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		DrakeyC - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 03:39, June 27, 2013 (UTC)



		Titled so because I'm sure other people will be brought up. I'll start it off with the dude I'm making it for, JBed. We trust him with CSS, we should trust him with Modship too. The only concern some may have is he's strongly for image naming consistency, which is fine, but would create a lot of redlinks, so if we make him mod and he takes it upon himself to overhaul image names I'd ask we have him fix his links, or he inform Catuse or myself so we can have a bot change things. Otherwise, I think he'd make a fine mod, was before, and many of our image archives can use some naming fixing.


		Shockstorm TALK - Shockstorm (talk) 04:26, June 27, 2013 (UTC)



		Yeah, I would support that. I would also say that Fenrir should be a mod, because it could be helpful when working with files, and he's made huge contributions to the older games, primarily FFVI. Finally, I think Catuse should be an admin, considering his knowledge of coding, anti-vandalism/RC patrolling, and good judgment regarding policy and such.


		Catuse says at 06:05, June 27, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."



		Yeah, JBed and Fenrir would make good mods. In fact in JBed's case Drake and Yuan said on IRC that they thought he was already a mod :p I'd also like to suggest that Shockstorm (40k edits, all but <100 userspace edits have been very useful, and filemove rights would help him keep the wiki maintained) and/or Espritduo (very knowledgeable, uploads countless useful images, and filemove would make life easier for him there). Me as an admin? Dunno, Drake and Kelt have been here for years more and probably would have more use for the tools, but I wouldn't mind having them -- means less work for me (having to track down admins to do adminy things) and the current admins.

Definitely JBed for, uh, re-modding, double-modding? I understand the old reasoning why he wasn't in the past, but it seems that's in the past now, and he practically runs the place, honestly. Me? Nah. I haven't been nearly as active on the wiki as I want to be (currently my excuse is recently falling in love with One Piece and trying to watch all 600 episodes all at once - 271 episodes down in two weeks!). It'd be nice to be able to rename images, delete duplicates, and other tidying-up type things when I get my upload binges, but otherwise, I've just been lurking around watching the recent changes for things to correct or revert. (I look so lame without a talk bubble....) Espritduo (talk) 07:37, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

You don't have any objections from me. I support JBed to be remodded. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 09:34, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

JBed said before he doesn't want to be a mod, just admin rights or equivalent. The idea that all filenames would follow a template would make things neater and then things would be in alphabetical order in the image categories for easier finding...but is also a soul-destroyingly boring task to do and we'd probably have to rename every new file new people will upload.

I think Catuse would make a great admin. It takes a certain kind of person to want to do maintenance work like deleting files (I for one am not at all keen to start doing stuff like that) so if anyone steps up wanting to do that, then let's utilize it! The wiki can only win really. And people who upload images a lot would benefit from having the ability to rename them if needed, so support mod rights for Espritduo and Fenrir9 if they want them.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 11:51, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Right-on. Although it kind of looks silly now that I'm a Designer and all, I don't want the title and all that comes with it (like commitment (:3 yeah fooking right, being a staff causes lack of commitment)). Designer also isn't fully-recognised, and I'd still be happy to retain that job even after I stop editing (although I'd very much like someone to learn all I know and outdo me).

In any case, I was basically told I could be modded before I even started using this account.

With that said, you guys know what I want. JBed (talk) 14:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)


		BlueHighwind ^{Q? 15:59, June 27, 2013 (UTC)} TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:



		I'd go so far as to say, JBed for Adminship. Since he's the one most deeply obsessed with this wiki, and I think he needs those extra powers. Now, due to tradition, I must also say, BH for Adminship, just because. And finally, TA for High Primarch.


		DrakeyC - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - Drake Clawfang (talk) 16:01, June 27, 2013 (UTC)



		support Fenrir for mod too, and perhaps Esprit.


		Kaimi - "People's hearts are pure chaos. Formless and ever-changing—a mystery no one can solve. That is why humans are such contradictions. One moment they're at each other's throats, the next they're forming shaky alliances." TALK - 16:14, June 27, 2013 (UTC)



		I support mod rights for Esprit in order to help him with the filespace, but I'm not so sure about Fenrir and Shockstorm: I think that Fenrir could expand his range of FF knowledge (although I noticed him doing some FFXII NPC weapon stuff which might actually speak for the promotion) and Shockstorm's main objectives seems to be wiki and interwiki links, although I might have missed something notable of his work. JBed for mod? I see no prob. Is there an article you think is of an exceptional quality? Vote for it here!


		Catuse says at 17:58, June 27, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."



