out the "Kefka killed more people" thing. Kefka used poison, soldiers and stolen power to kill people. Sephiroth burned an entire town to the ground, mercilessly slaughtering up to 98% of the people living there, in the time it takes Cloud to walk out of the Shinra Mansion. That's like 30 seconds, tops. And anyone can kill helpless women, children, and old or weak men, but it takes a real warrior to kill a member of your super party. I hate to do this again, but if a serial killer murders four people on the street, and at the same time, another guy fights the Avengers or the X-Men and kills one of their members, who is the stronger? Wow, this is pretty long. I guess I'll wrap it up: Sephiroth rules! Kefka sucks!
- Chief:I just got a stupid edit conflict, so I'll be quick. I like both villians, but I wanna spite JBJ.Hahahaha!! P.S.This will be my last post for a while. I'll be gone all day tomorrow, so the earliest I'll do anything again is Thursday.
- User:Booff7:I never really liked Kefka. He was evil for no reason and I never felt I could never take him seriously (well, until the whole destroying the world and killing thousands of people by becoming a god thing came into play.) Anyway, Sephiroth though, was the best villain the world has ever known. He had motives, he looked awsome despite what anyone says, and his sword was insanely cool beyond beleif. Plus I beleive (with the exception of Garland, who used a sword when you first fought him) he is the only villain in FF to use a weapon. I'm pretty sure every other villain used some form or magic. I actually thought Gestahl was more of a villain than Kefka for most of VI. Plus, CSM whoever said that destroying more stuff made Kefka a cooler villain? Big deal, so he killed more people, he was still just some crazy clown with nothing better to do than try to destroy the planet. The major point here is that Sephiroth had a motive. I hate it when villains are evil just for the sake of being evil. Plus Sephiroth has the awsome sword, he looks cooler by a mile (then again, even Quina looks cooler than Kefka), and One Winged Angel is a much better evil theme than Dancing Mad. (Though personally I like Liberi Fatali the best.) Sephiroth is better than Kefka in just about every category, Kefka's nothing to him.
- Nelo: At least Sephiroth dresses better than Kefka. P.S: I hate clowns.
- TacticAngel: How many times does this fight have to play itself out... there are simply too many VI fanboys on this site and not enough Fans.
- Strife0913: Sephiroth > Kefka period.
- Scottyboy:Come on, Sephy is gettin beat by a clown! A friggin clown!
- Xblade: Sephiroth is the best villian of the series no question anyone who does not agree just cant accept the simple fact.
- Adam Mcduck: I've never liked villains that kill for the pure sake of just wanting to kill. For that reason alone, despite everything that Sephiroth is (which i won't bother saying as nearly everybody else has said it), Kefka doesn't get my vote.
- Dark raven: Sephiroth is the best villain ever, not just in the FF series. He's got style, he's got a big sword, and he's got no mercy. Kefka is just funny.
- Drake: I had detention today and so got home late, and I just got online now! Go Sephiroth!
- Cactuar83: Not even close.
Votes for 2. Kefka
- Crazyswordsman: Just what I need, another chance to prove why Kefka is better than Sephiroth. First of all, Kefka is from Final Fantasy VI, the best game in the series and the second best game of all time, whereas Sephiroth is from that hideously overrated FF7. Sephiroth killed four characters with names (Zangan, Aeris, Zack, and Cloud's Mom), whereas Kefka killed eight (Leo, Gestahl, Banon, Arvis, the Narshe elder, King Doma, Elayne, and Owain). Sephiroth destroyed one town (Nibelheim), while Kefka destroyed Doma, Mobliz, Tzen, South Figaro, and Narshe at the VERY LEAST. Kefka also killed more people than Sephiroth ever could, and, unlike Sephy, he actually obtained Godhood. Kefka also has a much better theme than Sephiroth throughout the game and during the final battle (Dancing Mad >>>>> OWA). Kefka also had no motive other than the personal joy he found in seeing others suffer, whereas Sephiroth thought he was doing what Jenova wanted him to do. Even if Kefka looks like a clown, that's certainly much more manly than looking like the goth prettyboy Sephiroth is. Plus, Kefka has the evil laugh that no other Square villain has, and Kefka has the best lines of any villain. And that, my friends, is why Kefka is far, far better than Sephiroth. Kefka is the definition of a villain that you love to hate. Thank you, and have a nice day.
- SmegHead: Kefka for me. As I said earlier somewhere else, Sephiroth is certainly an interesting, tragic, complicated character; but on the whole I do prefer Kefka as the ultimate evil villain.
- JBJ: Personally, Feolthanos owns 'em all. But, between these two, Kefka. At very least, Kefka changed the face of the world, achieved Godhood and ruled as he knew it. While Sephiroth destroyed Nibelheim and summoned Meteor, he didn't rule the world. Ruling the world is a feat usually only Ninjas can do.
- Alcaeus: Sephiroth is a bland villian. This is going to become an interesting battle.
- Hexed: As cool as Sephy was in AC, Kefka made more of an impression on me.
- FFFan4: 1)Personally Golbez/Zemus/Zeromus are my favorite villians but sadly they are not the best. The best is without a doubt Kefka. Kefka is the best villian in the whole series because he killed for his own passion and fun not because of his "mother". He is THE best villian of the whole series thus far and I think no one in the future can take it away from him. 2)FFFan and CSM said it all.
- Mymindislost: Oh shit, I didn't realize it was already time for this one. Haha! I'm voting Kefka to spite FFVII fanboys. :P
- Drake Clawfang;Oh, you cannot imagine the joy I felt when I came on to see Kefka winning. CSM said it all, but I'll say it again. Who's more impressive, the guy that killed 4 people, or the guy that killed 8? The guy that destroyed 1 town, or the guy that destroyed half a dozen? The guy that tried to become a god, or the guy that actually did? Kefka is better than Sephiroth in every way.
- Pablo618: mmm... I won't type an easy here, but good bye Q?ism...
- Maverick King Kefka. Cuz i like to see Sephy's hoes... i mean fanboys... cry when this debate comes up.
- 8bit_BlackMage: I think Masamune put up the best fight for Sephy here, so I'll set to debunking all of his points. 1) "Kefka isn't original! Sephiroth already became a god!" Ummm.....whose game came first? Kefka's? Oh. Then we could say that by the time Sephy became a god, Kefka already did it. And for a total freaking year, mind you. 2) "Sephiroth is better because he killed a party member! Kefka killing hundereds of innocent people doesn't match up to that!" Okay....if the death of Paris Hilton would drive you to tears more than September 11th, I consider you a sad person indeed. Plus, Aeris was kneeling totally defenseless when she got impaled. That's like shooting...well, a defenseless woman. 3) "Sephiroth took control by sheer will alone. Kefka has no backstory!!!" Results interest me more than methods. For all of Sephiroth's grand schemes, it took him several days to summon a meteor that didn't even hit the planet. Kefka blasted multiple cities on the planet with a beam of pure destruction.......right away.
