Final Fantasy Wiki:Dragon's Neck Colosseum

Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

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Week 131: Drain v. Osmose

WINNER! Undecided	It's another spell battle: Drain versus Osmose or Aspir or Syphon or whatever you want to call it. Which is more useful?				WINNER! Undecided
Votes for Body MP is good but HP is necessary Flaremmm Only in FFVI, to my knowledge, are there things that can die by running out of MP. Stealing HP, on the other hand, is actually productive (especially considering that Osmose requires MP anyway. Speaking of which, welcome to the Department of Redundancy Department. The.DreadnoughT 23:00, September 10, 2009 (UTC) So many creatures don't even have MP. Why prefer something when it isn't even there half the time. You can find HP on creatures everywhere you go, so Drain can help you anytime that mage has critical health. - Ninja of Wind - Blykus 16:16, September 11, 2009 (UTC) I don't use either often, but PSI Magnet (Mother series) is indefinately better than Osmose. An MP-stealing spell using MP makes no sense, no matter how low an MP cost it is. Pikmin Master 16:20, September 11, 2009 (UTC) I have to vote for drain simply because I only use magic in boss fights, its never been an important part of my strategy I just tank everything, so osmosis was never really important.- Saraija Merinas Vivi is pretty damn deadly with Drain. Template:BfDsig I never use either much, but since I usually grind a lot throughout the whole game(s), I'm usually more of a physical attacker until the boss battles, so Drain would be more useful to me.--madaskueuchiha BlueLionheart (T/C) 18:01, September 12, 2009 (UTC) HP is better then MP because of many reasons. Mostly because you need HP to live and I dont use much Magic, besides in Final Fantasy VI and XII SuperGuyverUSA 5:56 September 12, 2009 (UTC) Remember Final Fantasy VIII? No MP there, and when you junctioned 100 Drains to ST-atk, you've had blood weapons! #SquallisbetterthanCloud 08:06, September 13, 2009 (UTC) MrAllStar2 : i never use osmose or drain, its called cure and ethers, but Kimahri's lancet is the closest thing i used to drain, and FFVIII doesnt use MP anyways Drain FTW. -wtdrmfrthwbzn Osmose never seems to work when I really need it... Drain isn't really much of a threat but I've definitely used it more. Terra_Homing 02:12, September 14, 2009 (UTC) Mhm. peanutthephantom 19:10, September 14, 2009 (UTC) I agree With The Dreadnort. Using a spell that requires MP to get MP is entirely redundant --RedMageSOLDIER 01:46, September 17, 2009 (UTC) Anonymous Votes The truth is I hardly ever use either spell, but when I do, I find Drain to be much more useful. I usually don't use a lot of magic, so I don't tend to run of MP too often, so when I do I can just use one Ether. Plus, Drain recovers HP which is more important than MP if you think about it. 206.248.110.71 01:48, September 12, 2009 (UTC)			Votes for Soul I hate having to use Ethers on mages, but this spell makes it so I don't have to.  Armageddon11!  12:18, September 10, 2009 (UTC) You can just use Cure to heal HP, Osmose is the only spell that restore MP.  NeoZEROX  12:20, September 10, 2009 (UTC) Ethers are too scarce and cost too much Gil. The worse that can happen to you if you use Osmose is lose 1 MP. Violetmage♥13:06, September 10, 2009 (UTC) Why waste Ethers when you can just nick your opponent's MP? Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 13:48, September 10, 2009 (UTC) Omg now I get to vote in the black background box 8D Vivi + Osmose = win. 8bit 13:51, September 10, 2009 (UTC) I only used Osmose in VI. I didn't use Drain ever. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 13:56, September 10, 2009 (UTC) More MP? AND the enemies can no longer afford to cast their spells? It's a win-win spell. ClixPsi Masamune: Drain doesn't hurt the enemy enough or heal the caster enough to be worth it. Osmose can come in handy in a tight spot. Drained of MP an enemy can't cast spells on you or harm you. Plus Drain sucks Hamfruitcake 09 19:25, September 10, 2009 (UTC) Drain spells neither dmg enemy enough or heal allies enough, osmose is much more powerful and mp is harder to restore. And its fun to kill magical enemy by depleting its mp. Johuotar 20:05, September 10, 2009 (UTC) Victory for one of the most deadly spells in FF. FinalAnnihilator 20:27, September 10, 2009 (UTC) Yes I do hate Osmose why do you ask? --Gamer2127 20:37, September 10, 2009 (UTC) Seriously, with Ethers usually hard to come by or very expensive, Osmore is just the better choice. Plus it usually costs next to no MP to cast. Osmose win my vote. TheBlueDragoon 21:00, September 10, 2009 (UTC) Boogum 22:25, September 10, 2009 (UTC) I don't use either one, but generally, Drain doesn't heal you that much. Osmose would save a lot of money, since Ethers are usually expensive. JohnnyC Don't use either often but osmose is the most useful of the two Cammy G 01:07, September 11, 2009 (UTC) most things i fought in most ff games had too little/no mp for this to be good, but simply from how good it was in vi, this easily wins. drain i never bothered with, especially after i found out i had a horrible habit of finding out a moment too late that my enemy was considered undead >_<Akbaroth 05:18, September 11, 2009 (UTC) Osmose so you have the MP to cast Curaja next turn User:Neosamuel I dont use either but MP is harder to get then HP so.... Mr_Darkside 12:48, September 11, 2009 (UTC) In some games eithers are so darn expensive.. better to just use a spell to do it.Bjarnster 21:31, September 11, 2009 (UTC) Free bird 13:54, September 11, 2009 (UTC) Due to my love of magic I vote for Osmose. At only 2 MP, you save yourself an expensive Ether/Hi-Ether. Can't go wrong with that! Just way more useful BoAKaN 13:54, September 11, 2009 (UTC) Chicken grease salt Bruntie2 16:04, September 11, 2009 (UTC) The more magic points you have , the more damage you can inflict on your enemies with spells much more powerful than Drain. It's easy to regain HP's. there was only one time i used drain consistently, and that was for a single battle in FFX when all my other party members were ejected from the battle, and I only had Rikku left. I just rotated drain and ultima with a double cast. but, other than that instance, I never use drain. I constantly use osmose.CodeNameRedXIII 16:45, September 11, 2009 (UTC) Personally, I LOVE osmose, sure it does not work very well in IV. But it is almost required for some of the games, hell, every time I play VI I get that as quickly as possible, and in II I always give it to my main caster. Exdeath64 18:27, September 11, 2009 (UTC) BlueHighwind ツ: I actually used this spell once... I think it was FFV, who knows? Actually, I almost never used either of these attacks, I was too busy casting a MAN'S spell like "Ultima". True Fact: your dick grows one millimeter every time you use "Ultima". Well Drain and Osmose aren't very good in FFX, but i prefer Osmose better, because it saves you from having to find ethers Destriker73 22:32, September 11, 2009 (UTC) Cloudiroth I never use either much, but I use Osmose much more than Drain (although, that's still extremely rarely). Legend of Fantasy 01:26, September 12, 2009 (UTC) Munk451 It is simple. Osmose is one VERY annoying spell if it is used on you, but if you use it on an enemy, it can be beneficial to you! Whilst Drain is for everyone, Osmose is a lifesaver (coz it actually drains a lot of MP) when you have a good mage (Vivi anyone?). Plus you save on those expensive Ethers.CheeseNinja 14:23, September 12, 2009 (UTC) Drain has no real use, Osmose is amazing in many games where MP restoration is hard. Especially FF6. FFIV: The After also comes to mind. Another landslide fight... -Nokareon I value mp over hp. Enough said.FF74EVA! 18:28, September 12, 2009 (UTC) Wanna know why Black Mages have MP Absorb in FFX-2? Yeah. That's what I thought. Now if the White Mages have Osmose, it would definately be win!