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Knock yourself out kiddo (I feel like a 70-year old, I'm allowed to say it). --Hecko X 23:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

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Okay, kiddies. Let's take the conflict here.

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The 2nd/3rd Year

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If we can track down who began the tradition, I'd say the "Video/Picture/Whatever of the Week" fad is also fairly relavant and common now. Drake Clawfang


Doesn't anyone want to add in the year of the entrance of the revolutionary Gnomes? I mean, without us, users would still be making incorrectly tagged pages, links to disambigs, uncategorised templates and pages in need of cleanup.

Because of this, I've decided to return to the mainspace tomorrow. Also, people, it might be in your best interests to check talk pages. Especially mine, and BH's too but his get noticed more than mine. I'll just assume it's because you all hate me, and seem to love BH. Template:ILHI 23:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

"Revolutionary"? What is so revolutionary about "Gnoams"? There is nothing revolutionary about "Gnoams". In fact, they are no more better than normal users. They are only a bit more hardworking, or have more time in their hands than most, is all >;3 AJDurai 12:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
My main point was that we've been with been without the true Gnomes for two days and I've spotted many things not been done already. You can tell we don't rely on people adding content because of all the stubs we have :3.
I don't expect to get us mentioned on here, jus' this wiki had loads of cleanup issues before, and without they keep on adding. Template:ILHI 12:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
And how does mention of "Gnoams" in this page help in the "things being done in the wiki", I must wonder? >:3 AJDurai 12:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I decided to not do what I usually do to see how far this wiki falls in a short space of time. Though I still commented on talk pages, delivering my wise words on whether Forest should be the EoT forest, or a disambig for all forests. Which reminds me... Template:ILHI 12:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


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another sad notice hit the community with the departure of one of their best contributors, BlueHighwind.


  • Sad = Hardly. I'm surprised people even cared about him. He barely cared about you.
  • Best = Hardly. He contributed a lot of his efforts towards walkthroughs.

And who really cares about them? Honestly? I sometimes read walkthrough introductions, but I don't use them. GameFAQs walkthroughs are completed to a much higher standard.While editors such as Clawfang, 8bit, and the majority of the staff have contributed to the articles. While BH was playing through his games, he wasn't gathering information for enemy formations, getting information for our enemy articles, compiling lists of items from the games, or listing shops. Although he may have done some for VII, what's the chance it was at GameFAQs first?

BH is a self-proclaimed vandal. And he was even shit at that too.

Many people have been and gone from the wiki. GB2K didn't get a mention on the mainpage. I don't know what the people like Renmiri and Lycentia are up to, but I haven't seen them in time. MMIL gets "Only three weeks later, on April 27th, Mymindislost also left the Wiki.". Not "Sadly, just three weeks later, the memorable SysOp, Mymindislost, left the wiki."

If you want to throw whatever you want at me, you can. BH was a bitch. I may be too, but my name's not on the project page, is it?

