New Admin Request
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 22:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
I'd like to request the appointing of a new Admin. Not anyone in particular (as I don't believe that I am actually allowed to nominate.), I simply suggest that a new one is needed; Hecko isn't going to be around as much for a while so it's gonna be kind of like having 2.5 admins around. Obviously if we were gonna go for a new Admin it would probably be best to weigh up the pros and cons of a few titled users, but of course whether or not (and who), are ultimately up to CSM. Just a suggestion, my friends. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 22:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
Also while I think about it, I was wondering about making Renmiri a titled user, y'know, she basically sorted the forum on her own, she's made one heck of a dent in the XII enemy images, and I don't even want to ask where she's getting the 3D models from :D. Just my two cents, sorry if I'm overstepping, but I'm a tad tipsy, a year older, and in a good mood! | |||
I concur, I've been tossing up whether to suggest this or whether I couldn't be bothered lol, but I'd like to nominate Diable for Admin simply 'cos of all the work he's done here, he's probably the most active member | |||
I second Stijn's nomination. IMHO, Diablo's adminship is long overdue. I also second the nomination of Renmiri for titled user. She's a great helping hand in the FFwiki. | |||
I will agree with the nomination to promote Diablocon to admin status. 'nuff said. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 10:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Well I had a short list of people to request, ranging from AK, to Lucy, to Diablo. But out of the list I had Diablo has the highest edit count, is on the most, and seems like he'd be most willing to become an admin. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 10:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
I just want to make sure Hecko's okay with it. I'm sure the answer is yes, so I'm promoting Diablo to admin. | |||
That was fast, to say the least. I go to bed, wake up, and siddenly I can delete pages. It was quite a shock. Anyway, thank you all, I shall use my new powers for good, and make sure annoying annons don't make constant annoying edits to the Tidus page (I was this close to losing it yesterday). And my votes were going to go to AK and Lucy. | |||
I moved... so I was gone for a few days... I get back and they're giving away adminship like candy. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 01:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
You call one new admin me giving admins away like candy? This is the first new admin in nine months. | |||
Maybe! I also have no real feeling about it one way or the other. One thing I do have a feeling about is our search feature... and how it doesn't really work very well anymore. That kind of gets my goat... | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Seeing as how Recent Changes get harder and harder to patrol, I think the new admin is going to be beneficial, actually to have another person who can delete joke articles. Luckilly I picked a Dungeon fan, so we'll see some of the funny stuff in the Dungeons. | |||
Aww.. Txs guys! But CSM has given me something pretty cool already: my forum is on the sidebar as an affiliate so I'm all set :) Congratulations Diablo and happy birthday Gold! Renmiri | |||
Archive
Could we archive this page, it's 62 kb long lol | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 11:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Doing it now. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox Goldberry2000 11:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Done. | |||
New policy proposal regarding Wikipedia sporks
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 02:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Currently, our policy is to "strongly discourage" them because that's an antithesis to originality and that we don't want to be a mess of Wikipedia articles. But I propose banning them entirely. Why is this? Look at the Final Fantasy related Wikipedia articles. FF related content over there is diminishing and diminishing and becoming large lists full of templates that are unsuitable for our Wiki. Wikipedia itself has reomved so much info, some relevant info was even removed to try and condense all FF info into as few articles over there. Wikipedia articles are no longer compatible with our practices. We no longer need Wikipedia to survive. We're getting more and more positive reception from members of sites like Caves of Narshe than Wikipedia anyway. For those reasons, I'm proposing banning direct carbon-copies of Wikipedia articles permanently. What do you all think? | |||
I agree. I've never liked how Wikipedia works, especially their "less is more" tactics with characters (FFVII's characters are nearly the only ones who have their own articles), so I totally agree with CSM. If someone dumps a Wikipedia article, I suggest we do a complete rewrite, not to mention tell said contributor not to do it. | |||
I vote against it. Not because CSM or AuronK are wrong, Wikipedia articles are a big hassle to dewikify, I agree with this. My problem is that I pity the enthusiastic gamer that arrives at Wikipedia and gets shooed here because any decent game info is tarred as fancruft there. The poor guy / gal is shooed from here too. What a frustrating first impression to give to someone who loves FF games as much as people here do! I think we should act as a "wikipedia rehab" and give the poor gamers shooed from wikipedia a chance to learn ways to be good contributors here before biting their head off in their first article here Renmiri | |||
I DISAGREE! I think banning the practice of copying things from Wikipedia is ultimately bad. When it comes to Yasumi Matsuno or Vagrant Story, for instance, these articles are fringe and for the most part the overview that Wikipedia provides is sufficient for a basis off of which an article can be created that is comprehensive and relivant. I would hate to think that in the future, if such an article would be needed, that we would have to write everything from scratch. My suggestion: | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 01:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Okay. The first time someone does it, and if it's their first time doing it, it's okay provided it's COMPLETELY rewritten to our standard in a week. I don't have a problem with prose copy-pasting, but the code itself shouldn't be copied. And very, very occasionally, it may be okay. But it should still be discouraged. And if Wikipedia regulars are going to dump their garbage here (they have in the past many times) repetedly and despite warnings not