		JBed and Kelt - Oh yes, moving files is so sooooooul-destroying @_@ but I wouldn't worry too much about the commitment of it. Especially because giving anyone a staff position that actually requires more work is cursed, and causes inactivity less than a year later. As for me "outdoing" you, maybe, but I doubt it. Only actual experience I have with webdesign outside of wikis is my mostly empty personal website. And I wouldn't mind you as an admin -- you'd do a lot of good work with it --, but avoided mentioning it in my first post because I didn't want to open that can of worms (see: Admin Nominations thread, Staff Discussion 3D (though that happened right after the Article Creation Policy incident), and probably others). But now it's open, so I'm fine with it. Kaimi - I figure that Fenrir actually knows more than a lot of us do, thanks to his knowledge of hexediting, FFAdventure, and the FFLegend games, which he pretty much singlehandedly added to the wiki. There'll always be more people to add FFIX stuff and FFXIII stuff, but that's not the case with obscure spinoffs that maybe 10 people have played. And mod rights help with linking -- redirect-suppress and all.


		Shockstorm TALK - 22:15, June 27, 2013 (UTC)



		Yeah, I don't really have much of a desire for mod rights, as I don't really want rollback (too easy to misclick :p) and I'm ok with SDing a redirect or using the Badname template to move a file in the rare instances that come up.


		Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 20:52, June 28, 2013 (UTC)



		I support Fenrir for modding, however I feel his English may need a touch of improvement if he took up the position, as I'm often editing his edits to make a little more sense. (sorry Fenrir).


		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 05:10, July 2, 2013 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.



		Support JBed for mod, Fenrir too if he wants it and Esprit if he changes his mind. As long as I'm at it I'll toss my hat in the ring for adminship - you guys know exactly what you'd be getting from me; no coding genius but solid in policy, lurking in RC and doing the gnome work. I haven't been editing mainspace in awhile but I'd be excited at the thought of doing maintenance work. Take me if you'll have me.


		Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 22:35, July 2, 2013 (UTC)



		Okay, if we're offering ourselves shamelessly :P I know I've only been here two years and have a measly 5000-ish edit count, but I love this wiki and the editors; I feel I contribute a lot to filespace and mainspace as well as settling in new users, reverting vandalism, and taking part in outside-of-wiki activities such as updating the Facebook/Twitter. I also feel I've matured a lot since I began here and am up for progression. If you ever have a need of some more aid around the office, I'd be honoured to serve as a moderator.


		Catuse says at 08:04, July 4, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."



		Keeping things moving, currently up for moderator: Fenrir Possibly Esprit Tia Up for admin: Catuse Drake JBed DSS


		Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 10:06, July 4, 2013 (UTC)



		Yes, this seems to have reached a standstill...don't we do this with every forum we start? xD I kid, I kid. Well, Fenrir hasn't really come back on the suggestion for some time which makes me think he doesn't really want the job; Esprit has declined, and JBed would have the powers but not the position. Personally I would love to see Drake as an admin if he now reckons he's got the temperament for it- which he definitely does, I've seen a great improvement :) Cat, as a maintenance-proficient user, you'd be great for adminship, and I admit I don't know mch about DSS's speciality, but he's friendly and a long time editor, it'd be nice to see him rise up in the ranks.

The forum isn't going to go anywhere when it has nowhere to go. Currently it's just general talking about who people think should be admins. It's not controlled talk about a specific subject, which it has to be if we want to discuss our way to promoting a specific person. 92.28.178.59 14:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)


		Jimcloud TALK - 15:24, July 4, 2013 (UTC)



		Well, for starters, if we want to come to some manner of decisive action, we need to figure out how we're getting to that decisive action. last time it was deliberation and then action based on user input, the time before that was designed more similar to voting and then admin decisionmaking, the time before that... man, I don't even remember the time before that. Point being, the decision on how decisions are to be reached needs to be made before a decision can even be reached. This system is so pointlessly complicated, ugh. Anyways, I will bug every admin I see for the next couple of days and see if I can get this going.

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		Scathe Mote - 16:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)



		The support/oppose/comment system might be better in this instance. The forum above has already gone through the deliberation and discussion phases; because interest has started to wane, changing back to the support/oppose/comment might revitalize the discussion. Though, on second thought, there are fewer people up for nomination this time. We may even want to just close the nominations (I'm not sure how much the support/oppose/comment system will add to the discussion) and head straight to the Secret Admin Lab™ discussions. If people feel that they still have more to add more to the discussion, then I suggest switching the format. Otherwise, we can head straight to the next part of nominations.

I do not think you can make a decision now based on the above. It's primarily an aimless cluster of thoughts. 92.28.179.232 16:46, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Nobody said anything about making a decision yet. Did you even read Jimcloud's post? Of course nobody can decide anything yet, we know that already. What we're now probably aiming to do is collect the "nominations" and find what everyone thinks of them in some sort of official vote. Tia-Lew ise

17:27, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

"We may even want to just close the nominations and head straight to the Secret Admin Lab™ discussions." Unless I misunderstand: We are in the nomination stage, we might just want to close it and start the BTS discussion. 92.28.179.232 22:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)


		Catuse says at 07:13, July 5, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."



