Final Fantasy Wiki talk:IRC

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Password?

How does one change their password? SilverCrono 23:56, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

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The caption worries me. It sounds almost like brainwashing. Join us...join us...BRAINNSSS!! -- 10:06, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

#FFWiki-help no longer needed

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		FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." 19:08, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
		Since our regular channel #FFWiki no longer requires identification, the purpose of #FFWiki-help, which was orignally set up in case people had quick questions and wanted to ask them without the hassle of making an account and joining the main channel, is left void. So I propose we remove it.

		KujaRhapsodos - You don't need a reason to help people. TALK - 19:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
		I use it once in a while. I understand that people in the main channel can also answer, but they also may not know the answer, they may be busy in other conversations and having other people speak between the question and answer can get matters confusing. Also my questions have always been answered by JudgeZarbi, who does not inhabit #FFWiki. Finally, is there really a problem with keeping #FFWiki-help up? Wasted bandwith or something? If it doesn't harm, then I don't think it should be removed, as I think it is useful (even if only a little).

		BlueLionheart - "Be careful, dear friend, lest you fall into the endless ocean of stars..." - 水風死 TALK - 19:36, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
		Agreed with KujaRhapsodos. There is no harm with keeping it around, even if no one uses it.

		DoorToNothing - You do not yet know... what lies beyond the door. TALK - Remember, you are the one who will open the door to the light.
		I agree with Faethin. I've been dwelling in #FFWiki-help for the last few weeks, and I have not even once seen it used. Once or twice, I have seen messages in there, but they were simply nonsense or irrelevant to the purpose of the channel. All wiki-related conversation already takes place on #FFWiki, and there is a much larger community on #FFWiki to answer such questions. I fully support the removal of this channel.

Problem

		Xepscern - It's Morphin Time!! TALK - 22:58, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
		Is there a problem with the IRC? Everytime I try to log on, it instantly disconects me. What's the problem?

A lot of people seem to be having a problem with it. I never use it, so I wouldn't know :P -- Sorceror Nobody  23:14, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia Chat?

So, as I was browsing through the Recent Changes of the Mass Effect Wiki, I saw a talk page post that was talking about the IRC. So, I looked at it, to see if they had an IRC channel I could join. Well, they don't anymore, but an admin who was replying linked to a forum which in turn linked to a feature on Wikia that they're testing. Basically, it puts the IRC into Wikia without having to go through another website. While the "apllications" of wikis that want to test it out has come and gone, I nonetheless wanted to see if anyone here had seen it, and what those in charge had to say regarding the matter. I expect the majority to be against it, but I want to know what they have to say irregardless. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 05:01, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

If you're talking about the chat box feature, it's not IRC and I'm not sure it requires a login. If not, that could get messy. Googling it up, I found something on the One Piece wiki that's probably it and you can only join if you're a member, but, to be blunt, I have no way of knowing if or how I can put the bot up in there, and I'm sure people still want it. I didn't put all that work into getting the thing running and maintaining it just for it to be pulled out from under me and everyone else. If it was really an IRC channel, then I wouldn't mind, but on a personal level, I'm going to strongly disagree with adding the feature when it's fully released. It's not hard to get to the IRC channel and we can make it a lot easier just by getting the word out. Bluestarultor ^BSA 05:21, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: It also looks like it's seriously lacking in features: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Community_Chat IRC provides a much fuller experience and is easier to move around in in cases like needing to contact central Wikia for bans. This is a serious trade-off for convenience in a case where we can make things more convenient on our own with the IRC channels. Bluestarultor ^BSA 05:29, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: If we really want to have a chat feature, rather than using the one Wikia's building from scratch, there's already a third-party plugin that handles IRC, meaning we get the best of both worlds: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebChat. Here's an example of a place that uses it with Mibbit, but Freenode, which is what we use, is basically the default: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Special:WebChat. Bluestarultor ^BSA 07:21, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt that we'd really need to put an IRC client inside the wiki. We already have links to Freenode's in-browser client, and as far as I can tell it serves the needs for new users rather well. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:25, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, the difference is that this would be a direct link to a specific channel, assumedly the main #FFWiki channel, and it wouldn't require a ReCAPTCHA, which is starting to do some stupid things like throwing kanji and Cyrillic at you, and consistently sports accented characters at this point. Instead, security would be handled by the default setting of requiring you to be logged into the wiki. Overall it might be friendlier to have a page dedicated to it right here that takes most of the guesswork out of getting to it. Bluestarultor ^BSA 07:36, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. You're right. Convince Wikia to install it and I'm in. If it can be designed to launch two channels automatically (I'm thinking both #FFWiki and #FFWiki-help), that would be very nice.