to, there's going to be problems. My problem is with people who dump things here and leave their trash for us to clean up. And even still, articles which are completely not up to standard (such as the old "List of Final Fantasy XII Characters," which should never have been dumped, or "Square Enix," which existed as a fine article but was replaced with a Wikipedia spork) have been dumped and not taken care of until our regulars came along and washed off the filth. There were even times where people were "Updating the article to match the form on Wikipedia," which is just downright insulting to us. I was shunned here from Wikipedia during a time when no one wanted to come here, and when people just threw out their trash here, and when the articles looked like a huge mess. And I was left alone for a month and a half writing articles at lightning speed. Even the very rare Wikipedia dumpers didn't even notice what I was doing. There will be NO BANS for people who violate this policy, just me trying to convince them to be original here. | |||
that is great CSM. There is definitely a difference between a n00b that had his game content shunned from Wikipedia and repeat offenders that use this wiki as a dumping ground. Being nice to n00bs and hard on repeat offenders I like and vote YES :) May I suggest something though ? I keep on seeing the good work of a killer 2006 team being ripped to pieces there and it is breaking my heart. The articles you, me, Ryu, Deck and others got from Yuna has a lesbian scene with Leblanc to FA class are being turned into a list of lists :( I wish we could have a copy of them here, on their original form, .i.e. right after FA selection. Sure I can copy them to my own wiki and I have, but I think it is such a pity that most FF Fans won't get to see how good those FA Articles were :( just my 2 cents Renmiri | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 06:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
You're more than welcome to put them in your userspace if you like. Just remember to subst all the templates. The reason you mentioned was actually the reason I proposed for a ban on them (seeing as how Wikipedia articles related to what we want to talk about are completely gone). I think I can remember how the whole thing worked: During the summer of 2006, Ryu, Deck, and you and I were adding references to tons of articles from FFIV all the way to FFX. We got articles on five Final Fantasy games featured, and a sixth later in the year (this doesn't include all the Chrono games, which were also featured over the summer). Then came along an admin who was very, very rude to me and kept playing the "cruft card" for nearly everything I said, even though it was 100% encyclopedic for other games in his words. He was "A Man in Black." He began corrupting the FF Project regulars, and I said right from the start I wasn't going to sell out. But then everyone else sold out and became corrupt and less willing to listen to consensus. "A Man in Black" even failed an article which was easily a GA because he wanted to see it merged and destroyed. Then everyone just destroyed my work. ALL of it. And quite a bit of yours as well. And now the goal of that project is "try to cover as much as we can in as little space as we can." It's not just a merging anymore. It's now a funneling. And I was always opposed to this funneling practice. A few days ago, I spoke out against this practice and announced my permanent retirement from Wikipedia and the cabal, standing up for my beliefs. A bunch of editors tried to convince me to stay, but Deck came over and said that I have no right to stand up for my beliefs. I now have very little respect left for them after the way I was treated. I know they are all acting in good faith, but there's a gray area for what's appropriate pruning of content and they've passed it. | |||
Wikipedia ain't no easy place to be for a newbie, since once you do a mistake it's right on the blacklist. People don't even try to help you out, just point out what you did and tell you to stay away 'till you've learnt not to do that. That, and the fact that there are way, way, way too many people (I hate people) on there is one of the reasons I prefer editing here[citation needed. They even hate trivia sections there now, totally ruining the idea of "The Encyclopedia Anyone Can Edit" (which is a lie anyway). Some information (trivial as it may be) is just impossible to put, ah, "in the main headspace". And of course, the best part is their aforementioned "Less is More" approach. A guy hates FF, and he suggests that all character articles be merged. Lazy people agree with it, and then we have lists, that can neither provide extra information on the characters, or is possible to read with all those citation numbers around. So, even though all contributions to Wikipedia are under the GNUFD License, just copying one article here, however featured it may be (it's a wonder you are able to keep the admins from deleting the articles there) is pretty damn stupid in my opinion. I mean, doesn't it feel better to make something of your own, as well as not annoying people with Wikipedia dumps? Oh yeah, I think we also should stay away from the way they do certain things there (Races of Final Fantasy article anyone?). | |||
Ah, Races of Final Fantasy. An article I tried cleaning up, and then unwitingly managed to get deleted when people realised how uneeded it was. It was certainly the epitome of how we don't do things here. From how you and CSM describe it, Wikipedia is a horrible place to edit. I've never edited there, don't even have an account. When I heard of the project, I was thinking of leaving here and joining it, but now that I know the turth about it, I'm glad I didn't. Also, what is this "cruft" you speak of? | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 21:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
"Cruft" is supposed to mean any information to make something sound like a fansite, but in practice it really means information on topics people don't like. | |||
I haven't the privelege to know Ryu Kaze, one of the prominent WP:FF members. He made the article on Shadow of Colossus, one of my favorite games, an FA. His last work was Oct 06, where did he go? Won't he join this wiki? And uh, I'm also walking out of WP:FF. It was fun making FFXII an FA, but then the WP:FF went downhill with the mergist approach they just adopt. And I've lost interest in WP and it's so-called "anyone can edit" hoax. My last work will be of FAing Vagrant Story, and then I'll walk out, check it out sometime, guys! | |||
- Ryu is teaching too many classes to have time for anything else :( But he will visit when he has time, I'm sure of it Renmiri 14:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi guys. I think it's time for me to clear the air, as I must seem like a "traitor".