		We ain't voting. Voting always turns into a popularity contest/one reason getting a ton of votes for one user. <_<


		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 21:41, July 5, 2013 (UTC)



		Perhaps a nomination and comments section for each candidate? Rather than having a voting section when anyone could just leave a signature that would weigh equally against others, a comments section about the candidate's contributions, strengths, and weaknesses could be more encouraging of discussion.


		Xenomic TALK - 00:05, July 6, 2013 (UTC)



		Oh yes, I should totally nominate myself for...um...whatever is above what I am! Yes, of course! (Xenomic may or may not know what's above whatever he is...is he a mod? Or just merely a blade of grass floating in the wind? Only time may tell~).


		Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 18:12, July 9, 2013 (UTC)



		Can we please try and get the ball rolling again with this?

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		Scathe Mote - 20:06, July 9, 2013 (UTC)



		I'm putting down anyone who has been mentioned below. There's no voting per se, but you can place comments about the person under their heading. Feel free to express your opinions regarding a certain candidate there, whether they be good or bad. Also, if there's someone not here that you think should be added (it doesn't matter if it's you or someone else), put them down. In addition to all the aforementioned people, I've put myself down for bureaucrat nomination stemming from discussion in the IRC. Edit: We should probably put an end date on this. Do we think a week would be sufficient to fully articulate all the necessary points?


		Catuse says at 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."



		We'll be lucky if we can keep the discussion going for three days. A week should be more than enough.

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		Scathe Mote - 21:01, July 9, 2013 (UTC)



		Alright then, I'm going to lock+labyrinth this forum a week from the timestamp on this talk bubble. If we feel like the discussion is still going when that time comes, I'll extend the time.


		Kaimi - "No matter how dark the night, morning always comes. And our journey begins anew." TALK - 21:37, July 9, 2013 (UTC)



		As ScatheMote said that we can nominate even ourselves, I decided to add me as a proposition for mod. While I'm a bit aggressive at times and insult people in the changes' description, I contribute quite actively on the Wiki (I have over 15,000 edits of which around 55% are mainspace, but I also do quite a lot of filespace edits (around 8%)). If people will think I need more time or I am not suitable for being a part of an important Wiki's staff, then I don't mind. It's the contributions and their quality that matters. Is there an article you think is of an exceptional quality? Vote for it here!

^I'd prefer self-nomination because it shows willingness. I don't what people have against it other than "oh, aren't they all up themselves". Last time (or one of the other times) I wanted to have it you so could only nominate yourself, but that didn't pass through. Because some people who want to be nominated might not nominate themselves (which is pointless because some people who might want to be nominated might not be nominated by someone else!).

Anyway, I honestly don't know why we wouldn't promote any of the mods up right now. Which is why I am struggling throwing my support anyway. The tools a mod gets are nothing so dangerous. They can't send an article into oblivion, they can just move it somewhere else-- something easily reverted.

I trust all the users here to use the tools wisely. And that's all I expect. These tools exist to help the wiki, so there's no point in limiting the numbers because then you are limiting additional help to the wiki. JBed (talk) 14:11, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Nominees

Tia (Mod)

Support – Tia is an active contributor, fills up missing sections of articles, reverts vandalism and incorrect changes, (from what I saw from my rare IRC visits) is a frequent IRC member, and cleans up articles quite a lot. Tia is a polite person with seemingly lots of patience which may actually cause raise in number of members for FFWiki, who in time will benefit the Wiki with contributing according to our rules. And a bit silly argument: we could use of more girls in the Staff Room (for mods we have only Keltie, I'm pretty sure the rest of mods are guys). ;P —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Has a bit of a short temper, but is pretty hard-working (she's around more than every staff member bar maybe five, because we all suck -- including me) and seeing as she stalks RC like a hawk stalks its prey, where the prey are right out there in front of the hawk but the hawk gets all the prey because all the other hawks don't give a damn... or something like that. Whatever. Guess my point is that even if she doesn't use the other tools much (and she probably will) she'll get a lot of use out of rollback. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - as per Cat. Should also be noted that Tia is already one of the runners of both the Wiki's Twitter and Facebook pages, and pretty good at it, so we know she is incredibly community friendly. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Comment- I feel like such an idiot for promoting myself, but let's not forget I've also updated the FA since May, if that means anything significant ^_^ Tia-Lew ise 23:41, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Took the initiative to reconstruct and help with overseeing the FA, as well as a host of other social features. 8 bit 00:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Excellent contributions to the publicity side of the wiki, as well as the FA. — Yuan^Salut 01:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Knows what she's doing, has made many worthy contributions. - Tidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Is involved with more than just mainspace (like the Facebook/Twitter pages) and has done enough to earn this position. Sid VI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Lovely person who I know isn't at all intimidating towards newbies. Her help with FB and Twitter doesn't go unnoticed either. Think of it as a Mod for the future... one who looks towards new directions (aka contributes to Facebook, Twitter, IRC etc...). COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 09:50, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - She's very competent and has a nice attitude, two qualities that really shine as a mod. --Shiruba Kurono 23:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Pretty much what the majority have already posted. From the little interaction I had with her, she's pretty friendly and nice. She also contributes a lot too, and pretty active towards the wiki and stuff that revolves around the wiki. Fenrir9 (talk) 02:02, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
Support - She is already staff if she maintains the social media accounts. We need her on the staff page. :)Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 11:45, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Fenrir (Mod)