I wanted to write something on his user talk page, but he archived everything, so it won't be as fun. And if you want to accuse me of being a coward of sorts, and not saying this to his face and only saying it while he's gone: you've missed a lot of conversations. I'm also an angry man. Heh, "angry man" sounds a bit like "ahriman" if you pronounce it "Ah-ree-man". I'm not sure how you're supposed to pronounce it, but that's how I do. Template:ILHI 19:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, he may be a bit vulgar and he isn't exactly everybody's cup of tea. But he has done a fine service for this wiki and he has contributed. You can't begrudge him of that. I know you'll miss him, ILHI. There's nobody to argue with now! Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 19:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah. Which is part of the reason I bothered to complain. ;D Template:ILHI 15:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
It is my intention when I get the time to rewrite some parts of the History page to give it a different style, to make it more like a chronicle, not a dashboard where we paste random notes "user:blah left on the 34th of Gemini". Whether you like it or not, BH was a great contributor and he gets a mention, so others, like Lycentia or CSM should get a mention too. Whether you're a bitch or no, you're name is going on the project page the minute you leave as well. Faethinte audio 20:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Aww, thanks. :3 Template:ILHI 15:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
For the first time, I agree with ILHI. Blue has done good things for the Wiki but not as much as people say, many people here deserves the respect the respect that BH have around here but you probably won't care what I'm saying right now (like in most of the conversations). --TenzaZangetsu 19 August 2009 (UTC)
BlueHighwind has been at least a year and three quarters over your own time being around Tenza. You should ponder these things, along with his edit count. Faethinte audio 23:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
He had a high editcount, and his user talk page is one of the highest edited pages on the wiki, and he's probably welcomed the most users. I'm sure his mainspace edits were probably higher before we moved everything into walkthrough space. And he still has a higher mainspace count than most actually. I never said he wasn't a good contributor, except just now. A while back on his talk page, I wrote a list if how "content contributive" our users were. And BH ended up as the most, just ahead of Drake. Although the way I worked that out isn't really very accurate. Template:ILHI 15:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have to say, after reading that last Tales from the Q?, whatever respect I once had for him is gone. Sockpuppetry, vandalizing as an anon, hijacking other accounts....that is beyond disgraceful. It's depressing how one of our most prominent users turned out to be the Vandal he aspired to be after all...but yeah, it seems odd to note his departure here, when other users of equal or greater status aren't mentioned at all. Sounds like a response to his own declaration he isn't important enough to be mentioned in the history. 04:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
So what if he was vandal at heart? That doesn't change the amount of time or work he put into contributing. I'll be the first to say that if BH's grand scheme did come to frutition, I would be sitting here laughing my ass of as he destroyed the wiki we worked so hard to create. Let it be known that I'm not defending him in any way, rather, I think some of you might be overexaggerating when weighing his pros against his cons. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
"destroyed the wiki", WTF? He did nothing. He made one vandal edit as his IP, which he then reverted. In the early days, from what I've gathered from talkpages, he was extremely racist and discriminated against and insulted everyone. He used another account which did nothing at all. And it was pretty obvious it was him. So, no. He has not destroyed the wiki, nor as he even got close.
Where every edit I make tries to help the wiki in any one way (bar some talkpages where I'll just argue with someone to humour myself, heck, even the first edit to this section is slightly helping the wiki). Template:ILHI 15:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
You misunderstood me. Read Blue's last Tale from the Q?, then re-read my comment. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I already have. And no, I didn't misunderstand you, he did not "destroy the wiki" or get anywhere close. Template:ILHI 18:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I never said he did. Blue stated that if he was granted Adminship, then he would destroy the wiki. Then I would lmao. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I have a habit of reading two sentences, or two clauses, and not connecting them together. Which is why when I read long bits of text, I don't understand it.
Still, if BH tried anything, it wouldn't get far. A few page deletions, quickly reverted. Vandalisms: can be reverted by anyone. Banning SysOps: They can unban themselves. Diablo/CSM/Shane(:3) just has to log in, revoke rights, instate ban. And Wikia staff can do the same. And BH isn't actually that clever, and he'd probably unleash his vandalism straight after he got his rights, and wouldn't wait until a time of day where Diablo wouldn't be on. Template:ILHI 12:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Can we not mar the History talk page with speculation on what BlueH would do? 8bit 14:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
If you're not contributing to an argument, then get out of this discussion >;3 Template:ILHI 16:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with that, DSS. While I'd obviously be utterly horrified if the Wiki were destroyed, if it was Blue doing it I might just get extremely close to actually rooting for him as he tore it down! -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 12:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: I know why you moved my comment, ILHI, but I put it up there because down here it's distanced from the context -- SN
It's correct WikiFormat. It makes discussions easier to understand. A lot of the time, in discussions, people will just keep adding another colon and replying below even if they aren't replying to the comment above, but an earlier comment. Template:ILHI 13:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


