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Definitely JBed for, uh, re-modding, double-modding? I understand the old reasoning why he wasn't in the past, but it seems that's in the past now, and he practically runs the place, honestly. Me? Nah. I haven't been nearly as active on the wiki as I want to be (currently my excuse is recently falling in love with One Piece and trying to watch all 600 episodes all at once - 271 episodes down in two weeks!). It'd be nice to be able to rename images, delete duplicates, and other tidying-up type things when I get my upload binges, but otherwise, I've just been lurking around watching the recent changes for things to correct or revert. (I look so lame without a talk bubble....) Espritduo (talk) 07:37, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

You don't have any objections from me. I support JBed to be remodded. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 09:34, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

JBed said before he doesn't want to be a mod, just admin rights or equivalent. The idea that all filenames would follow a template would make things neater and then things would be in alphabetical order in the image categories for easier finding...but is also a soul-destroyingly boring task to do and we'd probably have to rename every new file new people will upload.

I think Catuse would make a great admin. It takes a certain kind of person to want to do maintenance work like deleting files (I for one am not at all keen to start doing stuff like that) so if anyone steps up wanting to do that, then let's utilize it! The wiki can only win really. And people who upload images a lot would benefit from having the ability to rename them if needed, so support mod rights for Espritduo and Fenrir9 if they want them.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 11:51, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Right-on. Although it kind of looks silly now that I'm a Designer and all, I don't want the title and all that comes with it (like commitment (:3 yeah fooking right, being a staff causes lack of commitment)). Designer also isn't fully-recognised, and I'd still be happy to retain that job even after I stop editing (although I'd very much like someone to learn all I know and outdo me).
In any case, I was basically told I could be modded before I even started using this account.
With that said, you guys know what I want. JBed (talk) 14:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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The forum isn't going to go anywhere when it has nowhere to go. Currently it's just general talking about who people think should be admins. It's not controlled talk about a specific subject, which it has to be if we want to discuss our way to promoting a specific person. 92.28.178.59 14:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

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I do not think you can make a decision now based on the above. It's primarily an aimless cluster of thoughts. 92.28.179.232 16:46, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Nobody said anything about making a decision yet. Did you even read Jimcloud's post? Of course nobody can decide anything yet, we know that already. What we're now probably aiming to do is collect the "nominations" and find what everyone thinks of them in some sort of official vote. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 17:27, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
"We may even want to just close the nominations and head straight to the Secret Admin Lab™ discussions." Unless I misunderstand: We are in the nomination stage, we might just want to close it and start the BTS discussion. 92.28.179.232 22:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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Nominees

Tia (Mod)

  • Support – Tia is an active contributor, fills up missing sections of articles, reverts vandalism and incorrect changes, (from what I saw from my rare IRC visits) is a frequent IRC member, and cleans up articles quite a lot. Tia is a polite person with seemingly lots of patience which may actually cause raise in number of members for FFWiki, who in time will benefit the Wiki with contributing according to our rules. And a bit silly argument: we could use of more girls in the Staff Room (for mods we have only Keltie, I'm pretty sure the rest of mods are guys). ;P —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Has a bit of a short temper, but is pretty hard-working (she's around more than every staff member bar maybe five, because we all suck -- including me) and seeing as she stalks RC like a hawk stalks its prey, where the prey are right out there in front of the hawk but the hawk gets all the prey because all the other hawks don't give a damn... or something like that. Whatever. Guess my point is that even if she doesn't use the other tools much (and she probably will) she'll get a lot of use out of rollback. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - as per Cat. Should also be noted that Tia is already one of the runners of both the Wiki's Twitter and Facebook pages, and pretty good at it, so we know she is incredibly community friendly. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment- I feel like such an idiot for promoting myself, but let's not forget I've also updated the FA since May, if that means anything significant ^_^ Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 23:41, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Took the initiative to reconstruct and help with overseeing the FA, as well as a host of other social features. 8bit 00:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Excellent contributions to the publicity side of the wiki, as well as the FA. — YuanSalut 01:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Knows what she's doing, has made many worthy contributions. - BlitzballArtTidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Is involved with more than just mainspace (like the Facebook/Twitter pages) and has done enough to earn this position. SidVI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Fenrir (Mod)