- CSM, I was probably too straightforward in that comment on your talkpage. I did not mean it to sound like you shouldn't stand up for your beliefs. I was talking about the more personal aspects you were including in those comments. What I was really upset about was the fact that I went through a process a few months ago of adding Wikia links, starting the Xenosaga wikia, and even helping to draft a transwiki policy page to help move stuff more suitable for Wikia. I was promoting this Final Fantasy Wikia. I add external links to the various categories and articles here (for example, World of FF8 has a link to the FF8 locations category). I talked with newcomers about how if they want to write about details, then the Final Fantasy Wikia was for them, and if they wanted to help with scholarly overviews, then Wikipedia was for them. I know some people in the recent months have been very uncivil, and I apologize for that. I have tried to correct their behavior a few times, but there are no true "bosses" on Wikipedia. Only bullies, and I'll admit, sometimes that's how things have to be done there, what with the rigid policies. The key it so do it in a civil manner, and I see many of you were severely mistreated over there. If it was partially my fault, I'm sorry.
- WP:FF doesn't hate games, nor do we try to compress topics that we dislike. I don't know how that ridiculous rumor started, but it is as far from the truth as possible. On the contrary; the only reason FF7 still has so much detail is because there was so much of that to begin with, moreso than the other topics; it takes more time to sort through and find out what is right for Wikipedia and what isn't. Some of my fellow editors have been taking the merges very seriously and extremely, even more than myself, but I can guarentee that everything is in good faith and meant to improve the encyclopedia as it's meant to be.
- Speaking of merges, CSM, I am truly sorry about that ordeal with the Terra article. That article was well sourced, and it should have been completely copy and pasted into the article, then trimmed if needed. Whoever merged it should've done that, but it seemed like it was more of a redirect. CSM, Ren, you guys know me; when I merge things, I want to optimise the previous information and the goals of Wikipedia. Striking a balance between comprehensiveness and Wikipedia's style. Which we attained with the FF8 featured topic (and notice that the FF8 topic has a character article, a world article, a music article, and so on; it's not just one big article). When I did a few of the FF6 character merges (NOT Terra; I actually didn't mind her having the main article as the de-facto protagonist), I took the time to copy and paste the material; I added what needed to be added to the main characters article that wasn't already there. Others should have done this as well, and I think they realize that mistake and have been trying to adjust it.
- I encourage people to IM or E-mail me at SonOfYoungwood (aol/AIM). I'd like to talk about this issue, and hear if people have been personally ofended by me or whatever. I'm not an ogre :) Squall Deckiller 03:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I won't call you an ogre. I was at Wikibooks when Jimbo himself booted all game content out of there. He said he loves games but by using public funds he had to abide by a certain charter, as all non-profit organizations do. And BAM... Countless hours and hundreds of games were just deleted. Which I'm not sure we are all that safe from happening at Wikipedia, since it also depends on public funding nowadays. Those fossils who fund this stuff think "encyclopedic content" for a game or work of fiction is one paragraph saying the game exists :( A big "bait and switch" that was going from comprehensive (quantity) to encyclopedic (quality). I fail to see what point there is to duplicate Britannica with public funds, but hey, what do I know ? I'm rambling, but the bottom line is that I don't blame Deck. I've seen what the rest of Wikipedia and more importantly the money guys think of our much esteemed gaming content! Renmiri 14:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- And the key is to find a balance between the britannica wannabes and the people who like fiction, which is what are are trying to do at Wikipedia right now. Hopefully, when everything pans out, it will be clear. But, there's been enoug tension for the time being, so I've been pressing for a return of focus to improving the main articles and leaving the issue on hold (for the third time in three weeks, heh). Squall Deckiller 21:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
FYI, if you want to see what Jimbo Wales said when a lot of editors took him to task about booting games from Wikibooks it is here The whole page is a very informative read, not only about how little some editors think of games, but about how passionate others defend it. BTW, in there Jimbo complains Wikibooks is being treated as a dumping ground for Wikipedia, which is not right according to him. So CSM wasn't the first Deck. Dumping article after article might get someone's conscience at ease but doesn't help build a wiki ;) I think my suggestion for a "Wiki Annex" has merit. Merely transwiking stuff to a fully functioning wiki is very disruptive. A staging ground for expanded articles is better and lets us do things at our own leisure here. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 21:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Deck, none of this is directed at you at all. You've always been civil and good. Hell, most of the older contributors are. I've never had a problem with any of you. It's more when "A Man in Black" came in and said "Okay, this is how we're going to do things here from now on." He bullied me out of Wikipedia. I felt like the only one who wanted to disagree with him, and every time I did, he played political cards to win your favor. You're definitely no ogre, and I have no doubt that all of your edits are done in good faith. The only times I EVER violated that rule was when I found someone nominating an article for deletion out of pure spite, which he said on his blog, and when a group of admins (unrelated to WP:FF) decided to essentially force-edit articles on topics they don't like to the point of making them seem non notable and unsourceable. And I certainly appreciate your making Wikilinks here. I'm very greatful for you. Do you think you can link to the articles themselves and not just the categories, similar to how Homestar articles have links to the HRWiki? I'd appreciate that A LOT. If you do that, and if the bullies promise to start listening to their opponents, I'll come back and make the occasional contribution if need be. | |||
