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DeletionEdit

Why do we want to delete this? Faethinverba volant 21:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

We don't. Somebody was testing out the Delete Template, as a joke, I think. The only complaint I have is the name. This could finally be our Wiki Space named after FFVII. "The Lifestream", perhaps? "Northern Crater"? --BlueHighwind 21:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
"Northern Crater" is nice. It really conveys the undesirableness. Master Conjurer 21:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
This requires monitoring. And it will also go hours unused. Just continue to tell users to use their userspace or the sandbox on wikip. IMO.  ILHI 15:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Haven't we been telling people to use the WP sandbox forever now, anyway? Why was this made? Master Conjurer 15:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't require monitoring. Well, it does, but anyone can volunteer to do cleaning if they wish. As for this vs. userspace, some users especially newcomers might only want to do simple test edits and need temporary places to do so. As for this vs. Wikipedia sandbox, their tests would include linkages or involve the wiki's own articles and templates.
I was coming up with a name closest to "sand"box, this was the only "desert" name to cross my mind. If you feel it should be changed, we can discuss it.
Now that I thought about it, maybe we can add a message saying "If you want to experiment or do test edits, please go to the Sandsea" in the Editing message box >:3 AJDurai 04:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Baleetion Edit

Why do we even need this? I'm perfectly aware that I seem to be contradicting my previous opinion, but indeed I have changed my mind. Users can simply use their user page or their own sandbox. Fëasindë te audio 18:28, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the harm in keeping it. Really, especially for anons. Some people just don't make an account, but still do a lot of good editing. Why not have a free place to do testing? I know I used to use it before I finally made my own sandbox page. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 18:34, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
It is perfectly possible to preview stuff on an anon page. Fëasindë te audio 18:37, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
In some cases, the preview doesn't match the final outcome. Case in point enemy templates, as evidenced by Drake's recent difficulties. And, again, I really don't see what's harmful about keeping it. Not everybody might want to create a sandbox in their user space right away. I held off on it for quite a while myself. And why should they have to? That's basically making them bear the burden of wanting to edit, which, honestly, is not a friendly way of handling the situation. When new users come in, they don't want to be told they're on their own right away. That's basically what forcing them to make a sandbox does. In some cases this can cause them to do test edits on wiki pages instead, which nets them templates and makes us look unfriendly.
No, I think that the benefit of having the page lies in having a place where new users and anons can test freely, without having to feel like they're on their own when it comes to figuring stuff out. The function might be the same, but the feeling isn't. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 18:48, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
I would like to see the case in point you mention. I have never seen the preview not match the final result. Fëasindë te audio 18:49, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
It's fixed, but it was in his sandbox and sandbox 2. He was having issues where the template itself worked fine, but he came to me because putting values into it caused problems. Obviously that's a special case, but the problem with making templates in general is that they don't update well on their own pages. I spammed up the RC making my announcement template because I had to save it before the appearance would update. And, really, I'd just like to reiterate the question of what the harm is in keeping this page. I used to use it, I'm sure other new users use it, and even more so because it's linked in all our Test templates. Even if it's not seeing a whole ton of use, even a small amount of use justifies its continued existence. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 18:57, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
Not all editors have accounts. 79.69.193.48 22:39, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: To demonstrate how strongly I feel about keeping this, I've saved the code from the header. If this does get deleted, I'll take personal responsibility for hosting the Sandsea in my own user space and, with permission, will change the links over in all templates linking to the current page to reflect that. I truly do feel a public option for testing code is a benefit to new users and anons. I know it was a benefit to me starting out not all that long ago. Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 19:20, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

I oppose. We link to this page in every first test we apply, and it shouldn't link to a private user's space, but rather here, to the project space. It exists specially for people who can't make their own sandboxes, either due to lack of account or knowledge. And this could also be used as a community Sandbox, since user Sandboxes are normally private in nature. Besides, maintenance is simple: just baleet if it gets overloaded. I do suggest making the header a template, for further ease in maintenance.