--Cluna 06 18:44, September 12, 2009 (UTC) Sunpanda2012 Just Attacking does more damage than Drain. Enemies usually can't replenish MP, so draining it from them with osmose is better.Ascendant of Dusk 20:48, September 12, 2009 (UTC) Voting for this since Rasp is closer to Osmose. (And as any FF VI player knows, Rasp is the killer; regaining MP to heal also seems like a better idea.) --Silver Mage 02:42, September 13, 2009 (UTC) Osmose has saved me soooo many times while drain has done nothing but be a crappy weak attack NeoExdeath 03:14, September 13, 2009 (UTC) Osmose was a lifesaver in FFII. I've never found Drain useful outside of junctions. Avieure 09:18, September 13, 2009 (UTC) Drain has never healed enough damage to become a really useful spell in no FF game: but Osmose can make a mage -execially a black mage- nearly unstoppable. Osmose and Cure makes a character self sufficient. - Henryacores^ 17:23, September 14, 2009 (UTC) why leech hp for little health and little damage when you can leech mp for much more worthwhile effects. onion knight From the FFXII standpoint, Syphon is vay better than drain. Curaja and Attacking normally is so much easier and efficient because it does more both ways. However it's nice to take a reserve character out and drink up their MP like a straw to give it to someone else. --wee187 20:02, September 15, 2009 (UTC) Because it can actually be useful Yzz 01:57, September 16, 2009 (UTC) Maverick Riot 10:29, September 16, 2009 (UTC) Almost put Drain, then I remembered Syphon in FXII and how brilliant that was if used well... against your allies... Because HP can be healed with MP, and drain does low damage. KaiserPaladin 08:54, September 17, 2009 (UTC) I slide today with more vocal majority on this one :) Drain is nice addition to Cure, but only equivalent to Osmose are Ethers, and they are in some games pain in the ass to get... MMLN メーマウリアン 11:18, September 18, 2009 (UTC) Wow, what a BORING match. But anyway, Osmose is definetly more useful. A spell that costs 0MP and grants you more MP is much more of a lifesaver than a spell that steals HP... Simply because, there are lots of damaging spells, lots of healing spells and absolutely no MP restoring spells. *tries to imagine a flying ball of HP and MP going at it* Exciting. No78 There's nothing like casting Osmose in IV or VI and taking your MP from 3 to 394, especially if you then turn around and retaliate with Ultima or Flare ;). Drain can't TOUCH that -Freelancer Jay I don't even care that I get the MP. I just want to make sure that the opponent can't use magics, so that I can beat him down at my leasure. And in star ocean, no MP is the same as no HP so I still win, just faster.--Werefang[T/A] 13:17, September 18, 2009 (UTC) Anonymous Votes Though I've never thought to use it for this, Osmose is the perfect way to regain MP. After all, the only way to restore MP outside of an inn or tents is with an Ether, or an even rarer Elixer. They're rare and/or expensive, which is why people, such as myself, tend not to use them except for boss battles or not at all. HP can be healed any number of ways. Plus, in terms of which one is more devastating, Osmose cast on my mages is far worse than Drain being cast on any of my characters. So in my book Osmose is a superior spell to Drain. 173.63.176.221 Osmose is clearly more usefull... drain sometimes won't work (in certain games) and you need mp to cast it... osmose is to regain mp and if you have healing spells you can just use them... Osmose is ultimate pwnage81.193.212.48 15:55, September 12, 2009 (UTC) Why wait 3 disks to buy an ether when i could steal my MP from a flan? I can restore my HP from the beginning of the game! It is better to use your MP for strong magics and strong cure spells instead of using drain. Since drain heals and deals a small amount of damage 121.223.138.79 08:59, September 17, 2009 (UTC) Osmose has probably been used more then Drain for many uses such as regular black magic or in some cases white magic and summons which are much more helpful then draining about a hundred HP specially later in the game where you are in your thousands then Osmose helps by casting powerful nuclear powered black magic or overpowered summons or heal THOUSANDS with a Curaga if the user has both.

