So as much of a heel as I felt doing it, I just reverted a change to the SeeKHWiki template that changed it from the Wikia one to the new one. Why? Well, because an admin had already reverted the change before and given reasons in the talk page for it. Given that they're trying to move, despite disagreeing with their efforts both there and here, I'd like to open it up for discussion. The reason given for not supporting the new one is that we haven't affiliated with them, which I think is an issue that needs to be resolved one way or the other officially so we all know what to do. This really needs staff to join in the discussion. Regular users are of course welcome to join in, but as a policy question, regular users really aren't sufficient to decide it alone. | |||
Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - Henryacores^ 23:13, May 2, 2011 (UTC) | |||
As far as I've heard, the community has split into a group of dedicated editors and a group of forum users, to display it roughly. To be direct, I think we should side with the harder-working community of the two. I'd give it some time before changing affiliation, so as to in a near future evaluate and compare both wikis' growth. I know this is a two-sided decision, taken by our community and the suposely chosen wiki simultaneously, but we should side with a good, informative site, and not a forum. | |||
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I'm from the KHWiki.net site and yeah, I'm also waiting for response from admin/staff. Actually the whole wiki is... Erry 09:53, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
I'm on both, and I can say that at least right now most pages are the same. However, if your gonna choose one, the second one's probably the better choice. The first one's more active with forums but with normal pages their trying to be more fan-friendly. | |||
One has ads; one doesn't. Should be pretty obvious what should be done. | |||
Oh, by the way, the first one is a lot more like this one so don't call it a place for forums and only forums. | |||
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DoorToNothing - You do not yet know... what lies beyond the door. TALK - Remember, you are the one who will open the door to the light. | |||
The reason our affiliation ended is because that you never confirmed that you were on board with continuing our affiliation after we left Wikia. All of our affiliates were notified, all of which replied positively but FFWiki. I notified Faethin, Yuan, and #FFWiki in general trying to get out the word that this wiki needed to make the confirmation, but it went undone after weeks, so we had to end it to be fair to our other affiliates. Of course, we would be happy to reaffiliate if you would be interested. To answer your question about the differentiation between the two wikis, KHWiki.net is the new independent wiki. This is the old site moved to a new address. KHWiki.net still retains the goal of creating a Kingdom Hearts encyclopedia in the greatest breadth and depth as possible with quality in the presentation of our information. KHWikia, on the other hand, has transformed. Currently, that wiki is in the process of changing into a fan-oriented site, more focused on the world of the game series rather than presenting all of the information that a wiki does. They've dropped professionalism in hopes of becoming more like a fansite, focusing less on the mainspace and more on the userspace and user talkspace, from what I have observed. If you wish to continue being affiliated with the true KHWiki, please link back to KHWiki.net. We would very much appreciate it! | |||
"All of our affiliates were notified, all of which replied positively but FFWiki." And yet:
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SilverCrono — 02:41, August 7, 2011 (UTC) "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid." | |||
I'm for the new Chronopedia, although I don't really think my opinion counts, does it? Also I'm not an admin :c | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 03:38, August 7, 2011 (UTC) | |||
We're not forced into some brand loyalty with wikia when it comes to affiliating with other sites, and while my opinion is that we should remain on wikia, I think we should affiliate with the new Crono Wiki and new KH wiki. | |||
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Why can't we affilliate to both sites? | |||
Hello, I am administrator from the Kingdom Hearts wikia, now named "The Keyhole". As I said in Faethin's talk page, our community have been split for five months already, and we barely contacted any of you. So, to the point: Will you guys keep affiliated to us, or, instead, will be affiliated with khwiki.net? I would like to add, as well, to make our site more appealing, that unlike our concervationist departed community, we are going through great changes, and are adopting similar politics as this site, and we have a higher number of new members and visitors per day as well, without really losing the quality of our information. Unlike what it was said earlier, we are not a fansite, we are still a wiki, but as a wiki, we are trying cover all aspect of the franchise now, kinda like you guys do, instead of just what we see in the games. Also, about the "affiliating with both is our of the question" might I ask why? My wiki does not have a problem with the other one afilliating with you guys as well. I hope we can reach an agreement soon. | |||
