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Important Announcement[edit source]

This morning, we suffered a severe vandal attack. We need to form a policy on how to deal with vandalism. Editors, we need you to come by more often. Crazyswordsman 17:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

i have vandalproof, which i believe may work here, since it was designed for wikipedia... ill try it out later and let you know it turns out -Xornok 20:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
One option would be to require people to login to edit. --203.113.236.195 10:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Ironicly, I forgot to login before posting that :) --Undc23 10:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Undc23, that would be a good thing if we had to log in in order to edit anything. Its really the first and easiest way to make sure that people do not ruin our work. Also, if possible, make all users validate the email they use in order to put up yet another hurdle. --TacticAngel 09:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I disagree for several reasons:
  1. Several anonymous editors, who probably don't want to waste time logging in, have been proofreading many of my mistakes in the articles I wrote.
  2. It makes us seem less friendly. One of the first moves I made as admin was to protect the Main Page. However, I was asked to unprotect it so that this Wiki seems more friendly.
  3. I don't know how to do it. Crazyswordsman 12:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Since when are Wikis friendly? I've never gotten a friendly or constructive comment when I've done something wrong, well not here, but at other Wikis. --Auron Kaizer 22:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
We are still small, in the sence that we have few active members and everybody here pretty much knows everybody else, so we are able to better keep a track on eachother. That may not be the case for many bigger Wikis that have more than a score or so who make more than 5 edits. --Hecko X 22:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Policy Discussion[edit source]

Crazyswordsman wanted to talk about our vandalism policy, which currently is non-existant. I'll throw out my opinion and hopefully we can all come to some sort of concensus. Basically, all damage is done either by conscientious or negligence actions. It is conceivable that a person could delete an entire article on accident by trying to update one portion of it if they were a little too quick and careless with things like Ctrl+A, Ctrl+X, etc. Even if the person was not trying to destroy an article but did, it was not his intention to do so. Negligence. Its forgivable so long as it does not become a major, reoccuring issue with one particular user.

Someone who comes here and willfully destroys articles, breaks links for the sake of breaking links, etc is someone who is not trying to help. I do not think we need to have any pitty on them. For an example, I would have banned our recent vandal outright. That is a clear example of unacceptable, flagrant, and bannable behavior.--TacticAngel 02:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Roy Al Blue and I were discussing this awhile that. I came up with this idea: Divide vandals into two catagories: One-hit vandals, who vandalize only one article at a time, and recurring vandals, who vandalize many pages at once. I would like to give the former type four warnings, then ban them for three days, then a week, then a month, then indefinitely. For the latter, I would only give two warnings. However, if it seems that the vandal is persistant, he or she should be banned the next time he or she vandalizes. I will NOT ban anyone the first time he or she appears. I will tread lightly around major vandals, and see that they don't vandalize again. We don't want to come down as too harsh, but we want to make our message clear. Crazyswordsman 03:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Our vandalism policy is a joke. Our main page has been defaced a dozen times (guestimate) in the past week. The only reason I can see for this four strikes and you're out policy is that it creates an interesting series of colors in user talk pages but ultimately we're just a fancy immitation of the United Nations; all bark and no bite. At the very least, we need a better policy to either prevent this sort of thing or a better way to revert vandalized pages. --TacticAngel 01:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I personally feel the best option would be to allow only active and experienced users to change the main page, where most of the vandalism has occurred. I know it's possible because they do it on wikipedia.org. I don't know how though... In any case, do that for pages that get attacked often. If a new user wants to update something, they can make suggestions in "talk" until they've been there long enough to be considered a veteran.--Dukeruckley 02:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I got scolded by the Wikia administrators the time I decided to protect the Main Page (which was my first action as admin. I was asked to unprotect it (against my wishes, of course)). If the main page gets vandalized one more time, I will put out a warning saying that anyone who adds drug info will be banned without warning. I have the feeling that this is the same guy using sockpuppets. I will ban any sockpuppet that adds this, because I'm convinced it's the same guy. Oh, and the four warnings policy is that which Wikipedia uses for minor vandalisms. Major vandals like the one who struck a few weeks ago will probably only have two, possibly one warning, depending on severity. I don't want to turn reasonable and anonymous newcomers off, especially those who have been proofreading the many mistakes I make when writing articles. Crazyswordsman 02:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

New Rule![edit source]

Anyone who posts anything about "viagra" on the main page will be banned instantly. Somehow I think all these IPs are the same guy. Crazyswordsman 22:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I would not be surprised. It's possible that he resets his IP every now and then ***********8 just in case he's been IP-banned. I've done it on IRC channels for enemy groups after annoying the stuffing out of them (don't ask...). Armond 22:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I changed your post, just because in case he doesn't know how to do that, you just told him.--Puck Udroc 23:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I will freely admit that that was a moment of dumbassness. >.> 156.1.60.60 16:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Another Major Vandal Attack![edit source]

