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		Ser Blue says at 11:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
		Hullo. Today I would like to remind users who are utilizing a Talk Text Template / talk bubble in their conversations within talk pages this: "Please add a timestamp into your talk bubbles". In wiki conversations, it is encouraged to leave a signature to identify one as the author of the block of text. It is considered good wikiquette to do so, as it helps others to keep track of discussions, and to understand who holds which opinions. One needs only to write four tildes to do so. While three or five tildes is okay, four is more encouraged, as it includes both your name and the timestamp to show when you leave a statement. The same is still applied when using talk bubbles. There should be a timestamp for everyone so that they know when such opinions are left. However, this seems to be disregarded by a large number of users here. This is regrettable, and because of this, something must be done. As of 11:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC), users are compelled to create a means to leave a timestamp and use them in their talk bubble. There will be a time when enforcement is carried out, and those who still have not the means to leave a timestamp in their talk bubbles will have their talk bubble locked for editing. Those who attempt to bypass this by creating another talk bubble will have this other talk bubble deleted and user subsequently blocked from editing. Of course, you might think this is somewhat tyrannical, but hey, I had to do something when people still haven't got the message I left for the past years. Thank you for your cooperation.

Finally. I've been secretly hating all of youz that didn't use it. O.O  ILHI ^{14:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)}

For those of you who used to use a signature (as in a text signature instead of the timestamp) previously: Rather than displaying {{{time}}} where it used to be, you can add:

{{#if:{{{time|}}}|{{{time}}}|[past sig]}}

This will substitute the "{{{time}}}" on all old uses of the template where no timestamp was present with your old signature.

That is alright, isn't it Bluer? Because it's not as if someone' going to add the time to all old templates so they're just going to be missing something forever.  ILHI ^{15:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)}

My signiture already has a timestamp. Do I copy that code for my bubble, ILHI, or is there a different one? BlueLionheart (^T/_C) 16:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Implemented. From now on type:

{{BlueLionheart|time=~~~~~|talk=[something]}}
or
{{BlueLionheart|talk=[something]|time=~~~~~}}

  ILHI 16:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 19:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
		I approve of this too, as it annoys me when things aren't time stamped. Even something as simple as archiving my talk page is annoying since I can't use the talk templates to check what the dates should be. More major things like not knowing when a certain conversation took place is also annoying and can result in akward responses and the like. Of course, timestamps aren't infallible, since some people don't read them. A very recent example here. Not only is he responding to something I said in September, but he didn't even answer my question anyway. -_-

TacticAngel TALK 19:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC) Tactic Angel approves!

Coraircate SAYS - Feb. 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM Maybe I can do it.