Also ReCAPTCHA sucks ass. I've seen in throw it mathematical equations at points. How the hell are you supposed to type those? -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 07:40, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I poked Fae and 8bit, and Yuan already said she thought it was a good idea, so short of me possibly giving help with the code, those three are the ones who would be implementing it. I think it can only link to one by default, but you can "/join" any other channel on the network normally, and we can test its ability to put up more than one channel if it gets approved. Bluestarultor ^BSA 07:54, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Connection Problem

For a while today I've been trying to access the IRC, but it won't let me. I'm trying to go through the website ([1]), but it keeps saying that it can't connect to the webpage. Are others going through the site (as opposed to a client) having this problem? It may be just me, but I'm curious as to whether others are having this problem to. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 20:54, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

I've just tried, and connected fine : / -- Sorceror Nobody  20:59, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. It's been doing it to at least one other site, so I guess it's on my side. Could just be IE deciding to hate Freenode for the time-being. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 21:04, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Try to restart your browser or use another web browser or Freenode gateway. - Henryacores^ 21:24, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Does "Freenode gateway" = chat client? I can't restart the computer because I'm using my bro's laptop and he has his account up in the background, and, for some reason, Chrome doesn't want to work on my account. And those are the only two browsers on the computer. hmm. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 21:26, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Consider downloading Firefox and see if it works with that?  Armageddon11!  21:32, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Its my bro's computer. The only things I download are mods for STArmada to transfer to another computer. So I guess no IRC for me today. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 21:35, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

If he could download Chrome, Firefox shouldn't be a problem. I use both browsers personally. But yeah, you're right that you shouldn't download stuff without his permission.  Armageddon11!  22:04, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Which is why I'm not downloading Firefox. I'm sure the problem will be gone at some point, but just not right now. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 22:10, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

...so why not instead of downloading Firefox you just try another, web-based client? Fëasindë ^{te audio} 23:08, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

FFWiki-help

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		FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." 17:48, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
		Bluesey's modification to the IRC page in terms of accessibility has made it very, very easy for everyone, anons included, to enter the main channel, #FFWiki. I would like to get rid of FFWiki-help since virtually nobody ever visits it anymore. It would be one less channel to patrol. Most of the IRC regulars seem to agree, but I would like to hear some opinions. Edit 20:12, January 1, 2012 (UTC): Well, that nobody replied just confirms that nobody really cares for that place anyway. I'm going to have it deregistered. Should anyone want to add his or her input please feel free to do so.

Politics Rules

		BlueHighwind Q? 04:36, January 16, 2012 (UTC) TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:
		Three things: 1. Apparently Faethin is the undisputed ruler of the IRC chatroom and all its bylaws. This a thing, why? 2. Who decided that we aren't allowed to discuss politics? It appears that Faethin just thought that up on his own. Shouldn't everybody decide on this business? This is a thing, why?

		Catuse says at 04:40, January 16, 2012 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		Two things: 1. That isn't three things. 2. Well, politics is grouped with religion... and yeah. Methinks for the same reason, i.e. people get ticked off too easily. Of course, if we had a giant vote on it... we meaning the wiki and not me, since I don't ever visit the IRC unless I need the vandal busters to help out ("WHO ya gonna call? Vandal Busters!") and they aren't RC patrolling.