  • Support – With the contributions to various Final Fantasy titles with varying content (FFVI: dummied content,rages, lores, FFXII: enemy weapons, and quite a lot of Legend titles). Tia mentioned in the "Discussion" section that Fenrir seems to have problems with English, but I don't see flaws with that.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:39, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support- Kaimi sweet, I don't see it as a flaw, per se, I just worry what it would look like chasing a moderator to edit his edits to make more grammatical sense. That aside, Fenrir knows much we don't, has added a mountain of information regarding dummied content and Dimensions(?) amongst much more I couldn't name, and has had a hand in image uploading as well. He's also easy to talk to and is a willing assistant when needed. Support, no doubt :) Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 20:42, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - A good contributor who works hard and has a lot of knowledge to add to the wiki, and already has added much. Spelling and grammar are a minor concern, even I do it more often than I'd care to admit. Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:07, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Has been incredibly helpful and knows a lot of arcane stuff that we wouldn't otherwise have on the wiki. Most deserved promotion here IMO. --Shockstorm (talk) 23:30, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment - Does Fenrir even know about this? He hasn't posted in here at all. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:09, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
    • He's been left a message so he'll drop by sometime tomorrow, likely. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:57, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Since he uploads many image files and has a great deal of knowledge that almost nobody has, rollback and the ability to change file names will benefit him greatly. SidVI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Kaimi (Mod)

Drake (Admin)

  • Support- Drake is always around, always willing to extend a helping hand, and has years of Wiki knowledge behind him. I feel in the past his temper may have held him back from being a good candidate (coupled with the fact he didn't actually want to be an admin anyway), but I think he's become much more easy to interact with, which is great, because as it stands, he knows and does more than enough to count as the ideal candidate. If this is something you want now, Drake, you'd be perfect. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 20:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Adding on to everything Tia said, he goes on a lot of image replacing sprees; being able to delete images himself means less work for both him and the admin who's cleaning out the AfSD. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support – as I have every time previously. The guy is one of our most extensive workers on the entire damn wiki -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 21:19, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - There is a mild hesitance because I still dislike how he doesn't use the dup template (it's a rule dammit!), sure, he's active and contributes to discussions. Top class. JBed (talk) 21:40, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Hard-working, dedicated, but also entirely the wrong kind of personality you'd want at the top. No offense intended, of course. But DrakeyC is not a conflict-resolver, he isn't patient, he doesn't work well with adversity, and he's not a leader. --BlueHighwind 21:59, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Admin tools would be very useful here, both for him and the wiki in general. The fact that he expressed doubts in the past about him being promoted to admin is IMO a plus, because it shows a willingness for self-reflection. There's also the whole thing about "people who really desire power are the least qualified to have it" and such. If the images he nominated for deletion were questionable I would have some doubts, but that hasn't been the case. --Shockstorm (talk) 23:41, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Drake's contributions to the wiki are impressive in terms of their scope and consistency over such a long time period. He's aware of his weaknesses and has continued to improve the wiki despite being passed over many times in the past, which I think shows his dedication. 8bit 00:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Highest editcount (Is he still?) has to mean something. Dedication, defintely. He's always around, on IRC, easy to get in touch with, knows how to do things. Sure, he gets a little... Antagonistic at times, but the positives outweigh the negatives - BlitzballArtTidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Since he's been around for so long and has contributed so much in many different areas, Drake deserves it, and has deserved it for a long while. SidVI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

JBed (Admin)

