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Ummm...I'm a titled user? And for what exactly? --Auron Kaizer 15:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

For litterally hundreds and hundreds of useful contributions. I just didn't add an area of expertise, because you're all over the place, so it's hard to pinpoint. --Hecko X 15:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Titled user[edit source]

Can I get one as Chrono Trigger specialist? I promise to do something related to FINAL FANTASY soon :P --Auron Kaizer 23:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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Lucy?[edit source]

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Blue's awesome idea[edit source]



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Hexed's idea for the mod bit[edit source]

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CSM....[edit source]

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New B-crat[edit source]

the idea to end all other ideas[edit source]

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Adam mcduck - "Peace is but a shadow of death, desperate to forget its painful past...":
TALK - I'm a user who works in the shadows, unpraised and unnoticed...
Generally there seems to be a group or one mod appointed each month (in 2008 at least anyway (Faethin and Pansola in January, Netherith in February, Hexed and Good Drake in March & 8bit & Nelo in April)).

So if new moderators are made it won't be until May if the trend follows.

Dr. cid[edit source]

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MMIL and CSM[edit source]

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If we get new mods[edit source]

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I think we shouldn't get new mods. Who's wiv meh?  ILHI 13:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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No, there are some deserving people who deserve to be listed here like most of our current moderators should have. What I'm trying to say is that Moderators are needed to keep the wiki standing -- Not to show good-editors above other editors. That's what CSM did wrong, Moderators should be the select few given the powers because admins believe they are the best users to keep the wiki in-shape, and not just any user that does extensive editing to the wiki.  ILHI 14:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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Bluerfn[edit source]

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Bluer should be mentioned. He should be mentioned up there, as an inactive admin. Yeah, he doesn't have his powers: but if he had just left and never returned, he would have been placed there. He got his powers removed by WikiaStaff and Diablo removed him from history. Whether Bluer asked for him to do that (likely) I don't know.

Still, just ignoring one of the greatest contributors to the FFWiki isn't right. He left because he felt he wasn't getting enough respect for all he was trying to do. To then have his name removed so he'll never be remembered for it. I don't know if it's just me, but I don't think that's right.  ILHI 12:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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Every user thinks they don't get enough respect. You can't really find respect and thanks working on a wiki. Unless you're a WikiMercenary. ;)  ILHI 12:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


A new feature if I may[edit source]


Shane613[edit source]

I think Shane613 should have an Occuria image instead of Larsa! After all, he IS the founder of the wiki. Digitopolis 06:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

MMIL[edit source]

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If my fingers don't wrong me, there are 19 Rank III Yarhi in Revenant Wings. - Henryacores^ 22:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

That is exactly what I was going to suggest. Psst... one of them is Gilgamesh. ^^ Also, the arrangement of the mod portraits should be in the staggered 2-1-2 format as when XII Espers were used. I can upload those Rank III Yarhi portraits that we don't have if this is liked. 8bit 00:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Dibs on Odin because the rest suck. Bar Gilgamesh. And Tiamat. But I want Odin. The VIII GF are the best summons in the entire series though.  ILHI 15:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
We should not include portraits of inactive staffers. This page should be about knowing who's here to help and most mods aren't quite around anymore. Faethinte audio 15:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
....True. There will probably never be more than 15 active mods at a time, so we could just keep the GF Images and attribute only active staffers to them. That's actually a better idea... 8bit 15:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
About that, CSM has been active recently. I removed the inactive comment but he don't got a portrait.
And a lot of the mods classed as inactive are hardly inactive. Just not as active as the six at the top. Netherith, Hexed and Nelo? I see Netherith editing every now and then, and Hexed was in RC earlier today I believe. Nelo has uploaded some art recently I think.  ILHI 15:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
TenzaZangetsu Special:Editcount/TenzaZangetsu 8 July 2009 (UTC)  -   "Common people are nothing but pieces, that I can control at will":
A question: Why are you going to add more images on the Mod section if all the Mods are there and we're not going to add another user to that position? It seems like a waste. PS: I know no one has say anything in two days, I'm just curious.
? What makes you think we'll never have any new mods? You are correct in that all the mods are portraited and that we only have one wanting picture... GB2K has left the wiki for sure, so I'm going to put "No longer active next to his name and place ILHI with the Brothers. They're.. uh.. Behemothy enough I hope? 8bit 20:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
TenzaZangetsu Special:Editcount/TenzaZangetsu 8 July 2009 (UTC)  -   "I will march into hell myself, and i will slaughter each and every one of you evil sons of *******, so help me God!.":
We have Henry, ILHI, Xenomic, those three work on a unhuman pace. Drake and Blue are very active too but in a more human pace (althought Blue is on vacation). We also have three active Admins and CSM, Hecko and TA who edit every once in a while. Now tell me: Are we going to need more staff members? and it's not like there's anyone really deserving the position like Xeno or Henry did a few days ago.

