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::I've got a good idea. Revert the whole shabang back to the way it was before! No free advertising on wikia is worth this much grief. {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 21:12, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I've got a good idea. Revert the whole shabang back to the way it was before! No free advertising on wikia is worth this much grief. {{User:Jeppo/sig}} 21:12, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::We can handle image captions, galleries, and tables separately. [[Special:Contributions/79.69.207.10|79.69.207.10]] 21:18, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::We can handle image captions, galleries, and tables separately. [[Special:Contributions/79.69.207.10|79.69.207.10]] 21:18, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
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Is there a way to change back to the plain wiki skin? [[User:Odin89|Odin89]] ([[User talk:Odin89|talk]]) 23:07, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

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I like it. The only question I have about it is if you have tried to put black text on the orange instead of yellow. Yellow and orange are analogous colors, and it might be aggravating for some and difficult to read for others, particularly for people with monochromatic vision or deuteranopia because they are not substantially different in terms of their tonal value. I'm not personally too bothered by it, but I once made a webpage which was starkly lime green and black.
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It's the Edge of Madness, 8-bit.

Anyway, looks good. I quite like it. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:52, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

The Oasis look is probably what will matter to the Wikia judges. I like it, you can see more of the Edge of Madness battlefield there too, but what is that white bar on the right in Catuse's screenshot?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 11:48, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

From the looks of it that screenshot is of my sandbox, so that white bar is proof of my half-assed-ness ;p. Doreiku Kuroofangu 11:57, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
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It's glorious. But it clearly shows there's no reason to use backgrounds for the .png Search Images, and in particular, these don't match with the default skin. I don't endorse a removal of all search images' backgrounds, because we definitely don't need a grainy white border born from an half-assed job.

The above also applies to those icons for the forum and youtube and their horrible backgrounds. - Henryacores^ 16:59, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, giving the "SEARCH" font a small white border effect could be very positive for all cases. Specially if we want to put a big dark image in the box. - Henryacores^ 17:01, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Will this be just the front page or everything?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:26, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

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It could be a strain to eyes to read large chunks of text with black background white text. Could try something with less contrast. I also feel the "Superhero Mog" that replaces the Ivalice moogle doesn't really fit. It'd fit better if the theme was like trick or treat ghosts and bats and full moons and pumpkins, but with the zombies and pits of inferno it looks out of place. I don't have a good suggestion on what to replace it with though.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 15:50, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

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I like the orange. I like the dorky face too. Haha did it always have a little pink bow on its head, how silly.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:06, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

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As I stated on User talk:JBed, I forcibly added a line to keep it white, so that can be removed.

This line also needs to be included

.forumheader, #catlinks, #footer{background-color:#111111 !important}

Which I recently added after I came to this forum topic and saw that the forumheader, the footer, and the categories were a bad colour. Okayynot (talk) 21:47, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

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Are you sure that's not just an "intentional 00FF00 green" green? Okayynot (talk) 00:32, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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If you want to change the green on the headers (if they weren't intended to be green), this:

#column-one div.portlet h5{color:[color] !important}

Although I didn't test that so things are bound to be wrong. Although I don't know which colour would be best. You might want to bold the text maybe, or do other alterations. You know how styles work, right? Okayynot (talk) 00:36, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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Your usual formatting methods being HTML? Anything within a style attribute-thing is CSS.

Bold = "font-weight:bold". Italic = "font-style:italic". Font-type = "font-family:[font-name]". Text colour="color:[color]". These are the most common font/text attributes. Okayynot (talk) 00:46, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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Oh, okay. MediaWiki formatting. MediaWiki taught me almost everything I know about HTML and CSS (because we used CSS on wikis in the style attribute (before I even knew what CSS was) and then I investigated further -- I also knew about HTML and then just checked the changes between MediaWiki and HTML).