Support – With the contributions to various Final Fantasy titles with varying content (FFVI: dummied content,rages, lores, FFXII: enemy weapons, and quite a lot of Legend titles). Tia mentioned in the "Discussion" section that Fenrir seems to have problems with English, but I don't see flaws with that.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:39, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support- Kaimi sweet, I don't see it as a flaw, per se, I just worry what it would look like chasing a moderator to edit his edits to make more grammatical sense. That aside, Fenrir knows much we don't, has added a mountain of information regarding dummied content and Dimensions(?) amongst much more I couldn't name, and has had a hand in image uploading as well. He's also easy to talk to and is a willing assistant when needed. Support, no doubt :) Tia-Lew ise 20:42, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - A good contributor who works hard and has a lot of knowledge to add to the wiki, and already has added much. Spelling and grammar are a minor concern, even I do it more often than I'd care to admit. Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:07, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Has been incredibly helpful and knows a lot of arcane stuff that we wouldn't otherwise have on the wiki. Most deserved promotion here IMO. --Shockstorm (talk) 23:30, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Comment - Does Fenrir even know about this? He hasn't posted in here at all. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:09, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
- He's been left a message so he'll drop by sometime tomorrow, likely. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:57, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Since he uploads many image files and has a great deal of knowledge that almost nobody has, rollback and the ability to change file names will benefit him greatly. Sid VI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Comment - Don't know what to say here honestly, I've been satisfied and happy as a regular editor. A mod or an account that is label as a mod is an account that can do some editing that regular editors cannot do. If the wiki or wikian(s) think that me having the account label as a mod will be beneficial, I'll put it to good use. If not, no hurt feelings. At the end of the day, I will still do what I have always been doing, continue to contribute and help the wiki regardless of being a mod or not. Fenrir9 (talk) 02:02, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Kaimi (Mod)

Support - Though I may be a bit biased (if you know me... you'll know why (but then I guess no-one does know me :P)), Kaimi has made significant contributions in a relatively short space of time. I also always notice an email letting me know about gnoming changes to an article that are often made by him. Seems like a worthy candidate... but I guess you could say the same about everyone! COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 09:50, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Comment – To add to my proposal, my devotion to Final Fantasy series led to creation of Template:Wikia which is still small (after 2,5 years of existence), but steadily grows.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:14, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Drake (Admin)

Support- Drake is always around, always willing to extend a helping hand, and has years of Wiki knowledge behind him. I feel in the past his temper may have held him back from being a good candidate (coupled with the fact he didn't actually want to be an admin anyway), but I think he's become much more easy to interact with, which is great, because as it stands, he knows and does more than enough to count as the ideal candidate. If this is something you want now, Drake, you'd be perfect. Tia-Lew ise 20:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Adding on to everything Tia said, he goes on a lot of image replacing sprees; being able to delete images himself means less work for both him and the admin who's cleaning out the AfSD. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support – as I have every time previously. The guy is one of our most extensive workers on the entire damn wiki -- Sorceror Nobody 21:19, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - There is a mild hesitance because I still dislike how he doesn't use the dup template (it's a rule dammit!), sure, he's active and contributes to discussions. Top class. JBed (talk) 21:40, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Oppose - Hard-working, dedicated, but also entirely the wrong kind of personality you'd want at the top. No offense intended, of course. But DrakeyC is not a conflict-resolver, he isn't patient, he doesn't work well with adversity, and he's not a leader. --Blue Highwindツ 21:59, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Admin tools would be very useful here, both for him and the wiki in general. The fact that he expressed doubts in the past about him being promoted to admin is IMO a plus, because it shows a willingness for self-reflection. There's also the whole thing about "people who really desire power are the least qualified to have it" and such. If the images he nominated for deletion were questionable I would have some doubts, but that hasn't been the case. --Shockstorm (talk) 23:41, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Drake's contributions to the wiki are impressive in terms of their scope and consistency over such a long time period. He's aware of his weaknesses and has continued to improve the wiki despite being passed over many times in the past, which I think shows his dedication. 8 bit 00:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Highest editcount (Is he still?) has to mean something. Dedication, defintely. He's always around, on IRC, easy to get in touch with, knows how to do things. Sure, he gets a little... Antagonistic at times, but the positives outweigh the negatives - Tidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - AFAIK, he's still got the highest edit count, but only because JBed's contributions are split between three accounts and a load of IPs. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 13:09, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Since he's been around for so long and has contributed so much in many different areas, Drake deserves it, and has deserved it for a long while. Sid VI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - When I first came here, I mistook him for an admin. I've been here for 2 years and a bit and he still isn't. Long overdue. User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 17:01, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - The guy has done more than enough. - +Deadly Slash Sword+ 18:45, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - I hate the guy sometimes but I can't argue that he isn't one of the best editors we've got. I'm kind of surprised this hasn't happened already. --Shiruba Kurono 23:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - At one point, Drake was hard to interact with? Well if this is true, the Drake I've been interacting with this past 2 years (give or take) is vastly different from the old Drake. Drake contributes a lot, and I mean a lot. He's very knowledgeable, wiki wise and FF wise. Fenrir9 (talk) 02:02, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral - I'd love to support Drake, because he has done so much for the wiki and is always looking for new ways to continue contributing. I have no doubt that he will put admin tools to good use. However, the incidents where he loses his temper and his general shortness with users he considers to be idiots makes me hesitate. He has been improving - this is why this is neutral rather than oppose - and I would welcome him as an admin if others disagree with me, but the occurrences are still ongoing, and I cannot support him unreservedly. — Yuan^Salut 12:14, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