- Usually, the categories are linked on pages where there are a lot of topics (like character cast pages); linking to each character might make the external links section a bit too long. I'll make sure articles lacking FFWikia links have them, so that it's consistent. I'll also add a section on the WP:FF page about how Final Fantasy Wikia is good for users who want to work on a more in-depth Final Fantasy database. Ren, I think a Wiki annex might be a good idea for Wikias that are active enough to not have to live off transwikied information. Perhaps you can start a proposal with the idea? Squall Deckiller
New Category Proposal
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 06:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
I hereby propose the creation of a category for enemy articles needing images, or even general articles needing images. Whichever we think fit. It would make it a lot easier to figure out which enemy articles still need pictures, rather than having to go through all of them one by one to check. I'm not sure how to make categories, and even if I did, I wouldn't want to just make one if I wasn't sure others agreed to it. So yeah, throwing that out there. Thoughts? | |||
Wouldn't hurt, especially if we're all agreed that each enemy page should have a picture. | |||
Agreed, but it should be a general category for all articles, not just enemies. To make it more interesting, it should be a template, but who should be on the template, and which quote should be used? | |||
I'd say use Matoya and perhaps a header saying "Where have my images gone?" or similar | |||
I was thinking about using Yuna with the quote "Where are you? I can't see you!" to fit in the theme of using quotes from the games. Here's my example: | |||
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This article is missing pictures. Perhaps you can help by uploading and adding a picture. |
Pretty basic, and very boring. The problem would be that a vast majority of articles would have a template like this. | |||
Good idea, I've been wondering about doing the same thing for a while, however, the current template needs a different image, is the current height is too... heigh | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 16:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Since we're already using an FFX quote in a template (technical restrictions on naming), do you think you could do an FFIX quote? We're missing a quote from that game. Here are the games we have:
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Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 23:15, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
I'm not sure how I feel about the template idea. I mean, since so many articles would be in this category, shouldn't we just leave it as a category at the bottom of the page, or maybe make the template just text so it doesn't take up so much room at the top of the page? Just my thoughts. | |||
What about in addition to the category, having an item on the Todo list: Articles to improve with images. This way people here can prioritize which articles should be "decorated" with images first. I remember the Wikipedia FF team - on the good old days - had it and it worked well Renmiri | |||
That template is kind of large and it is very pink. I don't have a problem with articles that need a picture having such a template; however, I think the template should be small and religated to the upper right hand corner of the page. The size I would endorse is 1/2 the size of a userbox hopefully. I don't want them to be distracting. Really we have some pretty obnoxious templates for things here which hurt my spartan sensibility. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 00:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
I want to have a go at this. I'll get back to you in the morning with my idea, and I will be using an IX theme. | |||
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| This article is in need of a few pictures. Perhaps you can help by uploading and adding a picture or two. | |
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Talk about bad taste in interior decorating; This article needs pictures, sort it out ASAP. |
How's that? --Goldberry2000 11:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Nice work GB. Love 'em. I'd say use the first one for major articles only and one of the smaller ones to use on enemy pages. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 17:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Glad you like it. I want to see what some others think before they go into actual use. I'll ignore anti-FFIX propoganda, or course :P | |||
I like the big one. The other two are automatically failures though, not because of the artist who drew the picture used, no sir. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 20:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Oh, and anti-Amano propaganda too. Even though he is the worst of all the Final Fantasy artists... | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 21:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Amano pwns all of you. But you guys are right in that the top template is the best. | |||
My vote for the topmost template. When can we use it? | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 18:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
I'll run it through right away :D | |||
Look's good. I still say the smaller, single line one should be used for the enemy pages. | |||
Just wondering, but why hasn't this been implemented yet? I only ask because a whole bunch of new things (which I myself added) are in need of pictures. And as I said above, I know jack about codeing stuff. Just wondering when this was going to be implemented. --LaZodiac 01:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
This template already is active. Place {{Images}} at the top of a page that needs a pic | |||
Oh. Sorry, I didn't know that. I didn't see it in the Templates section of FFWiki help and rules, so I just made a guess.--LaZodiac 03:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
No probs :) Category:Templates is the place to go to browse through all the available templates. | |||
Bestiary
--Cdc100 14:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC) We should put a bestiary page on this site. I'm tired of looking for information on enemies on different websites. What do you guys think?
