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		Booff7 - "Even if we could fly, the Ifrit's playing with fire and I'd rather not get burned" -Balthier TALK - What does Bahamut have that I don't >.<? {{{time}}}
		Lately I've been doing a bit of research on what seems to be known as the infamous FFX-2. I'm wondering whether I should get it or not and I was hoping some people could help answer a few questions. 1. Is X-2's story as terrible as the characters are? I hear that Yuna and Rikku's characters are completely screwed up but is the story itself awful as well? 2. This could be a rumor, but I hear that the whole Tidus and Yuna reuniting at the end is optional. Is it? X ended really, really, really, really well and that whole bringing Tidus back to life thing sounds like it would really ruin the original story. 3. Is the gameplay any good? Most people criticize the characters and plotline but is the actual combat decent because it looks really good. 4. How much singing am I actually going to have to endure? I know there is a song in the opening but how much more is there? 5. I've heard a lot of criticizm towards Yuna and Rikku but is Paine any good? I know this sounds random and completely out of the blue but I don't want to look into the game if it's going to ruin the plotline of Final Fantasy X itself because I uphold that as one of the three greatest Final Fantasies ever. Anyway, question 1 is the question I care the most about so I'd appreciate it if someone could get back to me with some answers, thanks =D.

		AzureDrake TALK - What the Christ {{{time}}}
		Going with story, yea it sorta just nullifies all the good stuff in X. X was about making sacrifices, if X-2 is just getting back sacrifices, what have you learned? nothing, thats what you learned. Otherwise, the battle system is reminiscient of FFXII yet a little different. i think that each time you encounter an enemy, it goes into that seperate "arena" type of area of battle system.but yea, i heard the battle system is pretty good, despite the story being so abysmally contradictive to the first game. if you have the extra moneys and you're just kupo for final fantasy, get it if you want.

		Dudutsai - "I am matter, I am antimatter, I can see your past, I can see your future, I consume time, and I will consume you!" TALK - MORPHING TIME! {{{time}}}
		The gameplay is in my opinion the only thing good about the game. 1. Garment Grids were a bit pointless because switching jobs in battle for a few powerups wasn't usually worth it. 2. The minigame, which I have forgotten the name of was fun, but extremely boring after a few rounds. 3. The mission system felt a lot like FFTA's mission system, which was bad. 4. You forgot to mention the music. The music was one of the things I hated most about the game. There isn't that much singing, but muting the game would be a good idea anyway. It was just a really boring game, even after ignoring some of the bigger defects like the music and the characters.

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		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - {{{time}}}
		It has the best battle system in the whole series and you can have moogles in your party. If it had Gilgamesh, it could reach a top. =/

	End Game - Proud to be a Vandal!
	Talk - Little kiddies writing video game walkthroughs have the nerve to tell me to get a life?
FFX2 is good for fan service; nothing more.

		Azul - "...When will Type-0 get an english localization? Who is John Galt?..." TALK - {{{time}}}
		FFX-2 was da bomb! I really don't see anything bad with it. 1.The story line is great too. You get to see Yuna but she's not so quiet and meek any more. She picked up some of Tidus' attitude. 2.SPOILER ALERT, DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RUIN THE STORY: Tidus does return! but you have to meet certain requirements (100%) and there is an explaination for his return, you'll see, I don't want to ruin too much END SPOILER. 3. and 5.Paine, AWSOME! Gameplay AWSOME! 4.There are two songs in the game; Real Emotion (opener), and 1000 Words (concert). You also have to listen to Yuna, Rikku, and Paine sing but only for a little bit when using a certain attack while in the Songstress dressphere (which is useless and you should not use it, the dressphere that is). Overall this game is really good and when you're finished with FFX you should buy FFX-2 and play it and you will be amazed at how such a critisized game is actually pretty cool!

		JAP - Spin-offs deserves more attention. TALK - GMT+7 {{{time}}}
		Meh, the only thing I really like about this game is the title theme song, Eternity ~memories of the lightwaves~. THAT's ALL. I hate the mission system, it's like they're ripping it from FFTA, and I dislike how the story becomes and all. But I guess everyone have their own tastes. I have no offense to those who like or love X-2, but me personally agreed with everyone else who hate it.

		TheSwordofDoubt - Xemnas may not be eternal, but his speeches definitely are. TALK - Nanoha ain't called "The White Devil" for no reason.
		What the hell?! Where have I been?! Anyway, I liked Yuna and all in X but if you ask me, there's no reason at all for her not to change that much in X-2. In fact, I liked her BETTER in X-2. I mean, she WAS good and all in X but let's face it: she didn't seem to know how to have fun. And imagine if you were in her shoes. I mean, you're gonna die and all, then suddenly, your faith is just shattered, and then you did the very thing you'd been aiming to do, except that you didn't die. So then of course you must've been relived and happy. And as for Rikku, her personality is the same and what's wrong with her outfit? It's what you's wear too if you lived out in the middle of the desert. Anyway, by reading my userpage, you will know that I LOVE FF X-2. And to think I came so close to being unable to get it. My copy was the very last one in the building, perhaps even the whole of Singapore. *shudders And Azul, the Songstress Dressphere IS useful. It was fundamental to my plan for defeating the Black Elemental in the Via Infinito, albeit late in the game. =D

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		don't you females(no offence) feel even the slightest gender insult to you girls?