Anyway. How do we plan on implementing the Halloween skin? I suggest we make MediaWiki:Halloween.css or MediaWiki:Halloween/monobook.css and then use import on MediaWiki:Monobook.css. I will verify whether this works in a minute. It means it'll be easier to handle. And if people prefer the Halloween skin they can just import it in their own CSS and use it forever. 79.69.205.174 18:17, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, got it working. As you can see here (and here). For some reason I can't import it from the CSS, but I can import it from the JS so all is fine. Since it is in JS we may also be able to add a system so we can have it automatically use the Halloween skin between a certain day range. JBed (talk) 18:46, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Also, can I ask that you change File:Wiki.png back to the normal logo? Then upload the Halloween logo at its own image, and use CSS to change the logo?

div#p-logo > a{background-image:url([image url]) !important}

JBed (talk) 18:53, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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Basically:

  • Revert File:Wiki.png back to the default logo.
  • Upload the Halloween monobook logo at a new image.
  • Copy and paste all the Halloween CSS into MediaWiki:Halloween/monobook.css.
  • Add div#p-logo > a{background-image:url([the full url of the Halloween monobook logo]) !important} to the bottom of MediaWiki:Halloween/monobook.css.
  • Go into MediaWiki:Monobook.js and add importStylesheetPage('MediaWiki:Halloween/monobook.css', 'finalfantasy'); to the top of it.

Then all should work. JBed (talk) 19:18, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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?? It's not meant to work for Oasis. JBed (talk) 20:02, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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Edit conflict

Okay, so the CSS that is in User:Okayynot/monobook.css is not the final CSS we should use. I'll let you make the tweaks if you like. As you said, you want the background of the search portlet to be black-- I told you how to do it but I didn't change that CSS because you already had a copy of that CSS and I assumed you did what I told you. Which was removing this from the CSS:

#column-one .portlet div#searchBody{background:white !important}

Right? I also don't know what you were saying about the images. If you want to change them to your halloween ones, you'll have to be editing MediaWiki:Monobook.js. There's a long list of images? I'll assume that's how they are controlled on wiki.

Now get the Monobook skin up and running and then I'll help you with handling the Oasis skin. JBed (talk) 20:32, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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The Search images no longer load? Was that happening before?

Anyway, Drake and anyone interested, copy User:JBed/wikia.css into Special:MyPage/wikia.css. Then view the wiki in Oasis. Then tell me any changes you think should be made. JBed (talk) 21:55, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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Okay, like with the monobook logo can we upload the halloween logo at a different location? I have the CSS to change it.

After that, we can update the Oasis skin. JBed (talk) 22:34, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

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Well, make MedaWiki:Halloween/wikia.css, then import it in MediaWiki:Wikia.js.

Also I just looked on the main page and I don't think that the green looks good on the orange. JBed (talk) 23:03, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

I can easily change it, something darker perhaps? Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:05, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
Either dark green or just-black I think.
Right, so now we can copy all the content in User:JBed/wikia.css into MediaWiki:Halloween/wikia.css.
Then we can add importStylesheetPage('MediaWiki:Halloween/wikia.css', 'finalfantasy'); to the top of MediaWiki:Wikia.js. JBed (talk) 23:08, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
Already done. :) Thank you very, very much for your help man. We never could have done this so efficiently without you. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:12, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
One snag, in Oasis the site notice looks screwed up. Doreiku Kuroofangu 23:22, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
I was attempting to fix this before I even read your comment.
#mw-dismissable-notice{background:#111111 !important}

JBed (talk) 23:44, October 18, 2012 (UTC)



Okay guys, small problem. Importing from JS is horrible.

So on Oasis can we go into MediaWiki:Wikia.css and add:

@import url("http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Halloween/wikia.css&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text/css&smaxage=86400&action=raw&maxage=86400");

to the top?

And then go into MediaWiki:Monobook.css and add:

@import url("http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Halloween/monobook.css&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text/css&smaxage=86400&action=raw&maxage=86400");

right at the top?

And then a day or two's time, remove the importScripts from the JS?