Why are the 8000 and 9000 milestones noted? We shouldn't note every multiple of 1000 edits. I suggest 500-1000-5000-10000, and maybe every 2500 edits from hereon. We should also note 2500, if someone can track down which article that was. Drake Clawfang 02:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

100, 250, 500, 750, 1000, 2500, 5000, 7500, 10000, 12500, 15000, 175000, 20000 etc. That's what I'd do. And it's not "edits", it's "articles.
There would be an easy way to find out, had Special:NewPages not only gone down to the 28th July. But still, that wouldn't take into account that articles have been deleted since, meaning the true 250 could be the 120th article by now. Template:ILHI 11:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

End Game

Why is End Game being noted? Was she really that important? Personally I think that if we're going to give End Game that much credit and attention, we should also give the members of the Wiki back then that delt with her, some credit, including BlueHighwind. (Someone give me a reason why we'd even give note of End Game in our history archive.) -- The God of Death

Dealt with her? Ha! Don't make me laugh. BH was End Game's guinea pig, because I think of the right term. Lemming? End Game is a big part of the wiki history because almost every editor knows her name, for reasons that aren't prominent editor. BH was a prominent editor, but the only thing he has done is start the fads and leave. They're the only notable things he has done.
Listing the people who came in to contact with her gives her more credit on the history page. She deserves to be on there, but all the other editors who ran into the trap, there are loads of them. BH just happens to be a dick, who managed to get himself caught in the trap a lot more. Template:ILHI 13:21, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
So we're promotoing vanadlism here now? Cause as much destruction and chaos as you can and maybe you too can have a mention in our wiki's glorious history!
No, that isn't right. By listing her on there, it makes her look more important than all of our helpful, vandal-fighting, contributing editors who get no mention, and that's unjust. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 13:52, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
How the fuck is it promoting vandalism? And she was barely a vandal anyway. No. It doesn't say that all the editing is more important: It just doesn't stand out. Every day we receive 400 contributive editors. Once every few years do we get something as legendary as End Game. We have had 200+ helpful editors. We have had one End Game. Template:ILHI 14:19, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
I'd still like to know who the hell she is. Drake Clawfang 16:13, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


As wonderful as this idea was, we can't show this until it's spelling is 100% perfect. I'm taking it down in the mean time. Faethinte audio 22:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Embarrassing misreading of Kipling aside, are you guys going to list people on that little War Memorial on this page, or just leave it as a Tomb of the Anonymous Editor, i.e.: this for all those who edited this wiki who never achieved any kind of major prominence? --BlueHighwind 14:10, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
I've been wondering about that too. The lines and large gap below the text do give quite a strong impression that there might be names added to it, although the image would have to be edited ad infinitum for that. I also suspect that there would be considerable disagreement over what names would go on it. In fact, if the list didn't contain the name of every single editor ever to make a positive contribution to the wiki, it would be at odds with the memorial message, would it not? Obviously, that would be a hell of a long list, and would also change ad infinitum -- Sorceror Nobody 14:39, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


The three staff members in charge of MM2 agree (BH's sarcasm of declaring Refia the winner not withstanding, I know for a fact Fae agrees) that since the final battle was held under DNC rules, the anon votes are valid and Terra won 50 votes to 48. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 13:28, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

