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		DrakeyC - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - 03:39, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
		Titled so because I'm sure other people will be brought up. I'll start it off with the dude I'm making it for, JBed. We trust him with CSS, we should trust him with Modship too. The only concern some may have is he's strongly for image naming consistency, which is fine, but would create a lot of redlinks, so if we make him mod and he takes it upon himself to overhaul image names I'd ask we have him fix his links, or he inform Catuse or myself so we can have a bot change things. Otherwise, I think he'd make a fine mod, was before, and many of our image archives can use some naming fixing.

		Shockstorm TALK - Shockstorm (talk) 04:26, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
		Yeah, I would support that. I would also say that Fenrir should be a mod, because it could be helpful when working with files, and he's made huge contributions to the older games, primarily FFVI. Finally, I think Catuse should be an admin, considering his knowledge of coding, anti-vandalism/RC patrolling, and good judgment regarding policy and such.

		Catuse says at 06:05, June 27, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		Yeah, JBed and Fenrir would make good mods. In fact in JBed's case Drake and Yuan said on IRC that they thought he was already a mod :p I'd also like to suggest that Shockstorm (40k edits, all but <100 userspace edits have been very useful, and filemove rights would help him keep the wiki maintained) and/or Espritduo (very knowledgeable, uploads countless useful images, and filemove would make life easier for him there). Me as an admin? Dunno, Drake and Kelt have been here for years more and probably would have more use for the tools, but I wouldn't mind having them -- means less work for me (having to track down admins to do adminy things) and the current admins.

Definitely JBed for, uh, re-modding, double-modding? I understand the old reasoning why he wasn't in the past, but it seems that's in the past now, and he practically runs the place, honestly. Me? Nah. I haven't been nearly as active on the wiki as I want to be (currently my excuse is recently falling in love with One Piece and trying to watch all 600 episodes all at once - 271 episodes down in two weeks!). It'd be nice to be able to rename images, delete duplicates, and other tidying-up type things when I get my upload binges, but otherwise, I've just been lurking around watching the recent changes for things to correct or revert. (I look so lame without a talk bubble....) Espritduo (talk) 07:37, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

You don't have any objections from me. I support JBed to be remodded. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 09:34, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

JBed said before he doesn't want to be a mod, just admin rights or equivalent. The idea that all filenames would follow a template would make things neater and then things would be in alphabetical order in the image categories for easier finding...but is also a soul-destroyingly boring task to do and we'd probably have to rename every new file new people will upload.

I think Catuse would make a great admin. It takes a certain kind of person to want to do maintenance work like deleting files (I for one am not at all keen to start doing stuff like that) so if anyone steps up wanting to do that, then let's utilize it! The wiki can only win really. And people who upload images a lot would benefit from having the ability to rename them if needed, so support mod rights for Espritduo and Fenrir9 if they want them.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 11:51, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Right-on. Although it kind of looks silly now that I'm a Designer and all, I don't want the title and all that comes with it (like commitment (:3 yeah fooking right, being a staff causes lack of commitment)). Designer also isn't fully-recognised, and I'd still be happy to retain that job even after I stop editing (although I'd very much like someone to learn all I know and outdo me).

In any case, I was basically told I could be modded before I even started using this account.

With that said, you guys know what I want. JBed (talk) 14:45, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

		BlueHighwind Q? 15:59, June 27, 2013 (UTC) TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:
		I'd go so far as to say, JBed for Adminship. Since he's the one most deeply obsessed with this wiki, and I think he needs those extra powers. Now, due to tradition, I must also say, BH for Adminship, just because. And finally, TA for High Primarch.

		DrakeyC - Crossing the distant night...Wandering the desert sea...The gods' voices are mirages... TALK - Drake Clawfang (talk) 16:01, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
		support Fenrir for mod too, and perhaps Esprit.

		Kaimi - "People's hearts are pure chaos. Formless and ever-changing—a mystery no one can solve. That is why humans are such contradictions. One moment they're at each other's throats, the next they're forming shaky alliances." TALK - 16:14, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
		I support mod rights for Esprit in order to help him with the filespace, but I'm not so sure about Fenrir and Shockstorm: I think that Fenrir could expand his range of FF knowledge (although I noticed him doing some FFXII NPC weapon stuff which might actually speak for the promotion) and Shockstorm's main objectives seems to be wiki and interwiki links, although I might have missed something notable of his work. JBed for mod? I see no prob. Is there an article you think is of an exceptional quality? Vote for it here!