- dudutsai: Sephiroth got old pretty quickly. He pretty much went around killing everything in his path, which was made better because you, the player (Cloud) had a past connection with him. Kefkas appearances were just as frequent as Sephiroth's, but he was a unique villain in that he was not amazingly powerful. He was a lucky crazy clown who somehow got his way to the top of the Empire and ended up taking over. Kefka was always an annoying nuicance, but instead of being defeated halfway through the game like Gilgamesh or Seymour, he became he ultimate villain because everyone just wished he would just die. Kefka was much more unique than Sephiroth. Plus Sephiroth being horribly overrated doesn't help either.
- Henryacores: Kafka is loony, cruel, inhuman and destroyed the world. Sephiroth lacks loonyness. Of course, Gilgamesh rocks, but even Kefka does more. Kefka is just...Kefka.
- User:Faethin: I'm a little drunk right now. Masamune's rant made me think something along the lines of "...WTF?". I had a better opinion about him. The Flame war is funny. I vote for Kefka. Take that, ffvii fanboy BITCHES.
FLAMEWAR!
TOTAL FUCKING HYSTERIA!!!
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 00:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Allow me to fire the first shot. BH, that certainly is a lot of fan wankery coming from yourself. | |||
I don't twist logic in a sad attempt to prove who is the better character. Such an act would be futile, and would gain nothing for my side. I can accept that others do not share my views, and can enjoy a nice chuckle at the bizzare circus acts of reason they employ to try and prove their point. Isn't that what this whole competition is about? I don't know where all this wisdom came from, but tonight I seem to have attained Nirvana. How strange. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 00:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Your entire argument is that Sephy is hot, which he isn't. | |||
I said "cuter" not "hot". You might find him hot, but I have yet to go down that road that far. If you must have evidence for cuteness, I hereby present Exihibit A: http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/the_flaming_Hinata_lover/Sephiroth.jpg | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
That picture does make Sephiroth look cute.^^ | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
Yay for fan-wankery!!!! | |||
If you want a truly sickening example of fanwankery: see Masamune's comment. Luckily I am above such foolishness because I am enlightened. I'm like Buddha, only less far and with smaller ear-lobes. | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
Agreed. | |||
JamaBenJamin - I don't want to kill you, but your to ugly to let live. TALK - It's Ben Jamin! Not Benjamin. 00:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Masamune, (insert lengthy pause), please read Kefka's page. | |||
Masamune22 - "Please allow me to introduce myself; I am a man of wealth and taste." TALK - Time is such a relative thing... | |||
I've read the page, I've heard people talking, I've played FFVI all the way through...Kefka is exhaustingly overrated. Call my post fanwankery if you must...OK, I have no defense. But I'm staying out of the comments page as I've already said all I need to say. | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
Yeah, Masamune there are times when having no reason to be evil is actually a good thing. An example of this is the villian, Iago from Shakespeare's play, Othello. Kefka probably does have a reason for hating people, it's just Square decided to keep the game from killing us with a boring backstory. Think "Frustrated Author Syndrome." Games are supposed to be about GAMEPLAY not a boring STORYLINE! My main reason for disliking FF7 is that it's not only just about the story, but the story is boring and confusing. | |||
I find it amazing, Masamune, that Kefka's power from absorbing the Warring Triad's power is stolen, while Sephiroth's power from absorbing the Lifestream isn't. And how Kefka using poison makes his kills less legit than Sephiroth using fire. Kefka becoming a God is unoriginal, remind me, what was it Sephiroth tried to do again? Oh yeah...
Let's try and avoid double standards in the future, ok? And Boof, to me, that was the whole point of Kefka, he's a goof at first, almost comic relief, you're fighting Gestahl and the Empire. Then he spins around and bitchslaps Gestahl, the party and the rest of the world, smiting all of them. Everyone under estimates him and doesn't consider him a threat, which is how he's able to work in the background to increase his power and eventually overthrow Gestahl. As for Kefka's backstory, read his page, he has one. But when it comes to evil, he just likes to see people suffer, it amuses him. What could possibly be more evil than finding fun in the agony and destruction of innocents? | |||
masamune, Dr. Doom is cool! | |||
Masamune22 - "Please allow me to introduce myself; I am a man of wealth and taste." TALK - Time is such a relative thing... | |||
Thank you, Pablo. Now, at the risk of sounding like a pompous jackass, here is my rebuttalto Alcaeus and Drake: As somebody who has actually read and written analytical essays on Othello, Macbeth, and Hamlet, Alcaeus, I know that every good villain has a motive. Macbeth was driven to murder and later insanity by his power-hungry wife, Claudius as well was after power, and Iago was just gay for Othello. Seriously, read the play carefully, it's all there. And Drake, poison is very different from fire, especially since Sephiroth created the fire, probably with the use of materia. Who decided Kefka's backstory anyway? I played through all of FFVI, and until somebody can direct me to where in the game his baskstory is described, I will consider the information on this site less than factual. There's a reason wikis provide a way to insert citations. However, if somebody can prove me wrong, I will admit to wrongdoing. | |||
I'll get CSM on that, I believe the extra info came from a Japanese booklet, or so the edit history for Kefka says. Diablocon can verify if we can find him. As for the poison, Kefka was proficient in poison spells, it may have been a magic-based poison, we'll likely never know.