It's inevitable that we will have more users on the staff at some point. ScatheMote 00:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Missing[edit source]


Faethin changed his status to inactive and therefore didn't give him an image. He had being editing recently so I changed his status... although I haven't seen him since.  ILHI 08:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oooo Matheus[edit source]

Love my new image :D Renmiri 01:57, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

PS: Vayne for CSM ? That's not right, make him Balthier is his favorite char :p Renmiri 01:57, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't that make Shane Cid, since Balthier is Cid's.... er... protege of sorts? The crazy doctor fits Diablo better, I thinks :P 8bit 02:32, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
How about making Shane Gerun the Occuria?Digitopolis 08:56, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Emptying the bin[edit source]

Someone needs to delete the "Voted for Deletion" articles so that we can continue sifting through the remaining files and such. Netherith 12:24, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Files and images? Diablocon 12:39, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. Netherith 13:36, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

CSS and JS[edit source]

Which staff member, if any one in particular, is it best to ask about implementing new CSS/JS? I was thinking it might be worth adding the "tabber" div class. An example implementation can be seen here, and I think it might be really useful. The proliferation of collapsible tables on this wiki, while not a problem, could be reduced. As an example application, [[Template:FFVI Enemy|'''this template''']] has three collapsible sections, which could be replaced by tabs -- Sorceror Nobody 22:25, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

There was a discussion in the forum once. I think people said no. Or I said no, and few else cared. One of the two. 22:29, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Aha, found it. Forum:Tabs for multi-encounter enemies. Netherith suggested it, I said I don't like them, and 8bit and Drake didn't understand it. Now two have shown interest, it's two for, one against. 22:37, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
I confess that I mainly want tabs 'cause I have a use planned in my Dissidia guide. In the end, my argument comes down to the one I used for USERNAME: basically we'd be adding it just for the sake of having another tool -- Sorceror Nobody 08:47, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

It's just some CSS and JS code. It's not going to harm anyone if it's unused. We may not want use it in our articles, since our wiki's style is already defined and relies more on collapsible tables. Also, unlike KH wiki, which in the case of enemies, has one page for each of them and divides the information in tabs, we have several, and by several, I mean up to some 12 pages on an enemy with the same name. So we're not using tabs for those.

But if we ever do, even if it's not probable since we're so used to collapsable tables (<3), it's there. I vote yay. - Henryacores^ 09:58, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, there's still my initial question of whether there is one particular "best to ask" sysop when it comes to adding new CSS/JS. I just wanted to reiterate that enquiry; I'm sure I'm not the only user who has ever wanted to know this -- Sorceror Nobody 10:10, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Who used to be the one who added code here? Netherith 00:44, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea how any of this works :] Any admin other than me would be better to ask. If any mod knows what's going on, please do voice your opinion... 8bit 04:11, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Bluer, I think. - 11:26, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
@Anon: I thought you were gone ILHI (I'm assuming it's you because you said it was you in that Forum who voted against it, and the only person who was against it was ILHI). {{User:A.J. two/Sig2} 13:13, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
I em gone. 'sjust that something reminds me of the wiki, I visit, then I remember I started a discussion a while back, and return to keeping it going, and then get involved in other discussions. And then I stay on the wiki until every discussion I can remember is closed, or I'm reminded of the 'dead' feeling I got at ILHI's end. Last time it was that dead feeling.
Dynamic IP = amount of contribution since ILHI's end is masked. Yeah, usually it's a similar IP, but sometimes it changes to something completely random. And I've seen many other 88s. 16:13, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
So... should I go ahead and ask Bluer? @8bit, I know exactly what code to add, having successfully done so on my own wiki, but obviously I can't because I'm not a sysop on FFWiki. It's just a matter of permission, essentially -- Sorceror Nobody 15:02, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Click here for relevant linkage -- Sorceror Nobody 19:38, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Adminship[edit source]

