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To tell the truth, I think you should refuse. Well, we're a Wiki and a Wiki's objective is to gather information and dispel any doubts regarding games, characters, and such. Personally, I don't watch Let's Plays, but I think that a Wiki LP it's more or like promoting a game/series, and not necessarily being an in-depth video walkthrough. Is there an article you think is of an exceptional quality? Vote for it here! | |||
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Who would get the moneys if we were to accept? I doubt there are abundant riches to be made, but like your tax office may consider it as your personal income and thus tax you accordingly or get you into trouble for not reporting or whatever. You could ask TNG what is their experience with the copyright thing, as we are not affiliated with SE and these were meant as just fan projects, and SE doesn't usually have a problem with fan projects. | |||
Making money is always something I've been interested in.
Added commentary makes it fair use, and you can monetise that. Though there is some oddities around that. I monetise my videos, except I have problems because Square decided to automatically submit copyright claims on videos featuring music from their OSTs. However, one of the benefits with partnering with a company is that (some of them) handle legal problems for you. I suspect any company that partners with gaming channels does this.
I suggested monetising our videos in the past. This money would mean we could subsidise members who purchase things for the wiki. Jeppo bought a video recorder for the wiki, and people buy Ultimania books.
Before Esprit was here one of the ideas was to use the money to buy all the official FF books, but Esprit has all of them anyway so there is less issue.
And another thing we could do with the money is pay translators.
I don't know how the world of money works though. Is setting up a business easy? Would we need to rely on one member to handle all this? 89.243.247.254 13:40, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
I didn't buy the recorder just to use for the wiki. I bought it mainly for my own personal use. For example I'm also using it to record TV programmes onto my PC so that I can watch them later. I'm not sure I like the idea of using videos and LPs for making money. I know that sounds daft because Wikia is a commercial money-making business. I know we all give up our own time (and sometimes spend some money) to contribute to the wiki, and I don't think I would live with myself if I made money out of it, even if it was to cover expenses like JBed suggested. Besides, I don't know if I can trust TNG to give us a fair deal. I've never heard of them. So my mind, as well as my heart, is saying no. | |||
Well, it's not likely you've heard of TNG, because they're called TGN. And if you haven't heard of TGN, then I could very easily surmise that you know probably nothing about gaming networks other than perhaps Machinima. JBed (talk) 14:28, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I'm using a video editor that is strictly non-commercial use, meaning I (or in this case, the wiki) can't make money from anything I create with it unless I purchase a professional licence. So if a deal is brokered between us and TGN, I can't legally make any LPs, and quite likely, neither can Drake. | |||
Deadlyslashsword - +It takes disaster to learn a lesson, but you're going to make it through the darkest nights+ TALK - 19:18, May 24, 2013 (UTC) - Some people betray and cause treason...we're gonna make everything alright. | |||
Legal mumbo-jumbo aside, I believe we should consider this offer seriously. Also you should watch this. By looking at their channel it looks like they're looking for more partnerships, the question is do we want to? Although the first question we should answer is legally can we, as the channel and the LPs we make, we make representing our wiki and by that, wikia. I think there are both potential positives and negatives here. | |||
Their CEO is named A-Wall? I'm sure Squall would be on board. Okay, in all seriousness, as a wiki, we're nonprofit. Of course, as JBed says, the money could be used in nonprofit ways. However, we would have to only monetize the videos we make ourselves: we can't monetize any SE made stuff (like summons) that we host. On the form to sign up it says we can't have any copyrighted content. We sorta fail that description unless we move it to a different account or get permission from SE (while they don't mind us, we don't have explicit permission) Also, I'm a bit put off by the canned and meretricious message the person gave us. And besides ad revenue, we don't really get anything very interesting (there's a list on aforementioned link; the list is pretty weak). Also, the FFWiki inbox has five messages about partnerships with various shady organizations, so I'd take this person's messages with a grain of salt. Honestly, I'd pass on partnership. | |||
Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 22:50, May 24, 2013 (UTC) | |||
No. Please don't ask us to turn our work into some big cash cow. Those messages don't strike me as polite or more importantly, genuine. Why have they sent you two? That's weird right there. There is a risk of legal action if we accept, and really, what use would it be? The amount of money made from YouTube videos is rather small when you look at how many people actually watch the videos, so even if we were to gain a large amount, we have all the Ultimanias courtesy of Esprit, and he's an okay translator to boot, so that's a bit silly to think of paying one of our own users. You want to pay for translation? Someone buy a Rosetta Stone disc. | |||
I'll pass along a polite refusal.
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Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 23:01, May 24, 2013 (UTC) | |||
You're definitely doing the right thing. Payment is not something we need. | |||
"Thank you for contacting us. The Wiki's membership has discussed your proposal, and we respectfully decline. On the one hand it is agree that any money this would make our account would be the Wiki's money, and the Wiki has little use for money. We are also concerned about the legal ramifications we may face, not only for making money from copyrighted game footage but for making money off content we are producing period, given that Wikias are non-profit websites.
We again thank you for the thought, but we must refuse, we have little to gain and do not wish to conern ourselves with the legality of our videos that we are making for fun and educational purposes, not for money." | |||
 Catuse says at 23:04, May 24, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton." | |||
EDIT CONFLICT: Funding for translation would be great (IMO, the wiki would be better off with native speakers like Tabbs or professional translators than someone who learned Japanese 'casually', especially since Japanese is such a complex language) but this isn't the way to do it. These guys have fraud written all over them, just like the other partnership offers on YouTube. "I personally watch your content and enjoy it", my ass. | |||
Tia-Lewise - Tread lightly, she is near, under the snow. Speak gently, she can hear the daisies grow TALK - Summoner of Nyan 23:07, May 24, 2013 (UTC) | |||
Speaking as someone who has been scammed online in the past, I'm extra wary of this sort of thing. A good polite refusal there, that'll do the trick, and report them if they become threatening in reply. | |||
Paying people to translate stuff would be awesome. Getting paid pennies by a shady youtube company, not so much. I've always planned on doing that anyways, and would, right now, pay someone to translate FF stuff if they were willing. That's the primary reason I bought all those books in the first place - not to translate them myself, which would take several dozen lifetimes, but to scan them, and pay other, better translators to do it for me. I always envisioned a danbooru-styled database where translators could actually add translations to the scanned images themselves, wiki-style. Espritduo (talk) 23:44, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
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