And I've read Shakespeare too, and agree with all the above you said about Macbeth and Hamlet. Macbeth wasn't really a villain though, I just saw him as a little naive and easily manipulated by the true villains - the witches and his wife. | |||
Richard the Third beats both Macbeth and Iago. I am no actor but I have always wanted to play that guy on stage. He's just so awesome. | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
I don't remember ever saying anything about Macbeth or Hamlet. And I don't remember ever reading anything in Othello that proved Iago was gay for Othello (I may have thought it, but I've also said Cecil and Kain were gay for each other). It was a mistake for saying that Iago had no motive. What I should've said is that his motives are unknown, like Kefka. Tell me one point of that play where he reveals his motive. Unless I got a crappy abridged version, he never states his reason for doing what he did. Anyway if Kefka doesn't have a reason, why is killing all those people just for the Hell of it not the most evil thing a person can do? Also, killing people just for the Hell of it can be considered a motive. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 01:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I'm pretty sure the Ultimania says Kefka is Thamasan, and I think there was a rivalry between Kefka and Celes when they grew up together (and Kefka had a crush on Celes, a perverted one. So that makes Kefka just that more evil. | |||
JamaBenJamin - I don't want to kill you, but your to ugly to let live. TALK - It's Ben Jamin! Not Benjamin. 02:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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I want to see the Total Freaking Hysteria! | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
Ok Pablo. KEFKA IS LIEK THE BEST FF VILLIAN HE"S LIEK BETTER THAN THAT FUCKING EMO SPETHIROTHS KEFKA ACUTALLY KILLD PEOPLES ADN HES GOTS A BETTER ATTACKJ!!! There you go | |||
always here to help, hexed ^^. CSM, maybe this fight should be moved to somewhere else, it's getting ages to load... | |||
Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}} | |||
.... We all know Kefka's motive... He's just fucking insane.... He want's power and that's it. He doesn't need some other hidden agenda like the emo that is Sephiroth. He just wants to rule the world. He was a normal dude that became a lab rate for magicite testing and had his brain fried like Courtney Love on a kitty huffing spree. THAT'S his backstory! | |||
Mention Sephiroth and everyone has at least heard of him and has a basic idea who he is, but mention Kefka, and people will have no idea what you are talking about. That's what I mean when I say Sephiroth is overrated. Among FF fans, Kefka is probably more appreciated, but I'm sure there is a reason for that | |||
Goddamn that is a shit load of fanwankkery. What a sad moment for both sides. I wish you dipshits would just accept that both are awesome villians and stop making stupid fucking comments trying to weaken Sephiroth/Kefka. Frankly I'm more than a little annoyed by this whole argument - which will solve nothing, by the way. | |||
There sand in my shoes! that's why ^^ | |||
this fight is turning lame -.- | |||
JamaBenJamin - I don't want to kill you, but your to ugly to let live. TALK - It's Ben Jamin! Not Benjamin. 03:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Lets hope this works: | |||
BH, just by looking at the matchup for this fight you can expect underhandedness. But I take back what I said about Sephiroth getting old. That didn't start happening till KH. How did people come up with the word dipshit? | |||
Like pretty much every modern insult, I believe it is a passive-agressive insult to homosexuals. When engaging in gay sex, you "dip" your dick in the other guy's ass, which contians "shit", thus you are a "dipshit". Though this is just a wild theory, I have no way to prove or dispove it. | |||
Oh that makes sense. | |||
I agree with BH's earlier comment where he said that both these villians are awesomes so why try to weaken them? Also do you guys want us to split our vote into twos because someone asked us to.....earlier. | |||
Since you both use a single User Name, you can only get a single vote. It won't matter anyway, I have a bad feeling that Kefka is going to win this battle, which leaves only Tifa. Aww, fuck that sucks so much. | |||
I still feel that Sephiroth got a few more votes than he deserved. Scottyboy, for example voted for Sephy over Kefka even though he obviously hasn't touched VI. FFFan/Lancer, I think earlier they were simply confused. You already made your decision to vote together and voting seperatly would just further confuse people | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 05:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I'll allow them to count as two votes if we need a tiebreaker. | |||
Dudutsai, actually I have played both VII and VI. I am voting for Sephiroth because he kicks ass and I don't like Kefka as much as him. | |||
Masamune22 - "Please allow me to introduce myself; I am a man of wealth and taste." TALK - Time is such a relative thing... | |||
I think I might have reached BH's realization: This is nothing but a popularity contest. It doesn't prove anything if Kefka wins. Sephiroth is my favorite, and that's all that should matter to me. If Kefka's backstory really is in Ultimania, however, I still refuse to retract some previous statements, because, since I can't read Japanese, I have the happy ability to deny everything. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 18:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Well I had it translated, so there. | |||
Wow...this is the greatest read ever. On another thread, I said this was better than TV. I have been proved correct. This "flame war" is great! Made even more great that I don't really like one or the other more than the other, so I have no side. But 2 comments I have to make...1) CSM, you said that Kefka killed more named people, yet you said the Narshe elder...which isn't a name. 2) Alcaeus, you said games are supposed to have more gameplay than story. Sure gameplay is the biggest part, but in a lot of ways I place story above it. I really like a good story, and that's why I don't understand why people love Mario when the story is the same every, single, frickin' time, and its not that original either. Story is a big part of FF. Even the FF creator himself stated that he preferred to tell stories than concentrate on action, and therefore gameplay.
Oops...that was longer than I thought it would be...~Chocobo Knight
I've seen two votes for Kefka that were added only to insult FFVII fanboys. This is terrible reasoning because I've heard a whole lot of bullshit from both sides. Its not just FFVII idiots here, there are also a shit load of FFVI idiots, perhaps even more. So you just might want to rethink those votes. | |||
I don't feel this way, but perhaps people really do hate Kefka/Sephiroth as much as they say. After all, there are people who like VIII and X-2 | |||
You are exactly what I was talking about Dudutsai. Calling Sephiroth "overrated". If you didn't feel that way, then you shouldn't have written it. Its very simple: say what you mean, and mean what you say. | |||
After all, there are people who like VIII and X-2 Well they must live in a labyrinth with Theseus because they're obviously a creature of myth. | |||
Not true. I didn't hate VIII. It was subpar, yes, but not horrible to me. If you want a horrible FF game, try Mystic Quest. It's a lot worse than VIII, trust me.
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Hey I call Shenanagins. 5:00 is no time to end this battle, especially since yesterday's started at 7:00. We're ending way to early here. Drake 1, didn't even get a chance to vote, and we all know he wants to. Since pretty much the whole tournament is being decided here today, we should at least yet it go on longer than a mere 22 hours. Give it at least a day. | |||
In case I didn't make it clear, I did mean what I said. Sephiroth is overrated. | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
EDIT CONFLICT x2 Ya know, I actually considered making a sockpuppet to help boost Sephiroth's votes, but I see now that that is not the right path, and any of you out there that have sockpuppets or are sockpuppets should reveal themselves. I know for a fact that there is no good to come out of sockpuppetry. | |||
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| I'm add one voted for sephi.. that's alright?? sexy, cool or not is a matter of voter choose him..
@DrakemasterDraketalk: u know.. why battle two of them? why not include zeromuss or other. |
Theseus and I have tea every Sunday, thank you very much. Although it takes some time to find him, that labyrinth is fucking hard to navigate! | |||
Knight Bracket
2. Auron - 10
1. Kain - 14
Votes for 2. Auron
- Pablo618: Lately, the fights have been turning pretty hard, mental flip coin =(
- Hexed:CSM you think Kain will win by Jump, what about what'll happen if Auron uses Tornado.. Either way Auron is way more bad-ass
- SmegHead: Leaving aside the fact that Kain should have been in the "Misc" bracket along with Freya (probably the only other true Dragoon in the series); I won't say that either is superior, however Auron gets my vote as he would never have let a pussy like Cecil's brother mind control him. Auron would have raised an eyebrow behind those cool glasses of his, raised his awesome Masamune and chopped that litle fuckers head off. Then pulled off a Tornado just for kicks.
