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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

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Week 128: Silence v. Darkness

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WINNER!
I think I've illustrated why this hasn't been done before. No pictures. Anyway... status effects? I guess which is more punishing? Undecided

Votes for Speak No Evil

  1. First vote! You can cure Darkness with magic, but if healer gets hit with Silence... Jeppo (Talk)
  2. I vote for a spell that especially effects the White Mages!--Cluna 06 23:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  3. I tend to opt for the mage characters, and Silence is extremely frustrating. Yay for Echo Screens 8D 8bit 00:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  4. I hate Silence. Plus it seems to happen to me more often.--DarkTriforce 02:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  5. I guess I've found Silent more troubling and more useful (though status magic is rarely useful in Final Fantasy). ClixPsi
  6. Because silence can actually screw up my strategy on occasion. And it usually helps against enemy mages. TheBlueDragoon 02:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  7. A blind fighter can still hit, albeit less often. A silenced mage however is nigh well on useless, so silence is more effective overall in my opinion. Though status spell use is situational at best in most Final Fantasy games. Rivenous
  8. Silence is more pain in the ass then Darkness.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 03:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  9. Darkness has officially become a Joke status effect thanks to one Squall Leonheart. I've yet to see a Spell caster diesel enough enough to use magic even when afflicted with Slicene. AnonyMan
  10. Silence takes a much bigger toll on my mages, especially my healers. Plus, several attacks can still hit when a fighter is blinded. Silence is the more annoying status effect. 3155
  11. I've always found Silence more detrimental as a status effect that Darkness. With Darkness, you still have a chance of hitting, but with Silence in effect, you can't even restore health. Good thing that there's always items! :P SamSandy 08:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  12. Especially in Final Fantasy VIII the Silence status is more punishing, for it disables not just the Magic command, but also the commands GF and Draw, and these three are amongst my favourite command combos on the list! In addition, if Squall gets plagued by Darkness, he can still attack and he always hits, even though the trigger command's effect is removed during Darkness. So let there be Silence! (...) Dramirth
  13. Silence is better since it is more reliable than Darkness, mostly because it hits more often.(Also, read the top votes about it being more disastrous and dangerous) Darkness back then, was bugged for the most part. Also Silence, stops enemies from casting devastating magic. (Though Darkness, if it hits, plus Berserk can really be ...)--Silver Mage 09:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  14. Darkness is an inconvenience. Silence is party-life-threatening. --Saethori 09:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  15. Silence can be deadly if it hits your healer. Terra_Homing 13:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  16. Darkness just makes it slightly less likely for your attacks to hit, whereas Silence completely prevents you from using magic. Therefore, Silence>Darkness. The Man In The Black Cape 15:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  17. O gawd, I damn hate silence @.@ it's making the magic user literally useless. - SilverSummonerTaLk 17:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  18. Far more annoying then being blinded. Exdeath64 19:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  19. Even if you the enemy is blinded, they can still sometimes land an attack on ya.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 19:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  20. Obviously. Bruntie2 20:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  21. A blinded melee character still can be useful, tanking, using skills with 100% hit... A silenced mage is near useless, and even a melee can become it too. In the other side, usually if you blind a enemy, it only affects to his common attacks and it skills still can impact you. If you silence a enemy, you're sure it cannot use any magic or magic skill. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 20:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  22. There have been battles when a healer has been silenced right when I needed them. It is the worst thing to happen. Darkness is just an annoyance. ChaosEsperVII
  23. Silence is harder to cure if it's on your whole team, because it can only be cured by items. And there is nothing worse than having your healers silenced and no having any of whatever they use to cure silence in the game it happens in. MezzoEmrys 21:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  24. It worked in VI, and is more annoying for those of us who use magic to cure things. Darkness can be dealt with fairly easily: Esuna. Except when someone's Silenced. The.DreadnoughT 22:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  25. Since magic is my saving grace in many boss battles, getting one of my mages hit with silence is always the worst. It takes too much time to cure with an echo screen! If a character has darkness, I just have them use magic or special abilities ;) Violetmage♥
  26. really painful when the silenced one is your support character.... OnionKnight23
  27. Silence means that you can definitely not cost magic. Darkness merely means that you may miss when you attack. Yzz 09:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
  28. ...CheeseNinja 11:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Silence is definitely more devastating on my characters. Darkness can easily be cured by a White Mage, not to mention that if darkness gets cast on a magic user it doesn't matter since their magical attacks like fire, blizzard, thunder, etc. will still always hit.(status effect magic usually never works anyway so if Darkness does make them even less effective it doesn't really matter) If Silence gets cast on my mages, especially my healers, then I better hope the battle ends soon or I have an item to remove it otherwise it's a game over for me. Even on enemies, when it does work, I think Silence is more effective and devastating. Enemy magic attacks are usually more devastating then their physical attacks; not to mention I can easily heal through whatever attacks they throw my way but the enemy healing through my attacks gets rather annoying. 173.63.176.221 03:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  2. 85.156.90.17 07:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC) okay, silence owns when you'r at low hp, and you'r WM goes all mute all the sudden.
  3. Cause it's one of the few status spells I ever used? 89.217.237.139 12:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  4. Really punishing, centainly more than Darkness
  5. Silence completely disables magic,while darkness only decreases your chance to hit.Silence definitely does more damage to your party. 76.126.68.142 18:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Votes for See No Evil