I can't understand why the rules were changed for the final in the first place. It's like saying for the Football World Cup Final the fans in the crowd are allowed run on the pitch and score goals. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 13:40, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
The rules were changed because TA was adamant about using the DNC rules for the final round over the MM2 rules used for the rest of the fights. He repeated this demand twice on his talk page and in correspondence with Diablocon when negotiating the location of the finals - I've still got the email from Diablo himself stating the DNC rules were to be used. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 13:42, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
And as stated, firstly, it would be a draw if all DNC rules were to be used, therefore Vivi wins. And secondly, if TA were to repeat the "IPs can't change the victor of a battle" rule he said he had used before, then Vivi wins. Or you could use MMII rules, then Vivi wins. Or you could make up your own rules where we allow cheating and Terra wins. You'd love that. 13:44, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
Once again you assume cheating with no proof. As for "IPs can't change the victor of a battle", that was never a rule, that is something TA made up and never mentioned until now. I'm quite sure no one else was ever aware of this "rule" and never agreed to such a thing. The tie rule was the only one specifically asked to be ignored in favor of having a clear winner declared. Even so, having it be declared a tie is still a far more fair verdict than an unprecedented last-minute change of heart. And you can bitch at me ILHI all you like - I know for fact many other users agree the verdict is unfair. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 13:48, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
Of course they think it's unfair. This is TacticAngel, half the vocal wiki-base have something against him (for similar reasoning). Secondly, a pretty clear Terra victory becomes a draw (in which case the defending champion has successfully defended his title by not being beaten). No one likes to see something so great snatched away from them at the last second. So no doubt Terra voters aren't going to like it. Thirdly, BH hates TA, you love Terra and hate TA, Fae doesn't like the fact that the ruleset was changed at the last minutes.
But it was never changed. When there's blatant cheating, you can't call a victory. You've found when there's been cheating you've had to redo battles in MMII, right? Except here it's more clear-cut. The IP votes are hugley disproportionate to the registered users. This doesn't ordinarly happen.
Now, TA isn't going to allow this, and we don't exactly have time for a rematch. He references a past match where there was a similar thing going on, which I believe I remember, where IP votes were eliminated so IPs didn't skew the result so much. He did it there for the same reasons. Regardless of this been a stated rule, whenever it happens, TA does something about it. It is a rare occurrence. 14:03, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
Well if TA had been so stubborn about using his rules when borrowing his DNC for a week or however long it lasted, then surely you could have used the MM forum to host the final like all the other fights before it where you can keep your rules. There was still nothing stopping you advertising MM on the front page so you'd probably get the same number of votes as you did on the DNC, minus the anon votes of course. We certainly wouldn't have all this aggro.
Remember whoever wins matters not. It's the fairest result that matters the most. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 13:52, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
Agreed completely. If TA had said right from the start we wouldn't be using anon votes, or if Vivi just plain had more votes even with anons, I'd accept it. But to demand one ruleset and then change your mind at the last minute is cheating, plain and simple. As for where to host the finals, we want the DNC due to the finals for the first MM being held there. If I'd known TA would cause such controversy yes, in hindsight we should have just done them in the forums as the other fights were done. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 13:56, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
But the rules weren't changed. You just got served by an unwritten rule. There was blatant cheating for at least one IP Terra vote. What stops there being more? Voting as a logged-out user is very simple. 14:03, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
Oh ILHI, do you rehearse these magnificent speeches of yours or do they just come to you in the heat of the moment? But I digress, and should not resort to petty insults.
Unwritten rules = bullshit, and you know it, if it's a rule it should be stated. I dare you to find one single person besides TA on the Wiki who knew of this anon voting rule before this fight. This rule also begs the logical question of why we let anon users vote at all if we're going to disregard their votes when they influence the result, such a rule renders anon votes entirely pointless. As for the cheating, again what proof is there of cheating? Two similar IPs is hardly proof, it's suspicious yes but even then the vote is just 49.5 instead of 50. Now, if four of the IP votes or more were cheating votes, that's a matter to look at, and if we have to we can take all those IPs to Wikia and ask them to check if any of them are actually users.
"Secondly, a pretty clear Terra victory becomes a draw (in which case the defending champion has successfully defended his title by not being beaten)" - this is not a rule, never was, never discussed, never agreed upon by anyone. It's thus entirely irrelevant so I don't know why you're bringing it up. If TA is going to start making up rules on the spot and claiming they were just "unwritten" and didn't mention them before, why even bother with the DNC since he's going to do as he pleases regardless of votes?
And if you're going to accuse us of bias, look at TA too, who hates me, has no respect for Fae, hates FF6 and loves Vivi. Nothing to comment on that? And it isn't just Terra voters who are unhappy with this. DoreikuKuroofangu - Visit the Soul Shrine! 14:14, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
Aah Drake, as I wrote more of these replies, I realise just how pointless all of this is. It was always meant to be a lighthearted tournament. I suppose we can sort of blame TA for all of this. But what he did is justifiable.
I suppose "unwritten rule" isn't the best thing to call it, more of an act of precaution of sorts. Just like I don't remember reading in the MMII rules that if people are found to be using sockpuppets which turns the result of a match, we have to backtrack and try to patch-up the tournament to where it would have been had these users not used those sockpuppets. Unwritten rule... I mean, you don't expect it to happen right? Same thing for TA in his DNC. It happened once before, then also as an act of precaution. This being the second time, maybe he's more inclined to make it rule. Or if you think about how many matches in ratio to how many times this has happened, it's nothing you really think of putting in the rules.
DNC rules were to be kept. Yes. I'm sure what TA's reasoning was. I'd take a long shot at the fact that it's in the DNC. IPs may come back regularly to vote in the DNC. To find they can't vote because someone wanted to use the DNC for a round, not what they want to be told.
Of course, IPs votes were nulled anyway. I think TA stated that IPs can cause a winner, or push a victory into a draw, but not change it from a loss into a win. Or whatever his statement was. Meh.
As for "having defended title by not being beaten" statement, well it's fact. No one wants a draw. But if there is, then the person who holds the title hasn't lost it so they still have it. Of course, we never wanted a draw.
But you know what? I don't care about the DNC. I don't care about MMII. I don't care about arguments that get nowhere. And seriously, you call me ILHI just to try to piss me off. I've told you I don't like it, you actively go to "User talk:JBed" to ask me questions, it's not like it's that hard for you to realise what you're saying. But if you must continue, I might just start referring to you as "cunt".
Goodbye. 23:38, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