- TheSwordofDoubt:I vote for Auron.
- Masamune: Auron can wait calmly until Kain lands, then Power Break. Next turn, Defense Break. Kain is subsequently f&%*ed. Especially if Auron reaches Overdrive.
- BlueHighwind: For single-handedly saving FFX and for being the greatest badass in the whole series.
- Henryacores: My Auron killed Yu Yevon with an hit - I know it's not an important fact, but I had to flip a coin.
- Scottyboy4:He's probably one of the only guys that can still kick ass with partially grey hair.
- ChiefKakashi: Auron's awesome. (Since the Cheif is currently having internet problems he asked that I put his vote in for him. -BH)
- Cloudofdarkness: Auron all the way (Except fanboys, those I can live without.).
Votes for 1. Kain
- Crazyswordsman: Kain is a dragoon. This enough should warrant him the ability to trounce Auron because Kain stays airborne and can avoid all of Auron's attacks.
- Nelo: ah, the good ol' fight of the two badass, I go with Kain.
- Drake Clawfang:Kain is awesome.
- JBJ: For the sake of a rematch between Kain and Freya, I vote here.
- Strife0913: Kain is my fourth favorite character of the entire series. So...uh....yeah he gets my vote.
- GimliSam: I was about to vote for Auron, but then I remembered that Kain is from IV, and IV is far cooler than X.
- TacticAngel: I can't believe Auron got this far. He's terrible. Kain is pretty good though.
- PhoenixDew: These have all gotten so difficult!! Auron is such an honorable character, but I really never cared for him much when I first played FFX. Kain has always been intriguing to me, and the fact that he wasn't always honorable makes him more likable to me. He gets my vote for being another wonderfully tragic character.
- Alcaeus: Kain may have been a back-stabbing asshole, but that's only because his lover Cecil(Rosa was only a cover) betrayed him. Cecil then frequently made-out with the bitch in front of Kain to further damage their relationship. Anyway, Auron was boring and his Masamune didn't even look like a katana, so my vote goes to Kain.
- Faethin: Kain Friggin Highwind all the way.
- Maverick KingKain. Cuz he doesn't have to be "dead" to kick ass. C'mon, he can take on Bahamut all by himself. Let's see Auron do that.
- Adam Mcduck: Kain is better than Auron. Auron is good, but he's 'dead' and has his arm in a sling for no major reason (there might be one but i don't know about it if there is). Kain in DS looks great too.
- Drake: I'm not going to even type my reason out anymore.
- FFFan4: 1)Only reason is that if he beat Cecil then I'm voting for Kain all the way. Though he is in my top 10 characters :] 2)Kain is awesome he's one of my favorite characters of all time, if not my favorite.
New comments section (because Wikia's dumb censors won't let us post comments down below).
...Auron's losing. How is that possible with the people here. | |||
Comments
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 03:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
There was a video set on YouTube of Kain soloing Zeromus, but I can't seem to find it. But I do remember it was there. | |||
maybe Kain zeromus solo challenge? | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 03:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Kain's ability to Jump alone lets him avoid Tornado. He can avoid Big Bangs and Black Holes, a Tornado should be a walk in the park. | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
damn edit conflictSo CSM, who's Vivi going up against next round? | |||
Tomorrow it's the big one, the one we've all been waiting for. Screw the finals, tomorrow is the *real* climax of this tournament, and indeed, the entire wiki. I can't wait for the fanboys to clash.
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Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 03:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I don't know yet. It's gonna depend on a lot of things. I can tell you right now the winner of this fight's gonna face Freya; that's all I know. I think Balthier and Tifa will go up against each other. Vivi will probably go up against the winner of the Summons bracket, and the winning Cid will go up against either Kefka or Sephiroth. | |||
JamaBenJamin - I don't want to kill you, but your to ugly to let live. TALK - It's Ben Jamin! Not Benjamin. 04:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
If Kain wins this one we can have a rematch of the battle between Kain and Freya in the Colosseum. | |||
tomorrow Odin will look upon us with pity from the skies and then he will just let us die in a fight between two groups of fanboys, that will probably be the epitome of every fanboy fight and will make history upon this wiki... | |||
that was a lot of useless crap | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 06:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
And Kain would have avoided both the chop and the Tornado, like I said earlier. | |||
Kain's Jump is about all he has going for him, whereas Auron has first choice of the "Break" abilities, Guard, Sentinel, Threaten and Entrust (the ability that single-handedly won me the battles against Dark Ifrit, Dark Shiva and the Ultima Buster), plus he can cut through armour by default. Kain spends 75% of his battle time in the air, at least Auron gets to DO something. Really tho, I like both characters, but Auron wins due to my love of FFX | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 06:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Kain spends about 90% of his time in the air. And he can avoid ALL of Auron's attacks by virtue of him knowing how to Jump. | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
Auron can only use Tornado when he's in Overdrive, so he has to wait in order to use Tornado, whereas Kain can always use Jump. Plus Kain is faster than Auron, who is too slow to attack fast and aerial enemies. | |||
I wasn't strictly comparing them against each other in a fight, just commenting that Auron has a greater (sorry, Smeg, Wikia censored this word.) of skills at his command. Actually, fuck that! Auron could use Threaten and force Kain to stay on the ground. And don't tell me Kain would be immune, he was taken in by Golbez after all. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 12:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Part of the reason he allowed himself to fall under Golbez's control was because he wanted to impress Rosa. Also, Kain would avoid Threaten because he's airborne, too! And even when he is on the ground, his evade is so high that Auron will most likely miss him with his low hit rate. | |||
Masamune22 - "Please allow me to introduce myself; I am a man of wealth and taste." TALK - Time is such a relative thing... | |||
Any character that can wield the Masamune should be the winner. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 12:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
You know as well as I do that Auron can't hit the backside of a barn when it comes to characters who can actually evade attacks, like Kain (Kain has a naturally high Evade stat). And if any character that can wield the Masamune should be the winner, Frog would pwn everyone's asses. The best video game character ever, that Frog. | |||
I'm surprised BH, voting against the Dragoon, the Highwind even.
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Masamune22 - "Please allow me to introduce myself; I am a man of wealth and taste." TALK - Time is such a relative thing... | |||
I stand by what I said. Once you get around Auron's Sphere Grid section, he can really hit most any enemy in the game, even the ones with higher evasion. And while Frog's character was multi-layered and well-developed, his usefulness in battle was low. There was nothing he could do that Crono or Marle couldn't do better. | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Masamune, please, Frog is the most kickass character out of all of Square's ganmes that aren't Final Fantasy VII. | |||
All I know is that Auron - who is one the list of the Greatest Thing Ever, as I'm sure you know - shouldn't be losing this badly. I like Kain and all, but Auron is just so awesome in so many ways it truly is frightening. And Masamune is right. Send Auron down Tidus's path and he is a frightening God of upstopable power. | |||
Mage Bracket
1. Vivi - 19
2. Rydia - 11
Votes for 1. Vivi
- BlueHighwind: Rydia may have hips, tits, lips, and a fine ass, but Vivi is Vivi. Its really unfair to Rydia, but again this is Vivi we're talking about.