Is it hard to be one of the admins? s̅̅s̅̅o̅̅r̅̅c̅̅̅̅e̅̅n̅̅i̅̅v̅̅i̅̅d̅̅

Colour?[edit source]

Who is responsible for changing the colour of links to this hideous teal colour? Please change it back, it actually hurts my eyes =/

Updating this thing[edit source]

Should it not be mentioned that Mymindislost is no longer active, nor is Crazyswords? And that ILHI now edits under the name JBed or as an anon?C A T U S E03:25, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

MMIL and CSM have been known to reappear once in a blue moon, and as for ILHI, I don't think the staff page is a proper place to chronicle his descent. I'm fine with the way it is. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:29, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
ILHI is no longer active. He has not come back as a staff member. No need to mention. 04:04, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Inactivity[edit source]

With this I am trying to call out staff members to pro-actively define their status of activity with accuracy and responsibility. I'm not suggesting the use of timetables to illustrate it, or other complex methods, but I believe that despite the purely voluntary nature of the workings of the website and without trying to have affect upon it at all, the availability and the focus of each staff member's attention should be made more clear.

Fellow wikians and staff memebrs, thank you for your attention to this message. - Henryacores^ 18:59, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Put messages on talk pages. If they don't reply in four days they've failed the first test. :)
Also, ILHI IS DEEEEEEAD!! JBed (talk) 19:37, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry for the bluntness, but you didn't get the point. This is a request for each involved individual/user/staff member to take action and specify their situation, and is absolutely against that action by second or third parties. I personally oppose the enforcement of a status by anyone but the user, because users have a life beyond their time here, and I can assume that in most cases only they can be accurate.
The message also applies to active users which have a conditioned availability. So, the keyword of the message is "their". - Henryacores 20:17, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
I got the point-- Not that this is a place to discuss this, but if someone can't respond quickly to a request on their talk page then they are inactive, and if they later say otherwise they are either lying or their status has changed by the time they make a statement-- and then their stated status can be changed with their actual status. If a staff member happened to die, we shouldn't need them to tell us they are inactive to change it. That's all I'll say. JBed (talk) 20:32, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
If all staff members were more clear about their presence in the first place, then unusual situations like that would be more detectable. - Henryacores 20:43, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
Basically, transparency is the best approach. - Henryacores 20:47, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Acknowledgements[edit source]

TacticAngel TALK 03:59, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
While I did separate the active admins/bcrats so that they matched the way the moderators were listed, I think we might want to consider keeping the acknowledgement section as one unified section. As they have no enhanced rights, nor are they likely to be sought out for questions, and it is may be less important if they are active or not. Thoughts?
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I'm fine with leaving the acknowledgement section as is.
Yeah, I don't think there should be an active/inactive distinction for them since it's not important, but I don't feel strongly either way. --Shockstorm (talk) 05:48, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

I am also of the opinion that acknowledgements shouldn't be divided between active and inactive. The section is for acknowledgements of past work, and unlike staff, knowing whether an acknowledged user is still active isn't useful. JBed (talk) 13:17, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Social media and bots[edit source]


First point: Yes, but I would put their images and user list separate from the rest of the admins.

