joeyaa from Wikia told me that we can get rid of blogspace. If you're wondering why I'm all for killing blogspace, you haven't been paying attention. My main beef is that some users seem unable to tell the difference between facebook and their blogspace at the Final Fantasy Wiki. Also, there are too many users whose comments may very well suit YouTube but hardly do so here. So I propose the deletion of blogspace from the Wiki. | |||
I will admit they are stupid, but they are completely optional, nobody is MAKING you read them. And it's not like they are actually hurting anything. I see no reason to remove them, if you dislike them, simply ignore them. Exdeath64 05:30, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
If you can take the time to find all of those blogs and link to them, you must not have very much of a life outside of Wikia; Heck, if you take the time to contact the STF, you brely have a life at all. Just my opinion though. A.J. two (Smashboards) 12:32, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
We've already discussed this before. In that earlier discussion, we pointed out blogs were simply another forum. We have the Blackjack for all that, and those are blocked from the Recent Changes. We were going to delete all the blogs, but people simply failed to contact Wikia and we forgot about it.
@A.J.: Fae has a girlfriend and a job. Just saying. ScatheMote 13:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
Well okay then, I didn't know that (about both things). Maybe it should get removed or maybe it shouldn't (I still say no), but if you want gone so bad, then you have to figure out how to remove it completely from the wiki yourselves, or go and ask the staff on central to get rid of it for you. 
14:19, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
Some blogs are actually pretty good. ...but I'm sitting on the fence. One question, though. If you get rid of all blogs, would that mean all previously created blogs would be lost forever? | |||
Scathe linked to the pertinent link. This matter has been discussed before. Blogspace is nothing more than funky forumspace. If we did proceed with baleeting blogspace everyone would be more than welcome to move their stuff into userspace or into a pertinent forum thread. @AJ: that you are incompetent and would take too long in finding stupid blogposts (with what the Recent blog posts option on the toolbar to the left and the very abundance of stupid blogposts) does not mean that I lack a life. You should think twice before posting. | |||
A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 20:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Yeah, I realized it after I had posted it. Thing is, it's still in the history even if it get erased. I am just a stupid kid, but that's just everyone else's opinion. As for the blogs, do teh staff on Central have to remove it themselve, or do the admins now have the power to remove since they've gotten the go-ahead (Meaning, the admins can now remove it like the Central Staff can)? | |||
Er, nobody has yet to give a reason to kill these things aside from the fact that they are "Stupid". Are they actually HURTING anything? I mean if they where being used to attack other users or where cluttering up the mainspace I would support them being removed, but there appears to be none of that. And from what I can see, a few users just dislike dealing with the stupidity of certain blogs, if you dislike said blogs, simply ignore them. I personally enjoy the use of mine (occasionally, anyone on here will tell you Finals are a bitch and they eat a lot of time) and would rather dislike it if the blog system was to simply dissipate because a few users can't simply ignore the ones they do not like. Exdeath64 23:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
I think people want to get rid of it because it clogs the recent changes and encourages off topic discussion, which is why The Waystone was eliminated. I don't really care what happens to them, though; I hardly ever look at them. | |||
Admins are already able to delete blog posts and comments. Feavyre is talking about moving the feature entirely - ie, preventing them from being created in the first place. | |||
While I can't say I support removing them entirely, they could certainly use some moderation. Although that brings up the issue of someone actually being willing to do so - I'm not even sure the forums here are moderated, and if so they seem to have a pretty loose leash. | |||
We used to have forum moderators, but they didn't have any extra powers, and I don't think they did much in terms of moderating. The admins here can delete threads when needed and block people, but that hardly ever happens, particularly since the deletion of the Waystone. | |||
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The largest difference of opinion seems to be perspective. Those against the blogs are claiming that afew good posts don't merit the feature as a whole; meanwhile, those for claim that a few bad posts don't merit the dissolution of the feature. As for me, while I can see merit in both sides, I tend to agree with Fae: everything I've seen in blogs is something that would have been in the user space before. Identifying these as "blogs" lends them some sort of greater officiality or relevance that they truly just lack. So while yes they don't hurt anyone, have you ever encountered someone worse off for electing to have an appendix safely removed. | |||
The thread was made to notify the community of an impending change, thus allowing people to chime in with their opinions, and to hopefully avoid the oncoming flood of "Hey, why can't I do X anymore?" There have been a lot of complaints before about how the staff just hand down judgements without asking the community, which is something we don't want. | |||
A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 02:46, June 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
You already asked the community once, and the majority agreed to get rid of blogs. What I'm saying is, if the community agrees with the admins, why do I still see the Blog button on anybody's user page? I think blogs are a good thing, but I won't be sad to see them go. It's like an aquaintance; you may or may not like them, but either waym you won't be too sad if they leave. | |||
A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 03:04, June 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
But they have had almost an entire year to do it. | |||
Delete them, most of the users who maintain these blogs rarely use them to say anything intelligent, and there is nothing stopping people who feel the need to keep us up to date on their lives from using their normal userpages. Too many people (they know who they are) treat this like some sort of social networking fansite than a Wiki. This would be a good step away from the former and towards the latter.