JBed (Admin)

Support – Simply put, JBed is our 'little' CSS master and is helpful a lot when it comes to CSS. On a side note: from what I've been reading on FFWiki, JBed would like to 'enforce' some rule regarding naming files, and the position of an admin would help him in moving files: I just wonder how would the naming template look like.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:47, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
~~Comment~~Tentative support - As an editor, JBed is basically flawless. He writes pages, does maintanence, knows everything there is to know as far as policy and code goes. He puts the rest of us to shame -- and honestly, he leads the wiki... but doesn't hold any position at all. But he's said several times, on the wiki and in the IRC, that he doesn't really want to be here. So this is really up to him: if he thinks that being an admin forces him to stay here and he really doesn't want to, then this is neutral leaning on oppose. Otherwise, strong support.He insists (in IRC) that he doesn't feel like he's trapped here anymore (unless I'm misinterpreting him), and he knows himself better than I do. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - I feel much as Cat does, with the exception of how this influences my vote. As said in my original post atop this page, I fully support JBed as Mod, the rights would do him well. However, if he is of the mindset he does not want to be here or does not want to be tied to this place as an obligation, this is concerning. I also think that while he is an excellent user in editing, when it comes to discussing matters with him, his attitude is often obstructive. Thus I would support JBed for Mod, but would not support him for Admin. Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:06, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral- I feel that JBed is just fine as a designer at the moment. I feel it's a bit unfair for him to have the opportunity to jump straight from regular user to admin without moderator in between, but for whatever reason he doesn't want the middleground. The way he speaks to people, while not perfect in terms of attitude, is still a huge step-up from what ILHI was like, and the way he addresses his points is unique, first-rate and it's impossible to not understand him, if you can get past the walls of text. While I heavily admire his devotion to the Wiki and his excellent skills in CSS and knowing just what we need, I feel that given the power of admin, the level of devotion he has may mean we end up with more enforcement and change than we may be comfortable with. As I can see good and bad points, I'm going to sit on the fence for this one, but I thought my opinion should be shared. Tia-Lew ise 21:14, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral – I think many of us are a little unsettled by the idea of JBed being an admin, even though it's not necessarily easy to justify the hesitation. But I agree with Cat and Drake in that I would certainly support him being "reinstated" as a mod. Moving files appears to be a large point in Kaimi's support, but mods are also capable of suppressing redirects -- Sorceror Nobody 21:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - I consistently work for the wiki, knows my way around, am here often, and am willing to put in the effort. Being able to block bad-faith editors on-sight will be very useful. And I work closely with the MoS, even more so recently, so being able to edit that page will be useful. I also know how to handle good and bad faith editors, and would be fair in how I handle bans and protections to cause the least disruption. I am already someone people go too often, and while rights mean nothing in terms of value of opinion, it does in terms of responsibility and how one may be viewed so it is fairly good to have a fair hierarchy. Some may disagree, so it's a good that's just a cherry-on-top reason. JBed (talk) 21:41, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Oppose - As I said above, JBed is often very opinionated, and his tendency to not accept alternative viewpoints and post walls of text explaining why he holds his opinions are not conductive to good discussion, and giving him Admin rights to enforce his opinions are concerning. Coupled with his inability or refusal to explain on the IRC why Adminship is to important to him, his above display of egotism that reflect many previous staff discussions when he has said he is the most qualified candidate for Adminship over other valid nominees, and his inability or refusal to work on these personality flaws, I do not feel he has the personality type or behavior preferred for an Admin. Contrary to whatever claims he may make, he more often proves than disproves that he is still ILHI behind the screen. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:02, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
- Neutral - After a long talk with JBed on the IRC, I withdraw my opposition. I still have concerns over the additional weight being Admin would do for discussions involving him, and his mindset towards why he edits. But he has made fair statements to explain why Admin rights exclusive to that position would be of benefit to his editing habits. I am not comfortable with support still, but I will not oppose, and if he is promoted on the votes of others, congratulations to him.
Neutral - JBed might actually be the wrong kind of person to give power to do. He's more dedicated than any sane human being could ever be, and that's commendable. JBed will be editing this wiki when we're all dead and gone. He also seems to be the guy who most knows how to get things done. However, give him adminship would essentially surrender all policy to him, though at this point I wonder if it isn't a bad idea to just give it to him... --Blue Highwindツ 22:05, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Weak Support - I'll be honest, I hold the same apprehensions a lot of other users do. However, aside from the ACP incident, it's hard to point to any example that actually proves our concerns about him. It feels like we're making a big fuss over nothing. And he is the best editor on the wiki, bar none. At the very least, he should be given his old rights back. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:46, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Of the nominates it is the one I know the most. Pretty sure he would do a good job. --BGMaxie (talk) 04:31, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral - You can't argue the man doesn't put his all into what he does here. Having said that, I'm fine with him in his current position of designer and he's done a good job with that, but I feel he should spend some time as mod before making the leap up to admin. - +Deadly Slash Sword+ 18:45, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Same with Drake, this guy is unarguably competent. And I haven't had any problems with him before, so I have no reason not to support him. --Shiruba Kurono 23:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral - I won't lie, I'm having a hard time deciding here. He's competent in what he does for the wiki, no question about it. He has the ability/knowledge to extract information from games, etc. I don't know much about JBed to come to a conclusion for making him an admin. Nevertheless, my Neutral would be change to Support if this were for him getting a mod account. Fenrir9 (talk) 02:02, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
Support - It's about history, and being too bogged down in it. I have previously opposed JBed's nominations for two reasons: a) obsession with the wiki to the degree that it "consumes" him and b) his tendency to disregard the opinions of other users. He assures us that a) is no longer a problem, and given the amount of work he puts into the wiki, I doubt admin rights will change that. With b) - history. We are all so used to thinking of JBed as ILHI, as a user who wall-of-texts and is difficult to work with, but is this really true now? Reflecting on his recent behaviour and comparing it to how he was previously, I see a definite improvement. There really are very few incidents of misconduct I can point to within the last year or so. Thus, I will support him. — Yuan^Salut 12:14, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Cat (Admin)