I don't really get why we should drop the wiki's affiliation with the site we're already affiliated with because the wiki split, if the original one is still up and running and being maintained. Doesn't out-rule the possibility of affiliating with the new wiki as well, either. | |||
I'm one of the other administrators at The Keyhole, and legitimately raise no issue with an affiliation. Regardless of whether you pick our Wiki or both, I'd back the decision. We're substantially different in how we're now managing the Wiki compared to how KHWiki.net is being run, and as time goes on you'll begin to see more and more changes that differentiate us. To sum up that difference the best, I'd probably leave it to: a more strict source on the inner workings of the game and story (KHWiki), or a more broad source for all things Kingdom-Hearts-related (The Keyhole). (EDIT: Since DarkEnigma wanted me to be more clear as to exactly what I meant, I'm completely in favor of an affiliation between The Keyhole and your Wiki and will support the affiliation completely). Soxra 18:47, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
Our affiliations stem from a mutual agreement from both this wiki and the one we want to affiliate with. Because both of the Kingdom Hearts Wikis give permission, I see no reason not to affiliate with both unless the community here does not give consent to do so. Though, for our articles that mention Kingdom Hearts that link outwards, which wiki should we link to. KHWiki asks us to link to them and them alone here, and I'm assuming the new wiki and the old wiki have similar articles. However, I suppose on the articles we could say (paraphrased) "For more information, visit KHWiki.net. For an alternate take on the topic, visit the Keyhole." | |||
Well, im glad that the way you guys think. As for what was said in the other forum you brought up, ScatheMote, I can certainly say that we are not deterioraiting. In fact, we are growing more than the new wiki, which is only made from editors pre-move. I've seen no new member contribute there. Is sad to see how much they seem to hate us, to the point of wanting or wiki to die. But back on topic, we have no problem with that. Our articles are similar as of now, but slowly, we are making ourselves different, with more effort punt into a global overview of the subject, including, for example, subpages completely dedicated to the quotes said by important characters during cutscenes or battle, instead of just a few in the article. We also encourage a roleplay game for the community that is still in the Beta stage, and of course, works hard on the mainspace. You should not doubt that. We started covering things like Dead Fantasy, and we are adding articles on important persons fro the series. We are quite different. I still have no problem with you guys linking to both wikis like that. | |||
I think it generally "looks better" to link to the Wikia wiki because of the unified site layout for all users who don't opt to use the Monobook skin (minority of all people who use this wiki). | |||
I'm not against affiliating with both sites, since there doesn't seem to be a stipulation that we can only affiliate with one. As for external linking, which is the main crux of the issue, I'm undecided. Both sites have merit, but I think it'd be best to stick with internal Wikia linking for the moment, until the KHWiki is fully sorted out. | |||
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Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 23:59, August 10, 2011 (UTC) | |||
I think we should keep our internal linking in Wikia and reconsider it in the future, when the two Wikias become easily distinguishable. | |||
Affiliation with both and linking to the Wikia one for now seems to be a good idea. How many articles do we need to link to externally? We might simply change the box to say "For more information, see here and here" or something like that. | |||
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The offwikia wiki has gotten fully settled, and the wikia wiki has decidedly gone into a free-form, fandom-focus mode, and has plans to minimize gamecruft. If you're using "see" links for encyclopedic content, and not just affiliation for the sake of affiliation, it needs to point at the offsite wiki. The "issue" is over what see-also links should point to, right? The purpose of see-alsos is to give the reader a way to learn more about the topic. The offwikia wiki has more information, and is generally more comprehensively and professionally written. Quality-wise, there's no comparison here. If you'd rather use see-alsos just to have see-alsos, regardless of what provides the reader with more information, and you're worried about Wikia oppressing you for linking to an offwikia wiki, then you'd go with the wikia site. I don't think that's the better choice, though. For instance, many FF13 and Dissidia characters appear in Kingdom Hearts Re:coded, as part of the Avatar Menu. Here's the wikia's coverage: [1]. Here's the KHwiki's cover: [2]. I think the choice is obvious here. EDIT: I just realized: you guys might be talking about the sidebar links which create links within the interlingual list. So like, "fr:Kingdom Hearts", that kind of thing. The simple solution for that is just to do both, one to "Kingdom Hearts Wiki", and one to "The Keyhole". I'm sure we've got editors who would be willing to populate the links across the affected pages. As exemplified with the Avatar Menu bit, though, any in-line links ("Vanille also appears in "kingdomhearts:Kingdom Hearts Re:coded | |||
