Faethin, 8-Bit and myself have worked on this idea a bit over the last few days. Simply put, the Award system will be coming back. The six new Templates can be seen here:
Category:Award Templates. The Awards are categorized as follows:
Now, this is the system we're looking at:
My vision is for the Award system to encourage users to edit the Wiki mainspace and not just use the site as a social site sticking to talk pages and the forums/DNC. The Awards are to let users know their hard work is recognized and appreciated. We're a Wiki, so when people take it upon themselves to work to improve our content, it's important they know that we notice their efforts. We can all agree that, when we work hard on the Wiki here, it's a nice feeling when someone acknowledges our work. Please give your feedback on the planned rules and regulations for this now. Hopefully, if we can get everyone on board and agree on how things will be run, Award nominations can begin in November. | |||
I support the the award templates. I think it is a good goal for users to work to, and it gives recognition to those who work. But I do have a few questions/suggestions:
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No, the Staff cannot win awards.
"How would the nomination process go? Would it be "I nominate Username for Thief" or "I nominate username" and the staff decides what category the nomination would go to? It could get confusing to choose if one user gets nominated for multiple awards. Additionally, it may be difficult to choose winners if everyone's in a different category." You just say who you nominate for which Award. If someone else wishes to nominate the same person for a different Award, they can do so. In such a case, we can organize it like this:
"I'd say the Staff chooses the user to acquire the award. Since the users are nominating, it's just odd to let them pick the winners as well." This is how it would go, yes. "Will there be a mainspace editcount restriction on nomination?" At the moment, I would say no, it's too early to tell if this will be needed. But if it turns out this is a problem, a restriction will certainly be considered. | |||
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Edit Conflict: Ah, I see. Additionally, would Staff be able to nominate? And @TZ: As Drake explained above, users can get multiple nominations for different awards. | |||
Staff nominating, not sure. There could obviously be a bias if the Staff nominated and awarded. It would depend on who Faeth and 8-Bit decide gives out the Awards I guess. If the Admins give them out, I'd say its okay for Mods to nominate
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8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 20:42, October 13, 2009 (UTC) | |||
The actual page is set up at Final Fantasy Wiki:Merit Award, but Drake has given much more information here than is posted there. I'm sorry that I created that page yesterday and didn't really wave it around. However, an important stipulation of that page is that there will be no voting; there is a nomination by one user, and this is it. I also think instead of saying "User A should have the Black Mage award", the nominator should specifically point out what the nominee has done, such as "Added English translations of Dissidia attacks and items to list and character pages." The type of award given out would take after that description. Also, staff members can nominate, though I do not think admins will elect to. We can also alter the rules that I have placed, depending on what users discuss here. | |||
I agree with everything that's been said and done except for users not being allowed to self-nominate. I don't see why a hard-working user would not be able to ask for the due credit. | |||
Alright then, no problem.
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Will users be able to win awards more then once? I think I have a good method: Once a user has one, they may not win anouther award for the next month. Also, say somone wins the Black Mage award. The user may NOT win that award again, unless they own all six. When that happends, they may re-win those six awards, which would then be Black Wizard, White Wizard, etc. IF they win all 6 of the upgraded awards, AND win ANOUTHER, I believe they should be insatnly promoted to staff member. | |||
"Will users be able to win awards more then once?"
*facepalm* Are people even reading my posts, or just asking questions without looking? Drake Clawfang 02:05, October 16, 2009 (UTC) | |||
I think the fact that I'm a dumbass has been established. Sorry. | |||
TheBlueDragoon - Sins of time eternal; I will cast them away TALK - TheBlueDragoon 04:32, October 16, 2009 (UTC) | |||
I like this idea. I haven't been around long enough to contribute anything, but giving the users who do make the wiki what it is deserve their recognition acknowledged and I do think this is a good way to do it. | |||
Plenair Malevolence Celestial - The Final Flight is done... I ‘am leaving... TALK - ”It’s a Different world out there...” | |||
Hm... Why cant Normal Users Vote... only admins... But YAY! for Award's! Oscar's? Can Trusted Normal users vote... Im guessing not. but please awnser. | |||
"Trusted normal users", what are you talking about?
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It's crap, son. | |||
Supporting everything, except for maybe the length of the period before a user can be nominated again. It seems to be excessively long, and it's quite possible that a user may contribute extraordinarily before that time period has elapsed. Perhaps cut it down to 6-8 months?
Another thing is, can we have among the Staff who will be managing the page members from all the main timezones? I've noticed that users from other time zones can be unaware of the activity of users in my timezone, so this might make it easier to gauge a user's activity accurately. | |||
Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 01:42, October 18, 2009 (UTC) | |||
The procedures seem to be overly bureaucratic and elitist, but whatever your boats. Hope these live longer than 2 days. | |||
To be fair Henry, the last time we just "created" the templates with no procedures, it was a trainwreck.
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A quick summation of issues brought up on the IRC:
Additionally:
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Ninja of Wind - Just as the hero appears at the last second to save the day, the ninja quietly vanishes when the job is done. TALK - All the time ; P | |||
I support the Merit Awards idea, but I see a few problems with it. What happens when you start to run out of users that deserve the awards for their work ethic around the wiki? Are you just going to give it to another user that it doesn't really mean anything to. We shouln't have the awards given out at set time periods, but we should just look out for those people who deserve it. Also, there may be users who don't have much to do. Because I became a user at the end of February this year and have found very little to fix or edit. I made a few minor addjustments, along with some walkthrough writing, and some work in the DNC, but I don't think there will be any real editing work to be done until FF13 comes out. And even then, I won't be editing because of my lack of a PS3. I guess my point is that the wiki is getting to the point where we have fixed all of the major errors, and are just trying to scrape out the few minor errors left. If that is true, then the Merit Award system might even be unnecisary. | |||
We gave out the awards randomly last time. Those were a massive failure, lasting no more than two days. This structure may keep the awards alive longer. And also, it will be some time before we run out of editors to nominate, since the work on the wiki is never over. There is always something that a user can do (I can name 15 things that someone could do off the top of my head). Additionally, when FFXIII comes out, even more users will help and add info. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 20:45, October 18, 2009 (UTC) | |||
There is always something to do. There are just users who chose not to complete those tasks. I myself am a prime example. I could list several things I thought about doing but am too lazy to do:
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I believe I said this once before, but it bears repeating: whenever a user says there's no work to do here, it means there's no work to do here that they're interested in.
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On the IRC, we talked about how Yuan's earlier comment elicited no response, so I'm bumping up this forum. Is the entire staff voting on the nominees? Is just a select few of the staff on a "Award Committee". Or both staff and normal users who give up their privileges to win and nominate select winners? | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 02:03, October 25, 2009 (UTC) | |||
So far the staff members that have been interested in overseeing this are Drake and Yuan. If any other staff member is interested, get in touch on IRC or perhaps here! We obviously can't force staff who don't care to take part in this project. | |||
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The original system was one I actually preferred, where Staff gave out the awards whenever they noticed a user doing a good job. It bombed horribly, no one could agree on how the system should work.
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