  1. BlueHighwind : I wanted to try out my nickname design in a black background.
  2. I hardly ever use magic. Darkness can be very frustrating. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 23:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  3. I found darkness to be a hundred times more useful to use in battle than silence. Besides, silence is a pain in the butt to cure. Mako Angel
  4. See above. Silence might be slightly more annoying on your characters, but for yourself to use Blind/Darkness is generally much more effective. Plus, more enemies seem able to be afflicted by Blind anyhow. Nokareon
  5. I'm more of a brute-force fighter who likes to hold down the A-button and hack away. Silence has no effect on me. JohnnyC
  6. Mr_DARKside :P Mr_Darkside 07:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  7. The colour scheme of this match just strikes me as awesome. Neither is particularly effective, but silence is more annoying for me. — YuanSaluto!Acta 07:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  8. I hate Darkness. When enemies aren't immune to it, it rarely connects anyway. When it does connect, it barely has an effect. If Silence connects, it's guarenteed to stop their spells, and absolutely cripples the enemy. --Gamer2127 07:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  9. Err, since there seems to be a fight whether we should vote for the status that is more or less annoying. I flipped a coin. :/ ScatheMote 08:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  10. Definetly Darkness/Blind is better, because it is great against T-rexaur in Balamb Gardens Training Center in FFVIII. Darkness is helpful agaist strong phisical attackers, while Silence only works against those, that doesn't actually use magic at all.SquallisbetterthanCloud 08:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  11. Silence is bad for magic users. Darkness is bad for both sword and magic users. Kuzlalala Squee! 09:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  12. When I'm running around levelling just tapping X or A to attack and not paying attention, Blind ruins that for me and I have to PAY ATTENTION! User:Nirvana Phoenix
  13. Uh...well, I usually found Darkness more annoying. And is more often useful to actually use in most cases than Silence. Bangaa Red Mage 10:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  14. I like to see Squall & co. with an afro wig. Karu
  15. <add stupid reason here>Zak Undersn 15:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  16. Oh black background, you kick ass. ロル Lol Cakes オケス 16:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  17. I don't like either really but darkness is a lot more helpful in FFX which is my favorite FF. Silence in every game has never really helped with anything. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig.png 16:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  18. Eye drops make your eyes sting like hell. Thus Darkness is more punishing...? Also because this black backround is cool. Yay. Template:BfDsig
  19. Ltfabretti Dragoon 19:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  20. Faethinte audio finds missing the target over and over and over quite annoying.
  21. I don't talk much anyway.--Werefang[T/A] 20:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  22. Silence does nothing to melee fighters. Darkness is a pain for any character. Signed, The Recondite Sage.
  23. Having my main damage-dealers swatting around like blind fools (especially when I've run out of Eye Drops) in a fight makes me seriously consider giving up sometimes. - Paramina 21:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  24. Because I've never gotten silence to work effectively on enemies. Also because darkness sounds way cooler. MisfitAirship
  25. Best to be Blind and able to cast spells than vise-versa. I take Blind over Silence 80% of the time, though both are annoying, depending on the character. --wee187 00:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
  26. Cloudiroth Most enemies that silence would be useful against are normally immune, darkness on the other hand has helped me tackle seemingly impossible bossed on more than one occasion.
  27. Trindadex 01:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC) usually the bosses are immune to silence

Anonymous Votes

  1. I'd rather be mute than blind. 81.193.16.81 11:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  2. This one was a tough choice. On the one hand, silence prevents magic. On the other hand, darkness cuts down on physical attacks. But, since I usually use physical attacks more than magical attacks, darkness is the more effective spell on me.74.99.12.17 15:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

You could have just put the words Silence and Darkness in the space where the images would be. Use your intuition! Jeppo (Talk) 23:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I would've preferred sprites from eg. FFVI with the status effects, since they were visible during the combat. SamSandy 08:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I would have liked to see little icons for each, like the ellipsis bubble for Silence and the little sunglasses for Darkness. Like the charcaters have in FFVI and FFVI. TheBlueDragoon 01:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's an... interesting fight. Not much to say here on my end, except that whoever suggested this is probably very happy. TheBlueDragoon 02:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Interesting choice here. Will have to think about this a little as I work with magic and meele depending on my mood so both status effects tend to annoy me a lot. I like the way the battle is illustrated (or should I say not illustrated?), though at first I thought it was a battle between light and darkness before I read the title xDD Celythia

NOTE: which is more punishing? --Silver Mage 11:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it really depends on the game. Exdeath64 19:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, i was just reminding people that it's about which one is more dangerous. --Silver Mage 08:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Week 127: Ramza v. Basch

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WINNER!
Ramza
38 1/2 to 34
Two men, despised on Ivalice for different reasons, in different times. Both men, apparently swordsmen, but you have a great deal of control over that.
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Votes for Ramza