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Sorceror Nobody – A hated enemy of Cocoon Talk · Flan's Elbow Colosseum · MSPA Wiki · 13:28, June 7, 2010 (UTC) A fal'Cie? You mean me? Perish the thought... I am much more than much more than that! | |||
Just chipping in to reiterate my main point from the original discussion, which is that since the majority opinion towards blogs seems to be <Cloud>"Not interested..."</Cloud>, the fact that it seems to be impossible to remove blog posts from the RC means that we'd be better off without blogs altogether. Especially since this is a Wiki, whose primary purpose is not social networking. For more detail, read my posts in the original discussion.
On the other hand, among the piles of blogotrash one can dredge out a few rather good blogs. If complete removal of blogs also kills these, then we should not be so hasty to push the big delete button in the sky. We should ensure that ample warning is given for people to move anything they want to retain into userspace. It could be a problem for users on wikibreak at the time of announcement, but the precise logistics can be worked out later, right? | |||
HarpieSiren - "There's not a thing I don't cherish!" TALK - {{{time}}} - It's not heavy. It's... a memento | |||
Delete them, they're a distracting waste of space. There is a time and a place for pointless blogs, a wiki about the Final Fantasy series is not that place. Places like Livejournal.com exist for a reason. | |||
Excuse me, continuing a conversation... A.J.- The admins don't just do what they want and then listen to the Peanut Gallery; this isn't a dictatorship. Admins doing things like that would start a flame war consisting solely of attacks such as Man 1: Hey! I liked blogs! I wanted to keep them! Man 2: Shut up! The admins are admins, they do what they want! Man 1: Hey, that's not fair! See? | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 15:10, June 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I really have nothing against the blogs. They do not take up much space on the RC at all; all blog comments are compiled into a single RC entry that can be expanded, like the history of a single page. I think what makes blogs pointless as a whole is that you can just use userspace for the same purpose. Leave comments on the talkpage... and yeah. That way people would be more dissuaded from creating blogs with literally one line of text on them. Make a journal collection on userspace or something, not an infestation pit of mass unrelated blogs. I would be happy to help move entries on blogspace to userspace for large entries such as Jeppo's. | |||
I don't use them, but I don't see why that space has to go. Probably make some sort of restriction, if that's even possible. BLUER一番 15:17, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
Delete. These things are interfering with mainspace edits (in terms of recent edits), and as a result, they are hiding vandalism on the wiki. Besides, 99.99% of the time, the blogs are used for something random and pointless (Jeppo's are the other .01%) that SHOULD be use for Twitter. I'm sick of seeing posts like this, this, and this. | |||
They aren't all useless, but the blogs that are useful are overshadowed by the pointless ones. Instead,there should be a restriction so that the absoulutely pointless blogs would be removed, if it can be done. | |||
My two cents: I've used the blog feature twice, but it's nothing I'll miss. When I wrote my Sazh chat, I was admittedly confused as to where to put it: Forum? Userspace? Blogspace? I'd be happy to move it when Blogspaces are deleted; the wiki has enough space as it is for personal things. There is nothing I detest more than checking RC and it being flooded by "whoz da seksi?" forum posts and comments. And it's indicative of how far out of control this thing has gotten that these inane posts are more often than not the "page with the most editors in the last 3 days." It makes me lose faith in the people here/the education system/humanity. | |||
Deadlyslashsword - +You want me to go out there - dressed like this?+ TALK - 01:00, June 8, 2010 (UTC) - Are you mad?! | |||
Delete, because there is not a feasible use for them that can't be accomplished using the userspace or the forums. | |||
NëA TRANSMIT MESSAGE01:31, June 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Kill it with fire. Because this is a website documenting information about Final Fantasy series. Not some kind of soul market/dear diary~/twitter/facebook/myspace. We have blogspot/livejournal for this kind of stuff. And also because long-ass blog titles about AAAAA and who is hotter in the recent changes hurts my eyes. Add a few more keystrokes. | |||
Sorceror Nobody – The supreme nonentity Talk · Flan's Elbow Colosseum · MSPA Wiki · 10:41, June 8, 2010 (UTC) "I can detect matter down to one atom in a vacuum the size of the moon, and apparently, this guy doesn't exist" -- Foaly | |||
