Votes for Nanaki
- Only for the picture. Squall's going to win anyway. MystRay 00:12, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- I hate Squall. --Xepscern 00:27, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Poor Red... stands no chance. Blue Ivory 01:06, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Acrum92 01:14, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Unlucky 13 = Win Kupohunter
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- Oh my god! He killed Cait-- *shot* BfD t/c 01:34, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- For the pic as well..KayReeed 02:52, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- I know Red is going to lose, but Christ, the only disadvantage he has is not being the MC of his own game. He's a powerful fighter and decent mage, his losses are quite possibly the most real and most tragic of any character in the series, and I think he's quite frankly a better character. Anyone citing him as a cliché is totally disregarding the depth he was given in that under his act of being so adult, he's still quite young and inexperienced. Bugenhagen's death and the aftermath made me feel worse than him than for any other character in the series bar none, because it's clear he just lost the most important person in his entire life. He's also, for the purposes of his home game, the last of his kind, and his lifespan means he'll watch everyone else grow old and die long before him. And despite all that, he does what every other character in the series doesn't and refuses to go emo.
Compared to that, Squall is twice as flat a character and cliché in triplicate. Bluestarultor BSA 03:14, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- The above made me change my vote --Strife95 03:19, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Best character from VII. Fëasindë te audio 04:21, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Koharu Nami 07:21, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Not Squall -Paramina 09:37, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- It's Cat-Dog! R8.50Mango 10:41, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- His story, however brief was much more heartfelt than Squall's u-turn. Hamfruitcake 09 10:45, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Red XIII is cool, Squall is an emo. RazielZero 10:58, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- While I consider both characters to be cool and interesting, Nanaki here deserves my vote more. MirrorshardSceada 14:06, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Master Conjurer 18:16, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Pic almost makes me not hate Cait Sith. -SideburnsPuppy 22:35, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- i like squall but i like red more :D Dragoon667 00:11, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
- I like to name Squall Leon to piss off all the VIII fanboys I know. DrakemasterDrake 02:01, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Purple lightning 14:23, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
- Go go red XIII! Mog&Boko 17:16, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
- Changed my vote. I would pay good money to see Squall get beaten by Red XIII. Finally, an upset I can get behind! Jimcloud 17:23, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
- F*** you, Squall. Masamune 19:52, November 2, 2010(UTC)
- Talking dog! Jamiemitsu FTW 22:04, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Cause the Red needs love. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 23:34, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Going for XIII RedCap 20:31, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Tiebreaker OwlEye 20:52, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Nice pic ApatheticAngel 22:25, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
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Votes for Squall
- After playing Dissidia I officially like him. ◄ Θάνατος ► 00:12, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually important. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:22, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- BiggsandWedge 00:33, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, but Red XIII is a small-timer. The Man In The Black Cape 00:48, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Human> cliché "wise talking animal", Gunblade>combs, Leon Heart> What ever Red XIII's limits were. Win Likeacupcake 01:14, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Go go.Keltainentoukokuu 00:53, October 29, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
- WHAAATEEEEVEEEER~ WHAATEEVER~ I love thee, fair princess I met only once. KujaRhapsodos 02:44, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Honestly, I like Squall better. --BlueHighwind 03:23, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- If my vote was decided by the pictures, then I would have chosen Nanaki. Instead I am voting for the character. Kuja FFIX 03:40, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- I like Squall; his commentary made the cast and story bearable. --ClixPsi 04:58, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Yrl 05:38, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Lions > dog-wolf-tiger thingy's LionLostInTime 07:08, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Razordash 08:24, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- love red but i def gotta go for squall. GlassAngel13 11:15, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Ah doooooi !!! The SirLaguna
- Tonberi
- Because he was a good main character, and Lion Heart is awesome.Bond em7 13:06, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Because KH squall/Leon was the best FF character in there(ok except Zack).Zack"Awesome"Fair 14:37, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- ChiefKakashi 16:14, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- ShirubaKurono 19:05, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- As much as I like Red XIII, Squall is my hero. TheBlueDragoon 21:28, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- SQUALL IS ZE BEST!!! Go talk to a wall, you wolf thing! SquallRocks 18:46, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Nothing against Nanaki, particularly , but this is not much of a contest -- Sorceror Nobody 16:21, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
- With Sephiroth out, screw FF7 :D YKProductions 01:00, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
- SquallTheBlade 19:12, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
- More interesting and useful in battle. Rosenarm 13:48, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
- How can I vote otherwise? SquallisbetterthanCloud 20:00, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
- The fact that the image for Squall is KH even more adds to the whole Anti-FFVII concept. --DTN 21:41, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
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Peanut Gallery
Just noting this, but the moderators should be looking to make sure all signatures are valid. I'm going around poking people to see about changing them and keeping the votes, but there are people not going by their registered names. Bluestarultor BSA 04:41, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
- *coughFaethincough* - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:11, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
- I was actually more concerned with a chronologically-disoriented member of Genus Panthera, or lack thereof. Although all the initials bumping around bother me, too, to be honest. Bluestarultor BSA 19:15, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
@Bluestar: Your rant made me laugh, so I'm going to respond. First off, for the cliche bit I was referring to the species only; they both fit into cliche characters, but almost every book, movie or game has a token talking animal in it somewhere, and that really annoys me.