Second point: Project:Social media, Project:Social media? JBed (talk) 23:44, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hm, I was thinking it'd be like bcrats and sysops. Portrait table below, and a h3, under the admin h2. But their own h2 works.
As for the project pages for the social medias; well, we should definitely link to them here, but I think the user lists on those page should probably also go on the staff one, as it means you don't have to click the individual project pages for them, and they're still technically staff. Sidenote, I guess a Project:YouTube would work, and could encourage more non-LP uses of the account. Project:Twitch would be useless since we only ever use that for LP.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 23:56, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
On the fence about Facebook and Twitter, but I don't mind adding that bit to my Staff description along with Drake, Cat, Jeppo and whoever else edits Twitter. And a strong yes to a bot section, a very good idea. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle.png 18:04, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
I don't have access to twitter; but, yeah, agreed. Bots shouldn't get an h3 because unlike crats and sysops their job is not to do admin work but to make mass edits (which are sometimes facilitated by the ability to do admin work). Runescape Wiki has this thing but I don't think we really need it because unlike them, we don't have a small army of automated editors.
Of course, we could also start using our Twitch account for something other than LP recordings... :DC A T U S E 02:47, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Bots are now added. Since it's not in the admin section we weren't obliged to use FFIV characters, so I used Shinryu and Omega, can be changed of course. I'm not the best at this stuff, so someone (probably Cat) might have to change descriptions. Are we adding social media? We can probably use VII images for those or something.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 12:16, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Inactive Section[edit source]

Could we create an entire "Active" and "Inactive" section so that our staff page could look like less of a graveyard? I know it is great to acknowledge the contributions and celebrate our staff members, but more than half of our staff are inactive. The Moderator section is completely gray. If one of the points of this page is to direct new users to people who can help them, then having a mostly blank section for both admins and moderators is pretty useless. I'd say put the inactive or historical users on the bottom of the page. ----BlueHighwind 16:08, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

The main reason the mod section is full of inactive mods is because generally the mods who stay active and work harder become admins anyway.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 16:19, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
In fairness, there isn't that much to say for admin activity either. Ignoring very occasional edits and being "IRC active". JBed (talk) 16:25, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps we should just remove their rights :) JBed (talk) 16:25, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
I think the question asked should be more of what we consider as "active". I agree with BlueHighwind, in that it's to "direct new users to people who can help them", as well as it is to acknowledge their contributions. If we go by that, then activity should be more about whether they will respond when approached to help out and answer questions, than whether they contribute daily. The admin activity mentioned is true, but I'm sure the admins would be willing to help out with something if someone left them a note on their talk page.--Magicite-ffvi-ios.png Technobliterator TC 17:20, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
Not meaning to hijack this discussion here, but I'm also sure admins that decide to edit and stay a part of the content side of the community will be a lot more useful to users. Not only for being better equipped to answer one-off queries, but as staff who can actually support users editing the wiki (because RC). I'd definitely much rather put a more-than-a-couple-year-gone "talk-page responsive" admin in the same category as those who are not present at all, than with admins who continually keep an eye on the goings on and who know what good edits look like and what parts of the wiki need editing. Though I'm sure I've shared these opinions before so I just won't continue this. JBed (talk) 19:34, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
Of course we could also mention the utter pointlessness of the Moderator section, other than being some kind of farming system for Admins. So if a Moderator is inactive, why even have them? --BlueHighwind 20:27, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
Moderator system blows because mod rights should be given to every autoconfirmed user, since they're basically just editing utilities. Pretty much the only reason we don't remove user rights from inactive mods is because that requires crats to pay attention to that sort of thing. C A T U S E 23:11, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Mod layout[edit source]

I think I figured out why I don't like the look of the grid with the middle row like that. Because it creates three borders around an empty space. Numerous character select screens in games put the fewest-numbered icons in the top row, TTT2 comes to mind.

So if you were to have less icons in a middle-row, it would have to have no more than 1-less-icon than an above or below row to not offend me. JBed (talk) 06:29, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

I think this is probably an all-time low for relevant conversations I've contributed to. That being said, I personally like the look of the mod layout just fine as it is. The shape kind of reminds me of the old-fashioned movie reels, actually. The layout of modboxes is really one of the most subjective things I can think of to comment on, so unless there is substantial (?) outcry (??), the people who like the current layout (and I can think of at least three) do outnumber those who do not. Jimcloud 07:12, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

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