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HERE YE, HERE YE

THE TRIUMVIRATE HAS CALLED THE SENATE AND THE PEOPLE OF THE WIKI (SPQW)

TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING IMPERATIVE AFFAIRS OF THE STATE:

☞1st THE ANNUAL QUESTION OF WHOM TO PROMOTE TO HIGHER RANKS

☞2nd THE QUESTION OF A PROPER SCHEDULE TO CALL THE SPQW TO DISCUSS THE ABOVE QUESTION

☞3rd THE QUESTION OF METHODS FOR PROMOTION, WHETHER THE FORUM, RELAY, OR SOME OTHER METHOD BE PREFERED

LET THE FLOOR NOW BE OPEN TO ALL OPINIONS

WHOEVER MAY SPEAK, LET THAT CITIZEN SPEAK CONCISELY, REASONABLY AND CLEARLY

DO NOT FEAR TO BRING THY OWN NOMINATION FORWARD

SIGNED ON ACCOUNT OF SPQW

TI. SCATHUS MOTE

MEMBER OF THE TRIUMVIRATE


THE NOMINATION PROCESS WILL CLOSE IN THREE DAYS FROM 23:30, October 15, 2014 (UTC). NO MORE VOICES SHALT BE HEARD PAST THAT DATE.
SIGNED ON ACCOUNT OF SPQW

TI. YUANCHOSAAN

MEMBER OF THE TRIUMVIRATE


THE NOMINATION PROCESS HAS CLOSED.

SIGNED ON ACCOUNT OF SPQW

TI. YUANCHOSAAN

MEMBER OF THE TRIUMVIRATE
THE TALKS ABOUT METHODS OF PROMOTION HAVE BEEN CONTINUED HERE.

ALSO WE'VE STOPPED WITH THE ROMAN STUFF.
SIGNED ON ACCOUNT OF NOBODY IN PARTICULAR
MR. SOME COLOR MAGE

MEMBER OF THE WIKISTAFF

Nominations

JBed (Bcrat/sysop)