The wiki mainly links to the Final Fantasy characters who are also in Kingdom Hearts, like Leon and Aerith, and the games, as the FFWiki doesn't have individual articles for KH and KHII etc. I didn't notice really any difference in the articles where the FFWiki actually links to between the two KHWikis.(I skimmed only though) | |||
Kel: Look at Avatar Menu. There's a huge amount of cameos for Dissidia and FF13, which aren't even mentioned on the wikia. Most strikingly, we have the coverage for the KH cameos in Dissidia 012 (if the wikia has since copied those, that's as maybe, but we had them first). | |||
Sorry I looked through it and I still can't see them*blind*. The avatar pictures? They are on this wiki already aren't they without out-links? Like here, this one? Warrior (Final Fantasy)#Kingdom Hearts Mobile | |||
Hmm. That's very odd, that image isn't actually in the game--it looks like somebody combined the costume with other parts. The Avatar Parts from FF are covered in the tabbed table at the top. That's just one of the types of cameo, just in the Avatar Menu -- there are also the random friends, like the one based on Lightning. We also have, well, more information on the topic, so if you were doing an outbound link for a reader to find more information, we would have it. The wikia does not. On a side note, although the ffwiki might have some of the topical info, that's slightly irrelevant to the issue of whether the wikia or the wiki would be a better target for outbound links. | |||
I won't deny that khwiki.net covers more in that aspect, but for coverage of Characters and the such, like Xemnas ( khwiki.net version and Keyhole version), we have a more compressive database, that covers not only what we outright see in game, but also explore further in, with our theory namespace, and quotes subpages to give more depht to the personality section. I wont deny our fan approach, since you can look at the Unnamed heartless (khwiki.net) that we renamed with the fan-name of "Hunter of the dark"(The keyhole). You can also see that one as a mean to differentiate us, since we also split boss-only articles into a "character" article that cover more in depht the design and story section, and a "boss" article, that only covers the strategy.
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Linking to both sites on the main page isn't a problem, the admins can change that around, that problem's been solved. Though, I think we should wait it out until both wikis have settled in, like KHWiki becomes their "encyclopedia", and the Keyhole reaches its desired point. | |||
First of all, I would like to congratulate both Wikis for working their way into creating a unique identity for themselves appearance-wise, and for continuing to maintain the wikis in the spirit of disseminating information. As for affiliation, both can be affiliates as long as both carry and maintain the linkage to this site and hold this Wiki's repute affirmatively. If these are not observed, the FFWiki has all the right to terminate their affiliation. Not to sound haughty (forgive me if I do) the FFWiki is the one with the higher Alexa traffic rank and calls the shots about terminating affiliations, not the other way round. As on who should the FFWiki link to in terms of content, while I support both wikis, I lean heavier towards the Wikia one for the time being (in other words, I'm putting this debate for another day). | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 21:47, August 12, 2011 (UTC) | |||
I didn't consider affiliating with both wikis; if that simply amount to linking to both on the front page, then I support it. However, I think we should decide this external linking business now, while the topic is at hand. Bluer says both wikis have already reached a unique level of displaying information, so we should be able to discern the quality of each wiki and decide which to link to externally in Kingdom Hearts sections of our mainspace pages. I don't view this as some sort of contest, just the FFWiki evaluating which wiki's pages are more suitable to elaborate from our scope's point of view ^^; | |||
Haa if you search "khwiki" with Google this topic is the second hit...... Here are the kind of articles FFWiki links to with "see more here", FF character and KH game articles. I don't remember seeing linking to out-of-universe or gameplay articles on this wiki. Leon KH Wikia Leon KHWiki.net Right now the front page doesn't link to any Kingdom Hearts wiki with a banner (not on the Oasis skin anyway), just under "see more gaming wikis at Wikia" that links to Kingdom Hearts and Dragon Quest and World of Warcraft and stuff. EDIT: A-ha, now I see there are also some links to KH spell articles here. I didn't look, but I assume KHWiki.net would probably be better for those, then? | |||
As far as I can tell, the spell pages are slightly better on the KHWiki, but both wikis admit that their pages need work. Compare: The Keyhole KHWiki.
