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Don't get me wrong, I know the wiki has had numerous opportunities to give me the right but haven't in the past.

But currently I'm working on editing the wiki's design which requires admin rights to edit directly. Bluestar pretty much became admin for his CSS and JS skills alone. So it's not that outlandish of an idea.

But I'm not requesting becoming an admin. Just the rights. This would mean I can edit the CSS pages. You may ask "Why can't I just ask admins to edit the CSS pages?" --Because I notice little details to change here and there and I don't want to have to keep requesting someone to change it but I still want them fixed as quick as possible.

If I had the rights:

  • I wouldn't be added to the staff page.
  • I would never delete a page, I would still use SD.
  • I would never rollback edits, I would still use undo.
  • I would never move an image, I would still request it.
  • I would never protect a page.
  • I would never edit the MediaWiki pages other than CSS.
  • I would never edit the JS pages... if I needed someone to change them I would still request that. (although you can debate this if you want, it would probably be useful for me to be able to edit them but I don't think there would be any significant reason I would need to edit it myself)
  • I would never make major changes to anything without first discussing it.
  • I would never make wiki-wide changes without testing it first.
  • I would never promote a user.
  • I would never edit a protected page.
  • I would still only the JBed account as I always do: Only when I need it. I'd still editing as an anon when I don't need the rights.
  • My rights can still be removed if I break any of the above rules.
  • The rights would only be mine until I didn't need them anymore. And the wiki can decide when this is.
  • By the time I have given up the right I should have commented all the CSS so other admin's understand the changes and thus be more equipped to edit CSS themselves.

So? I want to help the wiki. I believe I am the most equipped to do it. This would be the easiest way to get it done. JBed (talk) 16:34, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

...Why not just start using ILHI again? As a mod account you would be more likely to receive admin rights on that account. Anyway, giving you and only you admin rights without being an admin would be unfair to the entire wiki, as suddenly, you would be the special one. Tia-LewiseDorky Face FF7.png 16:42, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
I don't care about admin rights, I want to help the wiki efficiently because I am the best person available to help the wiki. It's not about being fair and unfair to other users.
The wiki would be allowing me an extra right to help improve the wiki and clean it over. Because the wiki would trust me with this. JBed (talk) 16:46, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
I doubt being so self-centered about yourself will help you much, to be honest. We note that a lot. Tia-LewiseDorky Face FF7.png 16:48, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
Please look up the definition of self-centred before using it. I think "I don't care about admin rights, I want to help the wiki efficiently" is like... the opposite? But if you're problems lie with me saying I am the best person for the job--- will people stop labelling truthful comments as egotistical. It so happens that the statement is true.
Also, people's opinions of me does not matter. It's not about the rights, it's about helping the wiki. JBed (talk) 16:55, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

A user able and willing to do CSS quickly and to tweak it would be appreciated. If it is possible to give JBed the right to edit CSS pages without having the accompanying other Admin rights, I would support this. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:52, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe it is possible to edit user groups in Wikia. The closest we can get (I think) is giving me full-SysOp-rights, then trusting me to only use the rights you want me to (CSS) and then trusting bcrats (can SysOps change SysOps rights? I don't think so) to remove all rights if I step out of line. JBed (talk) 16:55, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Damn edit conflicts. What I meant was that you saying you were the best available person to help the Wiki was raising yourself up a fair amount, true or not. Yes, you're a valued contributor, I won't deny that, but I don't believe in singular users having special treatment. Not even admins get that, with the exception of protected userpages and such. Tia-LewiseDorky Face FF7.png 16:57, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Not even for the benefit of the wiki? I would be treated exactly the same as normal, I will just be given access to the site-wide CSS files for a likely-not-so-long period of time. It's a less time consuming way of adding new CSS, which puts less pressure on admins who are editing something they don't fully understand, and removes effort (and that feeling you get when you have to keep asking someone to take time out of what they are doing to do something else) that it takes on repeatedly having to ask admins, in the quickest space of time. JBed (talk) 17:30, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Since it seems like this would help efficiency a lot, I support temporary rights. --Shockstorm (talk) 17:40, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

I am serious about this request and would like other people's input. If I don't get anything I will just throw it into a vote and if there are more users for this change then I will take it to a bcrat. JBed (talk) 17:00, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