  • I nominate me for crat yo. JBed (talk) 22:50, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  • I support. Also, if JBed (and we as well) can benefit from it in some way then okay. ;) —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:27, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  • There are three ways to view a JBed nomination: (1) JBed should not be promoted for the reasons he hasn't been promoted in the past -- except that for the most part, these issues no longer apply; (2) JBed can be an admin but we don't need crats -- in theory crats aren't much different than an admins, but in practice, a crat could lead the wiki in general. That means judging consensus, keeping tabs on pages like Project:Clan Primer, and yelling at DNC committee when they fail to update on time. C A T U S E 02:34, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • A recurring theme with the nominations I've seen are that they're from people who I've previously been apprehensive to supporting promotions for. But honestly, all my apprehensions are no longer valid. Kaimi is a great editor, Blue's reputation is worse than he actually is, and JBed is definitely not ILHI. So yeah, support the three of them. (Although JBed, not exactly sure on why you want bcrat, is there any specific reason for you to have it over just regular admin tools?) -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • SysOp alone is acceptable, but I'm aiming high! I feel my values lie well in the definition of a wikicrat, although on this wiki crat means little extra and exist only in wealth to prevent tyranny, essentially. I don't think I could give any better reason because there aren't that many valid reasons. I guess if there were one thing above all else, you know I'm a stickler for proper process*(if we gloss over some past things I did). If someone like that being crat would be more disruptive that's you guys' call. JBed (talk) 13:36, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • I'll vote JBed for Sysop, not Bcrat though. Been around forever and ever, will be around forever and ever. Has improved behavior infinitely, also never leaves the IRC. Cratness seems a bit unnecessary. --BlueHighwind 16:38, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • Subjective opinion - I have full support for the sysopship of JBed, bcrat is unnecessary and I don't think we need any more bcrats, sysop is different story. Don't know the history but some of the users have told me he's been a pain, and I - who has worked more closely with him in recent times than most - have never had a problem with him that I've not forgotten the next day. May be heavily biased towards the "srs bzness" POV when it comes to wiki discussion, but there are other admins to balance this out. I trust JBed, my concerns for giving the protect and block buttons to the user who's quickest to revert edits aside, to run the wiki smoothly. What's really tipped the balance is that a) he now doesn't seem to "hog" work to himself and try to do everything without letting anyone else, and b) because supporting his promotion is the least I can do to thank him for teaching me programming. And you're mistake if you think he wants anything but the best for this wiki.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 17:09, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • If anything, our admins are too flexible. I'm guilty of this too, partially out of laziness and partially out of just not knowing every policy on the wiki (and we don't even have a lot), and it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be (remember when we had a "Rock (Advent Children)" page that stood for almost a month because nobody could be arsed to delete it? That was back in the good old days of 2011, when men were men and we didn't have any admins at all). C A T U S E 19:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • I hate to be the one who brings the discussion down, but I'd just like to point out the reason, the reason that I believe JBed is not well-suited for an adminship position: inflexibility. JBed is a user of uncompromising standards and great talent, and is undoubtedly one of, if not the most prolific and productive editors on the Wiki. At the same time, however, his inability to see from the perspective of users he is discussing with has long been a source of conflict and edit warring on the Wiki, and those same uncompromising standards lead to him having occasional difficulties working with other users. I certainly haven't forgotten the Article Creation Policy incident two years past, and it wasn't even two years ago when JBed was ban evading on this very Wiki*(I'm not discussing the reasons behind that ban, that's not the point, the point is that the ban that was made was being evaded. It's that simple.)! While I respect JBed as a user and as a person, he's one of the last people I'd want to see given the rights to edit protected pages. Jimcloud 17:55, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • ^I currently have more power than just being able to edit protected pages. I can control the contents of pages, and the basic viewing and editing ability for any user on any page. If what I could do with protection is what is worrying you then you've already let me too deep. JBed (talk) 18:47, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • Have to agree with Jimcloud on the inflexibility part, I said it in my own supporting comment that he's heavily biased towards the serious and non-fun side of the wiki, ie wanting to delete the Nalbina Dungeons, being the only user who has a problem with my "light of judgement plz", and I've come across more on random talk pages but they're old and I have less context behind, but I don't think that bias in particular is a sufficient reason to ultimately oppose him as it's balanced by other admins. I still support JBed, but I do have to agree with some of JC's comments, even though a few fall under the "if you gloss over a few past things I did" in his footnote. I guess I'm trying to say her points are worth considering even if my view has not ultimately changed.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 11:18, October 14, 2014 (UTC) EDIT: changed a few sentences21:32, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
      • I assume "wanting to delete the Nalbina Dungeons" refers to Project talk:Nalbina Dungeons#Kill it, which was back when the page was just unfunny vandalism and 7-year-old in-jokes. That's still a majority of the page, but more of the content was actually funnier. Also, when mass deleting pages, "light of judgement plz" is kind of annoying to try to parse, unless it's in your userspace and I'm sure nobody else cares about it. C A T U S E 22:41, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
  • I support JBed for admin. He seems to have mellowed quite significantly over the past year or so, and I think he can be trusted to be an asset to the Wiki with the new tools. Besides, as with Blue, in the unlikely event that there is a major problem, it is not hard to revoke sysop rights. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 12:13, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Objective opinion - To clarify my objective stance on JBed (my subjective is unchanged mostly), while I personally have never had much of a problem, my concern is that other people have. I've been told by several others, many of whom are admins, that they have found JBed disruptive to work with and a pain. I've heard a few have said that he makes several people nervous about editing the wiki, and I imagine this is because of his tendency to revert before explaining things rather than after, and be very objectionable about some things. Other than that, I guess it might also be because of his tendency to devolve to "-_-" emoticons in IRC discussions. At any rate, while I have no problem with him, several others I've heard do not sound fond of working with him as an admin, whether based on past or not, this kind of nervousness makes it difficult. So I guess I objectively think, maybe not now, though obviously he is improving. If that's coupled with my subjective opinion, then I'm going to take the same stance with Xenomic; neutral, leaning towards support.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 14:38, October 16, 2014 (UTC) struck by request on irc C A T U S E 22:41, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't have much to say on this one, it's all already been said. In part I agree with Jimcloud, but I also can acknowledge that JBed has calmed down in recent times in particular with the bossiness and creating one policy after another. I'm sure powers can be taken away if we deem the user to be abusing them, so I guess...we can give it a go? Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 09:15, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • He's put in a LOT of work to this Wiki. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 21:35, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
  • Support, he's considerably mellowed out and if he causes trouble with his position, which I doubt he will, we can take the powers away. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:29, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Kaimi (Mod)