Honestly, I have no problem linking to both in our mainspace. Considering the divergence in goals and general attitudes of the wikis, both could potentially contribute different things, and adding both could give our readers an overall more complete knowledge, as one wiki will cover what the other won't. Seriously, give me five minutes and I could get the linking template to show links to both.
Now, what of Chronopedia, which is kinda the reason I revived the argument? A quick look at the RCs of the two (Wikia SEIWA) shows that the Wikia one has started to lower in activity quite a bit, and unlike the KH Wiki split, the two aren't going in different directions AFAIK. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 01:30, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
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For more information, see both our Kingdom Hearts affiliates: [[w:c:kingdomhearts:{{{1}}}|The Keyhole]] and The Kingdom Hearts Wiki
See? Already ready to go! 01:36, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Perhaps it is too early to tell of Chornowiki if they just forked. Is anyone adopting the Wikia version of what's happening with it, is it just left for the wolves?Keltainentoukokuu 01:49, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
- I would suggest not linking to both, and choosing a fixed one we link to in mainspace articles. As a viewer I do not want to be directed to two articles that tell me the same thing. The wiki needs to be more decisive. 79.69.195.57 05:59, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
- The two Chrono wikis should decide what directions they want to go in before we do anything. They wanted to fork; now they must choose their direction. We can't do their work for them. Kappa the Imp 16:47, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
- For now I recommend linking to the Chrono wikia though, because you can't register on the new Chrono wiki. Kappa the Imp 17:01, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
So, are we linking to both? (reviving discussion) --Bettafishrule2579 23:57, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
In my opinion, the Wikia KH Wiki is the better choice at the moment to link to in articles. From all I've been | |||
I agree with Bluesy. KHWiki.net seems to have taken upon (from what I can discern) a rather stifling atmosphere. Despite the whole differences with focuses and all that jazz, when I looked up random articles on both sites they seemed to be pretty similar in my opinion. Also, I don't know how much an anon really wants to go to another site; staying on Wikia tends to be convenient. And hey, maybe they like Oasis and would rather view the page in that; if they don't like Oasis, they're likely a user anyway and will view the Wikia wiki in monobook. This is not to say we shouldn't affiliate with both. We should, but we should link to the Wikia one. And regarding the Chrono Wiki: let's link to both for now; if the Wikia one stays dead, we can remove the affiliation. And if it starts back up again, it's easy enough to add them back on. | |||
Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 12:22, October 8, 2011 (UTC) | |||
While I clearly agree with Bluestarultor, I believe that we should give far more importance to the difference of the content in both wikis rather than difference of the approaches each wiki has taken with the affiliation. Of course, it makes absolutely no sense to have a connection with a website simply because they want to, but we shouldn't jeopardize the affiliation issue just because we don't like how we've being pressured into it. | |||
The truth of the matter is both, for the most part, have the same information, but The Keyhole has it in a format that's slightly closer to our own and both admit they cover things that KHWiki.net simply doesn't. In most cases the differences between the same article boil down the KHWiki.net having more images, while The Keyhole often has slightly more text. Really, my ideal would have been a combination of the two in The Keyhole's structure, but in absence of that, I think The Keyhole simply has more to offer due to their non-encyclopedic areas which KHWiki.net has made it abundantly clear they are and intend to keep missing. KHWiki.net's hard-lining is less a factor and more an indication of the spirit of the place. I think The Keyhole simply looks like the truer "extension" of our own community because of their less restrictive attitude.
