The current policy on naming of list pages is that we go for one of two things: either a page with a "List of" name formatted "List of [game] [subject]" (Final Fantasy VI weapons), or a subpage of the game's page (Final Fantasy X allusions). I'm proposing slightly changing the second of these from a subpage to a name formatted "[subject] in/of [game]" (so Allusions in Final Fantasy X), and to no longer consider it a type of list (though I don't know a better term for it). This would be for anything that currently exists as a subpage, "Concept art of Final Fantasy X", "Translations in Final Fantasy X", "Timeline in Final Fantasy VII", but I also think this can be used for general extensions from huge game pages and treating them less rigidly. I know Kelt wants to do a "Development of Final Fantasy VII" page, which I agree with, but it opens up more possibilities, as we already have pages like "Final Fantasy VII Transportation" which would be better as "Transportation in Final Fantasy VII". As for how to know when to use this format as opposed to using "List of" page names? Because the topic of a list of page is a list of things found within the game, while the topic of one of these is the detailing of a specific aspect of the game. Why is "Timeline in Final Fantasy X" better than "Final Fantasy X timeline" or "Timeline (Final Fantasy X)"? Because the fact that the page is a timeline is more core to the subject of the article than the fact it's from Final Fantasy X, but the fact it's from Final Fantasy X is still core to the subject of the page and not simply used to disambiguate it from other pages named "Timeline" - its subject is that aspect of the game. Thoughts? | |||
The allusions, wallpaper, et al pages aren't considered lists. They do share a quality with list pages; that is that the page is not named after a term from the game itself. When something is a term from the game then we can name the page that (and tag it for disambiguation), but for these we have to have the title unambiguously explain the contents.
So, first thing's first, when is it okay to use a subpage: When the content would otherwise be on the parent page but the information is too extensive or complex to fit nicely on that page. So immediately, Translations, Wallpaper, and Timeline all should not be subpages.
Although the article layout guide for games needs a revamp, I would say version differences and allusions should be part of a release article, and only subpages if content is increase. I think the ACP may have criteria for both of these. I'm fine with this being subpages although it's not the only road we can go down.
The timelines aren't bound by a game so a subpage is a bad idea for that. We'd be going for things like "Timeline of the Final Fantasy VII series".
For everything else, some form of "subject in/of/for release" would be fine. I don't want any pages to be "release subject". JBed (talk) 05:46, January 31, 2016 (UTC)
- Personally, I would prefer to have no subpages at all that do not exist solely as an extension of the page they're from. As in, the criteria would be not just about whether it's information that would otherwise be on the parent page were the parent page not big enough, but also if it's not a notable subject on its own. So gallery subpage, gameplay subpage, Aeon stat growth subpage, they've been split off because the main page is too big, but they don't exist as anything other than a split off page. But the development of a game, the timeline of a game, the translations in a game, the concept art from a game, these work fine as notable subjects in themselves, and it's because they're big enough that they've been given their own page, not solely split off from the main page because it was too big.
- Version differences and allusions though, that's tricky whether it fits either category, but I'm tempted to say "no" to making them subpages. When I push the game page layout redesign along with the page rewrites, it's something to think about.
- And yes, I don't want "[release] [subject]" either (hey J&D wiki people, if you're reading this, I'm still mad at you for that).-- Technobliterator TC 02:13, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
- What could be tricky about version differences are allusions pages that what they are going to be subpages to... The FFVII allusions are in the Compilation of FF7/Allusions name because...well when I created it a long time ago I struggled to separate them all between different releases. "Allusions in the Final Fantasy VII series" would probably be better. If the 3D versions of FFIII and FFIV ever get their own articles, having version differences as a subpage is not so straightforward anymore either, although maybe the 2D and 3D versions shouldn't share a version differences page anyway.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:16, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
- I would say the version differences page should still be a subpage of the original game's page, as opposed to the 3D remake's page, in those cases, since it's a list of version differences compared to the original. Really, it depends on if we want to say that "version differences about x game" and "allusions found in x game" are important enough topics that we'd otherwise give them articles. I would normally say "no", and so we'd stick to subpages for those two. Really, I'm undecided, but I don't htink anyone will oppose changing to the other title type for the other pages anyway. Sounds like another big bot job...-- Technobliterator TC 00:37, February 6, 2016 (UTC)
- What could be tricky about version differences are allusions pages that what they are going to be subpages to... The FFVII allusions are in the Compilation of FF7/Allusions name because...well when I created it a long time ago I struggled to separate them all between different releases. "Allusions in the Final Fantasy VII series" would probably be better. If the 3D versions of FFIII and FFIV ever get their own articles, having version differences as a subpage is not so straightforward anymore either, although maybe the 2D and 3D versions shouldn't share a version differences page anyway.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 16:16, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
Coming back to this later, should probably close it. Anyway, I've talked to Wikia's SEO team, and what they've said is that whatever name we go for, it won't drastically hurt or improve performance of the pages since the titles are so similar. What they did say was that a standardisation was best, and that it's often best for the most important . Anyway, I'm going with "[subject] in/of [game]" for pages on aspects of a game (timeline, translations, wallpapers), and "List of [game] [subject]" for content/objectives within a game. Moving can start if there are no objections, and this'd be a great time to test those new bot scripts.-- Technobliterator TC 16:32, March 26, 2016 (UTC)