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		FëasindëTalk "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." 04:10, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
		I am not the "ruler" of the IRC. I am one of the people that enforce the rules. The rules are clearly stated on the page. I didn't just make them all up (I actually and blatantly copy-pasted them from Wookieepedia). Nobody has had a problem with them. If you do have a problem with them, by all means, feel free to bring the matter up. Do take into account that discussing the rules and accusing me of arbitrarily imposing them are two distinct things. It has happened often that politics and religion and football are taboo subjects because they can quickly degenerate into flame wars. Simple as that. I invite you, BlueH, to discuss any change you think would be convenient for the chatroom. Just keep in mind that until a concensus is reached, dura lex sed lex and the rules must be followed.

IRC Moments

I've compiled a list of funny moments that happened in IRC whenever I'm on since January. I was thinking of putting it up on this page, but the subject matter rating of each snippet vary. Any thoughts? I'll put it up as a user template for now in my page when I have time to do so so you guys can review them. Chocolancer (talk) 05:31, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Everyone keeps their own logs in userspace (like mine), but collaborating them into a subpage or whatever of this page wouldn't be a bad idea. It also means that newbies could get a glimpse of what goes on in there, other then teh srs wikibiznes. C A T U S E 05:57, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I have complete logs of the channel dating back to late 2010 thanks to Eye of the Storm.
A 'best quotes' section could be interesting, but it would certainly need to be on a subpage, and we would need to agree on which are the select best logs to promote. Keeping the logs in userspace is probably easier for the most part, though. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.png 08:37, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I would say no, for the same reason I don't think we should have Nalbina Dungeons (well, minus the neglect). Wiki isn't funny.

If there's any point logging anything from the IRC in projectspace it would be discussions had there regarding the wiki. And might I add that any sort of wiki-related decision making shouldn't happen there.

Keep the quotes/discussions you think are funny in your own userspaces. 79.69.193.166 15:27, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I would have to agree if not for the same reasons, it just seems like something that shouldn't be here. At best I could see a link to a forum where kept all of the best moments, but humor is subjective, and a ton of the stuff that goes on there I don't find funny. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 15:39, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that IRC quotes are really user space material. Seeing as how IRC is ongoing, it's easier than trying to decide what's funny on a regular basis and archive the pages when they get too big. That's not to say we can't link to those pages, but I don't think maintaining it in project space is the solution. Bluestarultor ^BSA 15:54, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Right. I'll just place it on my page then. I thought a few quotes from IRC on the IRC page wouldn't hurt, but the content is definitely subjective material. It might cause a fight or something if I'm not careful. Chocolancer (talk) 21:07, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Must Be Invited?

		BlueHighwind Q? 02:47, October 15, 2012 (UTC) TALK - So if you care to find me, look to the Western Sky!ツ:
		I can't join the channel tonight, I keep being told by both Chatzilla and the Freenode Web Client that "Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited". Have I been kicked out or something? I thought we were all bros.

		Catuse says at 02:50, October 15, 2012 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		No, Jim was trying to turn on GFMinotaur (Ark had quieted it) and somehow messed something up.

		Jimcloud TALK - 02:51, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
		Let me see if I can't get it fixed. Also, thanks for throwing me under the bus Cat. Who told me what the alleged commands were, hmmmm?

		Catuse says at 02:55, October 15, 2012 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		lol, sorry Jim. Though I'd like to blame this for this whole mess, since it told me what the "alleged commands" were. Scathe may have fixed it.

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		Ark - Eternal Darkness TALK - 13:53, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
		Wow, a whole lot of fail here. I'm not back at my computer yet, so I can't see if this got fixed properly, but for the record, the bot had to be quieted due to abuse of the ping all command (perhaps Bluesey will actually remove it this time), and it was unfortunate that this happened just before I had to leave. I did offer to tell JC the command to unquiet it before I left, but I got no reply. <_< Oh, and Cat: DALnet is a completely different IRC network using a completely different ircd and Services package. Using a guide for that to try and do things on freenode is... not helpful. Sometimes Google is not your friend, evidently. EDIT: Well, that was a lot of melodrama, worthy of the dark days of KHWiki. I won't expand on that here (that can be left to be sorted out on-IRC), but this does highlight that the !ping all command really needs to be removed. It has not been used for anything but spam for over a year now; I have only seen it legitimately used once. The command is useless and really demonstrates a very poor understanding of how IRC works. Channel notices are a part of IRC designed specifically to attract attention; the !ping all command is less effective, spammy, outdated and utterly pointless. Even if one wanted to mass-highlight nicks (although there really is no need to do so), doing so manually with tab-complete is not difficult. Finally, freenode staff have operator rights in our channel for a reason. If there is a problem and there are no OPs available to sort it out or if the OPs present don't understand how to sort it out, contact a network staffer in #freenode