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Who's DTN, and why is he off-putting? Why can't we affiliate with both wikis? --Bettafishrule2579 22:09, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
DTN is short for DoorToNothing, who used to be a minor presence here, but is primarily one of the leaders of KHWiki.net. Among the things he's done, there was this conversation on the IRC, not one, but two forum threads where he pushed for us to fork and/or join SEIWA, constant badgering on the IRC whenever Wikia made a change for us to fork (the link showing one instance), and, on a personal level, he tried crashing my IRC bot, SacredMinotaur, right out the gate because he didn't like the idea of having one by making it spew mountains of text to the point that all conversation was flooded out and I was forced to take the bot down and change its functionality. In short, I have my reasons for feeling put off by him. As for affiliating, as I said, we can affiliate with both wikis, but that doesn't mean we have to link to both of them in our articles. One is plenty and I feel that The Keyhole is simply a much more similar wiki to our own with good information and would be our best choice for linking to on an article basis. | |||
- Ohhh. Yeah, I heard about him yesterday after asking here, and he seems like kind of a jerk, particularly at his talk page there (at the bottom of it, particularly), and even at the KH Wiki, there's drama involving him. Oh, alright. Is this wiki already affiliated with both KH wikis? --Bettafishrule2579 15:21, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
Currently neither appears to be on our front page, but I think we all agree both could be there. We'll just need to get in contact with the respective leaders and have them reciprocate before we put banners up. | |||
As far as the Kingdom Hearts Wikia is concerned, we completely reciprocate! The link to this wiki has always been in our affilaites page, and starting the next theme (after halloween and Xmas is over, we will give our wiki a new look to accomodate to progress) We will add a section to link to our affiliates in the main page as well. | |||
- Hello, I'm As If, a frequent editor on KHWiki.net, and the uploader of the transparent render of Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII-2. Before I state my opinion, I would like to apologize if your conversations with any of our users displeased you or hurt your view of KHWiki.net in any way. I will do my best to be a good ambassador for the off-Wikia wiki, and I hope that your relations with us improve.
- I do not see any issue with affiliating with both wikis. Each one provides different information, images, and atmosphere, and forming partnerships with both would be advantageous for this wiki. When it comes to decide which wiki you link to in your mainspace, I hope you keep in mind the pros and cons of each.
- The Wikia wiki has an excellent community, with amicable users always ready to lend you a helping hand. Users frequently converse and talk about current Kingdom Hearts-related events and create excellent images for each other. Its articles often encompass not only that which concretely occur in the games, but what is implied or though to have happened. This can also be considered a negative: if you are looking to provide the most accurate information, it may not be what you're looking for, as much of its content is based on speculation. Many of its users have also uploaded ripped character models of excellent quality. It, however, has less of an emphasis on working on its mainspace- an issue which many staff members are attempting to correct as I write this. And the community, though filled with excellent editors, also has a select fewer users who spend their time in what is often judged as "the wrong way".
- The offsite wiki has a grand collection of officially-released media, users that are knowledgable in how to create excellent pages, and a mainspace that much effort is placed into making great- possibly more so than at Wikia. Their are also multiple projects at work, including a project to update its skin and a writing of a Walkthrough-space. However, it does not have as much of an emphasis on engaging its community- users rarely talk on-wiki about anything besides the wiki (excluding the IRC), there is absolutely no fanart allowed that isn't linked from an outside site, and there is little room for theory or fan-based content in its articles. Its members, to my great displeasure, have also come across as "jerks", which might dishearten users who intend to join it- though I can assure you the editors are very friendly as long as you do your fair share of work.