Peanut Gallery

I want to point something out. There are plenty of ways to replenish a characters HP; namely, any version of the Cure spells, any of those different types of potion, and Drain. Most of which are very easy to get a hold of. MP, however, only has ethers (which tend to be either exceedingly rare, or in a limited number) and Osmose. So, in the sense that Osmose is the best way to regain MP, but there is better ways of recovering HP, Osmose is better than Drain. I also point out that while Elixirs and the such regain both, they are rarer than even ethers. So yeah.  Armageddon11!  12:29, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I prefer spells that steal both HP and MP. Like Lancet or Absorb. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 13:50, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as how my strategy usually revolves around heavy casting, this was an easy choice. It was a good suggestion. Definitely something new. TheBlueDragoon 21:02, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I limit myself on casting. Like I mensioned in my vote above, you can't always count on enemies having the MP that you need, so conserving it until you get to the next town or until you can blow it all on the next boss fight seems like a better strategy. - Ninja of Wind -

Some of my strategies rely on heavy casting. In some games MP is ripe for the picking (FFVI) whereas in other games (FFIV) Osmose barely is worth mentioning. I can recall draining several hundred MP at time from regular enemies in FFVI, but a regular enemy in FFIV gives maybe 5 or 10 MP. Ethers are expensive in that game as well. So yeah, what I'm trying to say is that the game determines my strategy. TheBlueDragoon 02:43, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this is just me, but I kind of hope the next battle is less of a one-sided battle. :/ ClixPsi Not voting. The battle is sort of meh, but that's not why. In general, neither spell is very good. Depends on the enemy, depends on the game. That being said, Lancet wins.Neo Bahamut 01:40, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Abstaining from voting since this was my proposal. Plus I like both spells too much to have to pick a favorite. x.x -- File:FFIII-nes-sage.gif Saethori ^{(T / C)} - 18:09, September 11, 2009 (UTC) I vote lance Oni Dark Link 18:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

now that i think about it i never used these spells, except to test em out (thats once each). Flaremmm

Damn, this is the third one sided fight in a row. I'm not complaining, its a damn good fight, I'm just making a general observation. TheBlueDragoon 00:24, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I am filled with sadness. And MP. But mostly sadness. -- File:FFIII-nes-sage.gif Saethori ^{(T / C)} - 05:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

It was a shame the Sin vs. Vegnagun battle was so one-sided. That was a good match-up, & I personally liked Vegnagun. At the very least, he's unique among FF bosses. It was essentially a sentient WMD that could have potentially destroyed the main antagonist, if everyone wasn't too scared to use it. The unfortunate thing is that Drain usually heals much too little to be a useful spell. Osmose, on the other hand, usually costs little to no MP to use and, while I didn't use it much either, could be a bit more helpful, depending on the game.Neo Bahamut 15:31, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

It was very one-sided. Sadly, we have yet another one sided fight. The only game I use Osmose is FFVI, and that's the only game it actually has a use in. FFIV it barely works late game. In FFX, you can usually only steal about 100 at a time, and then you're sunk when that's gone. Lancet is a good move, and it usually heals more than a Drain or Osmose spell. TheBlueDragoon 17:17, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, one of the arguments against that Genesis vs. Kuja fight I want so badly is that it'll probably be one-sided. But I think we're beginning to see that there's really no way of knowing that until it happens. VI, the only reason I could think of to use Osmose was for the few enemies that died when their MP ran out, but I didn't know which ones those were at the time, & even if I did, I could deal HP damage so much faster. X, the way it was handled there was just retarded. Each enemy had a preset amount of MP, which was usually very small, although none of their skills actually used it. So, when you used Osmose, you didn't weaken your foe at all, & you barely gained anything. Ironically, this is one of the games that drain was slightly more useful in. But I think I only had Mindy use it, & I used it a bit in the Evrae battle, & that was about it.Neo Bahamut 18:18, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I could see a lot of battles being one-sided. I think Kuja versus Genesis would be one hell of a fight. And yes, in X, the enemies had preset MP and once it was gone that was it, you had to use Ethers. FFVI was the best way to use Osmose. Ultima Weapon was a famous example of the MP kill rule. I know this because I was replaying the game last night and I wiped out his MP. Anyway, Lancet is usually the better choice when available, but I still stand with Osmose. TheBlueDragoon 19:40, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Honestly I find both spells completely useless. The only time I've ever had to use them was in desperation during a boss battle, and they barely give me anything.--DarkTriforce 18:03, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Both spells per-se are just lame, the cool thing is to use its side-effects (Drain junctioned to attack, HP/MP Absorb materia, Spellblade...). In these cases, one usually excels and the other is just barely useful, guess which?Zak Undersn 13:33, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...toughie. Only used Drain in VIII (as a status attack junction) and Osmose in XII (yes, I know it's called Syphon there, but hey) and even then only during superbosses and the like. I don't use them enough really be fair to either. Plus I only use Lancet in X if I desperately need the MP (Dark Magus Sisters, for example) TomServo101 15:04, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about osmose's MP requirement, but as long as you don't fuck things up, you lose like...2. And, in Crisis Core, it costs 0 MP. Just seems like kind of a moot point, to me.Neo Bahamut 02:08, September 17, 2009 (UTC) |}

Week 130: Steiner v. Wakka

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WINNER! Steiner 56½ to 21½	Both of these guys have a good heart... but they both come across as a bit hapless.
