Master Conjurer — (talk) 04:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Wikipedia has a program in place called Adopt-a-User, in which more experienced users "adopt" less experienced and new users and mentor them in the ways of markup, policy, and constructive edits.. I think we could prevent a lot of mistakes by newer users by putting a similar program in place and linking to it in the welcome template. | |||
{{{Dibs on Bluehighwind. I shall be your loyal servent till the end of exsistance, please adopt me, im cute and huggable.}}} | |||
This seems like a good idea, going with our push for more mainspace edits. What would we deem an "experienced" user? | |||
Master Conjurer — (talk) 04:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Wikipedia set a lower limit of 500 edits and forbids any previously blocked users from taking part. It seems to have worked. | |||
SilverSummoner - Believe it or not, I've been stalking your talk page all these times... O_O Liek srsly TALK - 04:51, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Seems like an interesting idea, though... the criterias for adopters (copy-paste-ed from wikipedia): The following guidelines have been drawn up:
Also it should be noted:
I don't know with you guys, but it sounds like some kind of game to me, though.. =D | |||
Make it 500 or more mainspace/image edits (30%+ of total, please). Have them set a good example.
Oh, and I volunteer if this goes ahead. ^_^ | |||
Master Conjurer — (talk) 05:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Ouch. Kick me out of my own idea, will ya. I don't think a percent has anything to do with the mass of one's contributions. I may spend a lot of time on other spaces, but I know what I'm doing and have done valuable things in the mainspace. Besides, it's easier to see the total editcount of a user. | |||
SilverSummoner - Believe it or not, I've been stalking your talk page all these times... O_O Liek srsly TALK - 04:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
changed. I personally like this idea and I will volunteer as well. =D But we need to bring this up to Ser Diablocon and other staffs first. ^^ | |||
Conjurer: I suggest you read this, then. </shameless plug>
Edit: @MT: Blue is out. He's had several blocks. | |||
Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 05:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright. | |||
Surprisingly, I meet all the criteria. Ooh! I wanna be an adopter, I volunteer!! If Diablo allow this, that is... | |||
Master Conjurer — (talk) 05:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Honestly, I've shown plenty of new users how to follow the policies and use difficult markup already. I'd bet there's a reason Wikipedia wasn't strict about it. | |||
I suggested the percentage and mainspace/image edit counts because of our recent push for more constructive editing. Thus, I feel that those who fit that criteria could better show newbies what we would like them to be doing on the wiki.
It's easy to see one's contributions: Special:Editcount. I've checked yours, and say what you will, 42 mainspace edits out of 671...is still 42 out of 671. Edit: The 500 limit on Wikipedia is a bit hazy. Having a mainspace limit was discussed, but I don't know if it was implemented. | |||
BlueHighwind Q? 12:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC) TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ: | |||
Do I look like I want to have any children here? No. Anybody can come to my Talk Page for any help they want, but I'm not letting any little shorties into my house. | |||
I'd like to adopt a particular user, but he seems fine by himself...I wonder if we could have some kind of pairing-up system for those who are interested, but cannot find any? | |||
Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 15:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Well, the motto above works for something. I volunteer ^_^ | |||
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I think its a great idea and since i meet all the criteria, i would like to be an adopter - | |||
I've never liked adopting systems. They hardly work and the adopters usually don't do much. An editor should be editing and not monitoring another user TBH. Monitoring other users should only be done when most of their additions to articles suck, and I've had to do it a few times.
But if we must, edit counts and mainspace percentage does not equal a user's contribution. I could contribute 10000 edits, but still contribute 90000 to other namespaces. In fact, a lot of my contributions to other namespaces aren't for lolz, they actually relate to the mainspace and the wiki. My talkpage edits are close to my user talkpage edits. Very abnormal in almost every user here.