I think some people are forgetting that Vivi was never a part of MM2 and that the final battle was for shits and giggles only. There is no "title to defend", and if there was, Vivi would have been included in the whole thing as opposed to just the bonus fight. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 00:12, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

User Arena Fad

I noticed today that this article is missing a huge fad that is currently diffusing rapidly, and is very active. I'm talking about user arenas, you've surely seen them crowding the Recent Changes or Wiki Activity. I've created a draft below, please revise and recopy if you need to, and leave your comments so that we can add this to the article. Much obliged, DTN 00:05, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

On May 4, 2009, Sorceror Nobody created the first user-run arena, completely separate from the official Dragon's Neck Colosseum. Sorceror Nobody chose fights with no requirements; it was simply whatever fit his fancy, including such original matches as "Feolthanos Exultant vs. The Moogle Siblings", "Kefka and the Warring Triad vs. Arceus and the Legendary Dragons", and even "Cloud's Subconscious vs. Cyan's Soul". Eventually, other user arenas came about similar to the Flan's Elbow Colosseum created originally, with the same purpose to provide more fights than the Dragon's Neck Colosseum, as well as to offer abstract and unusual debates. The rate of user arenas being created surged during the four months Magicite Madness II took place, resulting in over fifteen wiki-hosted user arenas, with more still being added today.

Couple of historical corrections to make, as it were.

  1. The Flan's Elbow Colosseum was far from the first user arena. I know that Captain Darkblade's Wyrm Skull Arena predates mine; what is true, however, is that mine was totally independent, as I was unaware of any other arenas when I made it. Nonetheless, I hope I am not wrong in assuming that mine was the first to really gain popularity; the first that took itself a bit more seriously... while simultaneously not seriously at all, if you know what I mean :P I am also fairly confident that the FEC was very much a factor in precipitating the creation of many of the arenas that are among the biggest now. Especially considering that many of them use, or did use, a layout derived from mine.
  2. As far as I know, the surge in arenas was at least partly triggered by Kupohunter's boycott, which was in turn a result of increasing frustration at TA's handling of the DNC. I don't think MMII had much to do with it, although I could be wrong. Of course, there is technically nothing wrong with stating that the surge occurred during MMII, but it could imply a causal connection where one does not necessarily exist.