I believe the actual question is "why not keep it?". Seriously, it does more good than harm, which is none. - Henryacores^ 22:48, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oh the irony. My late arrival is sad. - Henryacores^ 22:49, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
So, what, forgot about the tab for a few hours? :P
In all seriousness, though, I don't want to see this go. That's why I said if it did I would preserve it. I didn't mean I wanted to move it into my user space so much as if that was what it would take to keep this service going, I'd do it.
...I do all sorts of defying convention these days in my personal space, don't I? Between hosting the bot on my own machine, my talk page being split into a normal and "unique rules" portion for the bot, and allowing people to mess around in my sandbox (to an extent), it's only a matter of time before I adopt the front page. XD Bluestarultor Best-of Stellar Arena sigicon BSA 23:20, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
I oppose deletion. We want somewhere for anons who edit in good faith to brush up their skills if need be, without overusing Preview and potentially getting edit conflicted, which as we all know is one of the most annoying things in editing (so grateful for TVTropes' page checkout feature).
And I realise late opinion is late, as the Sandsea will be staying whether or not it gets deleted from this page, but I'd rather it stay here, to be honest. I think that the projectspace is a bit better for an all-user sandbox than userspace. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 00:12, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
I also would like this to stay; the sandbox is advertised on the first test template, I believe, so that people who are creating unwanted pages or generally leaving messes of redirects around can work here. 8bit 19:10, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
I say stay. I also used this too, back in my early days at the FF Wiki. Though I don't even use my own sandbox hardly any, that doesn't mean that someone doesn't have a use for a sandbox. If us registered users can have our own personal sandbox for testing (or, in many cases, two to four sandboxes), why should we take away what could be considered the anon's personal sandbox? A.J. two (Smashboards) 22:19, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

NameEdit

Other than "Sandsea" being sort of like "Sandbox" with three different letters at the end, it's not that great of a name. How about Desert of Shifting Sands? For me it explains what the sandbox is, with its "shifting" content. And also it has "sands" in it which keeps the fact that is just a sandbox in it. 79.69.197.45 21:21, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Though that name is much, much better, Sandsea keeps it simple. Also, the Sandseas in XII are expanse and have tides of sand as seen in the introductory FMV. I really don't mind either name, but Sandsea is so much simple to search for.
If we make this page more accessible somehow, we should definitely swap the name. - Henryacores^ 23:00, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
That is true. The sandsea is linked in the Welcome template and the Test templates. IMO, if we wanted true accessibility, it should be called "Sandbox". It's the universal name for sandboxes. I don't think there's many places that give them special names.
And based on the fact that to access this place, you'll need to remember the name or where it's linked to. Changing it to a longer name will make it slightly longer to type, and maybe it's slightly less memorable? 79.69.197.45 23:36, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
As you mentioned, Sandbox and Sandsea are in the same shelf so there's no issue at which one to pick in terms of accessibility.
Also, unfortunately, the Sandsea is far more memorable than the Desert of Shifting Sands. I think that if this feature as a collective testing area, instead of users creating prototypes in their own userspaces and then presenting them to other users, it would recieve more visibility, and consequentially, more links on the wikia interface. In a optimistic case like that, I'd see the move be done.
But this page is simply too undergroud to even bury it further with a longer and less memorable (as you described) name.- Henryacores^ 23:08, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
I'm used to this being named "Sandbox", but I also don't mind the current name of "Project:Sandsea", or whatever it may be named in the future. So, why don't we redirect the sandbox here? Just my 2 Gil --BryghtShadow 05:43, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
Usually 2 gil isn't worth much*(Hey, you need 25 times that much to buy a simple Potion!), but clearly this is. I have done this, as well as redirected DoSS to Sandsea as well.C A T U S E Cat 05:54, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
^^; I believe you forgot one fundamental one: the plain Sandbox, which has been through 3 deletions (a reason I didn't just go ahead with that redirect). I've redirected it for now. --BryghtShadow 07:27, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Is the DFFOO infobox ready? Edit

Something needs to be changed? Can we start using it? -- Eco (talk) 17:40, February 8, 2018 (UTC)

You're good to go make them, Eco. I kind of want to add a field for Crystal Strength color since that and weapon types are constant among all the characters. Mierna 23:38, February 8, 2018 (UTC)
That's nice to read, however, do you want any help with that last part? I can take you some screenshots of each crystal color if you want. -- Eco (talk) 00:34, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
DissidiaDB has a filter that sorts characters by crystal color. Also, that site is a great resource for comparing everything in both languages. Mierna 01:07, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't talking about data, I was talking about the icons that are used at each crystal color x'D
An estetic change, not a data issue -- Eco (talk) 01:16, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
You can get the icons if you want. Will they be in the infobox? Mierna 01:23, February 9, 2018 (UTC)

The character's main article infoboxes should have a field for Opera Omnia if that's a subpage now, like for Dissidia and Record Keeper.Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 09:42, February 9, 2018 (UTC)

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