At times like this I wish I had admin powers. I soooo want to make everything on the wiki CSS [for this very reason actually, changing the skin would be so easy-- no editing of any pages other than CSS pages would be required] JBed (talk) 23:57, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Am I changing the url that Wikia.css is already importing, or am I adding a second url to what it's importing? <_<; Monobook has no such issues so no worries there. Jimcloud 00:12, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
Wikia.css needs to import Common.css (because it doesn't already) and it needs to import the Halloween css. It needs both. 79.69.207.10 12:56, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
You can't just ask the admins to add CSS and JS imports from your userspace to the MediaWiki stuff? Then you could fix stuff to your heart's content C A T U S E 01:27, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe this is a problem unique to Monobook, I don't know, but there's some issue with redlinks being hard to tell from a working link. BLUER一番 09:25, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm having the same problem with colours in Monobook. However, I've been shown how to alter colours in css to make this easier. Also, the black background is causing a problem for any articles that have images with non-transparent backgrounds, which is a shame. Tia-LewiseDorky Face FF7 13:14, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

[1] I think the background would be better if it was the same colour as the "Hot Spots" box. It is similar colour as the background pics and the text looks nicer on it imo. I think both images could be from Ultimecia Castle because "haunted castle" is a pretty good Halloween theme, and I think it would look more coherent; don't really need to show the whole breadth of the FF world for a novelty theme, in fact, probably better not to. The yellow tab at the top is a bit ... bright.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 14:49, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

"Also, the black background is causing a problem for any articles that have images with non-transparent backgrounds, which is a shame." - Agreed, particularly with Garnet on the main page. On the plus side it's easy to find which images need transparency now. Anyone feel like looking over the enemy lists and doing some busywork? ;p Doreiku Kuroofangu 14:57, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
To make it easier for the future, couldn't we stick the non-transparent images into a category like 'Images needing transparent backgrounds?' That way, when the site colours are back to normal, we'll still know which ones need doing. Tia-LewiseDorky Face FF7 15:11, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
If you are having a black background, the text should be yellow, not red. Red-on-black is difficult to read for some people. The orange links are fine. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 15:26, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
And FFFF00 on a black background is obnoxiously bright. JBed (talk) 15:37, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
How about this? Tia-LewiseDorky Face FF7 15:43, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
"couldn't we stick the non-transparent images into a category like 'Images needing transparent backgrounds?" - why we have Template:Update Image. I'll also note that if you wanna download Gimp for free (not you specifically Tia, just anyone reading this), then I can show people how to quickly grab an image from the wiki, add transparency and upload it over the old filename, it only takes a few seconds unless you're working with non-pngs converting to png, and it takes about the time amount of time and effort as it would to slap that template on the file instead. Doreiku Kuroofangu 15:48, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I just didn't know we had a category for that sort of thing. If I download Gimp, don't suppose you could help me out quickly when you have some time, as to how to use it? Tia-LewiseDorky Face FF7 15:51, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, the yellow on black is worse because the contrast is so much higher. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:14, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Colourblind people cannot see red on black. At all. Support changing to less red colour. The Shinra News banner does not work with black background, we just have a crystal with no text right now.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:19, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

As a quick fix, I've uploaded the title with no transparency. Obviously it will need to be reverted back when this madness ends.
Also, with the yellow-on-black, yes it is high contrast, but isn't that kinda the point? It needs to be readable. Use white for all I care. Just not red. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 17:42, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
Readable yes, eye-searingly obnoxious, no. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 20:47, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
You can't really use yellow/white because you still need to be able to read it on white background too in image captions, galleries and tables.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 21:06, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
I've got a good idea. Revert the whole shabang back to the way it was before! No free advertising on wikia is worth this much grief. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 21:12, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
We can handle image captions, galleries, and tables separately. 79.69.207.10 21:18, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Is there a way to change back to the plain wiki skin? Odin89 (talk) 23:07, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

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