Votes for Steiner Steiner easy. He's from the better game and more importantly the better character, he's also unintentionally hilarious. Wakka is one of the cooler FFX character, however. AnonyMan 05:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Faethinte audio : Religious zealots with stupid weapons ftfl. I see this guy better.Kuzlalala Squee! 09:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Whoever voted for Wakka should perish. Kyrel 11:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Steiner was pretty beastly with his sword arts, rare super-strength trance, and his magic sword abilities with Vivi. Sure, his best weapon required some major hacks/elite skills (Excalibur II *glare*), but he was an easy to utilize character. Wakka, on the other hand, seemed less important. Tidus eventually became fast enough to hit the ranged enemies, and Wakka's strength and speed always seemed mid-of-the-road. Plus, his best overdrive abilities come from far more blitzball playing than I could stomach. ClixPsi I love Ol' Rusty! This guy made FFIX a hilarious game, which is one of the reasons why I love it so much. Violetmage♥ 13:23, September 1, 2009 (UTC) I hate both, but since Rusty is from IX, there's no other choice... SquallisbetterthanCloud 14:01, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Steiner is my favorite character from my favorite game! Umbrella Officer i never played IX, i just hate wakka. dunno why, i just always got irritable every time his continued existence was proven.Akbaroth 15:53, September 1, 2009 (UTC) I vote for good old Rusty! Rusty and Vivi were the ultimate duo Bruntie2 16:45, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Wakka sucks!--Ltfabretti Dragoon 17:02, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Steiner has his own sound effect when ever he runs or jumps, carries a meaty big ass sword around with him and can kill something sooner than look at it. Wakka is a bigoted ball thrower. Hamfruitcake 09 17:35, September 1, 2009 (UTC) It's Rusty! How can I not vote for him, even if he is a loud-mouthed idiot?--StragusLore 17:39, September 1, 2009 (UTC) 'Cause Blitzball really annoys me, ya? The.DreadnoughT 20:21, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Wow... just wow... we really ARE running out of fights, aren't we? Wakka is made of fail, and Steiner gets to bone with Beatrix, so there.Winged Lion 20:49, September 1, 2009 (UTC) BlueHighwind ツ: Because one sucks, and one is awesome. Everybody to my right is a moron. Even though I like both characters, Steiner just edges it out for me. He had a good story and he was just a better character overall. Plus he has a cool nickname. Rusty. Anyway, I vote Steiner. This is a good fight. TheBlueDragoon 21:44, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Mystic Knight. Done. Pikmin Master 21:51, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Masamune: HAHAHAHAHA! Too FUNNY! Steiner was goofy. Wakka was just annoying as Hell. JohnnyC I am a huge fan of Wakka, but Steiner has more power. SuperGuyverUSA 7:49, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Personality wise, both are very similar, with Steiner blindly following Brahne and Wakka blindly following Yevon (which is why I suggested this fight), but Steiner has more comic relief, and that is where my vote lies. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 00:03, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Steiner >>>> Wakka. And Beatrix's heart belongs to him :3 Karu This guy actually has the sense to fight with a sword instead of a blitzball. He is definatly the better character.- Ninja of Wind - Clank clank clank. Template:BfDsig Overly religious, bigoted zealot with a ball for a weapon or a fighter with a name I can stand? Mmmm... Bangaa Red Mage 01:54, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Sure, Steiner's clueless, but, if anything, you can at least say he was dedicated to his sworn duty. -- File:FFIII-nes-sage.gif Saethori (T / C) - 03:19, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Steiner. Extremely useful throughout the game, and also, DOOMSDAY SWORD... I dunno, he's also much funnier. -Nokareon Cloudiroth Love Steiner, hate Wakka. Easy one. Rusty is one of the best characters in IX, not only because he's a heavy hitter, but also because, without him, there would be only half as many funny moments in the game. Silver Dragon XXVIII 19:52, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Are you KIDDING ME!?! Steiner has so much on Wakka! He's the strongest (generally speaking) character in FFIX and has such a funny, yet noble and admirable character. Wakka is kinda like... a lesser version of that. Yzz 21:06, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Leogon255 23:46, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Princess! Princess! Princess! 