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Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / / 09:51, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
Henry hit the nail right on the head. We should affiliate, and by extension, link to, the one that will offer more to our readers and has the harder working userbase. From a rough look, that's the independent one, but I may be wrong.

EDIT 04:22, May 14, 2011 (UTC): Um... is there gonna be any more discussion on this? I know we should wait and see, but admin input would be very much appreciated.

I'm from the KHWiki.net site and yeah, I'm also waiting for response from admin/staff. Actually the whole wiki is... Erry 09:53, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

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Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / / 22:34, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
Nobody said that it was only forums, just overpopulated with forum users.
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Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / / 10:11, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
Um, KH Fanon links to both Bluetash, you can see the Affiliates in a drop down menu near the top of the page (At least in Oasis).

Discussion revival attempt[]

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Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / / 01:16, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
Over this weekend, another of our affiliates, Chronopedia, has forked and joined SEIWA. It's here for the time being, but as far as I can tell, they're gonna change the domain name soon, and they're still getting some things fixed. Anyway, this now puts two of our affiliates into this position, and we really need to figure out whether we want to affiliate with the Wikia wikis or the independent wikis. I'm pretty sure "affiliate with both" is out of the question with at least KH.

Would some admins please get in here and comment on this?

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Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / / 10:18, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the input 8. As this is still going nowhere, I pinged a few of the admins. Sorry if I annoyed any of you. (I'd like for your opinion to count Crono, but somehow I think a Chronopedia admin would be biased.)
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I'm one of the other administrators at The Keyhole, and legitimately raise no issue with an affiliation. Regardless of whether you pick our Wiki or both, I'd back the decision. We're substantially different in how we're now managing the Wiki compared to how KHWiki.net is being run, and as time goes on you'll begin to see more and more changes that differentiate us. To sum up that difference the best, I'd probably leave it to: a more strict source on the inner workings of the game and story (KHWiki), or a more broad source for all things Kingdom-Hearts-related (The Keyhole). (EDIT: Since DarkEnigma wanted me to be more clear as to exactly what I meant, I'm completely in favor of an affiliation between The Keyhole and your Wiki and will support the affiliation completely). Soxra 18:47, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

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Some Color Mage / Talk Contribs / / 23:51, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
My main problem with affiliating to both is the external linking. I'm concerned of possible edit warring over whether to link to The Keyhole of KHWiki if we consider both acceptable. If you just want to stick links to both together, then I have no qualms with affiliating to both.
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TacticAngel TALK 05:16, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
I have been summoned, roused from my ancient slumber or some such. My opinion is... one, none or both makes very little difference to me. I don't think it greatly effects our traffic either way. I'm pretty much with Diablo on this, but with a little more apathy.

I know you probably expected me to have an opinion on this...

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As far as I can tell, the spell pages are slightly better on the KHWiki, but both wikis admit that their pages need work. Compare: The Keyhole KHWiki.

Honestly, I have no problem linking to both in our mainspace. Considering the divergence in goals and general attitudes of the wikis, both could potentially contribute different things, and adding both could give our readers an overall more complete knowledge, as one wiki will cover what the other won't. Seriously, give me five minutes and I could get the linking template to show links to both.

Now, what of Chronopedia, which is kinda the reason I revived the argument? A quick look at the RCs of the two (Wikia SEIWA) shows that the Wikia one has started to lower in activity quite a bit, and unlike the KH Wiki split, the two aren't going in different directions AFAIK. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:30, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

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For more information, see both our Kingdom Hearts affiliates: [[w:c:kingdomhearts:{{{1}}}|The Keyhole]] and The Kingdom Hearts Wiki

See? Already ready to go! 01:36, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps it is too early to tell of Chornowiki if they just forked. Is anyone adopting the Wikia version of what's happening with it, is it just left for the wolves?Keltainentoukokuu 01:49, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest not linking to both, and choosing a fixed one we link to in mainspace articles. As a viewer I do not want to be directed to two articles that tell me the same thing. The wiki needs to be more decisive. 79.69.195.57 05:59, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
The two Chrono wikis should decide what directions they want to go in before we do anything. They wanted to fork; now they must choose their direction. We can't do their work for them. Kappa the Imp 16:47, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
For now I recommend linking to the Chrono wikia though, because you can't register on the new Chrono wiki. Kappa the Imp 17:01, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

So, are we linking to both? (reviving discussion) --Bettafishrule2579 23:57, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

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Who's DTN, and why is he off-putting? Why can't we affiliate with both wikis? --Bettafishrule2579 22:09, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

