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Problems with Content[edit source]

  • Background needs to be redone, far too big on smaller monitors and leaves too much blank space on the larger ones
  • Gray boxes(?) in thumbnailed pictures
  • Overlapped Happy Chocobo logos - though this may be a cache issue caused by JBed's update Y
  • Galleries no longer open immediately
  • Too much blank space to the right of navboxes
  • Padding etc. formatting enemy infoboxes is ruined. clicky
  • Infobox tabber is ruined. (see above) Y
  • Weirdness with the new navigation, for example there is a "Forum:Index" link called More Forums, when (a) the plural of forum isn't actually forums and (b) far more importantly, we already linked to all the fora
  • Favicon doesn't show for some people
  • Slow to load in Firefox - in some cases appears to not load at all (Wikia will most likely fix)

Discussion[edit source]

We have a number of things in place that should make designing for new skins easier, sort of. The Recent Wiki Activity box seems like a good place to put Article Icons, though this brings up something awkward about the design:

You see, the thing about Oasis is after the rail stops, it just looks like there is a massive gap where content looks like it should be able to flow into. This design doesn't do that, but it basically puts rails contents as part of the page. So infoboxes will go below it. That will be our biggest issue.

Fuck that right? I don't think Wikia want right-floated infoboxes used on wikis. If mobile skin is anything to go by anyway. Maybe we should just go for a full-width design; infoboxes bring a lot of trouble anyway. Though honestly I'm not much a fan of full-width infoboxes because they require considerably more complex design. I imagine what this was would give you an idea of how that looks.

Alternatively, icons could be moved to the left and our custom rail items could just be pop-outs. Like how the TOC is. Like how the TOC is? Aww, fuck that man. JBed (talk) 05:36, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

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Thankfully this new skin is basically pre-alpha, and reaction to it has been so negative (they had to remove it from one of the test wikis due to overwhelming hatred) that it will likely go though some revisions. But we still need to prepare for this in case the stupidest parts remain.

As such, I suggest an endorsement of Adblock Plus on the front page. :P

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I am aware of how other wikis do it, although we couldn't do it like that and look good without considerable changes. The icons are too damn high. JBed (talk) 15:52, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

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You can now view any page in Venus with "useskin=venus". [1]. I would imagine the edit form isn't the planned edit form. JBed (talk) 11:48, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

It's using Wikia.js (so I imagine Wikia.css) too. For JS not much of a problem, if skin=="venus" or "oasis". For CSS, a bit more of a problem. There is a class in the body that determines the skin, but the inclusion of that plays with the importance of the CSS rule.

I imagine they'll fully abandon oasis, so that probably is for if we decide to work on venus before it's implemented. I'll actually probably make "MediaWiki:Venus.css" and import it via JS for now until it becomes the actual skin. JBed (talk) 11:54, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

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Oh, here's another page. You'll see the infobox being shoved here. Because of clear:right that .infobox grants and rel infobox isn't on it. JBed (talk) 12:27, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm interesting to see it. Headers as links looks terrible because they are so large. Also References sections look pretty gross with the gaps. I guess it'll be easier now to read on a tablet.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:25, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, changelog:

  • 16:47, January 14, 2015 (UTC) Made the logo bigger, other logo changes to make liek other skins to facilitate changing logo for special skins/events. If it appears weird, the CSS isn't updating properly.
  • 23:47, January 15, 2015 (UTC) Gave the MWV module a darkened background to visually separated it from content.

Now, to people talking about spaces between paragraphs: This issue isn't poor design on their part. The font-size is meant to be 16px, but we actually set it to 14px for consistency across skins because that's what Oasis uses.

So do we keep 14px and I reduce that gap, or do we go with what they want us to use?

? We can still lower the gap more if people still think it's too big. I personally like 16px. JBed (talk) 16:47, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

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Personally I think 16px looks a little too big. Cat, I'm not sure what's supposed to be wrong with tabber, that example page you linked appears to work perfectly. Infobox formatting looks pretty dire though, we may need to work on a redesign.

Also the favicon is gone in Venus. Why the hell are you reducing our happy chocobo density, Wikia? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:51, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

It was probably a cache error, or JS being stupid, but the second tab would disappear when you clicked "Show all".
Favicon works for me, so I'm guessing that was a server-side hiccup. C A T U S E 01:37, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

The problem with the spacing on navboxes is obviously from interfering CSS. There's no reason to be changing the code of templates. JBed (talk) 23:18, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

"but it seems like Wikia place some restrictions on infobox CSS classes"

That's now how CSS works. Anything they can do we can do too, including reversing everything they do. JBed (talk) 00:10, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

I've heard conflicting propositions from the other two designers


I don't have any ideas, unless mindless rambling on IRC counts. JBed suggested blocks a la Caves of Narshe, this will probably work in every medium and is more in line with non-wikis do things. C A T U S E 02:04, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

It's of minor problem for the Wiki I presume, but {{sideicon}}s does not appear in Venus.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:06, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

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