  • I'd like to be a bit bigger part of the community so I'd like to be a moderator, nothing more. It would slightly improve my helpfulness in the Wiki.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:27, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per my comment. C A T U S E 02:34, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • Support Kaimi for mod. I was surprised a while back when I saw he wasn't one already. Useful user who contributes to a number of things and knows his way around the place. Also modship is hardly something to oppose.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 12:20, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • See above. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • Ditto, here here, fourthed. --BlueHighwind 16:40, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • I've been parading this suggestion around for a while now, so should it be any surprise that I'm supporting it? Jimcloud 17:55, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • I support Kaimi for mod. I am sure he could make use of the additional tools and is of a suitable calibre. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 12:13, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Because mod rights could do nothing but make Kaimi's editing experience easier, and I trust Kaimi not to do exponential damage. I'm sure I supported you in past years but I can't find evidence of it. JBed (talk) 15:37, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • No objection from me here. Your work and tenacity can only support this further. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 09:16, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • Support, edits often and frequently and is trustworthy. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:29, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Hexedmagica (King of Metal/Prettiest Princess)

  • I'd like to nominate myself for admin/bcrat. Because I am the best. And you all love me. And I already fit the profile by being lazy as fuck. Hexed 00:11, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • I nominate Hexed to be promoted to King of Metal. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • It occurs to me that I'm supporting everything here except you. Sorry, Hexed. You'll always be the prettiest princess. (✿◠‿◠) 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 12:13, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

BlueHighwind (Admin)

  • I nominate me for Admin, actually seriously. Been here for years, I edit as much as I can even in my old age. I'm a Wikia Star (which means nothing, I know, but it sounds fancy). And since Scathe is apparently casting Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, I'd like to play Brutus. --BlueHighwind 00:12, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • Of all the silly nominations, this guy has the most qualification. Doesn't have aussie drawl, and rants at like 5 people on youtube. C A T U S E 02:34, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't know the history, I just know the basics that BH was simultaneously one of the biggest contributors and least mature users with an attitude problem (?). From talking to him during several LP recording sessions he most definitely isn't disinterested in what the wiki is, also sensible, an old-timer and I would trust him to be fair. While he may be a goof in the IRC, and may be prone to offtopicness during Let's Plays, in a job of adminship I think he'd know what he's doing. On condition that he checks the RC and does admin jobs, he has my support.*(besides if he doesn't suddenly become active, then at least nothing has changed :D)--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 12:20, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • See above. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, well, I'll start this off by being generous and leaving aside the fact that Blue has openly stated he intended to vandalize the Wiki when he got adminship when he was younger. Blue barely edits the Wiki, hasn't done in years, and when he does contribute to on-wiki discussions, it's almost invariably solely with off-topic humor. Which is not to say I'm not a fan of humor, I'm just having a lot of difficulty figuring out where exactly Blue is possessed of the qualities we look for in an admin. That being said, this is the first time I have actually taken this nomination seriously, so in that specific criteria, your qualifications seem to be improving. If you really want adminship, then I suggest you show us why we should give it to you. Jimcloud 17:55, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • That was the immature BlueH who said that, and it's easy to demote admins. I agree with most of Jimcloud's points that BH needs to show he can, but I get the feeling he is ready to show that he can and just needs a shove towards the right direction. Maybe not as much as in the past, but still.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 11:18, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Indeed, I support Blue in his long quest for adminship. He is worthy at long last. Plus, he's the closest thing we have to Jeremy Clarkson, and we urgently need one of those in a position of power. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 12:13, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • BH is a long-term user, but also a long-term non-editor. Besides a few edits in recent days and some sporadic edits over the last X years, BH hasn't really been involved with the wiki itself. His involvement in wiki projects makes him a great feature of the wiki, but sysop? I guess I'm judging him as more of a newbie user right now. An experienced wiki editor, but an FFWiki newbie. JBed (talk) 15:37, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • I believe BH is always going to be judged on his past rather too harshly. But he is already a moderator which shows we at least have some trust in him, and that has to stand for something. However Jimcloud is right, the editing should ideally rise at some rate. If that can happen, and some maturity and interest can be displayed, then hell, why not? Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 09:19, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • I think it is time for BlueHighwind to be an admin. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 21:35, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose, does not edit frequently or in any serious capacity, contrary to JBed I see little evidence that BH has matured beyond his past persona and is now trustworthy with this power. Further, the point of Admins is to have people around to delete articles and files and protect pages. We have plenty of very active Admins to take care of those things. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:29, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