  • Support – Simply put, JBed is our 'little' CSS master and is helpful a lot when it comes to CSS. On a side note: from what I've been reading on FFWiki, JBed would like to 'enforce' some rule regarding naming files, and the position of an admin would help him in moving files: I just wonder how would the naming template look like.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:47, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • CommentTentative support - As an editor, JBed is basically flawless. He writes pages, does maintanence, knows everything there is to know as far as policy and code goes. He puts the rest of us to shame -- and honestly, he leads the wiki... but doesn't hold any position at all. But he's said several times, on the wiki and in the IRC, that he doesn't really want to be here. So this is really up to him: if he thinks that being an admin forces him to stay here and he really doesn't want to, then this is neutral leaning on oppose. Otherwise, strong support.He insists (in IRC) that he doesn't feel like he's trapped here anymore (unless I'm misinterpreting him), and he knows himself better than I do. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
    • Comment - I feel much as Cat does, with the exception of how this influences my vote. As said in my original post atop this page, I fully support JBed as Mod, the rights would do him well. However, if he is of the mindset he does not want to be here or does not want to be tied to this place as an obligation, this is concerning. I also think that while he is an excellent user in editing, when it comes to discussing matters with him, his attitude is often obstructive. Thus I would support JBed for Mod, but would not support him for Admin. Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:06, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Neutral- I feel that JBed is just fine as a designer at the moment. I feel it's a bit unfair for him to have the opportunity to jump straight from regular user to admin without moderator in between, but for whatever reason he doesn't want the middleground. The way he speaks to people, while not perfect in terms of attitude, is still a huge step-up from what ILHI was like, and the way he addresses his points is unique, first-rate and it's impossible to not understand him, if you can get past the walls of text. While I heavily admire his devotion to the Wiki and his excellent skills in CSS and knowing just what we need, I feel that given the power of admin, the level of devotion he has may mean we end up with more enforcement and change than we may be comfortable with. As I can see good and bad points, I'm going to sit on the fence for this one, but I thought my opinion should be shared. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 21:14, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Neutral – I think many of us are a little unsettled by the idea of JBed being an admin, even though it's not necessarily easy to justify the hesitation. But I agree with Cat and Drake in that I would certainly support him being "reinstated" as a mod. Moving files appears to be a large point in Kaimi's support, but mods are also capable of suppressing redirects -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 21:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - I consistently work for the wiki, knows my way around, am here often, and am willing to put in the effort. Being able to block bad-faith editors on-sight will be very useful. And I work closely with the MoS, even more so recently, so being able to edit that page will be useful. I also know how to handle good and bad faith editors, and would be fair in how I handle bans and protections to cause the least disruption. I am already someone people go too often, and while rights mean nothing in terms of value of opinion, it does in terms of responsibility and how one may be viewed so it is fairly good to have a fair hierarchy. Some may disagree, so it's a good that's just a cherry-on-top reason. JBed (talk) 21:41, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose - As I said above, JBed is often very opinionated, and his tendency to not accept alternative viewpoints and post walls of text explaining why he holds his opinions are not conductive to good discussion, and giving him Admin rights to enforce his opinions are concerning. Coupled with his inability or refusal to explain on the IRC why Adminship is to important to him, his above display of egotism that reflect many previous staff discussions when he has said he is the most qualified candidate for Adminship over other valid nominees, and his inability or refusal to work on these personality flaws, I do not feel he has the personality type or behavior preferred for an Admin. Contrary to whatever claims he may make, he more often proves than disproves that he is still ILHI behind the screen. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:02, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
    • Neutral - After a long talk with JBed on the IRC, I withdraw my opposition. I still have concerns over the additional weight being Admin would do for discussions involving him, and his mindset towards why he edits. But he has made fair statements to explain why Admin rights exclusive to that position would be of benefit to his editing habits. I am not comfortable with support still, but I will not oppose, and if he is promoted on the votes of others, congratulations to him.
  • Neutral - JBed might actually be the wrong kind of person to give power to do. He's more dedicated than any sane human being could ever be, and that's commendable. JBed will be editing this wiki when we're all dead and gone. He also seems to be the guy who most knows how to get things done. However, give him adminship would essentially surrender all policy to him, though at this point I wonder if it isn't a bad idea to just give it to him... --BlueHighwind 22:05, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Weak Support - I'll be honest, I hold the same apprehensions a lot of other users do. However, aside from the ACP incident, it's hard to point to any example that actually proves our concerns about him. It feels like we're making a big fuss over nothing. And he is the best editor on the wiki, bar none. At the very least, he should be given his old rights back. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:46, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Of the nominates it is the one I know the most. Pretty sure he would do a good job. --BGMaxie (talk) 04:31, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Cat (Admin)

  • Support – I've seen him do enough work on the wiki that would have benefitted from him having access to the admin tools to know that he'd make good use of them -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 21:22, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support- While I know Cat is apprehensive about it and claims he isn't around much anymore, I'd love to see him rise up the ranks as he definitely has the skills and the pleasant interaction that would make him a really approachable admin. Also, given the length of time he has been here, it would also be very impressive to see him do so incredibly well in such a short space of time. If you feel up to it at any point, Cat, I'd support you in it. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 21:30, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Hells to the yeah. Despite his self-criticism, continues to work for the wiki, tries to contribute everywhere, and helps pull the wiki forward. JBed (talk) 21:43, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - I can't really say more than SN has. Cat is one of our best staffers. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - deserving and knowledgeable, particularly regarding coding. --Shockstorm (talk) 00:05, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - he does the duties of a staff member already, and very well at that. — YuanSalut 01:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Of course. - BlitzballArtTidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - I can't really say more than what has been said already. He deserves it. SidVI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

DSS (Admin)