  1. Hard choice but I think I'll go with the guy who earned his "traitor" status due his actions rather than the the evil plot performed by the evil twin. And because Ramza DOES evolve through the story, Basch was all done and completed personality wise and such when he first appeared and lacked any evolution through the story. Celythia
  2. BlueHighwind : My instinct says Ramza. Gotta listen to it.
  3. He died for your sins, damnit. Template:BfDsig
  4. I can't find fault with either of these two, but Ramza just sneaks it. Jeppo (Talk)
  5. Both decent character(Basch easily the best character of XII's Main cast). Ramza beat the tar out of a bunch of demons and was played like a damn fiddle by most everybody, and then gets shafted in history as a bad guy. Oh and he can Throw Stone. That by itself is 7 Layers of Cool. AnonyMan 22:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. If iI did not call myselft Ultima, I would have involved Ramza in my name. Ultima 22:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. Gotta go with one of favorite video game character out of any game, my man Ramza! Soldier of Light
  8. I vote for Ramza. Maybe because I like FFT more than FXII. Final_Cannon 23:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  9. Only because he killed Mustadio. ScatheMote 01:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  10. I like FFXII more than FFTactics, but Ramza is a better character than Basch in my honest opinion. --wee187 03:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. I'm a FFTactics drone and it was the first final fantasy game I played..ever!! so it instantly goes to Ramza Terderrer
  12. Ramza wins for the Phoenix Down scene. CheeseNinja 07:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. Well whaddaya know, I'm voting. -- N/A 07:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. Both are good characters, but Ramza was...yeeeeah. Bangaa Red Mage 07:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  15. Ramza has better clothing... OnionKnight23
  16. Ramza is quite possibly the greatest hero ever made. Unless someone wants to dispute this, I really don't have anything else to say. ChaosEsperVII
  17. Blykus 11:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  18. You know, I don't have any reason to vote for Basch. While Ramza rocks hard. Zak Undersn 11:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. He's a true hero and he's a member of House Beoulve. Karu
  20. Ramza, do I need a reason? ApatheticAngel
  21. 1. He has the power to be ANY CLASS, use such abilities for his own advantage and his team, 2. Is a great hero, standing afront a corrupt religion and daring to take it down due to it evil plans, 3. His game kicks major ass, and Ivalice is one awesome world I'd love to explore Brave Fencer Musashi style. Mask no Oni 19:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  22. Killing 7 mega demons and turning an entire warring country against you while they're still fighting each other? That takes balls of steel. Unless you make him a thief, then it's balls of steal :P--Muchomas35 19:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  23. Pikmin Master: Monk Ramza. Done.
  24. Theentertainer:OI! Ramza Better Game, Better Character, Better Story.
  25. Ramza cos he's mint Bruntie2 11:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
  26. Gotta vote for a guy with no nose. ロル Lol Cakes オケス 14:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
  27. Lockhart: Basch is nice, but Ramza is one of the best leads in the series.
  28. Ramza's amazing. Plus, I LOVE Tactics and HATE XII xD So this is really no contest for me. Ramaza really deserves the win with this one, though. Yzz 04:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  29. Gotta give it to Ramza.Immune to stop 18:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  30. Tactics was the very first Final Fantasy game I ever played. How can I not vote for Ramza? Besides, if an entire religion decided he was dangerous enough to be considered an enemy, he had to be doing something right. Silver Dragon XXVIII 20:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  31. It's difficult to actually make an argument for either of them that doesn't apply to the other, but I like Ramza much more that Basch. Signed, The Recondite Sage
  32. Ramza was the leading man, basch is a pale imitation weilding a lesser sword. Hamfruitcake 09 07:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  33. A great hero, not remembered in the annuals of ivalician history, but more than worthy of defeating the man responsible for Vaan's worst lines in FF XII Jamiemitsu FTW 19:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
  34. Awesome character, awesome design. — YuanSaluto!Acta 23:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
  35. Ramza was one of the few FF heros that didn't annoy the crap outta me at any given point in the game (not emo, whiny, or just bleh. personality AND taste in a character design. THANK YOU).#Molly-sama 01:51, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  36. recino I saw the names and thought Basch was Balthier (wich in my brain makes a lot of sence) but now that I relize it's Basch, I have to go with Ramza because he's cooler had a better game and more personality... I love FFT
  37. Surprisely, Ramza is winning and I'm happy about it. Mean this that more people know FFT now? Well, finally a good fight. I don't have much time to explain myself, so just: Ramza's much better character than Basch. Nothing more to say. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 22:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. I like his character development ^^ 62.167.38.233 10:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. Ramza owns big time... loved him in FFT. 81.193.19.184 14:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. 74.72.39.163 05:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC) Ramza is part of my childhood...so is Cloud but Ramza is less emotional...more heroic. Plus Medieval Themed = Win. I love that my brother played all of FFT reading it aloud...That really helps when your like five >.>

Votes for Basch

  1. I have seen both men in action, and hands down Basch has this one in the bag...no questions asked. Jennilouwho 00:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. Yeah, finally, my idea! I'll vote for the guy who saved Ivalice after spending two years in a cage. --TenzaZangetsu 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. I don't know Ramza, so I vote for Basch.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 22:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. Basch is much more interesting and unique as a character, while Ramza is your all-too-common mute protagonist with no personality. Not a tough choice.SamSandy 22:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. Basch wins my vote simply for being from FFXII. I haven't played FFT yet, but I'm sure this will be a good fight. TheBlueDragoon 22:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. I like both. Basch has the advantage of graphics, relationship with Ashe, and Gabranth. Shining Ray > Ultima. 8bit 01:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. Basch doesn't speak in Ye Olde Englishe. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  8. I say Basch because of his stoic determinedness. He doesn't whine or question his motives like Ramza, he's the man who knows where he stands. Ramza's WotL VA didn't help either. Master Aohan 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  9. Mostly because Ondore lied. The.DreadnoughT 01:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  10. Cap'n fon Rosenburg is such a manly man. I think that'll suffice Violet mage03:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. Ramza had quite the quest, but I never really cared about him (just his story). Basch, on the other hand, is an interesting character, even though he (like most FFXII characters) could have used some more screen time. ClixPsi
  12. I like Ramza more. --Gamer2127 05:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. Berserk+Bravery+Haste+tornesol=Living Chainsaw.Exdeath64 05:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. the real lead of FF12 NeoExdeath 06:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  15. Heck, haven't even played Tactics, or wherever Ramza is. Besides I've always used Basch in my team, along with Balthier and Fran. Vincent Portrait.jpgFinalfreakfantasyDeathPenalty.png 07:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  16. Basch is better than Ramza because he is from a mainstream Final Fantasy game. Besides Final Fantasy XII is the best FF game and tactics sucks. KaiserPaladin 07:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  17. Ramza doesnt have a wussy fan running around town pretending to be him (Admit it Vaan) Leon5550 08:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  18. No comment --Silver Mage 09:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. Kuzlalala Squee! 09:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  20. Just look at them. Sure, Ramza may be more noble, but Basch could easily kick his ass.--Xepscern 13:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  21. Not that I need an explanation, but a) Basch is all-round tougher than Ramza and would therefore beat him in a fight, and b) Basch may a mindless roider, but he is still way cooler than whiny, high-pitched, wishy-washy, castrated ladyboy dipshit over there. The Man In The Black Cape 18:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  22. Suprisingly difficult choice! But had to go for Basch in the end. If he gets enough support maybe SquareEnix will continue to make male characters who don't arguably resemble women!Rivenous
  23. Cloudiroth TANK!
  24. NocturnisEstra100 06:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  25. Rocking Chair Ramza was never that great to me. Basch is probably the most manly man in the series. Apart from Jecht.
  26. Let us be clear that I am voting for his badass twin Gabranth, not this weakling. MechaUltimaZero 16:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
  27. He has more style Trindadex 16:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
  28. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 03:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  29. Basch wins. We all lose. FinalAnnihilator 18:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  30. Basch. Ltfabretti The Dragoon Chocobo 19:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
  31. Because I don't really know much about Ramza, but I highly doubt he can top the noble and ever awesome Basch. MisfitAirship
  32. Basch is a better character in his story, than Ramza was in his one. I mean, c'mon, A once-famous knight, now framed in murder, versus a noble kid. No competition here.SquallisbetterthanCloud 15:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  33. This might surprise some of you, but I have to vote against Tactics here... T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes

  1. Basch because he's hot. Also, he had a better story than the main character of FFXII. I'm looking at you, Vaan. 71.167.15.108 04:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. Basch is strong. 124.179.241.69 07:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

Just had to point this out. Who the hell voted for Basch with a vote that says "I like Ramza more?" TheBlueDragoon 17:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Noticing a lot of unsigned Anonymous votes again. Please don't make me and The Dreadnought say it again, so here's a friendly reminder. Use four tildes to sign your username or IP address. If you don't sign, your votes don't count... TheBlueDragoon 06:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

MY IDEA, FINALLY! Sorry if I am pissing anyone, is just that I'm happy right now. --TenzaZangetsu 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I like this fight, I liked both characters enough and partly I hope it ends in a tie, though probably it will not XD Celythia
Thanks, it was the suggestions that had the most votes. They are two of my favorites characters and they are both awesome, it was hard to decide. --TenzaZangetsu 22 July 2009 (UTC)
This was a very good suggestion Tenza. It was hard to choose. TheBlueDragoon 23:50, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree great idea, so nice that people can think oof good fights...- Saraija Merinas

Finally a good fight! I'm pumped about this one. I have a good feeling about this fight. Much as I wanted to vote for Ramza, I haven't played FFT or War of the Lions. (yet) So yeah, this is a good fight. TheBlueDragoon 22:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a victory for Ramza at this time. It was probably the best fight I've seen so far, aside from the last "Bad Fight Week", which was a simply amazing week. TheBlueDragoon 23:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Now we need to have my Delita vs. Vossler fight put in to be the polar opposite of this current one. -Nokaroen
Or my Rosa versus Rinoa. Or that Kuja versus Genesis fight thats been there for months. TheBlueDragoon 02:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I say we do Biggs v. Wedge again! Woo hoo! Who's with me? --BlueHighwind 02:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
That's not my point. I mean it would fit perfectly, because Delita is the foil to Ramza, and Vossler is the foil to Basch (either that or Gabranth, but whatever...) -Nokareon
I saw your point. I just wanted to say my own point. TheBlueDragoon 03:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Better plan: Final Fantasy Biggs and Wedge versus Star Wars Biggs and Wedge, or maybe Vicks versus Biggs... Look, if we're going to keep griping over fights when a decent one is going on, I have something to say: the only character I've ever so much as heard of who's never been in the DNC is Whiteylocks. Therefore, I actually have a good reason to say that one of the fights I supported should get chosen. The.DreadnoughT 19:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
And why not a FFVI-Mog vs a FFXI-Mog? Who's the best Mog? Celythia
I suggested a Mog fight months ago. Mog versus Red XIII, but its only got four supports. I have a lot of suggestions in the nomination page. TheBlueDragoon 15:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


Am I the only one that keeps thinking that they used Ramza as Basch's base, just tweaking things around a little and leaving most of the essence of the character? I've been wondering about that since I first got FFXII.Celythia

I'm of the mind that they melded Ramza and Ahsley Riot of Vagrant Story to get Basch. So no; your not entirely alone. Theentertainer
Yeah, they look quite similar. And to throw a bit of conspiranoia in here: If you look closely their artworks, you'll see that their poses are quite similar, too. Zak Undersn 23:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I wonder where SamSandy got the idea that Ramza is mute. Zak Undersn 11:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Not from playing the game, that's for sure. Though I must admit that when I first got the game I expected Ramza to be a mute protagonist due the style of the game. Celythia
Oh, he's not? I admit I haven't played the game, but I always assumed he doesn't speak... I don't recall seeing any screenshots of Ramza speaking, either. My bad, sorry. Not affecting my vote in any way, though. SamSandy 20:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I supposed it wouldn't, no reason for it to affect it. And as I said I also thought he wouldn't talk and have no personality before playing the game so your mistake is understandable at least from my part. Celythia

Why is it so many votes that go to Basch are people who haven't even PLAYED FFT? Theentertainer