ILHI (Rights revoked)

  • Revoke ILHI's rights as it is the only mod account that will never edit again and means one less useless portrait on the staff page. I would support admining JBed, I have a lot of reasons why, but I think I'll let him nominate himself for that.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 00:49, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • We really shouldn't need to vote on this one but I'm just making sure staff actually notice it when we review all this stuff. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

Technobliterator (Admin)

  • And now for a proper nomination, I'd like to put myself forward for admin. This is for convenience and utility purposes. I have frequently asked the currrent admin team (which are all very helpful, btw) to assist me in deletions and other admin-requiring tasks. Though my history is not completely flawless, I promise to be fair and objective when it comes to dealing with user problems. That said, the delete and protect (or rather, editing protected pages) are really what I would benefit from with admin powers. I am a helpful, active and available user, and while admins have a history of leaving after promotion, I don't see myself leaving for a while unless it's due to IRL issues, this is because I still have dozens of tasks I want to see completed. If people would support me for adminship, then I would be very happy to fulfil duties as a more active admin than most who require prodding first. If not, then I shall stay a mod/designer but still prod the admins.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 12:20, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • As long as you remember not to let the bot use the admin functions, we don't want to accidentally do something stupid and delete half the wiki. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 12:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • I'd argue that this is a right of passage for admins consuls. ScatheMote 13:14, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • The DNC only feels like it's half the wiki, but point taken. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 13:21, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • DNC deletion jokes besides, we already have a policy that bots can't use admin abilities without a discussion by wikistaff. C A T U S E 19:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • If we had to promote only one person of the current lot of suggestions to admin, Techno would be my suggestion, bar none. Despite his relative newness to the Wiki, he has already proven himself extremely able and helpful and has made a number of positive changes to the Wiki in general. Support. Jimcloud 17:55, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • Because of designer powers, bot access, and Lua, he already has the ability to break the wiki several times over; however, he doesn't. He's not as new as people think (a whole years' worth of activity under his belt), and while he occasionally goes against policy he's willing to learn. C A T U S E 19:54, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • Well actually, he has designer powers but doesn't know JavaScript and is only recently becoming familiar with the selectors of CSS and yet still has somehow managed to break the wiki a number of times. ;3 If he wasn't in my timezone for me to catch and fix/poke him toward the errors who knows what he may unleash! JBed (talk) 20:02, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
      • He hasn't broken the wiki like I've broken the wiki, and nowhere near what Scathe's capable. I once had the bot change over 100 image links to incorrect links, and this was before I knew how to mass revert so I had to undo all of it by hand. And Scathe... Scathe deleted the goddamn DNC. C A T U S E 06:27, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • I support Techno for admin, perhaps with the caveat that JBed-senpai can watch over him :p 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 12:13, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
    • I thought it was well known I'm basically JBed's apprentice as it is? :D--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 14:44, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • I think I've settled on a neutral stance to Techno's promotion. But I was just thinking, Techno's track record with other users... Fenrir, Shockstorm, Spira(a bit less) anyone? The rage in those arguments remind of that ILHI fella'. JBed (talk) 15:14, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't see how you can possibly hold that against me. I raged at Fenrir in a total of 2 posts when I knee jerk reacted. I raged at Shockstorm in a total of 3 posts when I was defending my friend. I didn't even rage at Spira, I just reverted him twice. I was not the aggressor in any of those situations, I started none of them, I just knee jerk reacted. Notice how I have done nothing ever since the Fenrir incident? Have I not mentioned how guilty I feel about that? If you think I would possibly continue this behaviour then I don't even know what to say.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 15:32, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
      • I'm only posting here because i see that i have been mentioned, otherwise i'd avoid this whole thing entirely. the merit of ones contribution should not be downplayed by the conflicts one might have with other users, especially if it is over the benefit of the wiki. and if personalities do not match misunderstandings are bound to happen as well, but we should also think of each other as colleagues and keep it professional here - no hard feelings. although it does seem like a very short time since he joined this wiki and then got modship, i believe his contributions thus far serve as more than enough validation to take up a promotion. what can i say.. design guy is good at what he does. give him more power to do his thing--Arciele Spira (talk) 15:11, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
  • I have to say that on the Shockstorm part, that was mostly my fault, so please don't rage at Techno for that when it was all me for moaning at him about it and pretty much provoking him. And we have had conversations about keeping his temper under control since Fenrir and being more polite to people and I have to say he's done well since then. I might be biased towards Techno as it's me who took him in when he arrived here, but he's one of the few users these days to arrive, take scope of what needs to be done, and set to work with brilliant dedication. Not only that but he actively asks the community for opinions on work that needs doing, is an IRC constant, and has shown that in general he really does just know what he's doing. Full support on this. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 09:23, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • Support, has proven an outstanding, reliable, and consistent editor that has made invaliable contributions to the Wiki. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:34, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Xenomic (Whatever)

