So as much of a heel as I felt doing it, I just reverted a change to the SeeKHWiki template that changed it from the Wikia one to the new one. Why? Well, because an admin had already reverted the change before and given reasons in the talk page for it. Given that they're trying to move, despite disagreeing with their efforts both there and here, I'd like to open it up for discussion. The reason given for not supporting the new one is that we haven't affiliated with them, which I think is an issue that needs to be resolved one way or the other officially so we all know what to do. This really needs staff to join in the discussion. Regular users are of course welcome to join in, but as a policy question, regular users really aren't sufficient to decide it alone. | |||
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I'm from the KHWiki.net site and yeah, I'm also waiting for response from admin/staff. Actually the whole wiki is... Erry 09:53, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
I'm on both, and I can say that at least right now most pages are the same. However, if your gonna choose one, the second one's probably the better choice. The first one's more active with forums but with normal pages their trying to be more fan-friendly. | |||
One has ads; one doesn't. Should be pretty obvious what should be done. | |||
Oh, by the way, the first one is a lot more like this one so don't call it a place for forums and only forums. | |||
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The reason our affiliation ended is because that you never confirmed that you were on board with continuing our affiliation after we left Wikia. All of our affiliates were notified, all of which replied positively but FFWiki. I notified Faethin, Yuan, and #FFWiki in general trying to get out the word that this wiki needed to make the confirmation, but it went undone after weeks, so we had to end it to be fair to our other affiliates. Of course, we would be happy to reaffiliate if you would be interested. To answer your question about the differentiation between the two wikis, KHWiki.net is the new independent wiki. This is the old site moved to a new address. KHWiki.net still retains the goal of creating a Kingdom Hearts encyclopedia in the greatest breadth and depth as possible with quality in the presentation of our information. KHWikia, on the other hand, has transformed. Currently, that wiki is in the process of changing into a fan-oriented site, more focused on the world of the game series rather than presenting all of the information that a wiki does. They've dropped professionalism in hopes of becoming more like a fansite, focusing less on the mainspace and more on the userspace and user talkspace, from what I have observed. If you wish to continue being affiliated with the true KHWiki, please link back to KHWiki.net. We would very much appreciate it! | |||
"All of our affiliates were notified, all of which replied positively but FFWiki." And yet:
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I'm for the new Chronopedia, although I don't really think my opinion counts, does it? Also I'm not an admin :c | |||
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We're not forced into some brand loyalty with wikia when it comes to affiliating with other sites, and while my opinion is that we should remain on wikia, I think we should affiliate with the new Crono Wiki and new KH wiki. | |||
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Why can't we affilliate to both sites? | |||
Hello, I am administrator from the Kingdom Hearts wikia, now named "The Keyhole". As I said in Faethin's talk page, our community have been split for five months already, and we barely contacted any of you. So, to the point: Will you guys keep affiliated to us, or, instead, will be affiliated with khwiki.net? I would like to add, as well, to make our site more appealing, that unlike our concervationist departed community, we are going through great changes, and are adopting similar politics as this site, and we have a higher number of new members and visitors per day as well, without really losing the quality of our information. Unlike what it was said earlier, we are not a fansite, we are still a wiki, but as a wiki, we are trying cover all aspect of the franchise now, kinda like you guys do, instead of just what we see in the games. Also, about the "affiliating with both is our of the question" might I ask why? My wiki does not have a problem with the other one afilliating with you guys as well. I hope we can reach an agreement soon. | |||
I don't really get why we should drop the wiki's affiliation with the site we're already affiliated with because the wiki split, if the original one is still up and running and being maintained. Doesn't out-rule the possibility of affiliating with the new wiki as well, either. | |||
I'm one of the other administrators at The Keyhole, and legitimately raise no issue with an affiliation. Regardless of whether you pick our Wiki or both, I'd back the decision. We're substantially different in how we're now managing the Wiki compared to how KHWiki.net is being run, and as time goes on you'll begin to see more and more changes that differentiate us. To sum up that difference the best, I'd probably leave it to: a more strict source on the inner workings of the game and story (KHWiki), or a more broad source for all things Kingdom-Hearts-related (The Keyhole). (EDIT: Since DarkEnigma wanted me to be more clear as to exactly what I meant, I'm completely in favor of an affiliation between The Keyhole and your Wiki and will support the affiliation completely). Soxra 18:47, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
Our affiliations stem from a mutual agreement from both this wiki and the one we want to affiliate with. Because both of the Kingdom Hearts Wikis give permission, I see no reason not to affiliate with both unless the community here does not give consent to do so. Though, for our articles that mention Kingdom Hearts that link outwards, which wiki should we link to. KHWiki asks us to link to them and them alone here, and I'm assuming the new wiki and the old wiki have similar articles. However, I suppose on the articles we could say (paraphrased) "For more information, visit KHWiki.net. For an alternate take on the topic, visit the Keyhole." | |||
Well, im glad that the way you guys think. As for what was said in the other forum you brought up, ScatheMote, I can certainly say that we are not deterioraiting. In fact, we are growing more than the new wiki, which is only made from editors pre-move. I've seen no new member contribute there. Is sad to see how much they seem to hate us, to the point of wanting or wiki to die. But back on topic, we have no problem with that. Our articles are similar as of now, but slowly, we are making ourselves different, with more effort punt into a global overview of the subject, including, for example, subpages completely dedicated to the quotes said by important characters during cutscenes or battle, instead of just a few in the article. We also encourage a roleplay game for the community that is still in the Beta stage, and of course, works hard on the mainspace. You should not doubt that. We started covering things like Dead Fantasy, and we are adding articles on important persons fro the series. We are quite different. I still have no problem with you guys linking to both wikis like that. | |||
I think it generally "looks better" to link to the Wikia wiki because of the unified site layout for all users who don't opt to use the Monobook skin (minority of all people who use this wiki). | |||
I'm not against affiliating with both sites, since there doesn't seem to be a stipulation that we can only affiliate with one. As for external linking, which is the main crux of the issue, I'm undecided. Both sites have merit, but I think it'd be best to stick with internal Wikia linking for the moment, until the KHWiki is fully sorted out. | |||
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Affiliation with both and linking to the Wikia one for now seems to be a good idea. How many articles do we need to link to externally? We might simply change the box to say "For more information, see here and here" or something like that. | |||
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