- Mymindislost: I just love Vivi. No contest for me. ^_^
- 8bit_BlackMage: Vivi has Doomsday and Rydia doesn't. THE Black mage of the series. VIVI ALL THE WAY!!!
- Alcaeus: Wow, I actually made it in time to vote in the Mage Bracket! Here are my reasons for voting for Vivi: Vivi overcame his fear of death. Rydia overcame her fear of fire. Rydia has Black and Summon magic. Some people may think that is awesome, but it's overkill on the elemental magic. Doomsday is way more useful than Bahamut or Meteor. Equip Pumice Pieces to your party, and Doomsday will heal more HP than a Curaga spell, while dealing damage to the enemies. Rydia completely ignored Edge when he tried to get her in his pants. Come on woman, he's a hunk and he's attracted to you despite your puke-green colored hair!
- Zario: My Favorite Character of course!
- PhoenixDew: Vivi is so cool!! He is such the epitome of Final Fantasy, and I feel like all of huge Rydia fans have fleshed out her character more in their minds, because frankly, I wanted more character development for her. But hopefully the upcoming DS version will change all that, and she is my Favorite Pre FFVI character :)
- Faethin: Vivi. Rydia is great, but I wish Terra were here.
- SmegHead: Both are great but Vivi's story is the clincher for me. He is such a wonderful character.
- Nelo: Same as the Knight's Bracket I flipped a coin.
- GimliSam: Vivi is about my favorite character ever. Vivi wins.
- Azul: Vivi gets my vote. Rydia is 7 and people think she's hot. That's just wrong sure she doesn't look it but she is. If a 7 year old had a body like Rydia's would you still drool over her? I rest my case. Vivi is the coolest!!!!
- Blue。 Vivi. That is all.
- TacticAngel: I support Vivi. Rydia is just fan-service.
- TheSwordofDoubt: I don't even need to say it. Vivi was all that stood between me and a Game Over at the pages(?) of Tantarian when I fought him in FF IX on Disc 3. And he did it. Need I say more? =D
- I disliked Rydia as a child, actually, but older, she was cooler. That said, I think the whole "time moves faster in Summoned Monster Land" thing is a bit of a weak plot point I still like her though...but Vivi was so cool, so he was my fav mage! Go Vivi! You rock! You're awesome! You're also not real, so I don't know who I'm talking too...oh well, I can wish...~Chocobo Knight
- Adam Mcduck: Rydia still does, and probably always will, annoy me really badly. Vivi rocks, so he easily gets my vote.
- Masamune: Vivi is straight ballin'.
- Drake: It pains me to do this, but Vivi is so much more awesome than Rydia. This guy's got it all. Spells, personality, partners, and he gets all the ladies! Vivi rocks!
- Cactuar83:Rydia could never beat Vivi in combat his eyes are so totally sweet!!!
Votes for 2. Rydia
- Crazyswordsman: I don't think Rydia will beat Vivi, and I don't know who I like better, but Rydia has Summons and Vivi doesn't. So...
- Darkcloud:This is kinda unfair, Rydia ,as BlueHighwind so expertly put it, is a hot girl. Where Vivi is a Black Mage, and knows only Black magic. Rydia has Summons too, and can have summons do her dirty work.
- dudutsai: Rydia was stronger for sure, and had a better story too. Vivi's existance got old quick.
- FFFan4: 1)Possibly the best female in all of FF. Awesome black mage AND summoner, though I really like Vivi too. 2)Vivi is awesome and I'm really torn but Rydia has summons.....
- Drake Clawfang:My user page says it all. Rydia is awesome, truly awesome. She's hot, a Summoner, a Mage, independent, strong-willed...she's my fav female now. Vivi is awesome, and once I finish FF IX I'm sure I'll like the little guy more than I do now. But Rydia is Rydia. And nothing can challenge Rydia for supremacy of magic. A Summoner and a Black Mage - not much can stand up to such a combination.
- JBJ: Rydia controls Bahamut. She'll win any fight with him.
- Chief:Iam voting here because she's hot (not as good as Tifa ,though) and she controls Bahamut(good choice JBJ).
- User:Booff7: I actually agree with dudatsai, people say Vivi's whole crisis about life and death did get old after a while. I'm not a huge Vivi fan and Rydia is an awsome character. Plus I like the fact you get to play as her when she is a child and an adult, that is something no other character has done. Rydia was awsome, Vivi was just O.K.
- Pablo618: =(
- Hexed:My hardest vote so far, I loved Vivi so much in IX i named him after myself, but Rydia has Bahamut and boobs
- Scottyboy4:I geuss green hair is a turn on for me. Also, Rydia was apart of a better game.
Comments
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
Who does the winner of this bracket*cough*Vivi*cough* face next? | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 00:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I'm going to decide this once everyone wins the fights. | |||
Boy, does your vote sound familiar. | |||
1)Her hair is not puke green!!!! >:0!!!!! 2)Yeah it is. Don't listen to him. | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
Rydia should have been either a Black Mage or a Summoner, not both. It makes one of her skills completely useless, since black magic and summoning magic are basically the same with only a few minor differences. | |||
In the context of IV at least, wrong. Summons include Leviathan, Asura, Odin and Bahamut, which are effects that Black Magic does not include. Black Magic includes Firaga, Blizzaga, Thundaga, Death, Weak, Drain, Osmose, which are effects Summon Magic does not include (and don't try using Ifrit/Shiva/Ramuh, they're weak). So Rydia gets the best of both worlds.
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AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
But, by the end of the game Leviathan, Asura and Odin are too weak. Bahamut is about the same as Meteor except it is weaker and uses less MP, which are both minor differences. | |||
This is a difficult decision, My 2 favorite Magic-Users. It took me a while to vote | |||
Oh, BH, you said Rydia has "hips, tits, lips, and a fine ass". But you forgot the legs. Come on man, look at her! How you forget the legs? Rydia has legs too, great ones at that!
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AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
Well, of course she looks good, she's fake. | |||
She's real enough when I'm asleep.
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Wow, close, very close. Although I'll be sad if my darling Rydia loses, I'll be almost as happy to see Vivi go on. The final four Mages were ones I all liked.