  • Well, since people in the past seems to think that it would be a good idea to have me be an admin or whatever, might as well. I may not do much here as I have done in the past, but I still check around at least 1-5 times a day, so there's that I suppose? I dunno, just tossing myself into the mix for once. *shrugs* Xenomic (talk) 20:09, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • As someone who's going through and deleting images he's SDing right now as I type, I can't question his dedication. Xeno singlehandedly keeps tabs on parts of the wiki that admins are supposed to be in charge of (*cough*Unused Images Hosting*cough*), and other forms of behind-the-scenes maintenance. Only problem is overzealousness, but JBed's anti-deletion JS trick should slow him down if he tries to go on a mass deletion spree or something of that sort. C A T U S E 06:27, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Eh...I'm gonna be honest, I love Xeno, but I don't really know about this one...I mean, I don't think he'd be bad at the job, and giving the delete button to the guy who always has to SD stuff is never a bad idea. But then again, he's shown before that while he's super dedicated when he does edit, he doesn't really like sticking around for too often or he just has to chill out and step back, I don't know if we want him representing us on those bases, although he has my resepect because he never takes his dislike for the wiki out on other people. In fact, him being a dedicated editor and a very pleasant guy who afaik has never gotten into an argument are my strongest reasons for supporting, but I've never seen him as an admin, and I'm not sure if I think it's for him. That he put "Whatever" here doesn't show strong commitment other than "eh if you like"...Neutral, leaning heavily towards support, but I'll sit on the fence.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 11:18, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
    • I'm gonna throw out a guess and say Xenomic's actually forgotten what he is. :P To clarify, Xen, you're already a mod, so this is an application for admin, right? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:21, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
      • I knew I was a mod. I just forgot what was above mod is all. Xenomic (talk) 19:37, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
  • I unreservedly support this motion. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 12:13, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Xenomic has a note on his page apparently claiming he isn't around as much, but he's still editing, and that's enough for me. --BlueHighwind 14:19, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • PLEASE. Jimcloud 14:56, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Letting Xen have the ability to delete would make the jobs he does here much faster. The utility of that alone is worth the promotion. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:38, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
  • I wanted to nominate him in the last staff discussion and got shot down entirely on account of his inactivity. That being said he is always around somehow and finds something to do (looks back at the 70 or so images I deleted last week on his request). Yeah, we should totally support this. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 09:25, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Xion Valentine (Acknowledgement/Moderator)