I just want to clarify that I'm not strictly speaking entirely opposed to blogs, but I do think that they're thoroughly unnecessary given Forumspace and Userspace. As such, I'm sort of passively rather than actively against them, if you know what I mean. "Against, but with neutral leanings", perhaps. Category: Clarification | |||
A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 13:35, June 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
@Silver: They already did this once, and they voted to get rid of them. They didn't have to start a new discussion and delay the inevitable; they could have just done what was agreed on six months ago and be done with it. If the new users (including me and you) got angry, then there's nothing that can be said, because it | |||
SilverCrono — 14:36, June 8, 2010 (UTC) "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid." | |||
Thank you for clarifying your post. Now I understand your point of view, and it makes considerable more sense now. But, just because I don't like blogs doesn't mean I tear posts apart; I was just doing that earlier because you were just spitting out stupid things. This actually makes sense. Just because I am against blogs doesn't make me a troll, and it doesn't to anybody else either. Hating blogs is a point of view, not a state of mind. | |||
A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 14:48, June 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Okay, and I see your point of view as well (Well, not your point of view, but why you kept picking on my posts). But <off-topic>how did we get to fighting through the Forum?</off-topic> | |||
Judge Balthier - Hamshanks! TALK - 19:27, June 8, 2010 (UTC) "Good sense? Me? You have no idea who you're dealing with..." | |||
 I think everyone of you people are making a big deal out of nothing. Honestly, is it really that annoying for you to have to delete? If it's that bothersome, don't read it. Also, the blogs only take up one spot. Once again making a big deal out of nothing. Srsly. "This is the Final Fantasy Wiki(Srs bsnss) anything that doesn't relate to Final Fantasy should be removed". If that's the case you should remove all the small things that are in our userpages and talk pages. Then we would be like Wikipedians....douchefaces | |||
In my opinion, the good blogs that get lots of constructive comments outweigh the subpar blogs that get trolled. We should just have tighter restrictions on blogs. The admins that complain should be made the ones to enforce them :P | |||
Thanks for the reference! And if anyone cares, I am essentially saying "Screw This" and will either post bloglike entries on my userpage, or simply use the Mother wiki for it, has the Mother wiki admin, I can assure you all that the blog system will remain intact over there. If you want, feel free to use the feature even if you are not a regular editor. You can always use the shoutbox to advertise your blog posts, or simply post them on your talk pages or something...Or if you are feeling slighted and REALLY want to piss off Fae, just stick them in the forums! (Kidding, kidding.) | |||
SilverCrono — 05:35, June 9, 2010 (UTC) "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former." | |||
so... The blogs are gone now? ...For good? | |||
For the foreseeable future. Wiki consensus is not forever.
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A.J. two (The Flashlight) - "Always Avoid Alliteration" TALK - "When life gives you cherries, make a bomb." 14:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
See, what did I tell you? It was obvious that they were going to get removed, since the majority of the people from last time voted against it, and the majority of that majority came back to vote against them a second time. Like I've been saying, there was no need to create this Forum when it was obvious what the outcome was going to be. You could tell that when everybody was going up against them on RoopdeeRoo's blog, it was obvious what was going to happen before this Forum was even concieved/created. | |||
Sorceror Nobody – The supreme nonentity Talk · Flan's Elbow Colosseum · MSPA Wiki · 15:10, June 9, 2010 (UTC) "I can detect matter down to one atom in a vacuum the size of the moon, and apparently, this guy doesn't exist" -- Foaly | |||
Okay, now this I do not agree with. Sure, I may not have been particularly pro-blogs. I never used them myself, and only actually even viewed them a few times, but this is, in my opinion, unacceptable. I seem to recall using the exact sentence "We should ensure that ample warning is given for people to move anything they want to retain into userspace". This clearly was not done, and I find that to be a thoroughly disappointing situation.