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Ohhh. Yeah, I heard about him yesterday after asking here, and he seems like kind of a jerk, particularly at his talk page there (at the bottom of it, particularly), and even at the KH Wiki, there's drama involving him. Oh, alright. Is this wiki already affiliated with both KH wikis? --Bettafishrule2579 15:21, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm As If, a frequent editor on KHWiki.net, and the uploader of the transparent render of Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII-2. Before I state my opinion, I would like to apologize if your conversations with any of our users displeased you or hurt your view of KHWiki.net in any way. I will do my best to be a good ambassador for the off-Wikia wiki, and I hope that your relations with us improve.
I do not see any issue with affiliating with both wikis. Each one provides different information, images, and atmosphere, and forming partnerships with both would be advantageous for this wiki. When it comes to decide which wiki you link to in your mainspace, I hope you keep in mind the pros and cons of each.
The Wikia wiki has an excellent community, with amicable users always ready to lend you a helping hand. Users frequently converse and talk about current Kingdom Hearts-related events and create excellent images for each other. Its articles often encompass not only that which concretely occur in the games, but what is implied or though to have happened. This can also be considered a negative: if you are looking to provide the most accurate information, it may not be what you're looking for, as much of its content is based on speculation. Many of its users have also uploaded ripped character models of excellent quality. It, however, has less of an emphasis on working on its mainspace- an issue which many staff members are attempting to correct as I write this. And the community, though filled with excellent editors, also has a select fewer users who spend their time in what is often judged as "the wrong way".
The offsite wiki has a grand collection of officially-released media, users that are knowledgable in how to create excellent pages, and a mainspace that much effort is placed into making great- possibly more so than at Wikia. Their are also multiple projects at work, including a project to update its skin and a writing of a Walkthrough-space. However, it does not have as much of an emphasis on engaging its community- users rarely talk on-wiki about anything besides the wiki (excluding the IRC), there is absolutely no fanart allowed that isn't linked from an outside site, and there is little room for theory or fan-based content in its articles. Its members, to my great displeasure, have also come across as "jerks", which might dishearten users who intend to join it- though I can assure you the editors are very friendly as long as you do your fair share of work.
This, by no means, should be taken as a complete list of the positive and negative aspects of each wiki; there are many that I didn't mention. Still, I hope you take all of them into account when making your decision. Thank you for your time. --As if! 02:14, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your intervention. I truly believe that the selection of one of the wikis as an affiliate should base itself on the entirity of its content, including fandom material, and not on personal affairs between the three Wikis. I also think it's far too early to make such a choice and we should give more time for the two wikis to grow independently so that their differeces are more detectable. - Henryacores^ 17:00, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
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Affiliation is why having website-owners makes things easier. You simply contact the person in charge of the website for an affiliation, they accept, and affiliations are resolved.

With wikis we make sure that no one matters as much as anyone else and we're all equal in everything, which makes affiliating much more difficult because there's no one to contact... and even if you decide that bcrats are the way to go, in a real wiki they can't make a decision without consulting the user-base. Of course, pro-active bcrats who want resolves solve this. I don't think we have one of those though.

Of course, other than the problem that is external linking not being preferable, it is obvious we would want to affiliate with the latter. And at that, un-affiliate with the Wikia wiki which does not have similar goals to us anymore and is not a place we would desire to send traffic to. 79.69.212.160 18:50, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm FinalRest, one of the admins at the Keyhole. I noticed a request on our site for a Keyhole member to weigh in on this issue, so here I am! =) Our recent merger with .net basically means that we are one site that works at two different locations. The .net address handles all the encyclopaedic information, while the Keyhole delves deeper into the fan side of the series (Cosplay, Dead Fantasy etc). My opinion is that if you were to request affiliation with .net and receive it, keeping an affiliation with the Keyhole would mean that you would be affiliated with our community in its entirety. However, if you only wish to affiliate with sites that operate in a similar fashion and with similar objectives to yours, then .net is definitely the site you should be working with. In that case, we can terminate our affiliation with this site, although we'll be sad to have that happen. We'll respect your decision whatever it is.

TL;DR: Affiliation with .net is highly recommended. From there, whether you want to remain affiliated with the Keyhole or not is up to you. Thank you! FinalRest 00:00, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

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lolomgwtfVigilante8. 79.69.207.82 00:18, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

^Correct. Cannot resist the Tourque - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 00:41, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

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If you decide to affiliate only with .net, can someone let me know via my Keyhole talk page so I can remove the affiliation with our site? Please and thank you! FinalRest 10:53, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

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