See title. It's been close to three hours as of this post, and I see nothing on Shinra News on the front page about any of the new material shown at State of Play. What's going on? Why the delay? Do staff not take this site seriously anymore? I'm sorry if I seem upset, but I would really like to understand what's going on QHRvRICdalurIA (talk) 01:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- It's mid-week, people work, have full-time jobs, have other priorities, etc. It's not that serious. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 01:59, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- As is mentioned at the top of the Shinra News page (and Shinra News is not on the main page, btw), it has been discontinued for about that long in favor of the Twitter feed where all news is reshared.-- Technobliterator TC 03:01, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
That isn't an excuse. This is the FINAL FANTASY WIKI. This isn't Twitter. If people want to know about Final Fantasy, they come here, not to Twitter, Facebook, or any other social media. Whether it's called Shinra News or just "news on the front page", it doesn't matter. The quality of management on this site is in serious decline. Please don't just interpret this as a rant or an attempt to insult. I used to love this website and the care that the administration put into it, and it saddens me to see that most of the love appears to be gone. I hope things turn around. QHRvRICdalurIA (talk) 17:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- If your measure of "serious decline" is how quickly the news on the main page is updated (it was updated at least a few hours later, btw), then I suppose all the major page rewrites, quality improvements, redone skins, back-end performance updates, etc. have just gone unnoticed, which is quite unfortunate.
- p.s. Your best bet is joining discord or getting involved if you want things to change in specific areas. Until then, I'll continue to focus my attention on writing the articles of the site.-- Technobliterator TC 20:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- To add to this point, when Shinra News was decommissioned, it became necessary to set limits on what we could cover as well as how we addressed information to make it less of a chore for folks that aren't news-y to begin with. Which reminds me, there's a bit of consolidation I need to do there. Swordzmanp236 (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- I guess to add on to what Techno has stated. It is important for you to remember that many of the users who used to update this site religiously with stuff like the news and dead community stuff like DNC, have either moved on from the site, have their own personal interests in other places on the wiki to work on, or have their own personal adult lives to focus on with careers, families, and universities.
- In addition, the wiki's focus has shifted as time as progressed, stuff like Shinra News is kind of miniscule when it was often just relaying stuff you can easily find on Siliconera, Nova Crystallis, Gematsu, Dual Shockers, YouTube, official Twitters, etc. We also stopped supporting something like that due to previous users that took over the project often being turning the news into an overdramatic opinionate blog that spammed stuff not even related to the series as a whole.
- The wiki is first and foremost just an encyclopedic knowledge hub, not a news portal for all Final Fantasy news. Sure, it's nice when we can help the community a little bit sometimes with updating it the newest info, but it isn't in most of our general interest to try and keep up with it in the grand scheme of things. If you think that the news updates should be handled better, and you feel you have the free time, you can always try to aid in reporting stuff. Just remember to keep in mind proper formatting, grammar, etiquette, keeping the updates simple, etc.
- There appears to have been a misunderstanding as to why the twitter account is being brought up.
- Time of the reveal: Approximately 25 minutes past the hour.
- Time it showed up on the twitter account which is automatically copied onto the front page: Approximately 35 minutes past the hour.
- You're complaining about things taking hours when I literally made it accessible on the front page in about 10 minutes. Would I like to have updated the news section instead? Sure, but if you were relying on me to do that, I next had access to something I could do proper editing work with about 10 hours later.
- Activity's always been slower mid week, and we can't do much about the fact that most of us are now in our mid-to-late-20s and have to work for a living instead of spending all our time here. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 21:13, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
I think I have a better understanding of things then. To reply to Technobliterator, my measure of decline isn't just how long it takes for news to get on the front page, it's a lot of other things people have mentioned. The DNC is dead and gone. It's hard to even access other forum sections like Blackjack or Dollet. Like we mentioned, Shinra News isn't even its own thing anymore. There's no personality at all to it, when at least beforehand, the headlines were catchy, like something out of a real newspaper and you could click to get more details.