8bit 00:02, September 3, 2009 (UTC) Either Wakka, the stupud racist, or Steiner, the hopless knight. At least Steiner has good taste in women.--Xepscern 01:56, September 3, 2009 (UTC) Steiner= Love Boogum 02:49, September 3, 2009 (UTC) We all love Rusty. --wee187 04:31, September 3, 2009 (UTC) FF9 FTW!!!!!!!!! NeoExdeath 07:19, September 3, 2009 (UTC) -SHOCK! -ロル Lol Cakes オケス 11:16, September 3, 2009 (UTC) That concept art of Steiner by Yoshitaka Amano is the best concept art hes done for a Final Fantasy. That being said, Steiner is more unique than people think considering his kind of story has only been explored by another Final Fantasy character once (Basch). I think Steiner's one of the best characters in the game, considering he breaks the traditional mold of the loyal knight eventually and develops his own reasons for serving Alexandria. Also, Steiner can wield the most powerful weapon in Final Fantasy IX and one of the most powerful weapons in all of Final Fantasy. Adelbert Okay, first off, I hate these two evenly. the onlt reason I'm voting for Steiner is because he's a knight. what the fuck is Wakka? A Sport-class? Derum Steiner is a knight with the silly one-mindedness that is the ultimate comedic releif character. I'm surprised Wakka's scoring as well as he is. Legend of Fantasy 19:46, September 3, 2009 (UTC) Sunpanda2012 Really easy to decide, Rusty is just awesome.- Saraija Merinas Two words: Pickle Fetish. Bwahaha! -Zidane19 I really like both characters, but Steiner just wins out. Avieure 03:54, September 4, 2009 (UTC) Zenigata! Steiner is a good character, I like him.Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 15:19, September 4, 2009 (UTC) I vote Steiner. At least he has a real weapon. Wakka's ball will hardly even hurt Steiner. Dragoon Knight Clink, Clink. I vote for Sir Rusts-A-Lot go Stiener!! Uoper 12 22:36, September 4, 2009 (UTC) Steiner is dumb and much weaker than Wakka, but Wakka is dumb AND racist AND bigot. Though I didn't use him much (his best abilities were entirely based on Vivi's presence in your party), I suppose I like the character better. Wakka was useful for a little while until your characters achieved a higher accuracy score. And I felt Wakka's character was a bit one-dimensional. CodeNameRedXIII 14:34, September 6, 2009 (UTC) Because people who are oblivious to the truth when its staring them in the face annoy me. Although Wakka is otherwise a truly awesome character. Plus, some of the funniest scenes in the game revolve around steiner. Bluesilver 14:06, September 8, 2009 (UTC) Steiner, hands-down! He'll cut that ball of Wakka's to shreds, and then go after his neck. VoidCommanderExdeath 22:05, September 8, 2009 (UTC) I did like the goofy islander too, but the hapless knight takes it. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L Anonymous Votes Gotta go with Rusty on this one. Despite his serious and stoic nature, he is easily one of the most humerous things about Final Fantasy IX. Besides, he has a good heart and is very honorable and noble. You've got to admire that. Not only that, but he gets Beatrix. Come on, just being able to land her as a girlfriend alone is enough to make good ol' Rusty superior. 173.63.176.221 FFIX is my fav and Steiner has those clanking noises you just can't beat ;P -maikyuu173.63.176.221 Wakka is from a better game, but Steiner is just better, for obvious reasons. Steiner wears armour, Wakka wears an ugly shirt. Steiner has a sword, Wakka has a beachball. Steiner worships Vivi, Wakka worships Yu Yevon (who just turns out to be the game's main villan.)-173.35.180.242 21:29, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Steiner is one of the funniest characters in any final fantasy game. 198.7.245.93 16:52, September 4, 2009 (UTC) Rusty FTW213.13.227.118 17:57, September 4, 2009 (UTC) Rusty--189.18.227.43 12:40, September 5, 2009 (UTC) Steiner was able to get Beatrix.All Wakka got was an old hag who used dolls as weapons.Steiner wins. 76.126.68.142			Votes for Wakka Gamer2127 05:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC) This vote stems from my inexplicable hatred of Steiner. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC) He's sort of a minor character in X, yet he's still better than a lot of major characters throughout the series.Neo Bahamut 06:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC Wakka is a way cooler name, though steiner isn't half bad, - I could say Wakka all day! Flaremmm Though I never see him again in KH, plus he married Lulu! - Silver Mage 11:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC) I like X more than IX. Besides, Wakka shut up for a bit, Rusty never did. TomServo101 11:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Steiner was kinda annoying(well very annoying) and besides Wakka is the best at killing aerial foes. Bjarnster 14:23 1 September 2009 (UTC) Rinoa leonheart 16:42, September 1, 2009 (UTC) O YA mmm steiner is too goofy... i prefer wakka 'cause he's also a blitzball player!Gilgamesh 18:56, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Soren 4ever 17:31, September 1, 2009 (UTC)This is a tough choice, both are from great games and are good characters; but I loved Wakka from the first time I saw him, whereas I had to grow to like Steiner. Sure, he's a racist douchebag, but for combat, he's pretty damn good. I gave one of his weapons stonestrike, poisonstrike, and darkstrike, which, while not equaling "Living Chainsaw" certainly made things easier to deal with. Now if I can just give him Quick Hit Exdeath64 18:59, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Not just another character wielding a sword BritPenance 11:46, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Steiner was a clichéd knight, while Wakka was an overzealous athlete. I go for originality. SamSandy 18:07, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Yes he has a ball as a weapon but its very useful if used rite Mr_Darkside 20:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC) him and tee-dus are gonna do a little explorin today Ningacom 20:26, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Go Wakka... TKOTL Wakka--DarkTriforce 22:32, September 3, 2009 (UTC) Wakka Wakka Wakka WAKKA! Kefka44 Wakka ya! Wakka didn't fail Lady Summoner as many times as ol' rusty did Garnet. He held his chocobos, ya? Rusty was a sticker. FinalAnnihilator 23:43, September 7, 2009 (UTC) I don't think that there's any way we're going to win this, but Wakka is the best! He just happened to awesome, and, though he was racist, he did pretty damn well in a fight. Plus he married Lulu!! Go Wakka!!!! Kami strife 13:25, September 9, 2009 (UTC) This is a really hard decision for me, because I didn't really like either character. I definately liked Final Fantasy IX more than Final Fantasy X, but I think I like Wakka better than Steiner because he is more of a bro. Both are definately stronger characters in their games, but I think that Wakka would win in a fight because I think of Steiner as being pretty clumsy and slow. Peanutthephantom 9:49, September 9, 2009 (UTC) Anonymous Votes 121.223.138.79 09:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Peanut Gallery I'm back. And I missed 2 good fights. Albeit, the whole Sin vs. Vegnagun thing was depressingly one-sided. In any case, I have no clue who Steiner is, but I doubt he developes as much as Wakka.Neo Bahamut 06:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC) Yay! My suggestion got honoured! Now, it's just the dilemma of who to vote for... Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 11:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC) This fight is pointless... btw, I though BH was long gone?? Am I having an illusion?Winged Lion 20:58, September 1, 2009 (UTC) Unless the Patriots are playing some cruel trick on us, no. The.DreadnoughT 22:45, September 1, 2009 (UTC) I think he's stil around, he's just not up to much and is no longer properly working at the wiki. The Man In The Black Cape 23:22, September 1, 2009 (UTC) I thought he left too. I remember him saying on the DNC page a few months back that he was leaving the Wiki. Its good that he's still around though. TheBlueDragoon 19:08, September 2, 2009 (UTC) Ouch! Another