A preferred criteria would be: Only moderators are allowed to adopt. Our moderators make up most of the recognisable team. And you won't get users who think they're experienced enough adopting. ILHI 16:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Henryacores - "É que esta noite vou lançar ao mar/A bruma que houver em mim./Vou beber e cantar este luar/vou dançar até ao fim." TALK - 16:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Being a Mod does not represent skill and experience, nor availability as well. <sarcasm>Can't you be more exclusive?</sarcasm>. I think that 300 mainspace edits are too few to consider one "experienced" - we're talking about helping other people here, not just hang around and\or boss. I can bet that a lot of the ones joining this are thinking that they are going to have a puppet to control and the ones that wish to be adopted are just going to slack off and wait for their "godparents" to tell them what to do. This is wrong, and that is why I think that people who have been here for more than 10 months - 1 year, or have worked hard and in different things should apply. | |||
8bit BlackMage - Beyond the Sky TALK - Why do chemists call helium, curium, and barium 'the medical elements'? Because, if you can't 'helium' or 'curium', you... um... ._.; - 21:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Can't we just do this informally? If veteran users here want to befriend another user and give them advice, why do we need an official program to go ahead with it? I'm not saying the idea is faulty, but I'm sure many potential adoptees will do this mainly to be associated with a more distinguished user. Why can't you assist multiple people when the time presents itself? The people who would be "eligible" for this system probably are extremely helpful to others anyway. Of course, if this goes go through, there's probably not much harm in it, other than people fighting over what the rules will be. Users, if you want help with something, ask someone you trust; there are plenty of friendly editors here. You don't need to be shackled together with formal guidelines if you need a push in the right direction. | |||
^^First paragraph. Plus, this wiki's not Wikipedia. This wiki is small, where everyone knows each other. @HA: Only Mods because we roughly have 12 active, and the amount of users who need adopting is probably less. But then they don't need adopting, do they? ILHI 21:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
1stclasswarrior - Meus vita , meus diligo , meus lily of sanctimonia... TALK - 21:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
Why not just continue as we are? I help people as much as I can. I always greet new members while I am online. Why change policy when it makes no difference to people who in a way, do that anyway? If you do do this though, cont me in. I'll help people. | |||
Ha! 1st, you're more likely to be an adoptee than an adopter. Adopting users is helping them edit the mainspace firstly, as well as other queries the user has about how wiki works. ILHI 21:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)~
1stclasswarrior - Meus vita , meus diligo , meus lily of sanctimonia... TALK - 21:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
True, I do st least, help when asked. | |||
Being a Mod does not represent skill and experience Although there are some very dedicated contributors who aren't part of the staff, being a Mod does mean that we are skilled and experienced. Well, for most of us it does. That's the reason why we were given rollback rights because the Admin(s) thought that we were trustworthy and we were dedicated to the wiki and capable of helping to run the wiki. Also Someone can be here for a whole year and not have done anything to contribute to the wiki. That shouldn't matter.I would say 500 edits (mainspace) and over 6 months here at the wiki. And count me in if we decide to do this ;} | |||
"Adopting" a user in a non-Wikipedia-like environment such as this is close to being bias in practice. Not unless the boss admin is actually training a user so that said user becomes an administrator to replace the boss admin, which I doubt will be happening here in the near future >;3 | |||
I think that an official Adoption policy won't work on similar grounds that |LH| provided. If it were made official it would be inherently selective keeping those who can help not being able to help (citing Conjurer on his user name changes). As it is it seems to be fine. However if there are those who do want to be helpful more directly to other users, a usergroup could be established for this expressed purpose. | |||
Ooh! I want to be adopted! I'm nice and I don't bite! So how are we gonna do the matchmaking/pairing between adopters and adoptees? Are we going to set up some special list? | |||
For one thing, I believe the boss admins here have no time to adopt, mentor or pet users. It had the vibe of a "day-care", which in the situation that is this wiki, is not cute at all >;3 Mainspace schmainspace - if anyone cared to help, they would read the Help section - which should have covered all that an "Adopt-a-user" program would >;3 | |||
Master Conjurer — (talk) 06:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
@Violetmage: I doubt that this will ever actually happen, but you can always just ask someone how to do something. If you can get somebody to help you with a bunch of things, it's pretty much the same as being "adopted," anyway. | |||
Thanks Master Conjurer. I'll have to ask peps about editing help. | |||
umm this doesnt look like a good idea, i mean id like to people to help me with this kind of stuff but to me it seems like their would be to many problems. | |||