Support – I've seen him do enough work on the wiki that would have benefitted from him having access to the admin tools to know that he'd make good use of them -- Sorceror Nobody 21:22, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support- While I know Cat is apprehensive about it and claims he isn't around much anymore, I'd love to see him rise up the ranks as he definitely has the skills and the pleasant interaction that would make him a really approachable admin. Also, given the length of time he has been here, it would also be very impressive to see him do so incredibly well in such a short space of time. If you feel up to it at any point, Cat, I'd support you in it. Tia-Lew ise 21:30, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Hells to the yeah. Despite his self-criticism, continues to work for the wiki, tries to contribute everywhere, and helps pull the wiki forward. JBed (talk) 21:43, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - I can't really say more than SN has. Cat is one of our best staffers. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - deserving and knowledgeable, particularly regarding coding. --Shockstorm (talk) 00:05, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - he does the duties of a staff member already, and very well at that. — Yuan^Salut 01:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Of course. - Tidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - I can't really say more than what has been said already. He deserves it. Sid VI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - He edits everywhere and even tried to help me out by voting in my arenas despite the fact they were both essentially damned from the start. Niceness - check. Helpfulness - check. Editing - check. COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 09:50, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Oh definitely. He's awesome, useful, and knows about some of the lesser known parts of the FF universe - we need that. And how many other websites can claim to have a cactus as an admin? --Shiruba Kurono 23:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Are you telling me that Catuse has never been an admin? Well, I've always though he always had been an admin in the first place. Well, he's sure has the personality and qualities for it. He's also a good contributor for the wiki and welcomes newcomers to the wiki. Fenrir9 (talk) 02:02, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

DSS (Admin)