This week, several vandals (they may be the same person?) have struck. I don't know who is who, but I do know that I spent two hours today reverting vandalism. As a result, User:Vandalizer is now banned. Crazyswordsman 01:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Do you think it would be prudent to make people log in to edit? --TacticAngel 02:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
    • It wouldn't have made a difference, as all the vandals that made me work hours upon hours had accounts. Crazyswordsman 02:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
      • I know it would take forever, but would it be possible to put bots on all the pages to prevent this? If everyone chipped in, it may not take so long. --Sephiroth7
        • Something has to be done about our policy. Clearly someone dislikes us, and I could make my own theories. I also understand the spirit that wikis try to maintain, but at a certain point liberal philosophy has to give way to realism. Something has to be done to protect our work because the more my work is vandalized, the less I want to contribute. I mean I am not going to spend hours fixing things. I mean even pulling up thistle in my back yard is more productive and less enfuriating. --TacticAngel 22:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
          • I'm considering this, except I don't know how. Crazyswordsman 23:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
            • I'm going to see how I can keep anonymous IPs from editing. Also, I could use your help in all this reverting. Doing it all myself is pissing me off a lot. Crazyswordsman 23:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
              • But didn't you say most of the vandalism is coming from people with accounts? Blocking anonymous IPs may help some, but others will just make an account, and then make another when that one is blocked. And we can't to a perma ban on an IP, cuz some users may share that IP...--Sephiroth7 02:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
                • Interesting point. The Homestar Runner Wiki, which I'm using as a model for this, had a major attack last November and installed some sort of software (of course they had to stop new editors for joining for a mont). Crazyswordsman 02:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
                  • We should find out how...so does that mean that new users can't edit for a month? that could be a good idea...most vandals may be discouraged if they couldn't vandalize right away...that's sort of like on the nintendo forums where you can't post for at least three days and so many page views...it sort of prevents spamming, and teaches new users proper conduct...this could be good...--Sephiroth7 02:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Why not simply protect pages from anon users if they seem like they're constant targets of vandalism? And if it's AOL IPs, perhaps we should get a policy like Wikipedia's on open proxies. If the vandels have accounts here, perhaps we need to either make it harder for accounts to be made or make it so new accounts can't edit for a few weeks. (I'd be willing to do that, myself, though I honestly don't know how other honest contributors would feel about it.) Armond 22:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

good idea, but i think it's much more fun redirecting them to User:Dumbass, and because that if they do it, admins can ban them. it's easy to fix what they do. I've been doing it for a bit.--Puck Udroc 22:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...what goes on in the minds of these vandals? Chaos methinks... --Auron Kaizer 22:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It can be as fun as it likes, but if it doesn't get the job done, it's not effective. 156.1.60.60 16:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XII Finally Out[edit source]

The US version of this amazing game is finallyout today, on Halloween.

Darth Cow 20:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's been out for about a month, just not on retail :P --Hecko X 20:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I hate living in Europe at times. Of course, not for the so-called politics you have there. Oh well. You lose much, get nuthin'. --Auron Kaizer 20:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Europe..? Hang on, you live in Scandinavia too, right? Norway, I think it was (maybe we should make some Continent userboxes...). But you're right, we get squat in Europe, we even got scr*wed for the PS3 with.. what was it? 6 months? --Hecko X 21:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I still have to wait for a price drop (and I have to finish Star Ocean 3). Crazyswordsman 22:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Am I the only US resident here? --Frusion1021 00:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm from the United States. I'm sure there are good reasons why Europe doesn't get releases on time, but it is not polite to talk about other governments and politics. --TacticAngel 02:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


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It's better than a made-up name. Bluer 19:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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Timber Maniacs FTW. IMO, Bonga Bugle sounds rather stupid. Midgar Press sounded cool; though not in a game so Timber Maniacs is next best.  ILHI 21:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Timber Maniacs is a magazine, sorry. And I prefer the Bonga Bugle, nvm if its stupid or not from "mainstream", whatever "mainstream" means anyway. So, no. Bluer 21:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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@Bluerfn: Because it's a magazine? I'm sorry, but does the format of the news section follow that of a newspaper? No. News is updated when recieved, unlike a newspaper or magazine. I fail to see why a newspaper is above a magazine. Main-series Final Fantasy; the games people are more familiar with.. I believe are the deserving. Of course, the name sounding, IMO, stupid doesn't affect anything.  ILHI 22:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I appear to have not got through what I wished to. And what I wish to, I do not even care for. Whatever the name is I don't care. Have your Bonga Bugle.  ILHI 22:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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People only care because they think "Bonga Bugle" sounds stupid. They couldn't care less about anything else. :/ -- If it was Bonga Bugle from Day 1, no one would have suggested renaming it to Timber Maniacs or Shin-Ra News now, would they?  ILHI 19:49, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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The Midgar Press never existed. Therefore it was a made up name using a place in a game. It's like calling it the Baron Weekly, or the Galbadia Mail. Made up. Bonga Bugle exists and is SE's creation.  ILHI 16:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for mentioning it. —BLUER一番 03:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

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Dissidia[edit source]

Okay, we can stop with the Dissidia website updates now. We know all there is to know about the Japanese versions, and little things like gameplay videos aren't a big deal. —BfD (talk·contribs) Confirm deletion|19:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that news with "Why Bother?" as a conclusion aren't really news. In my country, we'd call that thing a critic. - Henryacores^ 19:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Executive Editor[edit source]

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Diablo.... only one I can see actually caring. Other admins are dead or just don't care. And someone who isn't an admin doing it just isn't right; and promoting someone just so they can care for a project page... no.

Diablo... or MMIL if he can find himself active enough.  ILHI 16:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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All you users are confusing. I should just start referring to all of yous with "they" and "their" rather than "he/she"/"her/his".  ILHI 16:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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