  • Support - No one yet? Well, I'll just put this here... Around often, got the know-how. - BlitzballArtTidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support- I get on with DSS great, and he has the ideal temperament and knowledge to have additional rights as admin. It would be nice to see him here a little more, though he does pop up on IRC a fair bit. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 08:41, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

SCM (Admin)

  • Comment - I don't expect this to work, but there is no harm in throwing my hat in, so here it is. I nominate myself mostly because of utility reasons. My schedule tends to be highly different to that of the active admins, making promoting me to admin a way to fill up gaps where we're short staffed in the event of vandalism issues. I'm sure most people here know that I am highly dedicated to vandal fighting and general clean up, I've had several years experience doing these things, and admin rights would give me greater effectiveness in performing these duties. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment- See, this is the right way to go about promoting your strengths. I couldn't have put it better myself. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 23:36, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Would be quite useful, and the unique time slot is a bonus, being in Austria*(My knowledge of geography is impeccable) and all. --Shockstorm (talk) 23:56, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
    • Comment- You mean Australia. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 00:00, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - woo, go Australia I wouldn't have thought of this, but it's a nice idea - BlitzballArtTidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Xenomic (Admin)

  • Support: Endlessly hard-working, with so many excellent contributions. I believe the last few times, he hasn't been nominated due to fears that his activity would be sporadic, but by now he's demonstrated that he's going to stick around. Given the amount of moving and maintenance he does, I think granting him admin tools will be helpful. — YuanSalut 01:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - I don't even know what I'm supporting but Xen does like more work than everyone combined - BlitzballArtTidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - For reasons already given. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:59, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - per above. --Shockstorm (talk) 04:55, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support- Takes note of what needs to be done maintenance-wise, with regards to article moving and creating. However, his activity isn't always constant and he has shown reluctance to get involved in some tasks himself- though that was over fixing links, and I suppose we can ask a bot to do that. That aside, I think he'd get a lot out of additional rights. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 08:35, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Scathe (Bcrat)

  • Support- I think, with three out of our four current bcrats inactive, and a distinct lack of TA most of the time, Scathe, being the user to have won on the last consensus, would be the ideal candidate. Even when not around he responds quickly enough on the Staff Noticeboard or his Talk Page, is generally friendly, and has done outside of Wiki work such as the hosting of the FFVI Let's Play, which shows his commitment to the Wiki and who comes to it for what we do. In short, yes Scathe, I fully support you :) Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 20:11, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Scathe is very consistently present and active, and puts in plenty of work with regards to the wiki – in all honesty, many of our staff don't touch the wiki itself as much as perhaps we (I am most certainly including myself here) should. As Tia noted, his taking the lead on two LPs and being involved with MMIII speak volumes about his commitment to activity in the wider community of the wiki. And, of course, he is almost ceaselessly amiable. He's certainly not the only suitable candidate, but he's probably the one I would pick first -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 20:21, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Concur with much of the above. Drake Clawfang (talk) 20:24, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Like I said in the IRC, we don't need a bcrat who's around all the time, but there's absolutely no reason not to have one other than "bluh bluh dictatorship bluh"... which I might worry about for somebody else, but not Scathe. C A T U S E 20:57, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Throwing in my vote, for what it is worth User:R8.50Mango/Sig2 21:45, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - I would prefer a bcrat who's around all the time, but in the last discussion consensus was for this, so this should be done even if it is belated. JBed (talk) 21:50, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - High-schoolers are the most obsessed users we have, and Scathe is an all-around class-act. I've never seen him do any wrong. --BlueHighwind 22:01, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - But of course. Scathe received overwhelming support during the last staff discussion to become bcrat, and to be honest I'm not sure why he wasn't promoted then. There isn't a rule against more than one active bcrat. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Yay Scathey. And what is this about high schoolers, BH? I thought most people here were older (I myself am 75 going on 85). --Shockstorm (talk) 00:00, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Scathe pls 8bit 00:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - — YuanSalut 01:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - No doubt - BlitzballArtTidus357 03:23, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Hopefully Scathe won't become inactive once he becomes a Bureaucrat. SidVI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Esprit (Acknowledgment)

  • Support - Hey, remember when these used to be handed out? I don't, because aside from Hecko, they were done before I had an account! Esprit might not want an actual staff position, but we still should do something to acknowledge all the work he's done for us, so I think it's time to bring this rank out of retirement. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:54, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support- As above. His contributions due to his stack of Ultimanias have been some of the most important we've had. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 08:30, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - Per above. --Shockstorm (talk) 09:28, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • Support - He deserves this, at the very least. SidVI 09:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
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