- This, by no means, should be taken as a complete list of the positive and negative aspects of each wiki; there are many that I didn't mention. Still, I hope you take all of them into account when making your decision. Thank you for your time. --As if! 02:14, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your intervention. I truly believe that the selection of one of the wikis as an affiliate should base itself on the entirity of its content, including fandom material, and not on personal affairs between the three Wikis. I also think it's far too early to make such a choice and we should give more time for the two wikis to grow independently so that their differeces are more detectable. - Henryacores^ 17:00, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
@As If: As Henry said, thank you for your input. Currently, as is stated above, the stance is that there's nothing stopping us from affiliating with both wikis on the front page. The real question is whose articles are directly linked to on our pages, which is a bit trickier because of where the content is right now. As of last check on my part, I see very little difference in the overall information provided by each individual wiki, but being honest, the format of The Keyhole is closer to our own at the moment and the heads of KHWiki.net have expressed that their site has a different tone and focus. I don't consider myself petty and don't hold DTN's behavior against your whole site. That's between me and DTN. My concerns were over the breadth of the content provided by each site versus the depth, and the overall feel of the site in relation to our own. In that regard, barring expansion of scope at KHWiki.net, I simply feel The Keyhole is less jarring to link to, but that's my opinion and that's why we're having a discussion. ;) When it comes to getting you guys on the front page, I'd suggest asking your staff to talk with our staff to establish mutual support between us as The Keyhole has already expressed they have done on their end. I, in turn, am going to go badger the staff over here to get a banner up for them so we can maintain good faith, and will do the same when we get word from your half of the fork. ;) | |||
That would be certainly great, Blue, since the Keyhole new layout has been implemented prematurely, you can now clearly see our affiliates if you scroll down in the main page here. I would like to ask to any admin to enforce our link here as well, to finally complete our affiliation. | |||
Bump due to recent events[]
 Catuse says at 18:44, September 1, 2012 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton." | |||
For better or worse, KHWiki has reached a compromise with Wikia and the Keyhole... I think? Well, either way, I've only seen the result, which is that the Keyhole has been turned into a fansite by its own admission, and a bunch of its pages are just lists of links to KHWiki, like these. Ordinarily this wouldn't be a problem, and we could just edit this template so that it links to KHWiki, right? But as it turns out, we are affiliated with the Keyhole but not KHWiki. In other words, it'd be for the best to settle this out with the help of people from the Keyhole and KHWiki so we can reach an agreement. | |||
Affiliation is why having website-owners makes things easier. You simply contact the person in charge of the website for an affiliation, they accept, and affiliations are resolved.
With wikis we make sure that no one matters as much as anyone else and we're all equal in everything, which makes affiliating much more difficult because there's no one to contact... and even if you decide that bcrats are the way to go, in a real wiki they can't make a decision without consulting the user-base. Of course, pro-active bcrats who want resolves solve this. I don't think we have one of those though.
Of course, other than the problem that is external linking not being preferable, it is obvious we would want to affiliate with the latter. And at that, un-affiliate with the Wikia wiki which does not have similar goals to us anymore and is not a place we would desire to send traffic to. 79.69.212.160 18:50, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
BlueHighwind Q? 18:56, September 1, 2012 (UTC) TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ: | |||
Cut all affiliations with the Keyhole, that site is nothing but annoying encumbrance Google sends you to when looking for real Kingdom Hearts info. Then align ourselves with the real KH Wiki. | |||
Hi, I'm FinalRest, one of the admins at the Keyhole. I noticed a request on our site for a Keyhole member to weigh in on this issue, so here I am! =) Our recent merger with .net basically means that we are one site that works at two different locations. The .net address handles all the encyclopaedic information, while the Keyhole delves deeper into the fan side of the series (Cosplay, Dead Fantasy etc). My opinion is that if you were to request affiliation with .net and receive it, keeping an affiliation with the Keyhole would mean that you would be affiliated with our community in its entirety. However, if you only wish to affiliate with sites that operate in a similar fashion and with similar objectives to yours, then .net is definitely the site you should be working with. In that case, we can terminate our affiliation with this site, although we'll be sad to have that happen. We'll respect your decision whatever it is.
TL;DR: Affiliation with .net is highly recommended. From there, whether you want to remain affiliated with the Keyhole or not is up to you. Thank you! FinalRest 00:00, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
TidusTehSacrificer357 - "Yo' luck's 'bout to change!" TALK - 00:10, September 2, 2012 (UTC) - "Place your bet!" | |||
I agree one-hundred percent with BlueHighwind. I don't like the new fansite. We should affiliate with another encyclopaedia, it makes things much easier. | |||
lolomgwtfVigilante8. 79.69.207.82 00:18, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
^Correct. Cannot resist the Tourque - 
Tidus357 00:41, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
Also agree with BH, we are a factual information-based wiki, it is in our interests to affiliate with like-oriented wikis
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If you decide to affiliate only with .net, can someone let me know via my Keyhole talk page so I can remove the affiliation with our site? Please and thank you! FinalRest 10:53, September 7, 2012 (UTC)