We'va already got them, for most of the enemies, just have a look for the enemies using the search function or the categories for enemies and you'll find them. | |||
EDIT CONFLICT- Go to "Category:Final Fantasy ... enemies" and you'll find all the individual pages there | |||
--Cdc100 14:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)Where's "Category"? I'm a noob on this site.
Go here and replace XII with whichever game you want | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 14:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
We still have a long, long way to go. Even with FFVI and FFXII, which are our two most extensive bestiary sections. | |||
The FFIII one is particularly bad, with only 2 entries, and those are bosses. I would write some articles when I can find my DS' batter charger | |||
If it helps, I gave you a complete list of beasts a while ago, and today I went to the Categories link above and made another list with the beasts you already have. You guys have 196, including some dupes (i.e. Chaos and Chaosjet) while the bestiary on XII has 384 beasts. I think a list would help IMHO Renmiri 23:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
- Aha!!! Found why there are only 196 foes in the Category:Enemies in Final Fantasy XII. You don't have rare game, hunts, bosses, etc.. in it. So StijnX link above is not useful as a true bestiary. If we don't have a category that includes all foes for XII, then we should have at least a list, right ? Renmiri 02:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 03:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
First of all, there are more than 196 XII enemies in that category. Since you can only have 200 articles on one page of a category, it automatically put them on a second page. Second, did you miss the top of the Category:Enemies in Final Fantasy XII where it has sub-categories for the bosses, rare game, and hunts? | |||
- I see what you are saying but shouldn't all the rares, hunts and such be also on the category enemies ? The way it is looks like you are missing stuff, like "Dark Bones" is not on the D's of enemies, even though it is there later on the rares. Renmiri 22:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- First, I just want to say, there isn't an enemy called "Dark Bones," which would explain why it's not there. Maybe you meant something else? And is there really someone who would go to the XII enemies category looking for, say, the Lindbur Wolf, not see it there, and just think, "Oh, they must not have it," without even thinking to check any of the subcategories? I like how the subcategories keep things organized. If we put all the rare game, marks, and bosses in the regular enemies category, what would be the point of even having subcategories? --Mymindislost 23:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- The point of the subcategories is to help you find just the rares, just the bosses, etc... But by not having a general category for all of them, the Bestiary may look incomplete to some n00bs and even some experienced wiki users. You say no one will think there is no Lindbur Wolf if they don't see it on the L but that is exactly what I thought about Abelisk until I realized it just wasn't categorized as XII enemy. Just my 2 cents Renmiri 23:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys. During my trek to completing the FFXII Bestiary, I've done some disambiguing and I think more will come soon, one of which I could see is Archaeoaevis, also a Boss in FFIV, I think. I'm also doing this sporadicly, and extensive only at certain times of the day. | |||
Nope. No Archaeoaevis in FFIV. I also don't think a bestiary article is needed. I suggested once that all the FFVI enemy pages could be rearranged to fit the Advance bestiary, but I didn't get any feedback on it. | |||
My mistake, it was Archeoavis in Final Fantasy V Advance. | |||
Forum?