Support - No one yet? Well, I'll just put this here... Around often, got the know-how. - Tidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support- I get on with DSS great, and he has the ideal temperament and knowledge to have additional rights as admin. It would be nice to see him here a little more, though he does pop up on IRC a fair bit. Tia-Lew ise 08:41, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral – I do have some concerns about DSS's interaction with other users at times; I have heard at least a couple of people express an impression that he has some kind of 'issue' with them, and while he and I myself are not exactly enemies, he certainly appeared to think at one point that I have, and I quote, "some shit against [him]." I certainly don't dispute his experience and know-how, but I perhaps query whether he would bring enough unique advantage as an admin to overcome the aforementioned.
As for being around on IRC, I haven't actually seen him on the main channel for quite some time, though of course it is possible I'm just missing him. He's generally pretty engaged when he is on, though -- Sorceror Nobody 11:24, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Oppose - DSS hasn't been as active within mainspace recently, as he admitted. And while I respect the work he does and has done, the other people on the list have the bonus of having done the same but being more active. I see DSS on IRC only infrequently, although that could be partially due to timezones (only partially though, he's not on as frequently as the others --not that this really matters). JBed (talk) 13:56, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - He gets on everyone's nerves sometimes, but who doesn't? I can also testify that he's on a lot more often than you guys think; he just isn't always on #wikia-ff. Can't really blame him for that. Anyway, he knows a lot about some obscure parts of the series, is dedicated, and knows his way around a policy, so no reason for him not to be here to me. --Shiruba Kurono 23:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Comment - I'm officially withdrawing my nomination for now. It's clear to me my actions and inactivity have placed me into a category of certain irrelevance; when people cannot bring themselves to vote either for or against me for a certain amount of time, that action speaks a lot louder than words. It's clear to me I have work to do before anyone would view me as a serious candidate. Thank you to those who voted for me, or left any criticism at all. - +Deadly Slash Sword+ 01:56, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

SCM (Admin)

Comment - I don't expect this to work, but there is no harm in throwing my hat in, so here it is. I nominate myself mostly because of utility reasons. My schedule tends to be highly different to that of the active admins, making promoting me to admin a way to fill up gaps where we're short staffed in the event of vandalism issues. I'm sure most people here know that I am highly dedicated to vandal fighting and general clean up, I've had several years experience doing these things, and admin rights would give me greater effectiveness in performing these duties. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Comment- See, this is the right way to go about promoting your strengths. I couldn't have put it better myself. Tia-Lew ise 23:36, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Would be quite useful, and the unique time slot is a bonus, being in Austria*(My knowledge of geography is impeccable) and all. --Shockstorm (talk) 23:56, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
- Comment- You mean Australia. Tia-Lew ise 00:00, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  - No, Austrian. Australian is this guy. --Shockstorm (talk) 00:01, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  - Comment - C'mon Tia, that joke's older than the country I live in :V -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:03, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - ~~woo, go Australia~~ I wouldn't have thought of this, but it's a nice idea - Tidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support – Some people might consider timezone arguments to be weak. But when the candidate is perfectly qualified, why the hell not choose on that basis? It fills a functional niche, and much as staff rights are treated as a reward, they still are meant to be wholly functional. Other than that, I can't add much to SCM's own points above -- Sorceror Nobody 11:43, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Timezones, good attitude, great work ethic, what more to say? --Shiruba Kurono 23:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Xenomic (Admin)

Support: Endlessly hard-working, with so many excellent contributions. I believe the last few times, he hasn't been nominated due to fears that his activity would be sporadic, but by now he's demonstrated that he's going to stick around. Given the amount of moving and maintenance he does, I think granting him admin tools will be helpful. — Yuan^Salut 01:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - I don't even know what I'm supporting but Xen does like more work than everyone combined - Tidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - For reasons already given. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:59, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - per above. --Shockstorm (talk) 04:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support- Takes note of what needs to be done ~~maintenance-wise~~ and what the Wiki is lacking, with regards to article moving and creating. However, his activity isn't always constant and he has shown reluctance to get involved in some tasks himself- though that was over fixing links, and I suppose we can ask a bot to do that. That aside, I think he'd get a lot out of additional rights. Tia-Lew ise 08:35, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Oppose - Errm...? Xeno is an editor. First and foremost. He comes here with information, and tries to create, edit, and fix articles. I cannot imagine Xeno being so interested in the blocking, or protection, or maintenance work like deleting articles. JBed (talk) 14:01, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral - Does he want the post? He's done more than enough work to earn it. But he's also known for taking long hiatuses. - +Deadly Slash Sword+ 18:45, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Neutral - Xenomic definitely has the qualities of being an admin, but his lack of presence (his hiatus) on the wiki is what makes the Support go into Neutral. Fenrir9 (talk) 02:02, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Scathe (Bcrat)

