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| + | --> difference between friendly and enemy summons is in stats and color, so the general info about both does easily fit on one page. But all in all, these pages are inconsistent in tags, content, and focus. Do we split them?}} |
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{{Drake|time=20:13, January 26, 2013 (UTC)|text=Split, there's no reason to list both enemy and summon data on the same page.}} |
{{Drake|time=20:13, January 26, 2013 (UTC)|text=Split, there's no reason to list both enemy and summon data on the same page.}} |
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{{8bit|time=20:34, January 26, 2013 (UTC)|text= Support, to be consistent. There is a lot of redundant information, but a couple things I can think of are listing which missions they appear as enemies on the enemy page and Ring of Pacts information on the summon page.}} |
{{8bit|time=20:34, January 26, 2013 (UTC)|text= Support, to be consistent. There is a lot of redundant information, but a couple things I can think of are listing which missions they appear as enemies on the enemy page and Ring of Pacts information on the summon page.}} |
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{{Deadlyslashsword|time=20:47, January 26, 2013 (UTC)|text11=There is not a great deal of info, yes, but as long as it's all there they're not stubs. There is a bit more info that can go on both pages. Friendly espers get the (Summon) tag and enemies get the (Revenant Wings) tag, I assume?}} |
{{Deadlyslashsword|time=20:47, January 26, 2013 (UTC)|text11=There is not a great deal of info, yes, but as long as it's all there they're not stubs. There is a bit more info that can go on both pages. Friendly espers get the (Summon) tag and enemies get the (Revenant Wings) tag, I assume?}} |
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| + | {{KelTalk|time=[[User:Keltainentoukokuu|Keltainentoukokuu]] ([[User talk:Keltainentoukokuu|talk]]) 21:23, January 26, 2013 (UTC)|text=The summon info can be on the summons' parent pages the ones that exist. Things that could be added are stuff like where is the Esper on the Ring of Pacts, when can you unlock it in the story, how many of them can you summon at once...}} |
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| + | {{Deadlyslashsword|time=02:26, February 8, 2013 (UTC)|text11=First test split is done: [[Alraune (Summon)]] and [[Alraune (Revenant Wings)]]. I know a lot of people haven't played RW but any comments would be helpful. Also, for summons such as Ifrit and Diabolos that have their own summon pages, I assume we would use (Revenant Wings Summon) and (Revenant Wings Enemy) tags?}} |
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Deadlyslashsword - +Hark! What yon personage doth mine eyes see over yonder?+ TALK - 08:39, January 26, 2013 (UTC) - Shanks! I meant shanks! | |||
Getting back into RW recently had me delving into the pages for the individual summons,*which we refer as Espers whereas the games uses Espers and Yahri interchangably, but that's a discussion for another time only to find that they're a bizarre mashup of summon pages and enemy pages. All of them have the enemy template*which needs to be reformatted like XII's, with different sections for minimum and maximum stats while some have the Summon tag at the same time. Some have friendly summon stat tables while most don't. Arguably, the greatest*only difference between friendly and enemy summons is in stats and color, so the general info about both does easily fit on one page. But all in all, these pages are inconsistent in tags, content, and focus. Do we split them? | |||
Split, there's no reason to list both enemy and summon data on the same page.
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Sorceror Nobody – The supreme nonentity Talk · Flan's Elbow Colosseum · MSPA Wiki · 20:20, January 26, 2013 (UTC) "I can detect matter down to one atom in a vacuum the size of the moon, and apparently, this guy doesn't exist" -- Foaly | |||
Hmm, my first instinct is to say keep it merged, so as to avoid generating a ton of additional pages that don't have very much content on them. But really, they do warrant splitting, because tag mixing is bad. No matter how much distaste I have for short pages, that's a largely aesthetic preference; it's stubs that we have to avoid. And no matter how small a page is, it's not a stub if it has all relevant information on its subject.
tl;dr: Go ahead and split. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 20:34, January 26, 2013 (UTC) | |||
Support, to be consistent. There is a lot of redundant information, but a couple things I can think of are listing which missions they appear as enemies on the enemy page and Ring of Pacts information on the summon page. | |||
Deadlyslashsword - +Hark! What yon personage doth mine eyes see over yonder?+ TALK - 20:47, January 26, 2013 (UTC) - Shanks! I meant shanks! | |||
There is not a great deal of info, yes, but as long as it's all there they're not stubs. There is a bit more info that can go on both pages. Friendly espers get the (Summon) tag and enemies get the (Revenant Wings) tag, I assume? | |||
The summon info can be on the summons' parent pages the ones that exist. Things that could be added are stuff like where is the Esper on the Ring of Pacts, when can you unlock it in the story, how many of them can you summon at once... | |||
Deadlyslashsword - +Hark! What yon personage doth mine eyes see over yonder?+ TALK - 02:26, February 8, 2013 (UTC) - Shanks! I meant shanks! | |||
First test split is done: Alraune (Summon) and Alraune (Revenant Wings). I know a lot of people haven't played RW but any comments would be helpful. Also, for summons such as Ifrit and Diabolos that have their own summon pages, I assume we would use (Revenant Wings Summon) and (Revenant Wings Enemy) tags? | |||