I'm not sure whether you have discussed this before, but what about using a wiki-forum rather than this page? The advantage is that conversations are organised with one per page, and then those pages are organised into a index list that shows whether there are new posts on each. You can see an example on the Central Wikia, on their forum pages. I love these forums, they are much easier to read and to follow conversations. And they need a lot less archiving! If you want this, I'd be glad to help set it up. | |||
FOR! | |||
I believe CSM already tried setting one up, but no one used it, and it just went ignored. | |||
The only forum I remember us ever having was separate, no one ever used largely because about 1/2 the time I just didn't work. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 17:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
And besides, we have a working forum now that is relatively spam-free. Here | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 21:51, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
I tried to set up one of those forums similar to the Village Dump over at my beloved Uncyclopedia. But it didn't work. I'm hoping that might solve some of our problems. Any tips on how to do that? | |||
This is the sort of forum I mean, I like the way they work on Uncyclopedia too. There are some instructions on how to set these up at Wikia:Help:Forum set up, or I'd be happy to do it for you... I've done a few by now ;) | |||
Hey Sannse, does CSM and the admins here have access to Monobook.css and the otehr files mentioned on the instructions ? If they do, I might be able to reskin this wiki's monobook like I did with mine to have a more jazzy front page. Perhaps not black though. Most Wiki faithful have a heart attack when they see my black wiki ;) | |||
That was supposed to make the page look better? I'll be damned. | |||
no, that one made my wiki look just like my forum. I have some wiki-phobics in there that get a rash when they see a wiki ;) point is we can change fonts and color scheme here, add banners, move stuff around... All by changing the monobook.css | |||
I for one, am quite happy with the current set up. No black/auburn color scheme here thanks. | |||
hihi! Are you sure ? my pink girly wiki is to die for! ;) | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 01:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
No, no, no. Not black. It's too typical of an FF site. I'm looking for something more like a CoN setup. Something a little more lighthearted, which is what most of us are. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 23:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
The forums are set up | |||
yay to forums! Renmiri, yes admins have access to Monobook.css, but there is the new skin coming soon, which is the default for new users and anons (old users will be default monobook and can choose which they want to use. So if you change the monobook look here, it won't be seen by all users once the new skin is here. The skin is still under development, so there are only two versions available at the moment, but there will be more combinations later. inside.wikia has lots more info about this. | |||
The forum is cool Sannse! Is this the AWC mod or did Wikimedia include forums with the latest release ? BTW, if you guys add mods, I highly recommend that you get the AWC Multiple Image loader Extension because it would make our work here sooo much easier!!! As for the skins, don't worry, I can do both. But it seems my black and pink skins are not a hit here - can you imagine that? ;) so I'll wait word from CSM and the admins here to see what they decide and by then your new skin should be done | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 21:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
I plan to use the black skin for holidays (like a Halloween reskin). I wonder if it's possible to reskin individual pages? | |||
Renmiri, the forums are an extension written by an Uncyclopedia user, very handy. I'll ask the technical guys to have a look at the extension you mention, and see if it's suitable for us :) On the skins, the new skin doesn't give the same css access yet, so the look is fixed (although there is a light and dark version). The plan is to develop it further though. You can preview the skin at Inside Wikia (change your preferences to see the lighter version) | |||
Wee, thanks a million!!! Being able to load several images at once will make it much easier for us to load bestiaries and other large collections of images here {{grin}} I'll look at the new skin ASAP | |||
I saw this weird boss
Well theres no page on it looks like a wierd vortex gate thing its from ff4 anyone know what it is.
- Are you sure you're not referring to the Atomos, from Final Fantasy V? --Auron Kaizer 11:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Yep it was atomos man that thing is freaky.
{{{hehe that thig is freaking crazy lookin}}} | |||
Then link to that template and use this code
articles of VS
I'm going to expand some Vagrant Story into this wiki. My ideas: Put three main character article; Ashley Riot (done), Sydney Losstarot (done), Romeo Guildenstern, "Characters of Vagrant Story", "Enemies of Vagrant Story" (complete with pictures) and "Locations of Vagrant Story". Maybe i'll expand some other lists too, like abilities, magic, equipments and whatnot if I feel like it. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 15:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
Please remember to take things no further than Kingdom Hearts has been taken; A page for the game, a page about the main characters (main protagonist, main antagonist), a villians or enemies page, an "other" characters page, a locations page, and a key terms page (a link to the Grand Grimoire in the template). I know this is all you've said you'll do anyway, but I just want to clarify that. Despite how big the Kingdom Hearts template is (38 links), there are only a total of 11 pages linked to. Although VS is set in Ivalice, we still want to keep the articles on non-FF games to a minimum (though the content on those pages can of course be as expanded as you can be bothered to do). | |||
I like them. Very clean looking pages. Thumbs up buddy! | |||
NEWBIE HERE
I have looked and looked and skimmed through help, but how can I get that table thing like every other user? everyone has it, with the job type and so on, but i can't work out how to get it...help me please, and when i wrote this it would not display my pic or speech bubble or username like evereyone else
- SephirothVII
What we have to display our text in these boxes is our TalkText templates, that is the basic one, with [[Template:TalkTextTest2|TalkTextTest2]] being the most recent version. What you have to do is create your own template page [[Template:Sephiroth]] or something like that, and follow the instructions on the TalkTextTest2 page. Just fill in the empty boxes and keep the filled in ones as they are and you'll be able to link to them with {{Sephiroth|time=~~~~~|text=What you wanna write}} | |||
{{{how do u creat a template and save it to the websight?}}} | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 15:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
Check here for info on making a Talk template. | |||
See Also
I've been looking over Wikipedia, the help there, and our own info. I have been trying to make the See Also Template more user-friendly for items that may have more than 1 related topic. I was hoping to do this within the See Also template, but rather than mess with a very popular template, I created the See Also Also Template for my own editing attempts. I have made the See Also Also template capable of taking 5 arguments in fashion {{See Also|1|2|3|4|5}}. I could make it do more. If you look at Wikipedia's, I'm pretty sure it is more eligant in terms of volume of characters, but computationally more taxing (n vs. 2n). They have their template set up to do up to 15. I'm not sure we'll need that here. What do you think? EXAMPLE:
{{See Also Also|Template:See Also|Template:See Also Also}}
{{See Also Also|Template:See Also|Template:See Also Also}} | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 18:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
That will come in most handy. It'll stem the flow of Disambig pages a little. Nice idea TA. | |||
The See Also template has been changed to accept 5 different articles. | |||
Green and red numbers?