You only have to type

~~~~~

to add the time y'know?  ILHI ^{21:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)}

		1stclasswarrior - Meus vita , meus diligo , meus lily of sanctimonia... TALK - 22:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
		Is my template like O.K this?

		Diablocon - No, the question is; who art thou, ham planks? Shanks! I meant shanks TALK - 22:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
		Yes, your template is tiem stamped.

		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 22:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.
		DSS disapproves, but is cooperating but he does not wish to get banned, which is what would have happenned. If you can't simply check the page's history...

		BlueHighwind Q? 00:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC) TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:
		BlueHighwind is annoyed by having to add in this extra code all the time, but understands Bluerfn's logic. By the way, BlueHighwind is looking for some kind of code that will replace the "{{{time}}}" dead code on all his past uses of his Word Bubble with something else, since he's used it about 5000 times in all, and doesn't like all of those bubbles to have a mistake on them.

		Born from Darkness Talk · Contribs 02:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
		What ILHI said, put {{#if:{{{time|}}}|{{{time}}}|}}

Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / / 06:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC) ? I think my template is starting to get too long. Oh well.

		Griffen78 - who needs high hp when you got a smexy jacket like this? TALK - griff 07:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
		ok I added time stamp,just seeing if it works

		Griffen78 - who needs high hp when you got a smexy jacket like this? TALK - griff 07:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
		I can't get it to work

Type five tildes (~~~~~) not four (~~~~). Also, you forgot the equals sign.  ILHI ^{10:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)}

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		AuronKaizer - Monkey chit. TALK - Time time knocked me out of my mind. {{{time}}}
		Heh, here comes the Nazi Punk Conformist brigade! --AuronKaizer(...Kaizer!) 20:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

		Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox {{{time}}}
		I have one minor issue with this. I've always had a timestamp in my bubble and its only in the last few days ive removed it. Why, you ask? Simple. It's quicker to type <font= black> {{GB2ktalktext|test=Blahblahblah}} than {{GB2ktalktext|time=~~~~~|text=Blahblahblahblah}} I appreciate that this comes across as somewhat argumentative, and one could argue that I could keep the template on my clipboard. However on that note I argue that my clipboard is a very busy place. If you have a way for me to incorporate the timestamp in an automated fashion, I will implement it. But until such a time, my apologies, it will stay as is.

So laziness. Instead of {{{time}}}, change it to {{{1}}}

{{GB2ktalktext|~~~~~|text=Blahblahblahblah}}

Requires less thought. Of course, on your talkbox, you should add:

{{#if:{{{time|}}}|{{{time}}}|{{{1}}}}}

That code will use the "time" parameter for everytime you used {{{time}}} but will ask for {{{1}}} if on a talkbox you didn't use {{{time}}}.  ILHI ^{23:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)}

		Kupo-Dude - This, ends here...INDIGNATION!!! TALK - {{{time}}}
		Maybe a real stupid question, but is the time I see on people their timestamps adjusted to my time, or theirs?( And yes I haven't fixed it....yet. The timestamp will come.)

		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 21:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.
		All time is in UTC and not whatever time zone thier in, although I have no idea what that UTC is.

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		Ser Blue says at 01:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
		UTC is "Coordinated Universal Time". Anyhow, I'm here to remind users again to include the timestamp in your talk templates. Nobody is exempt from this, and no apologies accepted. Thank you.

		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 09:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.
		So for clarification, really the only reason why we're adding the timestamp is because you demand it, Bluer?

Because it's standard. Because it's what the timestamp is for. I'm sick of having to look at the page history to find out when some talks took place. The talk template is supposed to have it in; but some people were too stupid to work it: and then people looked at it as if it didn't need the timestamp.  ILHI ^{10:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)}

It doesn't. I don't have a issue with looking at the History every time. If you do, that's your problem. - DeadlySlashSword 20:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No it fucking well isn't. "Because it's standard. Because it's what the timestamp is for". You're told to sign your comments with four tildes for a reason; your talkbox isn't a way around that. The talkbox tells you to make the text parameter: {{{text}}}, and the time parameter: {{{time}}}. If you're so lazy you don't even use a timestamp, than your talkbox should just be deleted for being incompetent.  I Lion Heart I 21:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, there's no point in telling people to sign their posts with four tildes if they can just create a talkbox to evade recording the time. I just forget to put the five tildes in half of the time o.o 8bit 23:46, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

@ILHI - I do use the timestamp now. But as I feel forced to use it, I am compelled to complain about that fact that I have to, standards be damned. It's not a matter of incompetency, it's a matter of opinon. - DeadlySlashSword 23:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

If people here are extremely lazy, I have a quicker way around: don't use talkboxes I have a code in my js which allows you to add text up where a site notice would be. I use it for links and stuff; but you can use it for character insert: so it works just like those links do down there except you can't use tildes in them. So I could code it so I just have to click a piece of text at the top of my screen, and a template appears in the editbox. I find it fascinating. Any with, if you're lazy, you could make it so clicking it added {{mausername|time=|talk=}} to your editbox, then you can type ~~~~~ and your post in the places. If anyone is interested (which you probably won't be because you probably don't understand me) go to ma talk page.  I Lion Heart I 00:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Right, I've 'timestamped' my talk template. Sorry guys, I didn't realise displaying the time was part of wiki etiquette or that this was an issue for the admins. If it makes life easier then I'll put it in. Terra_Homing 01:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC) So we have to change because it's easier to archive? And instead of mutilating I can just use the four tildes, right( like now)?Kupo-dude 08:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

		Griffen78 - who needs high hp when you got a smexy jacket like this? TALK - 13:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
		I actualy is not that hard.It just took me a while to get it right

		Kuzlalala - Who says I'm weak? TALK - 14:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
		I don't really understand. You see, I checked out all of my posts. They were all posted at different dates. But only one problem: All of my post were said to have the same date. What's the problem here?

you put the time things on your template type {{{time}}} and every time type time=

with 5 ~ things--griff 14:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I dunno if I'm really stupid so I really can't understand what should I do and what changed after this... I'm stilll confused. So how can I write my talk bubble timestamped? I mean, what code should I type? --Red-yellow-striped-apple 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

{{TalkTextTest2 |image=INSERT IMAGE |color=White |color2=White |textcolor=black |textcolor2=black |line=yellow |fonttype=times new roman |name= Insert name |sig= Insert sig. |time= {{{time}}} |text= {{{text}}} }}

This is the code you need to type in to have a timestamp function. Just type {{Template:Username|time=~~~, ~~~~ or ~~~~~|text=Blah Blah Blah}}. That should end most questions...Hopefully Cloudofdarkness was [| here] 23:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

You actually put five tildes (~~~~~), no more, no less. Three (~~~) gets you your username, four (~~~~) gives you your signature, and depending on your preferences, may or may not have the time included on it. So it's five tildes, people. {User:BfDsig|02:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)}}

		TurkBoy - "That'll be the day, that you say goodbye" TALK - 15:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
		Just thought I'd test it out.

"scarlet" isn't a known colour on all browsers. in other words, the top half of your template is just white.  ILHI ^{15:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)}

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		Ser Blue says at 04:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
		All right. A week has passed since this message. I know a lot of you are dissatisfied with this, and I do understand. This is a hassle, indeed, and also there are opinions that it may be pointless - nothing's gonna change, and being forced to do this seems very one-sided since it's following one person's opinion over another. Everyone has their opinions, true, everyone has the right to voice out their opinions, that's the trend of the modern world these days. A lot of us have different and differing opinions on how to run things. Yes, that's the inevitable truth. But you also have to understand that etiquette is what makes us a tolerable community. How can we define etiquette when there are so many differing standards in the minds of others? It's hard to reach a common ground in this free-thinking day and age - you are bound to displease at least one person in your attempt to please a whole community. And its unavoidable. Tolerance can only go so far before order turns to chaos, and in the end there'll be only chaos. Yeah, Cronos and Zeus fight to the death. So, to end my moving speech, everyone who's without timestamps will get an exclusive FFWiki Chocobo talk bubble with a timestamp thrown in for good measure, and talk bubble protected! Let's just wait and see who're the lucky ones! Oh and thread closed for archive.