		Catuse says at 17:58, June 27, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		JBed and Kelt - Oh yes, moving files is so sooooooul-destroying @_@ but I wouldn't worry too much about the commitment of it. Especially because giving anyone a staff position that actually requires more work is cursed, and causes inactivity less than a year later. As for me "outdoing" you, maybe, but I doubt it. Only actual experience I have with webdesign outside of wikis is my mostly empty personal website. And I wouldn't mind you as an admin -- you'd do a lot of good work with it --, but avoided mentioning it in my first post because I didn't want to open that can of worms (see: Admin Nominations thread, Staff Discussion 3D (though that happened right after the Article Creation Policy incident), and probably others). But now it's open, so I'm fine with it. Kaimi - I figure that Fenrir actually knows more than a lot of us do, thanks to his knowledge of hexediting, FFAdventure, and the FFLegend games, which he pretty much singlehandedly added to the wiki. There'll always be more people to add FFIX stuff and FFXIII stuff, but that's not the case with obscure spinoffs that maybe 10 people have played. And mod rights help with linking -- redirect-suppress and all.

		Shockstorm TALK - 22:15, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
		Yeah, I don't really have much of a desire for mod rights, as I don't really want rollback (too easy to misclick :p) and I'm ok with SDing a redirect or using the Badname template to move a file in the rare instances that come up.

		Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 20:52, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
		I support Fenrir for modding, however I feel his English may need a touch of improvement if he took up the position, as I'm often editing his edits to make a little more sense. (sorry Fenrir).

		Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 05:10, July 2, 2013 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright.
		Support JBed for mod, Fenrir too if he wants it and Esprit if he changes his mind. As long as I'm at it I'll toss my hat in the ring for adminship - you guys know exactly what you'd be getting from me; no coding genius but solid in policy, lurking in RC and doing the gnome work. I haven't been editing mainspace in awhile but I'd be excited at the thought of doing maintenance work. Take me if you'll have me.

		Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 22:35, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
		Okay, if we're offering ourselves shamelessly :P I know I've only been here two years and have a measly 5000-ish edit count, but I love this wiki and the editors; I feel I contribute a lot to filespace and mainspace as well as settling in new users, reverting vandalism, and taking part in outside-of-wiki activities such as updating the Facebook/Twitter. I also feel I've matured a lot since I began here and am up for progression. If you ever have a need of some more aid around the office, I'd be honoured to serve as a moderator.

		Catuse says at 08:04, July 4, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		Keeping things moving, currently up for moderator: Fenrir Possibly Esprit Tia Up for admin: Catuse Drake JBed DSS

		Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 10:06, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
		Yes, this seems to have reached a standstill...don't we do this with every forum we start? xD I kid, I kid. Well, Fenrir hasn't really come back on the suggestion for some time which makes me think he doesn't really want the job; Esprit has declined, and JBed would have the powers but not the position. Personally I would love to see Drake as an admin if he now reckons he's got the temperament for it- which he definitely does, I've seen a great improvement :) Cat, as a maintenance-proficient user, you'd be great for adminship, and I admit I don't know mch about DSS's speciality, but he's friendly and a long time editor, it'd be nice to see him rise up in the ranks.

The forum isn't going to go anywhere when it has nowhere to go. Currently it's just general talking about who people think should be admins. It's not controlled talk about a specific subject, which it has to be if we want to discuss our way to promoting a specific person. 92.28.178.59 14:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

		Jimcloud TALK - 15:24, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
		Well, for starters, if we want to come to some manner of decisive action, we need to figure out how we're getting to that decisive action. last time it was deliberation and then action based on user input, the time before that was designed more similar to voting and then admin decisionmaking, the time before that... man, I don't even remember the time before that. Point being, the decision on how decisions are to be reached needs to be made before a decision can even be reached. This system is so pointlessly complicated, ugh. Anyways, I will bug every admin I see for the next couple of days and see if I can get this going.

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		ScatheMote - 16:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
		The support/oppose/comment system might be better in this instance. The forum above has already gone through the deliberation and discussion phases; because interest has started to wane, changing back to the support/oppose/comment might revitalize the discussion. Though, on second thought, there are fewer people up for nomination this time. We may even want to just close the nominations (I'm not sure how much the support/oppose/comment system will add to the discussion) and head straight to the Secret Admin Lab™ discussions. If people feel that they still have more to add more to the discussion, then I suggest switching the format. Otherwise, we can head straight to the next part of nominations.