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Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 04:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Well, of course we had to weed out the dregs like Yuna and Aeris early on. | |||
LOL I'm glad Azul brought up the whole seven years old thing for Rydia, I had forgotten that... looks like we have a lot of cradle robbers among us | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
Azul, we can dream can't we? | |||
Someone didn't pay attention to the game, Azul! Time flows differently in the Summoned Monsters' realm. Rydia was gone for a few weeks, maybe a month or so, to Cecil and co. But in SM Realm time she was there for years. Physically, mentally, in every way, she grew up there normally. She's not 7. If you take a 6 years old kid, and age them 10 years overnight, does that mean they're still 6? No it doesn't.
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Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 06:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Good Drake, none of them pay attention to the games. If they did they'd know Jenova is the one controlling Sephiroth and that Vayne is just using the "History Back in the Hands of Man" ploy to legitimize his oppressive, human supremacist, dictatorial empire. | |||
Whatever. People are still voting on looks, excuse me boobs and summons. | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
DrakeClawfang, there's something you forgot about Vivi. He learns the spell Water, which is just as useful as Leviathan, especially when everyone has Reflect on or Vivi has Reflectx2. Plus not many enemies are actually weak vs. water anywho. His spell Doomsday can HEAL the party while damaging the enemies. Let's see Rydia do that. Asura is too random and her Cure2? spell just isn't effective near the end of the game. And Odin and Death spells are mostly useless. I tend to kill most monsters fairly quickly anyway. P.S. if you want to fantasize about ole' green-crotch, go ahead, but eww... | |||
If a seven year old boy had Rydia's body, then according to physical, genetic, and social definition he would he be a nineteen-year-old girl. And since I have yet to observe any signifigant difference between the personalities of men and women (other than slight sexual competition brought on by one's physical form), I can safely say that I have no problem in that. How would "he" even be a "he" anymore, now we're in "she" territory. And do I ever love "she" terrority - just not the fat tribes. | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
BH, comments like that are the ones that have made you my favorite FFWiki user. | |||
I fail to see how Reflect makes Leviathan useless. And as fopr Doomsday, it doesn't sound like a Black spell. Black magic does not heal, it damages, the only black spells that heal are Dragon and Osmose. No exceptions.
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8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
Master Drake, let me enlighten you on this. Doomsday is A Shadow-elemental spell that damages both enemies and the party. A giant flaming meteor of darkness sounds pretty Black magic to me. Your party can gain HP from the spell if they are wearing Shadow-absorb equipment (i.e, Pumice Pieces). | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
I never said reflect made Leviathan useless, I meant that casting Water on all of the characters with Reflect status reflects it back on the enemies for twice the normal amount of damage it usually does. It's a well known and useful tactic for Black Mages. | |||
Masamune22 - "Please allow me to introduce myself; I am a man of wealth and taste." TALK - Time is such a relative thing... | |||
Vivi was insanely useful. Dark absorbing gear+Doomsday=Damaging enemy while healing allies. On a completely different note, can the person who murdered the english language on my User Talk page own up to it? It's obviously someone who follows this thread since they responded to something I wrote here and they seem to know me well since they said everything they could think of to aggravate me personally. I actually think it's kind of funny. | |||
It was a User called Asheiscool. They have been warned. Once for making idiotic insults, and a second time for murdering the English language. | |||
Ah, thank you, my disciple. That makes sense, such a combo is also usable in FF VI with Meltdown, a Fire/Wind-attack that hits enemies and the party. As for Water and Reflect, check that too.
It is sad to see my darling Rydia lose, but she made it to the top 16, and Vivi, almost as cool and still a respectable candidate, makes it to the top 8. The cute 'lil guy will likely have my vote next round. | |||
Monks, Gamblers, Berserkers, and Gogo Bracket
4. Wakka
2. Tifa - 15
4. Wakka - 9
Votes for 2. Tifa
- BlueHighwind: Tifa punched out a robot. There is nothing more badass. Wakka should just put on a Klan Robe and start burning crosses, the damn rascist.
- Drake: No character pre-IX had a good body, and that's not why I like Tifa. I like her because she's a good character. Good personality, fighting style, limit breaks, etc., etc. I don't know how Wakka made it this far.
- ChiefKakashi: Tifa versus Wakka?? The only way this could be considered a real competition is if it were Tifa Lockhart versus Lara Croft.
- Hexed: Wakka sucked in cutscenes, but Tifa was f-ing awesome in AC, and hot.
- PhoenixDew: Another really tough one!! But I have to go with Tifa because she had such a unique and tragic role as a female lead whose feelings are never truly reciprocated. Wakka also really irritated me with his anti-al bhed attitude.
- Pablo618: I'll vote for tifa because I don't care for this fight and to piss CSM a little. TIFA IS HAWT!!!!! SHE HAVE THE BIGGEST BASCKETBALLS I'VE EVER SEEN! (how's that ;))
- dudutsai: Based on her awesome performance in AC. Also she has one of the best quotes in FFVII: "I'll smash them" (Which is a good response to Maverick King's vote.
- Masamune: Well, it looks like it was a good decision to drag myself out of my sickbed for this fight. I missed Balthier vs. Fran, but the outcome was the only one acceptable. Tifa serously needs to beat Wakka. He's an oaf! A stupid, racist, oaf! Tifa's just awesome.
- Nelo: I rarely use Wakka, since I'm more familiar with Tifa's gameplay, I vote for her.
- User:Booff7: Wow, I thought this would be the most one sided fight we'd have. Anyway, again I am not voting for Tifa because of her looks but the fact that she was a great character. I have nothing against Wakka, but he doesn't compare to Tifa.
- FFFan
- Blue。 It's Tifa for me! Yes yes yes! And I think racist doesn't apply to Wakka. He's more of a religious zealot. That's why he hates Al Bhed, I'm pretty sure about that.
- Henryacores - Tifa, for being the one who 'can' like Cloud fcr his natural self -.-.
- Adam Mcduck: Tifa was one of the best characters in VII. Wakka is more annoying and uses the ball of a sport as a weapon. Compared to Tifa's fists it's rubbish.
- TacticAngel: Tifa is probably the best monk of all time so she gets my vote.
Votes for 4. Wakka
- Crazyswordsman: I will do all within my power to keep people from talking about the way Tifa looks.
- Azul: Wakka gets my vote because he's better than Tifa and he has more presence, ya know?!
- JBJ: I vote here.
- Mymindislost: Going with Wakka. Sure, he was kinda conservative/racist for most of the game, but he learned the error of his ways by the end. I think that counts for something. I like him. ^_^
- Maverick King Cuz Wakka's got balls! God, that was a crappy pun...
- SmegHead: Wakka baby! One of the most underappreciated characters.