Cause that's how the DNC works? And because if people refrained themselves from voting in battles where they don't know one of the characters because they haven't played the game the amount of votes and activity would drop crazily. Personally I don't care if people vote for Basch because he's "a mainstream FF character" or because "Who's that Ramza guy anyway?", but I admit it annoys me that they don't apparently even bother to click the links at the top of the fight and read what the wiki says about the character. It may not change the vote but I assume that they put the links to the characters' pages for a reason other than have their names show in blue letters. After all this is a wiki, not a random board where to get information about a character you have to open a post and wait for people to answer you. Celythia
You can't expect people to have played every FF like you or I have.Nokareon
Plus FF Tactics is one of the harder FF-games to get, at least where I come from. It wasn't released here at all until the PSP-remake, and I unfortunately don't own a PSP. Otherwise I would've of course played it by now. But yeah, you can't restrict people from voting in these polls even if they haven't played a single FF-game. There's just no way. SamSandy 18:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I do agree with you Nokareon. I've played the entire main series, and most of the spinoffs. But the only one I've yet to play is FFT. I've read up on Ramza, but he still doesn't get my vote. And to Celythia, why does it annoy you? So people don't know a character. Its nothing to get all huffy about? TheBlueDragoon 18:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Maybe I worded myself wrong? English is not my first language so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. Anyway I didn't mean to say that I was annoyed about the fact that people didn't know a character, it would be stupid to be annoyed by that. What annoys me is the fact that apparently no one even bothers to at least try and look at the information this wiki has about the character. I don't mean to say that people should sit and read every character's page in depth or anything, but I don't think it's that hard to at the very least confirm from which game the unknown character is, and the reason why I find this annoying is because this is a wiki not a random board, supposedly we gather here to share and complete information about a franchise we all like and enjoy by extent to this we also discuss about or opinions and likes and socialize, with a board and all. But probably that's just me being wrong with the concepts and ideas, I came to this wiki in search of information and later to socialize even a little bit, but that's just me and maybe it should be the other way around? Of course I could still be deadly wrong and people actually do look at the unknown character's page a little, even if their vote is still reduced to "I don't know him but I know this guy" because reading information about a character just isn't the same as playing the game and watching that character's script and actions, and there's little to no way for that to make people go "Hey I like this guy I just read about more than this guy I played with and used in my party and felt identified with!". But I find difficult to think that most of the people do that when looking at votes that say "I didn't play whatever the game this character is from" which is a line of voting that I have seen more than just once in the DNC. I hope I explained myself better this time X.x Celythia
I didn't mean that in a bad way. I apologize if I have offended you. I see where you are coming from. I myself, having never played Tactics or seen Ramza's character, I voted for Basch. I was considering voting for Ramza, but it just didn't seem right. I know and love Basch. And believe it not, I researched Ramza and I love what he is. he's the good guy made to be a heretic. That is pure genius. Anyway, I was just curious. Sorry if I offended you. TheBlueDragoon 18:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
No offense taking at any moment, mostly I was worried that I hadn't expressed myself correctly and by that offend someone myself. Anyway your case is what I would consider the "ideal" in someone voting here, even if you don't really know the other character you looked up at it a little and though it ended not changing your vote the fact remains that you actually put a little thought in the vote. I think a vote should be casted that way, even if the reasons and thoughts are apparently simply or superficial (like "I like red better than blue", "I like her dress more", "He has no nose", "That one looks weaker than this one"...), if there's a bit of thought then nothing more should be asked. But people that open the page look at the names and go "Ramza what?" and vote for Basch... Well it just make their vote look empty in my eyes. Again no offense was taken, I hope I didn't offend you likewise either with my first comment or my consequent replies. Celythia
No offense was taken. And yes, people could think their votes out more. I understand completely where you're coming from. I just got nothing else to say. You said everything I was going to say already. XD TheBlueDragoon 21:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
But hey, this is a popularity contest. If all those reasons you mentioned are good enough for electing the President, they're good enough for the DNC. -Nokareon
You're right Nokareon. Although I don't want to get on a political debate. If we can choose the President this way, why not a DNC battle? TheBlueDragoon 04:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Can't help but laugh at that anonymous vote that proclaims Ramza to be invincible because he's friends with Cloud... didn't help Aerith, did it? Yeah, I went there. Nevanus

Noticing that too, it made me chuckle. It didn't help a lot of people who crossed paths with Sephiroth. TheBlueDragoon 17:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I am astounded by the number of votes for Ramza. If this was Larsa, everybody except me would be lining up to piss on him, but Ramza, who has all of Larsa's disadvantages, with even less excuse (have you seen him? heard his voice acting? experienced his entire retarded character?) is beating Basch! Of all people! Not that I'm moaning or anything... The Man In The Black Cape 19:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Glad that you're not moaning or anything. And for the record I liked Larsa. Celythia
Larsa was my favorite character in FFXII. He even beats Balthier. Larsa was just a good character overall. TheBlueDragoon 23:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Yay for the character with the free Hi-/X-Potions! The.DreadnoughT 19:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Ramza was hated by everyone and still pressed on. I know Basch was too but they made a huge effort to not only point that out to Ramza every chance someone got but also to mention that no one wanted his help and he still pulled through. For all intents Basch got a happy ending by comparison. Ramza knew he was going to be hunted for the rest of his life for knowing the truth and was all but written out of history for being a heretic regardless of what he accomplished. Also, don't you want a hero that questions himself? I would think that would make him more human and the mistakes he made just adds to that. Theentertainer 10:05, 27 July 2009
He has honor, he's a good man, he fights against a whole country because he wants to put things in it's place, he's a goddamn hero. What the heck is wrong with him? The only con I could see on Ramza is that he's a little too much idealist. Even I like him, and normally I hate idealists. Zak Undersn 12:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Finally a good battle, Im rather happy we finally got away from 6-8, This ones a toughie but I chose Basch because I havent beaten WoL yet. -Saraija Merinas Getting Basch in Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings where he has 900 HP and a protect spell ALMOST made me change my vote. -Nokareon