I do not think you can make a decision now based on the above. It's primarily an aimless cluster of thoughts. 92.28.179.232 16:46, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Nobody said anything about making a decision yet. Did you even read Jimcloud's post? Of course nobody can decide anything yet, we know that already. What we're now probably aiming to do is collect the "nominations" and find what everyone thinks of them in some sort of official vote. Tia-Lewise 17:27, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

"We may even want to just close the nominations and head straight to the Secret Admin Lab™ discussions." Unless I misunderstand: We are in the nomination stage, we might just want to close it and start the BTS discussion. 92.28.179.232 22:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

		Catuse says at 07:13, July 5, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		We ain't voting. Voting always turns into a popularity contest/one reason getting a ton of votes for one user. <_<

		8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 21:41, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
		Perhaps a nomination and comments section for each candidate? Rather than having a voting section when anyone could just leave a signature that would weigh equally against others, a comments section about the candidate's contributions, strengths, and weaknesses could be more encouraging of discussion.

		Xenomic TALK - 00:05, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
		Oh yes, I should totally nominate myself for...um...whatever is above what I am! Yes, of course! (Xenomic may or may not know what's above whatever he is...is he a mod? Or just merely a blade of grass floating in the wind? Only time may tell~).

		Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 18:12, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
		Can we please try and get the ball rolling again with this?

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		ScatheMote - 20:06, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
		I'm putting down anyone who has been mentioned below. There's no voting per se, but you can place comments about the person under their heading. Feel free to express your opinions regarding a certain candidate there, whether they be good or bad. Also, if there's someone not here that you think should be added (it doesn't matter if it's you or someone else), put them down. In addition to all the aforementioned people, I've put myself down for bureaucrat nomination stemming from discussion in the IRC. Edit: We should probably put an end date on this. Do we think a week would be sufficient to fully articulate all the necessary points?

		Catuse says at 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		We'll be lucky if we can keep the discussion going for three days. A week should be more than enough.

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		ScatheMote - 21:01, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
		Alright then, I'm going to lock+labyrinth this forum a week from the timestamp on this talk bubble. If we feel like the discussion is still going when that time comes, I'll extend the time.

		Kaimi - "No matter how dark the night, morning always comes. And our journey begins anew." TALK - 21:37, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
		As ScatheMote said that we can nominate even ourselves, I decided to add me as a proposition for mod. While I'm a bit aggressive at times and insult people in the changes' description, I contribute quite actively on the Wiki (I have over 15,000 edits of which around 55% are mainspace, but I also do quite a lot of filespace edits (around 8%)). If people will think I need more time or I am not suitable for being a part of an important Wiki's staff, then I don't mind. It's the contributions and their quality that matters. Is there an article you think is of an exceptional quality? Vote for it here!

Nominees

Tia (Mod)

• Support – Tia is an active contributor, fills up missing sections of articles, reverts vandalism and incorrect changes, (from what I saw from my rare IRC visits) is a frequent IRC member, and cleans up articles quite a lot. Tia is a polite person with seemingly lots of patience which may actually cause raise in number of members for FFWiki, who in time will benefit the Wiki with contributing according to our rules. And a bit silly argument: we could use of more girls in the Staff Room (for mods we have only Keltie, I'm pretty sure the rest of mods are guys). ;P —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support - Has a bit of a short temper, but is pretty hard-working (she's around more than every staff member bar maybe five, because we all suck -- including me) and seeing as she stalks RC like a hawk stalks its prey, where the prey are right out there in front of the hawk but the hawk gets all the prey because all the other hawks don't give a damn... or something like that. Whatever. Guess my point is that even if she doesn't use the other tools much (and she probably will) she'll get a lot of use out of rollback. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Fenrir (Mod)

• Support – With the contributions to various Final Fantasy titles with varying content (FFVI: dummied content,rages, lores, FFXII: enemy weapons, and quite a lot of Legend titles). Tia mentioned in the "Discussion" section that Fenrir seems to have problems with English, but I don't see flaws with that.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:39, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support- Kaimi sweet, I don't see it as a flaw, per se, I just worry what it would look like chasing a moderator to edit his edits to make more grammatical sense. That aside, Fenrir knows much we don't, has added a mountain of information regarding dummied content and Dimensions(?) amongst much more I couldn't name, and has had a hand in image uploading as well. He's also easy to talk to and is a willing assistant when needed. Support, no doubt :) Tia-Lewise 20:42, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support - A good contributor who works hard and has a lot of knowledge to add to the wiki, and already has added much. Spelling and grammar are a minor concern, even I do it more often than I'd care to admit. Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:07, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Drake (Admin)

• Support- Drake is always around, always willing to extend a helping hand, and has years of Wiki knowledge behind him. I feel in the past his temper may have held him back from being a good candidate (coupled with the fact he didn't actually want to be an admin anyway), but I think he's become much more easy to interact with, which is great, because as it stands, he knows and does more than enough to count as the ideal candidate. If this is something you want now, Drake, you'd be perfect. Tia-Lewise 20:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support - Adding on to everything Tia said, he goes on a lot of image replacing sprees; being able to delete images himself means less work for both him and the admin who's cleaning out the AfSD. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support – as I have every time previously. The guy is one of our most extensive workers on the entire damn wiki -- Sorceror Nobody  21:19, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support - There is a mild hesitance because I still dislike how he doesn't use the dup template (it's a rule dammit!), sure, he's active and contributes to discussions. JBed (talk) 21:40, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