		Hexedmagica - Rathalos: World Tour/All Ass Sword TALK - My companions' feelings have been etched upon this body. I'll change this eternal darkness into light! Heaven and Earth! One who matches the gods! CHOUGINGA GURREN-LAGANN! {{{time}}}
		I like X-2 (please don't kill me BH), the only thing I really hate about it is how the story is rushed towards the end.

		TheSwordofDoubt - Xemnas may not be eternal, but his speeches definitely are. TALK - Nanoha ain't called "The White Devil" for no reason.
		Not really Nelo, because I know that its just random bullshit coming out of someone's mouth. Makes sense to them, but not to me. =D

		Hecko Xtalk - blog - anime rants 08:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
		I'll try to keep them in the same order. The story isn't really worth while, because it is much too short and honestly not at all memorable because nothing actually happens. For lack of a better way of putting it, it's like an Indiana Jones movie, but without any of the good stuff. As for the characters, Rikku remains more or less the same. Yuna is supposed to be more open, which I guess she kinda is, but in a bad way. She is such a pushover and they made her look like a complete airhead, which is really a shame. Half the time, you be going "What they Hell is wrong with you?! SAY NO DAMNIT!!". As for Paine... think of her like a female, less cool version of Auron. It is optional, and is supposed to be considered a reward, but if you liked the ending to FFX, you'll hate the "reward". Gameplay is fairly interesting, and the minigames gives you a bunch of variety if you want to escape the "traditional" RPG part of the game, because in the long run, you'll realize that you need a break from it all. Unfortunately, despite them having a bunch of dresspheres with there own abilities, you'll mainly just switch between Warrior and Black Mage, perhaps add Gunner and Theif for variety because you don't need anything else to complete the game. I will say one thing though. They screwed over all the Blitzball fans. Start song and a 4-6 minute concert later on, but you can just switch over to MTV or something while it plays. No... not really. Like I said, she's like a not-so-cool version of Auron. You start of by knowing nothing about her past, except that "something" happened, which is intriguing at first, but as things get unweiled you start to lose interest.

		TacticAngel TALK - 11:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
		I have significantly less angst towards FFX2 than I do towards FFX. Why? Final Fantasy X tried to be a real game but somehow fell way short. I don't know what I hated most: the mind numbing color, the cheery attitude permiated with death, the fact that they were fighting Sin, that someone might actually consider that a 'storyline', the most androgenous lead ever, the lack of any really stand-out characters, or the monster collection... What I did like about it. I liked Lulu's character design. I found Rikku strangely endearing. Blitzball was totally addictive. The ATB system was actually fairly engaging on 'wait'. All I have to get over to enjoy FFX2 is the fact that there is no serious storyline and that I am living in a world that is still brightly colored and one of the most rediculously gaudy ever. The sad fact remains that many of the costumes that represent the jobs in FFX2 are better designed than what everyone around them is wearing. Yeah, the're slutty, often, but then they do live in a tropical paradise and there's not a lot of reason to dress up (and no one else does). Did I mention FFX2 uses a job syste? Job system + tactic angel = usually the win. The only FF game that has so far failed at this equation is FFTA and thats largely to do with how to learn stuff rather than the job system being inherently bad. The ATB in FFX2 is severely engaging. I would say this is both its greatest benefit and one of the reasons I will not likely be playing it again. Its fun, but it just drains me after a while. I cannot sustain that enegy. The minigame is aweful. You manage blitzball... what a step backwards. The plot sucks. Hey, the world sucks. No change. Vegnagun may be the most uninspired end boss of all time, but he is actually harder than Sin, and more creatively named... so yeah. Its not as bad as people say it is. Most of the people here are just mad that they didn't to see Auron in a miniskirt.

		Booff7 - "Even if we could fly, the Ifrit's playing with fire and I'd rather not get burned" -Balthier TALK - What does Bahamut have that I don't >.<? {{{time}}}
		thx for the feedback everyone. I'll probably pick it up try it at some point. While you've pretty much all said that the story is crap, is it crappy enough that it actually ruins what happens in FFX? The whole Tidus coming back thing doesn't sit well with me. It's like FFVII AC, it was cool but bringing back Rufus and Sephiroth back totally ruined their dramatic deaths. Maybe it's just me, I hate it when characters die dramatically and then you find out they escaped at the last second or were brought back to life (strangely you'd think based off that I would have hated ffiv but for some reason it didn't bother as much there.) Anyway, thanks again everyone, maybe i'll rent it for a little while and buy it if I like it. Haha, guess I should have thought of that in the first place, =).

		zerobandwidth TALK - 15:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
		I enjoyed FFX-2 a lot, because I really didn't expect that much out of it. It was the first direct sequel they'd ever tried with an FF game, it was clearly fanboy-service, and it wasn't even priced as high as a game in the "main" series. I think people just wanted it to be an improvement on FFX when SE just wasn't aiming that high. Think of it this way: If FFX wanted to be a long, dramatic anime series, FFX-2 would be the OVA where all the characters get goofy and go to the hot springs to relax. Enjoy the quirky battle system, enjoy the art of its graphics, enjoy the fanservice, and stop maligning all the people who put hard work into putting out this game. It's just a game, folks.

		Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 20:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
		I'll answer your points one by one. The story is like Square's version of "Calvinball." They just make it up as they go along. Bringing Tidus back to life is the last thing I want to do. The gameplay kicks ass. This is the best system in the whole series. You can enjoy the game if you can manage swallowing everything else about it. Yep, there's lots of singing in this game. If you want to try and gulp this game down, I suggest pressing the mute button on your remote control. It makes the game that much less agrevating. I feel sorry for Paine, that she has to be surrounded by sluts.

		BlueHighwind Q? TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:
		Hey, Calvinball is awesome. Don't degrade the sacred sport of Lord Calvin, and His Holiness Hobbes by comparing it to FFX-2.

		Crazyswordsman - Final Fantasy VI, because Drake says he wants to link to FF7 every day, which is bad because that game is so far inferior to FF6. TALK - 22:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
		True, but Calvinball is meant to be random. Stories aren't.

		Mymindislost - You made me forget my dreams when I woke up to you sleeping... TALK - 22:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
		Unless, of course, we were talking about insanely artsy, Dadaist stories. Hey! Maybe that's it! FFX-2 is just too artsy and esoteric for philistines like us to understand! It's a work of artistic GENIUS! No, it's not. :P

		BlueHighwind Q? TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:
		I think that FFX-2 perfectly follows the Hemmingway style for stories. No concievable plot or interesting characters... check. The storyline being abandoned for several chapters on a pointless tangent that goes nowhere... check. Annoying females and sterotypical males... check. Anti-semtism... check. Yup, Hemmingway is one terrible author.

		Roman King - I'm maybe the best thing you've ever seen... TALK - Death time.
		FFX-2 might be the worst Final Fantasy created... I think I only got to chapter 2 before giving up on this crap. But I do like Rikku's new outfit, that's about it though.

		Yellowmoogle - The fear for blood tends to create a fear for flesh TALK - Go look at a clock. {{{time}}}
		I always thought that 10-2 was too peppy for a FF game but now I'm in love with Paine. =)

		james.himbo - I took the Polaroid down in my room. I'm pretty sure you have a new boyfriend TALK - </3 20:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
		I'm one of the few people who actually enjoyed X-2. I completely and totally enjoyed it. 1. I quite enjoyed X-2's story. X had such a depressing storyline that I was relieved to be thrown into an easy-going, carefree game. I would definitely say that the game is geared more towards young girls (and me, lol). But I'm sure other people can enjoy it to. Just be forewarned, its very light-hearted and all that. They make jokes and goof off and...all the things normal girls their age would do. And with people who have a problem with the attitude change in Yuna...She worked her whole life trying to master her craft so she could give her life to defeat Sin. She was able to defeat Sin forever without sacrificing herself, and if I were in that position, I would be living it up! =D 2. Yes, reuniting Tidus and Yuna at the end is optional. There are actually three separate endings (Good, Great, and Perfect if I remember correctly). A big part of the storyline is Yuna missing Tidus and trying to find him because she found a sphere recording with a man that looks like him. And if you choose to activate the ending that brings Tidus back, it is explained how and why he is allowed to come back. 3. I enjoyed X-2's battle system. It's probably my favorite of all the games. I loved the garment grids and being able to change jobs in the middle of a battle. That way, you can start strong with a party full of warriors, but if your health starts to drop, you can have someone switch to white mage and cure the party before switching back and continuing to kick ass. 4. There's a song in the opening (real Emotion) and then towards the end of the game, there's a song that Yuna sings on the Thunderplane (1000 Words). Besides that, there is occasional humming and Yuna going 'lala-lalalalala-lalalalalala' and things like that, especially when you are using the songstress dressphere. 5. Going against the grain, I actually didn't care for Paine. I am a HUGE fan of Lulu, and I just felt like Paine was a rip-off of Lulu. She's the 'goth' girl with pale skin and leather and red eyes. She has the same attitude as Lulu too, only I found it obnoxious on her because I would have loved to see Lulu in the party instead of Paine (with a new outfit, of course). EDIT:btw, just going back and editing my entry to that I'M the one who posted it. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in, lol

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		Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - {{{time}}}
		I actually share the preference about Lulu as this pal over here does...It yould be comic to have a pregnant woman in the party XD. Anyways, that would make the story even more confusing and stupid :S

		james.himbo - I took the Polaroid down in my room. I'm pretty sure you have a new boyfriend TALK - </3 16:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
		Well I wasn't suggesting that they make her pregnant and then put her in the party. I could have done without Lulu and Wakka shacking up and making a baby.