Like right now, how it mentions the upcoming FFVII content. You used to be able to click it, and it would go into more detail. Right now, all it says is there's the PS5 upgrade, and "mobile content." What mobile content? In the past, if I wanted to know, I could click and there'd be a short paragraph talking about things like Ever Crisis and First Soldier, but now, there isn't even that.
I know there are different websites out there, but some of those, I've never even heard of. If I hear something about a new FF game or anything like that, this is where I come to get that info. Because this place IS an encyclopedia for all things FF. I'm not gonna expect people to put things up within seconds of it being announced, but I just miss the way things used to be.
If the reason is that you don't have as much time as you used to, I understand that, and I apologize. Perhaps it's time for you to seek suitable new staff who do have more time and passion so this website can reclaim the glory it used to have. But I don't know. All I'm saying is it's sad to me that this website used to have a lot more to it. It really felt like a great place for Final Fantasy fans across the world to gather, and it was MORE than just "Wikipedia but FF". I think it still can be, if you just let it. QHRvRICdalurIA (talk) 17:09, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- All the things you mentioned (DNC, Shinra News, Blackjack) are basically superfluous and not core to the site, so my short answer is they were abandoned because we don't need them anymore. But let's address each of them individually:
- The DNC was fun and all, but it was getting pretty repetitive just trying to think up new fights between the same characters over and over again, so it lost its spark among those who ran it. MediaWiki software is also a pretty archaic way to vote on that too. With renewed interest, it could probably be replicated in a Discussions feed or something.
- Blackjack or Dollet are replaced by Discussions, because MediaWiki software is a pretty archaic way to post comments in a forum, and unwelcoming to newcomers. Admittedly, Discussions is not really moderated, because again, the site's administrators would rather focus on the actual article content (which takes priority) over just a forum. There are plenty of forums out there (see r/FinalFantasy) to discuss or get help with the games, so we don't need to be yet another one except running on a software not suited for it.
- Shinra News was explained above, but the problem was it got to a point where it was either overly editorialized or just a bland repeat of what sites like Siliconera do but better. So we scrapped it in favor of the Twitter feed and our own news section that effectively do the same thing.
- In short: it's both because MediaWiki software isn't well-suited to support things other than the articles, and the articles take priority anyway. You'll find we have made several improvements to the core of the site, and there are people putting their time and passion in what is our core strength, and not areas that are nice to have but ultimately just superfluous and done better elsewhere. Your best bet if you actually want things to change is to get involved yourself, because just showing up to a forum to complain that we suck and are lazy isn't really good to achieve a whole lot.-- Technobliterator TC 18:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, it probably would be a good use of time to formalize the process of absorbing the old fora into Discussions or Discord or something (most wiki politics already happens on Discord anyways), archiving those fora in the process. There's no real reason to keep them around, they've been dead since before 2011 and every few months cause the staff a headache as someone digs up an old post with lots of slurs or something and we have to confirm, no, we don't endorse the views expressed there. Shinra News has already been archived, its functionality was absorbed into Twitter since dedicated news sites were doing a much better job of long-form articles than we were.
- As for the DNC, after well over a decade of running it, everyone just ran out of ideas like Techno said, but I think if there was to be a new DNC manager, I see nothing wrong with bringing it back. (QHRvRIC, if you wanted to take up the mantle and could demonstrate you had lots of new ideas to keep things interesting rather than just Cloud vs Squall for the Nth time, that could potentially even be you.)
- I think it's not quite right to say that we are "just Wikipedia but FF" -- there's always a lot of chatter on the wiki-associated Discord and Twitter and we put out podcasts and LPs with some frequency (it could be higher, but we have not enough cast members I think, and besides most of the time there isn't that much of interest to say on podcasts except when big news drops from SE). If there were other fun activities people were interested in participating in, and a team of FFWikiers who wanted to run these activities, we would probably be happy to play host to them. Cat (meow ∙ hunt) 19:36, 1 March 2021 (UTC)