JBed (Admin)

• Support – Simply put, JBed is our 'little' CSS master and is helpful a lot when it comes to CSS. On a side note: from what I've been reading on FFWiki, JBed would like to 'enforce' some rule regarding naming files, and the position of an admin would help him in moving files: I just wonder how would the naming template look like.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:47, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• CommentTentative support - As an editor, JBed is basically flawless. He writes pages, does maintanence, knows everything there is to know as far as policy and code goes. He puts the rest of us to shame -- and honestly, he leads the wiki... but doesn't hold any position at all. But he's said several times, on the wiki and in the IRC, that he doesn't really want to be here. So this is really up to him: if he thinks that being an admin forces him to stay here and he really doesn't want to, then this is neutral leaning on oppose. Otherwise, strong support.He insists (in IRC) that he doesn't feel like he's trapped here anymore (unless I'm misinterpreting him), and he knows himself better than I do. C A T U S E 20:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment - I feel much as Cat does, with the exception of how this influences my vote. As said in my original post atop this page, I fully support JBed as Mod, the rights would do him well. However, if he is of the mindset he does not want to be here or does not want to be tied to this place as an obligation, this is concerning. I also think that while he is an excellent user in editing, when it comes to discussing matters with him, his attitude is often obstructive. Thus I would support JBed for Mod, but would not support him for Admin. Drake Clawfang (talk) 21:06, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Neutral- I feel that JBed is just fine as a designer at the moment. I feel it's a bit unfair for him to have the opportunity to jump straight from regular user to admin without moderator in between, but for whatever reason he doesn't want the middleground. The way he speaks to people, while not perfect in terms of attitude, is still a huge step-up from what ILHI was like, and the way he addresses his points is unique, first-rate and it's impossible to not understand him, if you can get past the walls of text. While I heavily admire his devotion to the Wiki and his excellent skills in CSS and knowing just what we need, I feel that given the power of admin, the level of devotion he has may mean we end up with more enforcement and change than we may be comfortable with. As I can see good and bad points, I'm going to sit on the fence for this one, but I thought my opinion should be shared. Tia-Lewise 21:14, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Neutral – I think many of us are a little unsettled by the idea of JBed being an admin, even though it's not necessarily easy to justify the hesitation. But I agree with Cat and Drake in that I would certainly support him being "reinstated" as a mod. Moving files appears to be a large point in Kaimi's support, but mods are also capable of suppressing redirects -- Sorceror Nobody  21:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Cat (Admin)

• Support – I've seen him do enough work on the wiki that would have benefitted from him having access to the admin tools to know that he'd make good use of them -- Sorceror Nobody  21:22, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support- While I know Cat is apprehensive about it and claims he isn't around much anymore, I'd love to see him rise up the ranks as he definitely has the skills and the pleasant interaction that would make him a really approachable admin. Also, given the length of time he has been here, it would also be very impressive to see him do so incredibly well in such a short space of time. If you feel up to it at any point, Cat, I'd support you in it. Tia-Lewise 21:30, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Scathe (Bcrat)

• Support- I think, with three out of our four current bcrats inactive, and a distinct lack of TA most of the time, Scathe, being the user to have won on the last consensus, would be the ideal candidate. Even when not around he responds quickly enough on the Staff Noticeboard or his Talk Page, is generally friendly, and has done outside of Wiki work such as the hosting of the FFVI Let's Play, which shows his commitment to the Wiki and who comes to it for what we do. In short, yes Scathe, I fully support you :) Tia-Lewise 20:11, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Scathe is very consistently present and active, and puts in plenty of work with regards to the wiki – in all honesty, many of our staff don't touch the wiki itself as much as perhaps we (I am most certainly including myself here) should. As Tia noted, his taking the lead on two LPs and being involved with MMIII speak volumes about his commitment to activity in the wider community of the wiki. And, of course, he is almost ceaselessly amiable. He's certainly not the only suitable candidate, but he's probably the one I would pick first -- Sorceror Nobody  20:21, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support - Concur with much of the above. Drake Clawfang (talk) 20:24, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
• Support - Like I said in the IRC, we don't need a bcrat who's around all the time, but there's absolutely no reason not to have one other than "bluh bluh dictatorship bluh"... which I might worry about for somebody else, but not Scathe. C A T U S E 20:57, July 9, 2013 (UTC)