Ramza is voiced by Phil LaMarr. I did not know this. I can now without a doubt say that he is the greatest hero ever made. Also for those who argue that Basch was also seen as a traitor throughout Ivalice, it was really only Dalmasca, which isn't that big. Also, he was a political traitor which is a big deal but pales into comparison to a religious traitor, which is what Ramza was. You can mess with someone's country and probably just get shunned or criticized but if you mess with someone's religion, you can get killed. ChaosEsperVII

Week 126: Guest BlueHighwind Week - Biggs v. Wedge

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WINNER!
Wedge
27 1/2 to 21 1/2
Unsung, unnoticed, and virtually identical, these are the forgotten heroes of the series. Haven't they suffered enough after their countless deaths? Obviously not! We will see them fight to the death to see who is the better Star Wars reference!
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Votes for Biggs

  1. The force is strong with this one.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 17:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. I am voting for Biggs as I am sure I have a Star wars figurine of him. Ultima 18:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. Though I nearly voted for Wedge (and was, in fact, about to click "Save Page" before I changed my mind) because they at least get his name right, I remembered that Vicks has a cooler last name: Darklighter > Antilles. Also, he had a cooler helmet (until the TIE fighter squad blasted it to subatomic particles, and him with it, that is.) The.DreadnoughT 01:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. I don't even care. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  5. I'll go for the Underdog Rocking Chair
  6. I just wanted to vote Biggs cause he's AWESOME! - User:CloudStrife456
  7. He was the coolest in Final Fantasy VII - so my vote goes to Biggs! - MardukKurios
  8. Glaargh. Okay, Biggs edges it out because...well, I believe a 'Wedge' is a type of golf club. Bangaa Red Mage 09:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  9. For honor of Biggs Darklighter, who died in the battle over Yavin 4. Finalfreakfantasy 10:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  10. The man had a epic death in The After Years. --TenzaZangetsu 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. FinalAnnihilator 19:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. Blykus 21:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  13. I like red :) Mr_Darkside 06:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  14. He made some pretty hilarrious scenes in VIII, especially when he decided to quit at the last bit. CheeseNinja 06:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  15. Hah, they weren't identical in VII! Biggs was better-looking in that game, so my vote goes to him. Superficial, I know. SamSandy 16:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  16. He wasn't fat in VII, he had cooler armor in VIII, and I've never watched a Star Wars movie other than 10 minutes of II. 8D Template:BfDsig
  17. Woooo, go Biggs! Bruntie2 18:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  18. MaesterTonberry 14:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. Destriker73 23:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
  20. I had to think a lot about this one... Whenever I think of Biggs, I immediately think of Wedge, too, and vice versa. It's not just Biggs and not just Wedge. It's Biggs and Wedge! However, I made my decision based on their appearances in FFVII ;D! <.<; Yzz 10:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. He made sure that Luke survived to take on Darth Vader later in the movies. Go Biggs!

74.99.0.248 23:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

  1. 93.41.215.106 20:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)He's a hottie in FFVII
  2. Me too, I prefer red to blue, so Biggs wins. 89.217.32.5 13:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Votes for Wedge

  1. BlueHighwind : The man took out an AT-AT, what more do you need?
  2. He gets to die a more elaborate death in Echoes of Strife. Hey, if we're bringing Star Wars in, we might as well add some FFwiki fanfic. ^^ Condemnation! 8bit 17:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. I was considering voting for Biggs, but I remembered that Gibbs is a dumbass because he hates Chocobos -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 17:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  4. He was one of my favorite players in Blitzball, and he never got his name mistranslated back in the SNES days. ClixPsi
  5. He's just better. --wee187 18:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  6. I like Wedge's color better in The After Years and I guess he has a slightly better name. Let's go with that.--Otherarrow 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  7. The only Biggs incarnation that I came to like over Wedge was the FFVII one and despite my love for that game the fact that I prefer Wedge at every other game they have been on is enough to get me to vote for him. Celythia
  8. Wedge's name is done right more consistently. (Vicks, Gibbs, etc.) Anyway, I don't really care all this much about this fight, but in FFVIII (one of the few FF's where the two had developed, separate personalities), Wedge is funnier. -Nokareon
  9. Pikmin Master: White Magic. Done.
  10. Wedge was funny in FFVII. ScatheMote 03:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  11. Hes a follower to biggs thats why. GRIEVER POWER 15:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  12. MrAllStar2: Wedge didnt get his pay at the dollet communication tower :(
  13. Onionknight23 wedgy wedgy
  14. I like his rotund appearance in FFVII Violet mage
  15. At least Wedge is played by Ewan McGregor's uncle! 'Nuff said.--Cluna 06 04:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  16. He's not a bastard like his IV ATY Partner. OMGkappa
  17. He's an awesome center in Blitzball.--Werefang 21:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  18. I'm voting for Wedge, because he actually survived the first five minutes of his screen time in Star wars, and he's the best pilot ever. (better than Luke cause he cheated with the force). And in ffvi I think he dies after bigs. Archmael 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  19. Pity vote, because my conscience won't allow me to not vote in a DNC match, even if it is a fight between two characters who are nigh identical. TheBlueDragoon 02:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
  20. Gotta give it up to Wedge. He's a survivor. Theentertainer
  21. It continues. --Gamer2127 03:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
  22. wedge antilles rules! NeoExdeath 03:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
  23. Wedge was always better in the games they were in BritBoy 20:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
  24. Kuzlalala Squee! 11:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
  25. As a huge Star Wars fan, i have to say that Wedge is better. He surived attacks on BOTH Death Stars, mind you, and he fought in every major conflict after that for atleast the next 39 years. Biggs died attacking the first Death Star. Wedge wins. Irish Reaper 20:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  26. They're heading for the medical frigate! T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes

  1. Wedge has always been one of my favorite Star Wars characters, so since there's not really anything to distinguish between the two in Final Fantasy I'll base my vote off of that.71.187.79.22 19:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
  2. I played eeny meeny miny moe and Wedge was the winner. 69.204.66.223 04:14, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
  3. Wedge. Beacause he's wearing blue213.13.225.61 21:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

I am aware that this fight was not in any Queued list on the Nomination page, meaning that nobody asked for it. There's even a good chance you might not like this idea. Well, you know how TacticAngel doesn't care? I care that much less. Cry me a river, Space Monkies. --BlueHighwind 16:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I support your apathy, Mr. Highwind, and any heavy-handed judgments to follow -- T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 20:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
You're just confirming that the Nomination Page is a LIE, aren't you? Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 07:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I have never said that the nomination page is a lie. The current policy states that they are suggestions. Final approval is given by myself or people working on my behalf. Don't think I don't feel your plight, but considering I have to pay some amount of attention to the nomination page. I can see more directly than most, since this displeasure is vented in my direction, the correlation between suggestion trends and complaint trends, which, I might add, was not all-together unpredictable. There are many life lessons to be learned in this, all of which are less effective if pointed out rather than happened upon by personal discovery. I might add that this discussion is arguably off-topic, and you should address my talk page if you wish to hold a conversation with me on this matter. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 21:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
In support Of T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L i must say, that as the over seer of the DNC, he has every right to put in a fight he wants, afterall everyone seams to pick the same 10 characters out of the 100's in FF to do over and over again. How would you feel if your sitting there and having to chose between Sephiroth Vs Kefka, Cloud VS Zidane, Cloud Vs Zack, Sephiroth Vs Everyf***ing character in the series, Tifa this, aerith this, rydia this. Cant we all be more original? So if he wasnts to put in his own fights I dont see a problem. -Saraija Merinas

Pity, we just had quite a few good ones. Exdeath64 18:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Well here's an interesting fight. Not exactly a good one, but it will require some thought. Are we voting based on their Star Wars quality, because if so, I refuse to vote, because I loathe Star Wars. TheBlueDragoon 18:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

It is a stupid fight if it's on a Star Wars basis – this was still FFWiki last time I looked – which is why I voted on an FF basis. There is one thing I can't complain about, and that's the fact that at least I managed to vote this time. Several fights lately have been too well-matched or had characters I didn't know well enough -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 18:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

To be sincere I didn't even know that they were a SW reference until this battle came up. I still don't really get it, I guess it's too naive to think that they came up with the names and decided to add them in almost every game on their own without thinking "Hey, let's make a SW reference because SW is so great!", but then again I'm quite naive sometimes. Celythia
This may have been chosen because of the discussion of Balthier (and/or the rest of FFXII) being a reference to Star Wars in the Peanut Gallery of Edgar vs Balthier. Just mentioning my own opinion here, TacticAngel probably has other (better) reasons for it, I'm just pointing it out. The.DreadnoughT 01:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I hope the reasons behind this fight are more (and maybe better) than that too, even if it was a fight decided because TacticAngel was lazy to check the fights scheduled and was the first thing that came to mind. I would prefer that over the SW reference debate because SW references can be found just anywhere, I remember a guy who went around saying that LOTR by Tolkien was full of SW references. Because SW is so great that it got referenced even before it was created *headdesk* Celythia
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! --BlueHighwind 15:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I hope whoever put this fight did it because he had a gun in his head and not for the SW references... It would be so... sad *Rai barely remember there was a nomination page or something like that*. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 22:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, god. Zak Undersn 18:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Remember when we used to have interesting fights? I wish I did. Drake Clawfang 19:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I wish we did too. This was a bad fight in general, especially on a Star Wars basis. TheBlueDragoon 20:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I love Biggs and Wedge but having them fight just isn't right.Immune to stop 19:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Just proves many people on wiki's are morons. Deal with the facts :> Yay...star wars votes on FFWiki. *eyeroll* BoAKaNRikkusmallsig.png 21:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not gonna vote on this one. I couldn't care less about Star Wars references, and aside from that, these two are basically the same character to me. JohnnyC

Same for me. Silver Mage 03:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I third what you both just said. TheBlueDragoon 03:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Cannot vote...they are ONE CHARACTER!

I KNOW! LET'S KEEP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE CURRENT FIGHT BECAUSE IT'S THE TRADITION EVERY SINGLE WEEK AND WE DON'T WANT TO BREAK OUR MONTHS-LONG STANDARD OF GRIPING OVER EVERY SINGLE MATCHUP EVEN WHEN TWENTY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DONE SO!!!! My God, guys. It's a DNC match. If you're not going to vote, we don't need to know - your absence is sufficient. 8bit 21:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

A statement about a less-than-appealing fact is automatically a complaint? JohnnyC
I have to agree with you there Johnny. Besides, much as I hate bitching for the sake of bitching, people who dislike this fight have just as much a right to say so as the people who do like this fight. You say there is no point in writing negative comments just because you judge the fight bad? Well correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you and a hell of a lot of other people making negative comments because you judge others comments to be unnecessary? Isn't that exactly the same thing?Rivenous
8bit is absolutely right. -Saraija Merinas

I would vote for Chewie. Karu

We all love Chewie Zak Undersn 13:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I can't think of anyone who hates Chewie. TheBlueDragoon 21:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Rocking Chair 11:19am 14 July 2009 (EST) - Is it really that hard? Just vote if you want to, or don't vote. Stop bitching about every single godamn fight!