Support- I think, with three out of our four current bcrats inactive, and a distinct lack of TA most of the time, Scathe, being the user to have won on the last consensus, would be the ideal candidate. Even when not around he responds quickly enough on the Staff Noticeboard or his Talk Page, is generally friendly, and has done outside of Wiki work such as the hosting of the FFVI Let's Play, which shows his commitment to the Wiki and who comes to it for what we do. In short, yes Scathe, I fully support you :) Tia-Lew ise 20:11, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Scathe is very consistently present and active, and puts in plenty of work with regards to the wiki – in all honesty, many of our staff don't touch the wiki itself as much as perhaps we (I am most certainly including myself here) should. As Tia noted, his taking the lead on two LPs and being involved with MMIII speak volumes about his commitment to activity in the wider community of the wiki. And, of course, he is almost ceaselessly amiable. He's certainly not the only suitable candidate, but he's probably the one I would pick first -- Sorceror Nobody 20:21, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Concur with much of the above. Drake Clawfang (talk) 20:24, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Like I said in the IRC, we don't need a bcrat who's around all the time, but there's absolutely no reason not to have one other than "bluh bluh dictatorship bluh"... which I might worry about for somebody else, but not Scathe. C A T U S E 20:57, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Throwing in my vote, for what it is worth User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 21:45, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - I would prefer a bcrat who's around all the time, but in the last discussion consensus was for this, so this should be done even if it is belated. JBed (talk) 21:50, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - High-schoolers are the most obsessed users we have, and Scathe is an all-around class-act. I've never seen him do any wrong. --Blue Highwindツ 22:01, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - But of course. Scathe received overwhelming support during the last staff discussion to become bcrat, and to be honest I'm not sure why he wasn't promoted then. There isn't a rule against more than one active bcrat. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Yay Scathey. And what is this about high schoolers, BH? I thought most people here were older (I myself am 75 going on 85). --Shockstorm (talk) 00:00, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Scathe pls 8 bit 00:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - — Yuan^Salut 01:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - No doubt - Tidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Hopefully Scathe won't become inactive once he becomes a Bureaucrat. Sid VI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - He would be perfect.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 13:39, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - But of course. - +Deadly Slash Sword+ 18:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - I don't even think my vote is necessary, olos. --Shiruba Kurono 23:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - I can't add more to what has already been said. Fenrir9 (talk) 02:02, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Esprit (Acknowledgment)

Support - Hey, remember when these used to be handed out? I don't, because aside from Hecko, they were done before I had an account! Esprit might not want an actual staff position, but we still should do something to acknowledge all the work he's done for us, so I think it's time to bring this rank out of retirement. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:54, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support- As above. His contributions due to his stack of Ultimanias have been some of the most important we've had. Tia-Lew ise 08:30, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Per above. --Shockstorm (talk) 09:28, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - He deserves this, at the very least. Sid VI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - His image uploads and overall knowledge have definitely helped out the wiki. Surely that's what the acknowledgment section is for - people who have significantly contributed & helped the wiki. COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 09:50, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support – The presence of the acknowledgements section has, for some reason, always felt like a slight oddity to me... but if we start using it again, that stops being an issue. And Esprit most certainly deserves it -- Sorceror Nobody 11:49, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support – I wholeheartedly agree with acknowledging Esprit's existance and his image contribution.He's like that guy from prehistoric times who made paintings on cave walls. ;P —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:20, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - This would be perfect for him, I think. - +Deadly Slash Sword+ 18:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Comment - I'm cool with this. Thanks everyone! Now that I've watched all 603 episodes of One Piece thus far (best anime ever), I can get back to my regularly scheduled life and hopefully finish off the final 25th Anni Ultimania before I go back to school. And my primary reason for no-modding is that my contributions tend to average out to high points of activity and low points, depending on what non-wiki stuff I'm currently obsessed with and what wiki stuff I might have an itch to get done, and usually once school starts I vanish completely. I'm just too darn unpredictable. I think the wiki-speak term I've seen used for this type of behavior is a WikiOgre? Rawr. Espritduo (talk) 20:20, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Support - Since I've seen other users mention his art contribution, I'll also like to point out his knowledge on the Japanese language. He has been quite helpful in that department, and many wikians seek his help for romaji, translation, or ask him to look up within his Ultamania(s) for confirmation or info. Even when he "disappeared", he still took the time to check and post on his user page when a user(s) asked a question. Fenrir9 (talk) 02:02, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
Support - An excellent compromise. — Yuan^Salut 12:14, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Spira (Acknowledgment)

Support – Spira contributes a lot of FFXI content: updates their articles and uploads equipment images.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:09, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Shockstorm (Acknowledgment)

Support – Shocky's a very active contributor, whose possibly most prominent job is link fixing and interwiki linking. He says he doesn't want to be a mod, but his hard work for the Wiki cannot be left unnoticed.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 07:20, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
Support- It's down to Shockstorm that I started link fixing without going to a bot for help (though I do still have Intangir clean it up sometimes xD ). Acknowledgement is definitely better than promotion if he doesn't want it. Tia-Lew ise 10:50, July 11, 2013 (UTC)