  • An oft-forgotten maintenance editor. With over 40,000 edits to linking, formatting, grammar, syntax, and such, Xion doesn't attempt to be part of wikipolitics, because she's more of the almighty janitor holding everything together without recognition. Whether this is a mod or acknowledge nomination depends on whether Xion feels she can use the relinking tools that come with being a mod. C A T U S E 06:27, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh, I knew there was one nomination I wanted to put forward other than removing ILHI to clear the staff page a bit...yes, Xion Valentine. Not only is she a great editor that actually knows what she's doing, when she does make a few mistakes, she even fixes her own mistakes before we do. For instance, she created Gilgamesh (Type-0) at the wrong page name, when I moved it, she fixed the links before I did! Xion is a dedicated and helpful user, I would put her for mod on the basis that we have little mods, if not, acknowledgement for sure. I have a big concern though, which is that she doesn't actually talk. I'm not sure if this is shyness or anti-socialness on her part, but she never discusses policy, she just does things. Correct things, but I don't know if moderator is for people who don't really talk. Definitely acknowledgement, possibly moderator.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 11:18, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • Xion is certainly suitable for the position, provided she actually wants it. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 12:13, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
    • If she doesn't, we put her in acknowledgement :p--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 14:44, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • I support this whether Xion wants it or not. I've seen her on recent changes a lot, doing small work but lots of it, that's enough for me. --BlueHighwind 14:17, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm of two minds on this one. On one hand, her talk page reads like somebody took a match to the thing. On the other hand, yes, she has made a lot of hard work to improving this Wiki. You know who else did that? Shockstorm. You know what he got? Acknowledgement. Thinking he had moderatorship, I was going to be in a neutral position on this, but going back and checking, my position is firmly: acknowledgement yes, modship no. Jimcloud 14:56, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's really fair to give an opinion on this until we know whether or not Xion actually wants the position. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:21, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
    • OK, she's obviously not gonna say anything so may as well give my opinion. A very blunt no to modship. Xion is a dedicated editor, but she is completely removed from interacting with other users. We don't require perfect behaviour from our staffers (See: about 3/4 of us :V) but at least they try. Xion's just... there. She barely responds to anything and you don't know if she's noticed you asking her to do/notice something until her next editing spree. I don't think that's appropriate behaviour for a staff member.
However, we don't really have any attitude requirements for acknowledgement, so I have no objection on that front. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:35, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
  • Acknowledgement, yes. Moderator, no. Xion has never made any decent attempt to speak with users and whenever she has it's always been rude. And as said above there has never been any input on forum threads which demonstrates a lack of interest. I'd leave her to go about her work as she does now and make a note of her on the Staff page, she deserves that at least. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 09:28, October 17, 2014 (UTC)
  • Support Acknowledgement, Oppose Modship. As Tia points out, Xion is not very sociable and is often rude or dismissive to other users, and does not often take part in forum or talk discussions. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:29, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

  1. Give the other staff roles fancy names >:|
  2. I propose a change in the way we do this. As people who've heard me talk about this on the IRC before probably know, I massively dislike the big show and dance we put into staff positions. I don't think I've ever really explained why though, aside from the typical "It's a hotbed for drama".

Basically, I feel like making a huge deal out of promotions conflicts with our intended view that staffers are just regular users with extra buttons. We want the staff to be treated the same as everybody else but we promote them via a vote that sometimes borders too closely to a popularity contest then put them on a podium while the rest of us go "GEE AREN'T THEY SPECIAL". It just doesn't mesh together.

Furthermore, we are already breaking from this format. Earlier this year we promoted Tia and Techno without doing all this, I'm not sure about the details of Techno being made mod but for Tia we did all of the deliberation for it on IRC, which to be honest I don't particularly approve of either. In any case, we've already proven we don't need the big yearly thing, so why keep it?

So my proposal is that we have staff applications open at all times and that we make sure that every promotion is discussed on the wiki, not just IRC. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:08, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Gotta agree with this. Any respected member should be able to have themselves nominated for staff position at any time. This of course needs a specific policy on criteria for passing and how long the user must wait before they can be nominated again should their previous vote fail to pass. --Sove 23:41, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
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I agree with the "why once-yearly?" in thing in theory. If someone thinks they should be promoted then they should be able to create a forum topic at any time, or we could have a project page for it like I'm sure other wikis probably do. Techno's promo to designer proves this system works. And I would say my promotion to designer, but... uh...

But it's nice to have a place and time set up for me to renom myself each year. :p JBed (talk) 23:54, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

I accept the fact my nomination is going nowhere. I like the idea that next year I can waste more of our infinite supply of bytes on this again. And the year after. And the year after that. --BlueHighwind 00:49, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
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Yeah, I don't like this change of staff names (it's temporary right? a small joke? otherwise you would have changed the other things that matter effect it). I don't like the changing of names for the same reason I don't like the name of the Returner's Conclave, the Clan Primer, and the reason that I shouldn't like Rin's and Labyrinth if I weren't so used to them: they are inefficient titles that don't explain their contents. Mods and Admins is a system known by most on the internet, and sysops and crats are a system known by most wikis.

RE: Meetings, timezones is always an issue but ~23:00 my time (22UTC) seems to be when Aus come on, Brit's still up, and convenient evening time for NA. I think it's the management that goes into those meetings that is the problem. And I'm not surprised, seems like it'd be hard work. JBed (talk) 02:46, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

The staff role name changes is just us taking a joke further than we probably should and will be reverted back before this is all over, don't worry about it. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:10, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
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Ideal: "Nominations below". I'd rather not judge people based on how long they've been here, more on how they demonstrate to understand the place. And not on their previous rights, but how they would use their given rights. Not for the namespaces they edit in, but for the perceived value of their edits.

