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FFVII Cait Sith Battle
Technobliterator
FFVII Cait Sith Battle

Okay, things that I think

  • List of users with access to the bot. Don't give password to everyone. If we need to change the password then we have a specific list of people who need to be informed.
  • "but sometimes they're a necessary evil" I don't think so. If there are 700 things to delete then you can go through those 700 things manually. It shouldn't even get to that point, and if we get there we should be discussing granting additional admin rights, not using bots. If it does get to that much then you aren't losing any time. Instead your deleting the things in a larger burst, but these are still the same deletions you'd have to have made anyway (and it would technically be faster since (A) you check less frequently, and finding the page takes time, and (B) you are on more of an auto-pilot, but not quite bot-mode auto-pilot.)

    If evidently no one has been checking AfSD, then that is obviously a bad time to use a bot. Anything could be in there. Using a bot to bring up the pages for deletion quicker but still requires user verification? Fine. But that's not reason to skip on checking dups and verifying valid reasons.
  • "Ad {{tl|None selected}} to uncatted images." Well that's not exactly fixing the problem. A license inherited from the template is not sufficient categorisation. We'd be better off also creating a {{need cat}} template. Though no categories is a sign of lack of a license, could we not test for verification of the available licenses instead?
  • "Enforce American English spelling" Nope, disagree. Not going to work. The wiki writes in US Eng, but the wiki also uses gameplay terms. How does the script discern when the article is presenting a gameplay term, such as an alternate name in an English version?
  • "Convert HTML tables to wikitables throughout the mainspace." I would say if someone is writing a HTML table in the mainspace, they probably want to use a HTML table, but we don't need them in mainspace. With that said, when has this ever happened?
  • Against auto-archive, not nec. I'd prefer users manually managing this so they can use their mind. If we do it use it, then "official" talkspaces only. Which means avoid user talk and walk talk.
  • In regards to interwiki, alas. The FFWiki has a strong connections to other SE-related wikis, but not to our own alt-lang wikis. I love interwiki. I would suggest reaching out to the other wikis SysOps and requesting they allow IntangirBot to run interwiki scripts and flag IntangirBot as a bot (though the second part is optional). Anyway, it's like there will be that many edits except perhaps when it is first used. --Without reading the script I assume if we added [[fr:Page]] on an article, then the script would go to the French wiki and add the English interwiki, as well as adding the French interwiki to every other interwikid page?

Here I write a nice summary of my thoughts on using bots and where I think they are appropriate but I can't put one together right now. JBed (talk) 06:03, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Technobliterator
FFVII Cait Sith Battle

Yeah right, of course. So it searches alt-lang wikis for [en:[pagename]] then adds those pages to the English page name? Sounds inefficient. JBed (talk) 20:38, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

No. It checks every page for interwikis on ffwiki:en to links to other wikis, then checks the corrosponding pages on those wikis for links to other wikis that aren't linked to by ffwiki:en. e.g. if our Cloud Strife linked to but not, but did link to, then it would add to our Cloud Strife. In case of links to disambigs and other gray areas, it leaves a list for us humans to do by hand. C A T U S E 22:00, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
FFVII Cait Sith Battle
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