I have noticed that in places like RecentChanges, some have green numbers, some have red. What exactly do those mean?--LaZodiac 17:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
A green number means that more info has been added to the page (like +300 bytes), while red means info has been taken away (like -50 kilobytes). It was a more recent update to this wiki. | |||
Oh, thank you very much for the quick response.--LaZodiac 18:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- I thought it was for how many letters are added/removed. Red is removed and green is added. If it were kilobytes, some new pages would be 1000+ kilobytes, and the suggested limit for this wiki is 64 kilobytes or something? --Auron Kaizer 11:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
How do you vote for the character battles
Hey im new and yes my username is weird but how do you vote for the character battles
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Up-to-date
I am slowly making my return, but only part-time. I won't be back full-time (and by full-time, I mean I can write something at my leisure) until September 24. So I need someone to give me a, for lack of a better word, report on what major happened in my absence and what changes and whatnot that I should pay attention to in the future. | |||
Biggest change, and you've no doubt noticed this, is that we now have collapsible templates. Now we can make templates freaking huge, which is nice. We have an on-site Forum. Again, you saw this no doubt. Our user-base has expanded a bit. I'm not sure which users have joined in your absence, but I'm sure they can make themselves known. We've been doing some major cleaning up, moving pages and sorting categories like there's no tomorrow. The lay-out of the Wiki has been getting nicer. Those are some of the more major things. I think GoldBerry was keeping a list if I remember correctly. | |||
Excellent, thanks. I'll let Gold fill me in on the minor things when he has the time. | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 14:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
Appart from the main bits and pieces, we're just talking things like a minor rework of the userboxes page, shifting of things on the main page, some clever stick added the to-do list to the sidebar (which saves me a lot of time), although the to-do list hasn't been used massively in your absence. Vandalism is definately down, and people are learning to categorise and such more and more, which leaves precious little work for wikignomes such as myself. | |||
So it's safe to say that more users are learning "the way" and that we are more or less done with everything, at least until the next game comes out? | |||
Pretty much. Most people are now just creating enemy and location pages. I'm sorting out the disambig pages. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 19:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
Well, well, well. Look who's back! Also, you forgot to mention Diablo is now an admin. | |||
SandBoxs?
Ok...this seems like an interesting feature. I'm just wondering...how would one go about getting/making one? Also, just as a notice...I think its time for another archive thingy. | |||
Just make a Final Fantasy Wiki page called Sandbox. However, I don't think our Wiki needs one. I'd just recommend a person edit their own user page if they want to experiment. | |||
Opps. I guess I miss wrote my words abit. I meant a personal one. | |||
Oh, that's easy. Type in a link to your userpage, then put a slash, then what you want to name your page. For example: User:LaZodiac/Sandbox Just replace sandbox with whatever you want. | |||
Improvement Drive
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 11:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
I figure if we're in the habbit of stealing other wiki's ideas (A JOKE, people), we should cast our eyes over to the "Improvement Drive", y'know, where the entire wiki is supposed to focus all available efforts on one article in desperate need. Say what you think, everyone. | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 11:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
Sounds like a good idea to me. Nifty. ^_^ EDIT: Upon further contemplation, it seems like there might be a problem with edit conflicts. Is there any way we can prevent that? Edit conflicts are the most frustrating thing about editing wikis, at least for me... -_- | |||
Goldberry2000 - That was a rhetorical question, and the answer was my fist TALK - Sandbox 12:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
There's not much we can do about Edit Conflicts. I just tend to write what I intend to (in correct syntax) in notepad before i go to edit, and that way I just hit paste and it's done. I think I've had about one edit conflict since I started here, and that was on a talk page. But I can see where your coming from, and yet no, I don't believe there's anything we can really do about it. | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 13:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
That's a really good idea. I might have to start doing that now... I guess the only way to prevent edit conflicts would be to say on a talk page "Hey, I'm editing this article," and say "Okay, I'm done" afterward. But I know we're not going to do that and I don't think we should, at least on any regular basis (I've done it a couple of times for really huge edits, like Loot (Final Fantasy XII)). | |||
"Report a problem"