- Lancer4
- Scottyboy:Just because
- Cloudofdarkness:Wakka is a better fighter then Tifa, also, Wakka hates Al-Bhed because he blames them for his brother's death. Also CSM, Tifa has big BOOBIES.
Comments
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
And that includes banning people who vote for Tifa for the sole reason that she's "attractive" (or any synonym thereof) or that she has large "knockers" (or any synonym thereof). | |||
I *was* gonna vote for Tifa based on the fact she *is* cute, but I think I'll abstain this time.
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Hey, Good Drake wanted to vote, but now he can't out of fear of being banned. The tyranny has descended - a gestapho bent on forcing that idiot Wakka into the finals. My God what has become of this wiki! Its a madhouse!! A MADHOUSE!!! | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Okay, I said that can't be the SOLE reason. I.e. you can mention it along with other reasons (like the fact that she's the only rational character Nomura ever created, which is why I like Tifa). | |||
Than why vote Wakka? -He's an idiot rascist fundamentalist who fights with a beachball. | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Well, other Drake, if CSM bans you for voting for Tifa because she's cute you can always go to the titans over at Wikia. Titans > Gods. CSM is just a lowly god. He can not punish you as severly as he can be punished! Vote, Mr. Clawfang, vote! | |||
I'd back you up. I've been banned before, and I'm certain that I'll be banned again someday. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
For all of you who hate Wakka because he's a racist, he reforms. | |||
Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}} | |||
At least Wakka had a reason (however minute it is) for hating Al Bheds. It's not like he one day just popped a white sheet over his head and started drawing swatstikas. | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
EDIT CONFLICT 2x You can never really reform from being racist. And don't forget he ate up all of mama Yevon's lies for about 2/3 of the game. I feel it is sad that Tifa only has two votes against Wakka. Are we becoming just like that other forum, where Laguna beat Kefka and Squall beat Vivi? It seems like it. | |||
Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}} | |||
Haha. Once again Drake goes shooting his mouth. How do you know? Personally, I disagree but that is a matter of opinion and I don't think we wanna get into an argument about it. That is a vile comparison and should never be used to describe this wikia because your beach babe is losing right now. Relax, this forum has only been up for an hour or two. There be some more votes. | |||
Why Drake 1? Why? | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 23:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Pissing me off is a very valid reason to vote for Tifa and say she's hot. I don't mind being made fun of. | |||
Then why did you ban me a while back for writing BOOBIES on my vote? I do love double-standards, it makes me feel so special. =) | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Lancer and FFFan, no explanations? And I thought you were voting as one or not at all now? | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 23:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
BH. because, you weren't doing it to piss me off. | |||
Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}} | |||
actually, they voted down here in the comments instead of the actual "voting booths" I simply corrected them. | |||
Yes I was. My exact words were "oh and just for Crazyswords: BOOBIES!" | |||
I will say something random, Wakka is a great character, one of the most powerful at the beginning of the game and I really liked him, between him and Tifa I didn't know who chose so I chose tifa to take the opportunity to piss CSM a little (thing tha didn't work =( ) | |||
Drake1, this is not a perfect place. People are entitled to their opinions, even though sometimes they are horribly wrong (Mog v. Montblanc, Orlandu v. Retard). Please don't compare to this to that site just because people don't agree with you. At least we have played both games. Also, FFFan4 and Lancer4 voted opposites, canceling each other out. I'm assuming there is no need for further explanation..... That came out a lot more insulting than it was supposed to. | |||
Uh.....why did you guys try to put us for Tifa? We're not voting on this battle because we have a split decision. I (FFFan) vote for Tifa but my brother (Lancer4) votes for Wakka. Uh...we appreciate it but our votes would just cancel each other out so it doesn't matter, but I guess we'll put them back up there. 1)Tifa is way better than Wakka, though not because she is better looking. lol. Anyways her limits are one of the best in the whole game because they chain together and storywise she is one of the best. She is just awesome. 2)Tifa is overrated. She's just hot that's all and Wakka was one of the better characters in FFX, in battle. | |||
I love how when the character people don't want to win is winning they start saying that everyone just votes for them for stupid reasons like SHES HAWT!!! | |||
are we gonna degrate ourselves to "Tifa is teh sexy" like that forum did? | |||
Masamune22 - "Please allow me to introduce myself; I am a man of wealth and taste." TALK - Time is such a relative thing... | |||
Hey, Tifa is divine. Anyone who wants to vote for Tifa because she's damn fine should be entitled to. However, this should only apply to Tifa. If I catch anyone else voting for Ashe for that reason, I will apply the blood eagle. | |||
Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}} | |||
Ah Ashe. The filipino prostitute of Dalmasca. | |||
Tifa looks very respectable by FF standards. I wouldn't hold anything against her for not wearing much in the way of clothing. She continues a tradition started by the, lets say, conveniently dressed Rydia. As far as her appearance in Advent Children, it would make her one of the more thoroughly dressed FF women in a while and her performance in Advent Children, while ultimately not-quite-good-enough, was impressive to watch. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
"The filipino prostitute..." You've got a half-Filipino right here. Maybe you would like some black dog shoved down your throat? | |||
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Break it up. I don't think MK meant anything offensive about that comment (which didn't really make any sense, but we should stay on topic here). However if you don't threaten the man, I'm sure MK will apologize. I sure hope he wasn't intentionally trying to insult anyone other than Ashe. | |||
AlcaeusTheWizard - is now actually contributing...well, not really TALK - Force shites upon Reason's back. -Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1736. {{{time}}} | |||
How in the nine circles of Hell did Wakka get this far!? | |||
Thieves and Hunters Bracket
1. Balthier - 13
3. Fran - 6
Votes for 1. Balthier
- Crazyswordsman: Best character of the post-FFVI era hands down. He has a kickass voice actor (better than Fran's), the best lines in FFXII and probably in the entire series, and he's just all around cool.
- BlueHighwind: Baltheir single-handedly save FFXII's storyline. If it wasn't for his witty remarks and incredible voice acting the story would have become WAY too serious and over-dramatic for its own good. Plus I should let my brain do the thinking instead of my dick for at least one round of the tournament.
- Scottyboy:He's the leading man.
- Mymindislost: I love both of these characters, but Balthier definitely takes it for me.
- PhoenixDew: How can I not vote for the leading man? Plus without him Fran would be pointless :p
- Pablo618: Balthier is better but still, Fran is cool
- SmegHead: I've got no complaints about any of the FFXII characters, even Penelo and Larsa; but in this instance, Balthier just kills!
- Nelo: I vote for the Leading Man!
- Hexed: He has teh best lines in FFXII.
- DarkCloud:Balthier is the best charecter the best final fantasy (yes, its better than FFVII or X or VI)
- Adam Mcduck: Fran is a bit useless in my opinion. Also Balthier is one of the best XII characters.