Sure, there was a lot of crap in the blogs, but there was plenty of good that is now permanently gone. It's too late now, but if I were the one orchestrating the removal, I would have given plenty of advance warning, locked the blogs (if possible, otherwise just ban the creation of new posts), and told people to move anything they want to keep into Forumspace or Userspace. To not give people that chance is highly unfair. To sum up, if this is the attitude with which things like this are treated, I hereby retract all of my former opposition to blogs. Obviously, doing so has no real effect, but it's a matter of principle. There's keeping the blogs in check, and then there's a total lack of consideration. The latter was chosen, and I think that it was definitely the wrong way to do things, and I'm sorry I was in any way a part of it. Not that I actually matter, of course, but still... Poor show, Fae. | |||
This has to be one of the sickest things I've ever seen happen on this wiki. You seem to make out that blogspace is so large in activity, that it is a problem. So you destroy it? We've discussed that the things in blogspace can work in people's userspaces and the forums. So, say for instance someone had a weekly blog. Let's pretend they used to host it in userspace, then they thought they'd use blogs since it was there, then they have to switch back. This is fine in theory. They don't deem it worth it to back-up their entries, they don't even know what the admins are going to decide yet, what would be the point? So they wait for the decision. Wake up in the morning and blogspace doesn't exist. They're missing a huge section in their weekly blog.
So no one's probably done this. I assume there's people that regularly used the blog to, y'know, blog. They're missing their blogs, which they would have been fine to archive somewhere else if they knew blogspace was definitely going down.
This stuff can go in forums and userspace... but people have just lost at least a year's worth of what they wished to have keep. Announcing a deletion of blogspace in the site announcement, notifying people who have contributed a great deal to blogspace, and waiting two weeks, heck, even one is enough. But you didn't. I don't know what happened, but someone gave Wikia the go ahead.
I'm sorry, but this was not how it should have been. To see my username down there makes it look like I was in support of this massacre. We weren't supposed to remove two namespaces worth of content, we were only supposed to remove two namespace names (User blog, User blog comment (I'm sure there were talkspaces but they weren't used)), the content of which could be integrated into other namespaces.
When I saw a userblog I was watching appear in my email, I thought "wow", after all this time someone has commented on it. Doesn't exist? Happens all the time through Wikia emails. Deleted? Oh, ffwiki must have removed blogs. No site announcements. I find this forum topic, happy they actually did something about it after all this time (because the wiki doing nothing is what the wiki is best at), look through the comments and read down as the discussion goes on, creeping up to this current date, and apparently there was a sudden deletion. Where was the forethought? 88.108.92.208 15:59, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Now the blogspaces are gone, and now I feel guilt. Why? Because I've realized that blogs that are worth reading are gone. There wasn't even an advanced notice. You know, one of those that say things like "Final Fantasy XIII is now open to editing" or "The Wiki will be going under maintenance tonight". None. I personally hated blogs that were pointless and consisting of one sentence and lacking any detail, but it was still entertaining to see the ones that weren't (Jeppo's, for example.) I didn't use the blogs feature mainly because I already have a blog and Twitter, but really, couldn't there have been a better way. This blog banning and deleting is equal to a hostile takeover. This is NOT how this problem should have been fixed. Way to fuck things up, Fae. | |||
So, since I know that everyone is going to vote against it (Like last time), I will make a vote tally and put everyone's name on it that has said something in this Forum, the old Forum, and the New blog that started this re-debate (In order). Note that names may will be repeated, and some will be stuck out when I find that they might have changed their vote mid-discussion. Also, this is what I belive from reading that everyone has said; if you don't agree with it - and I know you will definately not - then you don't even have to say anything; I know that you won't, and I know that you will secretly hate me deep down inside A.J. two (Smashboards) 13:20, June 8, 2010 (UTC):
Votes From Old Forum
Votes For Blogs
- Kuzlalala
- Wee187
Votes Against Blogs
- Hecko X*
- Diablocon*
- 8bit BlackMage*
- Sorceror Nobody
- BlueHighwind
- ILHI
- Bek The Conqueror
Votes From This Forum
Votes For Blogs
Votes Against Blogs
- Faethin*
- SilverCrono
- Drake Clawfang
- HenryAcores
- Sorceror Nobody (sort of passively against)
- HarpieSiren
- SSFF6B
- DeadlySlashSword
- NeloAngelo
- SilverDragon28
- 8bit
Comments
Why was the Neutral section taken away? | |||
Judge Balthier - Hamshanks! TALK - 19:40, June 8, 2010 (UTC) "Nothing couldn't be further from my mind. Should I swear by your sword or some such?" | |||
| Maybe because being neutral does nothing but prolong things? | |||
How about another column? The people who just want to see this arguement die. It's obviouse the anti-blog people have won, so what's the point of this futher shout fest? | |||
No, the neutral just made us aware that actually a lot more people took notice of this thing. Anyway, it's too late for that! XD | |||