Forum:Map extension

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		Hi, I'm not a very often visitor of the Final Fantasy Wiki, (nor an editor for that matter), but with the release of the new Wikia Maps, I ask if we could somehow incorporate this into the wikia. Using the extension we can make maps of the dungeons in order to allow players to see where treasure is located. Currently all that we have are lists of treasure that can be found in the dungeon, sure it is sorted on each floor and monster-in-a-boxes are listed, but with maps we can show specifically where each treasure is located.

I don't know what the extension is, but we have our own ways of displaying things on maps. We don't because we don't have all the maps, and also our articles aren't up to the expectation anyway. On a better written article, like Kefka's Tower, the list of items links to the area it is found in, and then the location explains specifically where the item can be found. On other articles we actually have maps that points out things. On some articles we also point out locations of things by trix already.

Not that I don't imagine that whatever the Wikia Maps extension is will be bad. But the extension won't solve the problem, we need the maps to be able to point out the locations, and most of our articles aren't good examples because our writers haven't yet written sections about treasure location up to the expected standard. JBed (talk) 20:40, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

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		Even though we don't have all the maps, most of them can still be found on the internet. As for what the extension is... it is a Google Maps clone that allows you to create 'pins' and place them on the map. It's actually very easy to use and only requires the image of the map in question. (FYI, I'm referring to the 2D games (FF1-FF6) and not to 3D, how that will be possible... I have no idea about that).

		Kaimi - Let's keep smiling! It really helps! TALK - 21:30, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
		For 3D games I suppose we could use minimaps and such as a 'replacement' of the actual 2D maps from S/NES era. I see little problem there. There are two more things to consider however: Page loading times. Area maps. While I don't know how much the page loading time would increase I don't suppose the raise would be more than a second, but I suppose area maps would be replaced with treasure maps. Or would we incorporate treasures into the Area maps? Is there an article you think is of an exceptional quality? Vote for it here!

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		Treasure maps can of course be incorporated, the pins then have to be sorted in categories, hell you can even choose a custom pin icon which allows you to change the way it looks. So yeah incorporation with the area maps is possible. As for loading times... unless you have an old computer that has trouble with google maps... no problem.

For people who need more info, Blog page Help page. I don't know about the other admins but I'm not going to even consider enabling this until the issues mentioned in the comments w.r.t. blocked users still being able to edit maps and anyone being able to delete maps are sorted out. I do like the idea though. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:17, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, the idea is great for Tactics and Dissidia maps but the execution makes it unusable until the kinks get worked out. C A T U S E 01:31, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

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		I'm just glad that the idea isn't immeadiatly rejected and still possible.

		23:02, August 7, 2014 (UTC) Technobliterator Talk
		I just want to say I fully support this idea. Having tested it on SporeWiki, the reaction was extremely positive as the feature is very easy to use and incredibly useful. It's also not a strain to enable it in WikiaLabs. It would be incredibly useful for the Locations pages, and for things like the World of Balance in VI which has a map for it. Only problem would be putting a map together using screenshots, but I suppose Drake's the man for that job. I would love to see this implemented on the Final Fantasy Wiki, that said, we do have tons going on with Etymology and Lua...but we also have tons of users. :D So if this idea is implemented, I'd be very happy to help out. I could gather screenshots from Final Fantasy's V, VI, IV and IVTAY to be used in a map for those games if needed.

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		Wait for bugfixes and etymology project to be done so we have more manpower. Then I'll enable it.

Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / / 01:29, November 3, 2014 (UTC) STATUS UPDATE: We have no idea if the delete/block bugs still exist so we're going to do some testing now. Please hold, and if something completely breaks, feel free to blame me for it. EDIT 01:43, November 3, 2014 (UTC): Bugs are fixed, aside from a bit of graphical weirdness when first creating a map everything works fine, so it's staying on. Please don't overuse though, it's pretty spammy on the Recent Changes

Wooo.. this stuff is really cool! i can totally see it working for FFXI and FFXIV area maps. Can they be embedded in articles tho? If so it'd totally change the way we handle location pages in like FFXI, which are not particularly text heavy --Arciele Spira (talk) 05:48, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

They can be embedded both on and off the wiki. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:00, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

EDIT 06:17, November 3, 2014 (UTC): Like so:

Doesn't seem to embed correctly in Monobook though.

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		Even though the tools probably exist to embed smaller maps and add details, this potentially could be useful for me when it comes to mapping out the FFXII Treasure locations. I'm interested to see if this could evolve into a potentially easier map-making system.

Heh, it doesn't work well with Monobook like BlueH said. The Recent Changes spam could be avoided with hiding the edits related to adding points to the map. Also, each point of interest requires one edit? Can't that be done all at once? From what SCM says it appears to be the case.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:39, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

well, policy dictates that the wiki is primarily optimized for Oasis no? is it possible to determine how many people currently browse using monobook (i know i do lol)? but anyway until the monobook bug is fixed tho, a workaround could probably be to have a link (like this? Map of Limsa Lominsa Upper Deck) to go alongside it? or if its possible to code into the embed itself.. so that at least if the embed doesnt work, you can click the link to redirect (cos right now it doesn't work on monobook either way). Also interested in knowing how much customization one can have on this--Arciele Spira (talk) 17:14, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

[[Template:Map|Here you go]]. Doubt Monobook embedding will ever work but you can still view maps so we can just go with that. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:41, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

thx. and a qn on a related note. haven't played around with this yet but we have to keep uploading pins? i'm gonna see how this works with the native map sizes from FFXI--Arciele Spira (talk) 02:47, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

I think we have to just upload pins individually for each map, yeah. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 02:51, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

hmm then maybe it'd be good to have a project page where we have an overall map legend so that we can standardize the icons that people will be uploading (if/when we start on this proper). anyway i think i broke something, cos i get a "{"message":"Not found"}" on the maps i uploaded--Arciele Spira (talk) 03:12, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

5272 and 5270 (marked as deleted so I'm not sure if non-admins can see it) are working fine, not sure what happened to 5271 (I can see deleted maps, so it's not that). -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 03:18, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

hmm I see it now. Probably upload delay or something. still cant figure out a good default size to work with. ffxi maps are 512x512 by default, which is too small. i tried a 300% with map5272, which seems too big. maybe ill try 200% next ( i think the game itself uses 200% zoom). what size was the limsa map you used? -Spira/lazytologinonipad--202.161.58.113 04:37, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

2048x2048. I don't expect most maps to be that size, but I had the time and resources to make one so why not. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:42, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

for some reason i keep getting this not found thing when i upload a new map... not sure why it happens but its really annoying--Arciele Spira (talk) 14:42, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, there are shortcomings RE: Monobook and Recent Changes. The solutions are to use the "View in Oasis" option in the monobook toolbar, and to disable logs in the recent changes (click "Hide logs" or append ?hidelogs=1 to the URL) if somebody's flooding the RC with map edits. C A T U S E 19:40, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

WHOA! That is so freaking cool. I need to have that for FFXII locations! *Drools* --BlueHighwindツ 20:18, November 3, 2014 (UTC)