I still think the best option is importing CSS. Then you don't have to be made an admin (which I'm ambivalent about) but you can still edit the CSS to your heart's content. C A T U S E 17:53, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
Here are my thoughts on that idea:
  1. I dislike importing on CSS. Something feels wrong about it. Admittedly, there are times we have to. It's what happens when we only have access to CSS and not to the HTML source.
  2. It would not allow me to edit existing CSS, unless the wiki were to store the entire wiki's CSS into my userspace.
  3. I don't even think bcrats can edit another user's personal CSS pages. That being said, I'm not sure it counts as a personal CSS page unless it is common.css, wikia.css, monobook.css, and global.css. I should check that.
  4. Storing it in my userspace feels more destructive to me.
So it is a resolve, but not exactly one of convenience (storing all CSS in my userspace, other admins having to edit my CSS) -- unless the wiki is willing to make me the sole CSS coder. If people think it's a better idea then I would accept. JBed (talk) 18:01, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain sysops and above can edit another's CSS files. But if it ends in CSS it's can't be edited by any old user (I can't edit meow.css, for example). Maybe CSS in another space like Projectspace would be different.
Ah well. C A T U S E 18:07, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

So yesterday I was editing [[Template:FFIX Enemies]] and thought to my self "dammit, this would be so much easier if the wiki used CSS". And today I was just editing the main page and thought "dammit, with boxes being stored at different pages, handling this stuff would be so much easer if we used CSS".

... JBed (talk) 17:56, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

TBH, a lot of things would be easier if every long-standing regular was an admin. But that'll probably never happen. C A T U S E 18:20, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, good news, specifically this tidbit from ##wikia after my curiosity got the better of me.

[10:24]	Catuse	I know staff has given rollback users on at least one wiki a few rights normally reserved for sysops; namely suppressing redirects, file moving, and getting rid of the rate limit
	was that just a one-off thing, or do they answer all requests to give rollback users more abilities like that?
[10:29]	RansomTime	Catuse: I think if the admins agree there should be no problem with that
	you'll have to ask on special:Contact
	Catuse	thanks

I guess if we go ahead and do this, this is also a nomination of JBed for rollback -- none of our current mods, including myself, have much use for editing MediaWiki pages. C A T U S E 18:33, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I suppose it wouldn't cause any serious damage since rollback users are trusted.
So is adding new user groups not at all possible on the Wikia? I imagine it might not be so they have the same user groups throughout Wikia, even if the rights change between them. 20:03, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, FFXIclopedia have special user groups, such as Junior SysOp. So instead, we might want the idea of installing a user group such as "curator"(maybe not?? I forget exactly what the term means) or "scripter" or "designer". 20:12, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Hmm. Didn't realize that. That definitely works too though. C A T U S E 20:24, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is helpful, but curator reminds me of custodians (seems like it's exclusive to the RS wikia, but it's an example of giving selected powers to non-sysops). --Shockstorm (talk) 21:12, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so the new proposal is to make a new user group called "designer", "developer", or something that suggests that users in the group work on enhancing the design and functionality of the website via web coding/developing practises.

Suggested rights:

  • Edit the wiki's skin and format
  • Edit MediaWiki pages

And then for JBed to be added to this group. Good? 22:01, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Support. --Shockstorm (talk) 22:08, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
Support. Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:28, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
Support. - BlitzballArt.pngTidus357 22:48, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
C-c-c-c-combo breaker, also support. C A T U S E 22:49, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
Support, but name it "designer". Reason being that "developer" is associated with the usergroup that has the "siteadmin" permission. In a typical wiki setting that makes use of the group, it's given to the wiki host and/or highest admin. We don't want any confusions. --Sove 03:38, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, looking at this thing, if the rights suggested above are the only things that this new theoretical class of user would do, then I am all for its creation and JBed's addition to it. Jimcloud 02:37, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
I guess support, but I don't know how I feel about your continued use of IP after given such responsibility. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:40, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
Depends how the wiki wants to treat the role. If no one feels like mentioning that JBed is the wiki's designer then I'd think we can continue as normal. If the wiki does think it's worth an inclusion on the staff page and perhaps other places then yes, that would be sure way to force me to use an account due to liability, responsibility, and stuff. 13:21, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
Well. I'd mention "CSS and JS" or "Coding" or something on the Noticeboard; that's something I've wanted for a long time and now that there's a formalized position we really have a reason to include that. I dunno if it warrants mentioning on the staff page though.C A T U S E 02:41, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
I was contemplating starting up a "design log", a "requests place" and a "feedback place". So any change I make is transparent<!--is that the word?--> to the community, and I will ask for feedback to get people's opinions on changes. And people can easily suggest changes.
I can't think of a good way to put these pages though. 16:40, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Design log could probably go in userspace or Forum:CSSing the wiki. Or maybe the relevant MW page's talk page, that's what you do with templates. C A T U S E 00:22, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Result: Special:ListUsers/designer.

Call the bcrat! JBed (talk) 23:41, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

We'll inform him the instant he logs onto IRC. C A T U S E 01:36, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
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