I don't believe prerequisites are necessary when we can just judge them instead. If people with less than 3 months presence are nominated and you think no one here for that long could possibly be worth giving rights, then they won't get the support will they? JBed (talk) 22:11, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with namespace point. Disagree on length. I'm not saying it should be 100% rigid, but we should have at least a demonstrated dedication to the wiki. Staying for a few months is one example, being able to articulate your contributions is another. --BlueHighwind 22:18, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
I'm fine with letting anyone who wants to make a serious nomination do so, as long as they accept that if they've only been here a short time and are deemed too inexperienced they've blown their chance for 6 months or however long we decide people have to wait between repeat nominations (after which, if they're still around, they probably will be experienced enough). -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 23:36, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

You guys are all forgetting places to request social media or bot access. Also, why should a user be able to acknowledge themselves? Doesn't that defeat the whole point of being acknowledged -- "hey, you did a cool thing, but for whatever reason we don't think you'd be an effective staff member"? C A T U S E 06:29, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

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@Techno: Right, but you make it sound like it's really an issue. Like we can't just tell an inexperienced member that they are inexperienced. Sure, it's for prevention, but it's just limiting. At least then we can give the user's feedback and a clear goal, potentially encouraging involved editors (or bad editors, who knows). JBed (talk) 12:11, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

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"I don't think it's appropriate for me to post my approval/disapproval here."

I personally would have thought it would be the perfect place given the purpose of this thread is for people to have their say. Yes, you will be involved in the discussions that promote the users so your opinion will still be heard, but if your opinion has any weight on who gets promoted (as like anyone else's opinion) then it should be publicly visible. JBed (talk) 14:50, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

Seconded. Yuany's opinion counts for more than anybody else's since she is one of the few that actually can upgrade people. I want to hear what will work and what won't and why. --BlueHighwind 14:56, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
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Less is more with these sort of social policies. We don't need more than BH's ground rules to stop random idiots from being nominated, or we'll start making exceptions left and right for special cases (actually, an exception to the annual forum rule -- Tia -- is what kicked off this discussion in the first place). C A T U S E 22:41, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

If we're using Blue's rules as a base, then really I only think rules 1 and 3 are needed, anything else we could come up with is gonna be very subjective and should probably just be done on a case by case basis. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 22:46, October 18, 2014 (UTC)
I'm kinda trying to technically (though not spiritually) subvert #1 so I don't think I could agree.
I mean *ahem*, if someone has been overlooked for being a mod but has understandable reason for being an admin, and everyone would trust them in the role and with the powers, why prevent it on a technicality? A user should have a trial period of at least x months as a mod before being an admin? JBed (talk) 22:57, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Adjudication

Let it be known that the triumvirate has made its decision.

The following imperial edicts are issued by Imperator Scathe the Honorable and Imperator Yuan the Magnificent, with help from the Imperial Consuls

In no particular order:

Catuse167 - THE FIRST TO DIE BY OUR HANDS

Hexedmagica - Prettiest Princess of Metal (✿◠‿◠) This is his official title to be used in legal documents and references to him. Please act accordingly under threat of banishment.

ILHI - Struck by the heavens. User request, and no longer required. So the gods have spoken, and so they shall carry out their will upon that poor mortal.

Xion Valentine - Acknowledgement. Has done a lot of work, but only wants acknowledgement. Fairly straightforward.

Kaimi - Moderator. Lots of edits and wikignoming. Has improved their contributions and knowledge of the wiki a lot.

BlueHighwind - No change. Despite a recent burst of edits, he isn’t really active on the wiki anymore. His contributions to discussions tend to be mostly in jest.

Xenomic - Administrator/Consul. Xenomic is the curious Wikian who constantly says he is taking a wikibreak, but is always editing or returns shortly with renewed vigour. As he does a lot of maintenance work, admin tools will be useful for him. Has also participated in many policy discussions relating to the mainspace in the past.

Technobliterator - No change. Techno has great activity and participation in policy and wiki events. However, his decision-making at times can be a bit questionable when it comes to discussions. We think this is largely due to inexperience and thus would be happy to reconsider (with a probable yes) in a few months time. It’s also difficult to predict what will occur to new active users - sometimes they go on for a long time, others disappear after the initial burst of activity - especially when one is a student about to enter tertiary education/the workforce. So we’d like to see a bit more consistency from Techno ere we promote him.