And he is cliche: Father/father figure sacrifices himself for character, but character for some reason holds grudge against father, until he learns the truth, after which he suddenly developed a deep respect for father. It's been done a million times over, but then so has every other notable character plot.
And the last-of-a-kind, coupled with the watch-everyone-else-grow-old is just about as overdone. The most obvious (but by no means the only one) is the Doctor from Doctor Who.
To end: I like Red XIII, I just like Squall better. And the token talking animal thing annoys me. Likeacupcake 04:44, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- I'd really like to know what books, movies, and games are in your library, because he stands as the only character on four legs in the entire series and one of only a handful I've come across in games as a whole. I mean I'm not arguing that anthropomorphic animals don't happen; they've been a staple of stories since the written word.
- I'm not arguing that any of it was never done before, for that matter, but that's why there's a trope to the effect of "TV Tropes will ruin your life." Eveything's been done before in all permutations. In Red's case, it's just that so much of it happened to him that I couldn't help but feel for the guy. In fact, Bugenhagen's death had roughly triple the impact on me that Aerith's did simply because Red didn't have anyone else and was not equipped to handle it. Cloud still had Tifa, and barely even knew Aeris when she died.
- For that matter, Red's character had the greatest amount of foreshadowing out of anyone in the game. There were hints as to his underlying immaturity before the reveal and he clearly had issues with mortality set up long before he actually lost Bugenhagen.
- We just have different tastes. I personally think Red is a much more meaningful character compared to Squall, who is such an emotional brick it takes him most of the game to realize he's in love with Rinoa when it's supposed to be a love story! They're hugging straight in the logo, for crying out sideways! That's like promising a kid ice cream and putting the ice cream right there under a glass bowl and then making him eat a seven-course meal of nothing but broccoli before he can have any. Maybe he'll get to it eventually, but it'll be all melted by then and not really all that great and probably not all that much worth the effort.
- Mind you, I actually liked 8 better than 7, but Squall has to be one of the least interesting characters of the series. Bluestarultor BSA 05:53, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Pick up a title of the majority of series and you will find a talking animal, or a human-animal hybrid (I throw them in the same basket)
- I admit I didn't really pay much attention to Red XIII's plot, but I will say I did feel sorry by the end of it, and Aerith's death never really upset me, just annoyed me (all that grinding... gone -_- )
- Crying out sideways? That's a new one. And I like broccoli. Broccoli and cauliflower with a nice cheese sauce... dam; now I'm hungry. Anyway; I've seen Red XIII's plot and character more times then I care to count, Squall had no development, so on that plane, they are equals to me. So it came down to the most predominant facts; the talking animal bores me, so I put a score for the human, combs are a pathetic choice for a weapon (happens often in this series) and the Gunblade is at least awesome enough to make up for its strangeness, and the Lion Heart limit break was more powerful then Red XIII's.
- So in the end it is a matter of tastes, but I thought you at least deserved an explanation for my choices (as that rant was very obviously directed at me, and made me laugh when I read it), and my tastes led me to choose Squall over Red this time around Likeacupcake 07:18, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Hey, no hard feelings. I may have come off sharper than I intended, which is why I tend to abuse emotes. For reference, I consider animal characters on four legs distinct from animal characters on two, simply because animal characters on two are pretty well ubiquitous in any setting where racial or cultural issues are being discussed (I could do a whole paper on that). To keep the explanation short, anthropomorphic characters are an easy stand-in anytime a dev wants to explore things like racism because in our politically correct world, doing it with actual humans of different races would generate mass outcry. Animal characters on four legs are much, much rarer, which is why I always considered Red special in that regard, especially because they actually don't do the racism bit with him. He's treated mostly the same as all the human characters, which, given his appearance, is pretty forward-thinking on the cast's part. Even in best cases, four-legged animals tend to be treated as mascots, but he doesn't get shuffled under that, either. I have trouble calling a character "token" when it's handled maturely and would rather classify Red as "different" or "unique."
- So yeah, we just weigh things differently. I think we both see the same things in both characters. I just happen to think while Squall is a passable lead, Red is just much more interesting in that there's more under the surface. Squall has the occasional good line, and his stoicism and personal sense of honor are in themselves admirable, but the guy is pretty stunted when you manage to break down his walls, whereas Red actually has something more under there that they've explored through the entire Compilation and there's still enough left unresolved in his story and growth potential to warrant him getting his own game. Bluestarultor BSA 15:02, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
Wow, this is really close. I thought Squall would win but it looks like all the FF7 fans are gathering under one flag. I of course voted purely because I like Squall, XIII was alright too. YKProductions 03:01, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
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