Adding the channel in

As the channel has been moved to #wikia-FF, we need to update <irclogin />. Sactage says the best way to do that is to replace it altogether with <div id="IRClogin"></div> then add this code to MediaWiki:common.js.

However, this doesn't replace the login box, it makes the gateway part of the page itself, kinda like a frameset. Maybe move this to Project:IRC/Access then link to it on this page.

Thoughts? C A T U S E 02:43, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Judgement Day for GFSacred?

		Catuse says at 05:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC) "Somewhere a zealous god threads these strings between the clouds and the earth, preparing for a symphony it fears impossible to play. And so it threads on, and on, delaying the raise of the conductor's baton."
		As you probably know, GFSacred was +b'd to get rid of it after about a year of glitches caused by having multiple bots with the same function as well as this incident and similar ones. Are we going to make it official and update the parts of projectspace that mention the bot and its use -- and possibly ask Bluesey to readd the !roll command to GFMinotaur?

Just have the freaking bots combined, we never wanted two bots. --Sove 14:32, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, we banned Sacred? I'd assumed that one of them had gone down. Again. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 14:36, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

NETSPLIT FEB 02

Freenode has been making a bunch of netsplits. Am I the only one who thinks we should switch networks if this happens again? I think there's a massive attack happening and no ops are around to deal with it.

Topic for future reference: Welcome to the Final Fantasy Wiki IRC http://finalfantasy.wikia.com || Trouble on the Wiki and no admins present? Contact a VSTF member in #wikia-vstf || Rules: http://tinyurl.com/FFIRCR || http://i.imgur.com/b9V03Hh.gif || Happy Chinese New Year!�

DrowBlade (talk) 00:58, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

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		Kuja FFIX - '...I won't let it happen. I won't... I won't let this world exist without me!' TALK - 11:07, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
		I do not feel that there is currently sufficient reason to move network. freenode is generally stable unless suffering from a DDoS attack as today; the same cannot be said of quite a lot of other networks on which netsplits are a regular occurrence at all times. freenode is now the largest IRC network, so it is to be expected that it will be a target. There are plenty of network opers around, but there is little they can do about such an attack. (Although I should not have to point it out, I will do so for clarity: none of our channel operators are network operators and network issues are outside of our control.) We have considered switching network in the past, but decided against it. I believe that the reasons present then are still present now. We are an established channel with an appreciable userbase, and a significant number of those users would always be lost in a move. Furthermore, there is a root structure of related projects also present on freenode (Wikipedia, Wikia and the VSTF most notably) as well as a large number of 'side-channels' created by and used by numerous members of our channel. Furthermore, freenode is the go-to network for the type of peer-directed project a wiki such as this represents, so it is where people are most likely to expect our IRC channel to be located. Network disruption would have to become far greater and more prolonged than it has been for it to tip the balance against these costs. For the record, our secondary choice of network would be EsperNet. But, again, to be completely clear, we currently have no intention of leaving freenode and this recent netsplit does not change that.

So apparently I'm a channel op now?

Turns out you get automatic channel op rights if you become an admin. I did not know this. And nobody sorted that until Fae realised like last week or something xD but I don't really know what this means or what I can do now. Oh, and does my name need adding to the op list? Tia-Lewise 12:18, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Added, and yeah, most ops are added without fanfare. Type /msg chanserv help for a list of the commands you could ever have a practical use for. C A T U S E 13:36, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

That won't help as it will tell you nothing about how to ban or quiet or format a hostmask or kick or remove... or do anything you actually have power to do, in fact. Normal OPs can't use ChanServ commands because of how easily it can break things. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.png 16:27, September 12, 2014 (UTC)