Hi All. Wikia have made a new feature that may be useful to you. It's a link/tab on each article to "report a problem". This leads to a small form that can be used to give information on what's wrong. Admins then have a special page that allows them to mark each as fixed, not a problem, or to flag it for Wikia staff. The idea is to catch all the people that don't know enough about wikis yet to fix things themselves, or how to find admins to help them. At the moment, we get email from people with problems that would much better be addressed by local admins, maybe this will help fix that! So, this will be enabled shortly and is on Inside Wikia now. Please have a look at it, try it out, and let us know whether it's something you want. The reports page is at Special:ProblemReports and the link/tab is on each article page. If this won't be helpful to you, we can disable it for your wiki. All feedback gratefully received! Thanks | |||
Dear Everyone
Please take a look at this list to see what images you've uploaded, but which isn't being used. If you still cannot find a use for them, please VFD them. I will then look through all the VFD'd images at midnight, my time (5 hours from now), and if I too cannot find a use for them, they will be deleted. I'll also look through those images not up for deletion, and if I think they should be deleted, I'll start a discussion. | |||
Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 17:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
I thought this was going to say "I'm fed up with your rotten rocket! I'm going home to Marlinspike! Signed, Captain Haddock. | |||
Aaaah, the Adventures of Tintin... Oldschool comics, how I missed ye. Anywho, 5 hours people, chop chop. | |||
Propositions
Hey. This is only my second day being a user, but i thought of something to add to the wiki. We could possibly make a link or forum about cool or funny things that have happened to you on FF. Or, a poll for the top favorite game, character, world, etc. Though this might be too much like the coliseum or lamest/coolest thing in the FF series, I was just pitched an idea. | |||
Technically all this is already covered by our Forums and the Colloseum; but still I admire your balls for editing this page so early. Keep pitching those ideas IK7. | |||
This is just a question. On all summon monsters, particularly in FFVIII, would it be better to add another section just for the summon's attacks if not already there? I personally thought it would be better instead of having to look through the entire article just to find out about a GF's attack. | |||
Forums...
Just wanted to ask, are you still using this page as the place to talk about wiki issues? I looked at the forums, and they all seem to be places for game info or other related chat. Or did I miss something? :) | |||
This place is currently underused because discussions are usually made in the forums. | |||
Which of the sections is usually used for talk specifically about the wiki? I can't see it... | |||
Funny story, neither can we... | |||
Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 12:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
As far as the forums go, I think topics concerning the whole wiki tend to get put in Forum:Rin's Travel Agency just because that's the one used for general discussion. There are a few topics in there concerning wiki issues (Forum:Wikia Says: No more external images!, Forum:Gaming wiki chat this Sunday!, and Forum:Recent Changes broken to name a few). When discussing changes to the entire wiki, like a policy change or new feature, I at least usually edit some kind of pertinent talk page. But hey, that's just me. :/ Perhaps we should make a new forum for wiki/wikia issues? | |||
I don't know if there should be any limit to the number of Forums one wiki can have. I've never been that motivated to search out other wikis and see how they did it. But I think issues of wiki/wikia should just be kept in a proper place aka here. | |||
I think we have too many already. The Sanctuary of Zi'tah seems to be more or less the same thing as the Returner's Hideout. Is there really that great a difference between fanfiction and fan art that they must each have seperate forums? I don't think so. They should be combined into a single Forum. Plus the Sandsea's Tavern has no real niche at all. It started out as game help but then mutated into, I don't even know what. The less forums the better. I certainly don't want to see the Forum page descend into a mile long page of endless forums for each little baby topic one can think up. | |||
Agree with BH. The Forums are in clutter. Too bad Ren seldom log in to moderate the Sandsea Tavern, but I think it should just be merged with the Dollet Hotel or Rin's Travel Agency. And so does the Zi'tah and Hideout. | |||
I think a space for wiki related talk would be good, the forum format is easy to use and very handy for questions like Can someone tell me how to fix my userpage? But I can see why you wouldn't want to add yet another section. It sounds like it's a case of organising what you have, or showing more clearly what each section is for, rather than a need for expansion | |||
While it is a good idea, it is also a lost cause. We already had a vote-off on the subject of "merge'n'organize", and the majority was against it. And I too, some days ago, suggested that there should be a caption telling specifically what forum is for what topic (on the index page), but that idea didn't even get to the voting tables. | |||