- dudutsai: Fran should never have made it this far.
- Maverick KingHas some of the best lines in FFXII
Votes for 3. Fran
- Azul: Fran gets my vote. She is the reason why I play FFXII!!! She is one of my favorite Female Leads.
- Drake: If Eileen was here, she would say that Ashe is the main herione of Final Fantasy XII, wouldn't she? Well, that doesn't have anything at all to do with my vote, I just wanted to once again remind everyone the silly reasonings of Eileen, and her use of that stupid word herione. Anyway, the only reason I'm voting for Fran instead of Baltheir is because her quickenings are cooler than Baltheir's so far, plus she's stronger than him. AND I lover her voice. Baltheir is just a bad ripoff of Han Solo.
- Henryacores: If Balthier is Han Solo, Fran is Chewbacca...ZOMG! -1st- Fran is strong, cool and I love her script on XII and RW (she's like Auron, she only talks when she needs to talk, and whenever she talks she says it right) :) -2nd - She's like, Ultra-hot and easily the best character on the cast -3rd- Vieras own Wookies.
- Pikmin Master: I give them both credit for being the reason why to play FFXII. If I had a chance to play this game, since I don't have a PS2/3 and all, I'll always use these two. I choose Fran because she's the only playable Viera in the game (I don't know about RW, though) and you all know how many people here have Viera obsessions, especially, *gulp* Kyu, and that includes yours truly.
- Fran, because as much as Balthier does rock, Fran is hot. And that isn't the only reason. I'm starting to think there is as many Balthier fanboys as there is Cloud or Seph fanboys...and they annoy me most of the times. So Fran it is! She isn't gonna win anyway though, so I guess its a bit of a pity vote too ~Chocobo Knight
- Blue。 I remember voting for Balthier at least once, and Fran all the time. That will not change even now.
Comments
If Balthier is a rip off of Han Solo, then wouldn't Fran be a rip off of Chewbacca? | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Yup, but I had to vote for one, and since Fran's quickenings are cooler than Baltheir's, I chose Fran. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Nobody's Quickenings are better than anyone elses, sadly. | |||
Wait if Baltheir is Han Solo, then that makes Vaan Luke Skywalker, which is total bullshit. Luke is actually a good hero, Vaan just ruins every scene he's in. Plus the back of his hair looks like a chicken's ass. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Vaan is more like...Anakin Skywalker. In fact, Square told me in the next Ivalice game it'll be revealed that Vaan is actually Darth Streetrat. And Han never took Luke on as an apprentice the way Balthier did to Vaan. | |||
Forgive me if I'm wrong, and I don't know about the ending of the game but I must object. Balthier said quite clearly and with some distain that Vaan is not his aprentice to Reddas. The very thought of such an arrangement makes my skin crawl. | |||
JamaBenJamin - I don't want to kill you, but your to ugly to let live. TALK - It's Ben Jamin! Not Benjamin. 04:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Why does this fight feel one-sided? Edit: Oh, and Crazyswords? If you feel that way about Vaan, don't play Revenant Wings. | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
No, Vaan is not Luke, because sadly Square Enix decided just to rip off some of the qualities of Star Wars {and it's own history, evil empires are the new crystals) but failed to take all the good stuff. The good stuff they did take was all screwd up. Han Solo is not supposed to have a british accent. And I just know someone, probaly CSM, will tell me he's not Han Solo, and to stop being such a bitch. These fights will go on forever. Well, at least until December 23, 2012. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 06:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I wasn't planning on playing Revenant Wings. Drake 1, what's happening on December 23? | |||
JamaBenJamin - I don't want to kill you, but your to ugly to let live. TALK - It's Ben Jamin! Not Benjamin. 06:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
I have a question for, anybody. What really is so bad about Vaan? I'm no fanboy (heaven forbid) but really? | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Sorry, my mistake. I fixed it. It was wrong before because I didn't have enough caffenie in my system. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 07:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Vaan's main problem is that he doesn't contribute anything to the mission except another body. | |||
Yeah he gets lost in the story, and is just there sometimes not really doing anything. | |||
Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}} | |||
Story-wise he is teh shitness, but Vaan actually statistically by the information in my strategy guide has the highest average stats. | |||
Nothing is going to happen on Dec. 23, 2012. That is because the world will have ended two days earlier on Dec. 21, 2012 - the day the Mayan Calander ends. And we all know that Earth cannot exist without the Mayan Calander. I call it "the day the music will die". | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - {{{time}}} | |||
Ugh, please don't stir up that stupid Don McLean song in my head. My parents have already subjected me to enough replays of those 9 minutes of pure crap. | |||
JamaBenJamin - I don't want to kill you, but your to ugly to let live. TALK - It's Ben Jamin! Not Benjamin. 16:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Listen to Weird Al's version. It's not as long and it's about Star Wars. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 16:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Star Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars, nothing but Star Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars! | |||
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
I heard that they weren't sure if it was the 21st or the 23rd. Well, at least I'll be here to see the end of the world anyway. And the day the mayan calender started? 8/13. My birthday. This proves once and for all that I am the chosen one to rule the world. Don't ask me what year it started though. | |||
That's interesting, DMD. I do believe something could happen in 2012. But here's the thing. Nostradamus predicted three anti-Christs: Napolean, Hitler, and "Mabbas". Reverse that, and you get "Saddam". My real name is Adam.
So I guess if you're the one who has been chosen to rule the world, then I'm the one chosen to destroy it. :D | |||
The reverse of Mabbas is Sabbam. And if you mean mirror it, then it becomes gibberish, because S in a mirror doesn't work. | |||
That's what I meant by reverse, mirror it, and drop the gibberish S. And you get Addam. My time shall come!
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(Continuing star wars theme) then Ashe would be princess leia, and Basch would be Obi-Wan Kenobi. | |||
What would that make Vossler? | |||
If he joined the good guys again, Lando. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 21:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Ashe is more like Mon Mothma and Basch is more like Bail Organa (Leia's (adoptive) father). If you haven't heard of them, both are in the movies. | |||
Maverick King - You are not a Snake and I am not an Ocelot. We are men with names. TALK - When the lambs stopped screaming {{{time}}} | |||
Guess who Darth Vader is? And Drake..... There can only be one highlander... | |||
Asheiscool I dont like either of them much, they seem too old. I prefer not to have any grass on my playing field...
DrakemasterDrake - "I would rather live a short life of glory than a long one of obscurity." TALK - {{{time}}} The clock on this site is so messed up, why bother? | |||
Gabranth is Vader. And yes, there can be only one highlander, but I'm from Queens, NewYork, not the highlands of Scotland, so you'll have to pick a fight with somebody else, I'm a diffrent kind of chosen one. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:22, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
Let's move this discussion somewhere else. | |||