To summarise, I cannot honestly claim that mine was the first user arena, but I have no problem in being credited as the creator of the first one to be really successful, and a notable factor in the development of the fad :P -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 00:56, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

No mention of the Palamecia Arena? SN's arena was around for almost a year before mine came around, and the fad started shortly after mine started. Hm... --ShirubaKurono Dissicon ff13 Lig3.png 01:55, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
The first one to announce the arival of a rush was Battles at The Big Bridge, then followed by the Cyber Zero Arena... A huge avalanche of user arenas followed in about a week. What also helped with this, was the user Kupohunter's boycott of the DNC... How's that? Gil's Page - Colosseum - Master - Blog - Talk 02:11, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
Well, the point is that the FEC cannot have been part of the fad because it was an entirely independent creation, whereas the first group of arenas that emerged before the boycott-era flood were partly derived from – and, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, largely inspired thanks to – the FEC. It's hardly fair to point to the year between the founding of the FEC and Palamecia Arena, as that fails to take into account exposure. Don't forget that, for a large chunk of that year, the FEC was inactive due to my Wikibreak, and that you only encountered the FEC a short while before founding the Palamecia Arena. Also, the starting audience for the Palamecia Arena was largely composed of the audience that the FEC had spent a year accumulating, ne? Still, I'm not being smug, merely trying to be factual, and this is not to say that I disagree with you. I certainly think it wouldn't hurt to mention the Palamecia Arena as being the first to follow my lead, and probably mention one or two others, but we don't want to overdo it. We hardly need a list of the order in which they were started, do we? Then again, it might be the case that, despite my attempts to not be egocentric, I'm viewing this through Flan-tinted spectacles, ne? We need an independent witness, as it were :P
On an unrelated note... again, not trying to be smug, but... I do wonder whether Sorceror l'Cie are beginning to reach fad status. It's certainly grown far beyond the little sort-of-joke between friends that it began as, and I think the fact that I am beginning to have to look more critically at my applicants to try and keep the numbers under control is a sign that it's getting a bit big. Still, it's probably far too much of a specific thing to qualify. Several users run arenas, and many users vote in them, whereas there is only one user controlling their own l'Cie... although the l'Cie themselves span quite a range of users, so that possibly brings it back into multi-user territory. Ah, whatever, I am merely taking a whimsical excursion of musing, not remotely suggesting that it be added : ) -- Sorceror Nobody 03:00, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
I definitely agree that user arenas are at fad status. I have no idea what the l'Cie thing is about, though. No offense. Master Conjurer 05:03, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it's a second run. The first surge of user tournaments occurred after the first Magicite Madness. The Pit of Useless Things was the biggest one, and is probably still floating around in user page archives. — YuanSalutActa 04:46, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Bluer's departure

Bluer left the wiki forever? I think not.Template:Catuse167/sig05:05, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

He did. For a very long time. But no user really leaves the wiki. No matter how big their departure was made to seem. 13:15, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
Although it's not like he's exactly done much recently. Which is bad, since he's been one of the best admins here. 13:17, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
Well, that's true, although I wouldn't call completely purging the 500+ page Articles for Deletion Category right before we voted on new admins "not much recently". Still, you're right. But he did not "leave the wiki forever".Template:Catuse167/sig16:04, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember reading that "big long goodbye". It should win a Tony award.

Bluer's still around. He's one of those guys who's "got it in his blood". If we ever lost him completely, it would be a big loss. ▫ Sir ISStalk 16:17, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

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