JBed - No change. This decision was the most difficult and was made after a lot of deliberation between Scathe and I, as well as the other admin staff. Supporting and dissenting opinions were exactly even, so we are uncomfortable promoting someone without a clear majority within the ranks of the Patricians.

Unquestionably, JBed deserves to be made an admin, and that appears to be the main reason why people are supporting him in this forum. However, I think he would also be the first to say that adminship should not be given to people solely because they “deserve” the position. This raises the question of the reason for promoting him (not helped by the fact that he hasn’t written a reason in his nomination).

Is it for how he will use the powers? We looked through his recent contributions and found mostly work with design, templates and policy, which do not require admin powers. Is it for the influence of the admin position? That is one of the key reasons why some of the admins dissented: worry that JBed is pursuing this position to make implementing policy easier for him, as he will be able to officially determine when discussions are done. This would be a return to his previous autodidactic behaviour.

The difficulty with this decision is that we have to acknowledge that JBed has changed a great deal for the better, and our past impressions shouldn’t impact on our current evaluation of his suitability for adminship. However, there still remains a streak of inflexibility which can make him difficult to work with, perhaps exemplified by how he has put himself forward in every nomination discussion thus far in precisely the same way. We guess what we would like to see from JBed is sober reflection and further change.

Peanut Gallery

Congratulations to Prettiest Princess of Metal (✿◠‿◠) Hexedmagica. And maybe some other people. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 04:43, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hey staffy people (and by that I mean Xeno and Kaimi) pick your favorite FFIV/Dissidia character already and put it in the staff page. C A T U S E 04:49, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

You were expecting this, right?

"found mostly work with design, templates and policy"

What I do changes all the time, and yes I am currently working on module stuff but that's because it is new and there is a lot to do.

"which do not require admin powers"

Well I tend not to do things that require admin powers when I don't have admin powers. Shocking, ikr?

"worry that JBed is pursuing this position to make implementing policy easier for him""

Then perhaps I can remove your worries by saying that thought never went through my mind once. Not even once. It probably should have, but no. Of course, I always use time limits on dead discussions when amending policy /so nothing would change with power/.

"not helped by the fact that he hasn’t written a reason in his nomination"

I thought I was sparing you the yearly wall.

I didn't really want to write a response, but I wasn't exactly going to leave theses misconceptions and odd thoughts uncorrected.

Edit: As an addendum, I find it quite strange that most of the reasons for not promoting me seem to be out of the blue. Like, what was all this this nomination stuff for if you were ultimately just going to ignore it and have your own vote? How can I defend perceptions of me if you just keep them to yourself? That is why I felt the need to write this response. Because these are things you didn't let me respond to before. JBed (talk) 04:59, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

The vote happened because Yuan and Scathe couldn't agree, so they asked the admins. There was no ignoring of the nominations involved considering the admins that did leave an opinion beforehand were a part of the vote, and we made sure that everyone else took the already present discussion into consideration. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 05:30, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
I was probably being a bit too hyperbolic, I didn't imagine the thread was disregarded, but given the reasons do not much reflect what is in the nominations, you can see what I'm saying. Since writing this I've become aware of an unlisted reason also never raised in the original process (and is the most outrageous of them all). JBed (talk) 05:49, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I figured, I just wanted to clarify that point. I can't exactly elaborate on other people's reasons and I don't feel comfortable dumping the log of us discussing this in the admin channel, although I'm guessing you already know the important parts by now anyway. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:01, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
"Despite a recent burst of edits, he isn’t really active on the wiki anymore. His contributions to discussions tend to be mostly in jest."

I'm here. I'll see you next admin forum. --BlueHighwind 05:02, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

So, I've talked to Yuan after this, and honestly, I'm not really upset (I never was), in fact, I'm kind of glad that the crats treated me fairly, even though I didn't get the promotion. Promoting me so quickly would be unprecedented, anyway. Maybe in about 3/4 months I'll be able to put myself up on the RfS page, until then, I'll still be using {{SD|light of judgement plz}} all day erry day. Congrats to Xeno and Kaimi, who definitely deserved it.--Magicite-ffvi-ios Technobliterator TC 10:42, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Techno, and everyone who thinks I can be a good mod. I recently added a Dissidia icon for me (Zidane) on the Staff page. And congrats to Xenomic and XionValentine. And to those who hoped for a rank up: keep helping the Wiki and your endeavours will get rewarded.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:54, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, so it is you is who shall be my 'brother'... 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 20:07, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
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