fight where I'll have to think. Good suggestion Jeppo. TheBlueDragoon 21:28, September 1, 2009 (UTC) This is another landslide...much like Sin and Vegnagun...after reading Steiner's comments, I felt stupid voting for Wakka... --Silver Mage 10:09, September 2, 2009 (UTC) What surprises me most is that this is a landslide. I never imagined it would be another landslide. Both are very good games, so it surprises me that Wakka is so hated.TheBlueDragoon 16:08, September 2, 2009 (UTC) I'm pretty sure it has something to do with his accent, ya? JohnnyC As well as that abomination, a lot of people seems to be dismissing him as racist. Now I'm not defending racism or eugenecism in any way shape or form, but that seems just a tad unfair seeing as Wakka grew up in a society that was practically homogenous, wherein he was completely indoctrinated by Yevon, which was the main Spiran establishment, so very few people would be prepared to speak up against it in any case, because they didn't know anything else. And besides, speaking out against or doubting Yevon in any way would have brought immediate and severe consequences, and not only that, but said person would be treated as a pariah by the entire community to boot (provided that they survived aforementioned consequences). Therefore, Wakka would have grown up trusting Yevon completely. The portrayal of Al Bhed as different to "normal" humans would not have helped either. As for the behaviour of the other characters, Tidus was a complete outsider, Yuna was 50% Al Bhed, Auron had long lost faith in Yevon, we never get to hear what Kimahri thinks (as far as I can remember), and Rikku is, of course, Al Bhed herself. Thus, they would have major reasons not to behave in a manner that would be considered normal to ordinary Spirans, which Wakka lacked. The only anomaly here is Lulu, but that might be just down to her character (she seems to question Yevon far more easily than anyone else) and her steadfast loyalty to Yuna. To summarise, Wakka acts this way because thats all he knows and was brought up to believe, an adequate analogy here being how someone born and bred in the Third Reich would respond to a Jew. And Wakka of course well and truly gets over this by the end of the game, so his ability to change so rapidly from his original position has to say something for him. The Man In The Black Cape 22:41, September 2, 2009 (UTC) While the above text is completely true, that doesn't explain the soccer ball that turns people into stone. Faethinte audio 23:55, September 2, 2009 (UTC) And a sword that summons meteors down from the sky makes so much more sense? -Nokareon The iconographic and mythological differences between a sword and a soccer ball should be quite apparent. Yes, it does make much more sense. In its context of High Fantasy, a sword may be magical. Can you honestly say the same about a sports ball? Faethinte audio 04:02, September 3, 2009 (UTC) Jesus Almighty, I started a rant. But to add my points, I never hated Wakka. I just like Steiner better. And yeah, there are magical swords. Excalibur, although it was the scabbard that was magical. Anyway, a ball that can petrify doesn't make a lot of sense. TheBlueDragoon 04:36, September 3, 2009 (UTC) No, it makes the same amount of sense. Swords and balls (while much less used) are both fantasy weapons. I have to give Wakka some points for originality here. He's not "typical knight, typical sword." - +DeadlySlashSword+ 11:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC) If they wracked their brains a little, I'm pretty sure they could've come up with a better weapon for Wakka than a ball. Did I mention how satisfying it was to beat the guy to a pulp in Kingdom Hearts? JohnnyC Aww the dopey character who had an affair with the fat, ugly, brainless queen is winning. Well, now we know what kind of women everyone here likes :>. BoAKaN 10:59, September 3, 2009 (UTC) Hmm, wait, what? Actually playing through IX reveals that Steiner and Beatrix fall in love with each other. I'm not sure Beatrix would appreciate being called fat and ugly ^^U 8bit 12:47, September 3, 2009 (UTC) Yes Steiner and Beatrix fall in love. But the fat queen he was referring to was Garnet's "mother" Queen Brahne. TheBlueDragoon 22:03, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

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