Who's bitching. I hardly ever write anything here. It just annoys me how anyone stating their mind about this is automatically considered to be whining and complaining. JohnnyC
Everyone is entitled to say whatever they want, bitching or not. This is a shitty fight. Both characters are almost identical. Biggs and Wedge are always background characters or comic relief. They rarely add anything important to the story except when they died in FFVII. We're just stating our own opinions, so you stop bitching over us bitching! TheBlueDragoon 02:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Every Fight? Silver Mage 08:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

8bit's comment made me laugh: he sounds like he's channeling Padma. I don't really care about the DNC, but it does seem that every fight has a number of people either going "This fight sucks! It's boring!" or "I don't know which one to choose!", interspersed with complaints about TA ignoring the nomination page (he didn't even choose this fight: Blue did). 8bit was probably not directing his comment at any single person, but asking in general that people think before they post. "I don't like this fight" five times over is boring to read, so if you really can't resist posting, be creative with your complaints at least. ;) — YuanSaluto!Acta 10:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry 'bout that. (Fatigue of anything useful to say.) --Silver Mage 11:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
What impresses me the most is that I personally told everybody the deal at the top of this Peanut Gallery business. Maybe I would have picked a fight out of Queued section if they weren't all so incredibly boring and played. By the way, I don't know who you're complaining to. Me? Then what do you hope to accomplish? I like this idea, and nothing any of you can say will make me think otherwise. And I am happily rowing down the river of tears you all cried for me. If you keep this up, I might get an ocean to swim in. =D --BlueHighwind 13:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Rocking Chair 9:01pm 14 July 2009 (EST) - It could be worse. This fight could involve Rosa and PaladinCecil could discuss why we should stop putting Rosa in fights because she will continue to lose.

BAWWWW WHY WON'T TACTICANGEL LISTEN TO US BAWWWWW. Lol, butthurt. I had to jump in. =D Template:BfDsig

Dude...really? Alright, I'll say it: This is retarded. And the people bitching that people are bitching? MORE RETARDED! It says right in the description that they're "virtually identical." Man, usually I feel bad for sparking so many complaints, but if you pick bad fight after bad fight, it's going to happen. There's a certain degree of opinion in most "bad fights," but this really takes the cake. Biggs vs. Wedge? Why not just do Johnny (FFVII minor NPC) vs. Darlavon (Tactics NPC who does the tutorial)? Hell, at least THAT has 2 DIFFERENT competitors. Naturally, I end with my obligatory, "Genesis vs. Kuja, God damn it!"Neo Bahamut 22:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Except no one wants that fight because it is so obviously one sided. Bitching at people for not listening is inherently pointless because they aren't listening.--Werefang 23:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
No one wants that fight, & that's why it has so many votes for it, & little or none against it? Yeah, THAT makes sense. And I think you're projecting. Obviously, you aren't listening, because that isn't what I'm bitching about. I'm saying that everyone who's complained in this topic has a valid point: This. Is. Retarded. Repeat, "Virtually identical." Telling them to "vote or shut up," is just ignoring that very obvious point they all have. So, here's the thing: You want people to stop bitching about bad fights? TAKE THEM UP ON THEIR SUGGESTIONS! It isn't that hard to figure out. No one asked for the XIII fight. No one asked for this. So, why did they get put up? Someone thought it was a good idea, & everyone else is just supposed to agree or not give a shit? Yeah, sorry, but it doesn't work that way. There's a reason there were so many complaints before even I looked at this week's fight.Neo Bahamut 00:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
People may claim they want the fight, but most of them are just doing that to dis Genesis. Also, I point out that "good" and "bad" are complete and utter oppinions. The terms are absolutely unquantifiable. Thus to claim that any fight is "good" or "bad" is wrong. The only intelegent thing to be said about this fight is that it IS a fight. The very thing that one person thinks is bad may be the very thing that someone else finds good. I love the openness of this fight; you don't. As for "everyone else is just supposed to agree or not give a shit," yes that is exactly how this is supposed to work; if you vote, you obviously agree; if not, you don't give a shit. So take your self rightousness and shove it. In the words of Mic Jagger, "You can't always get what you want."--Werefang 00:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, Neo, it works exactly like that. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! --BlueHighwind 01:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
"Take your self-righteousness & shove it." I ain't gettin' into another 50 page argument with you because you're DESPERATE to prove me wrong. And that goes for Blue, if he decides to keep going, too. Agree with the complaints or shut the Hell up[/reversal]. "Most" is also a vague term. I think it's awfully stupid to call me on my generalizations, when your opening statement was "No one wants that fight." -I- want that fight. And I'm not the only one who wants it. So, take your own advice, & piss off.Neo Bahamut
I'm not the one who bitch, pisses and moans about nothing. "Most" is also a substantially less vague term the "good" or "bed" because it is a referance to numbers, not opinions. Any one with any brains knows that G v K is going to be an unexiting fight. You yourself state that you'd vote for Kuja and you are one of the few people who likes Genesis. At least this fight could go either way. Also, if you don't want a "50 page argument" don't start one. So buck up or fuck off, that's how the world works whether you like it or not. There are some fights that I want, but you don't see me screaming "Tidus vs. Vaan" every week.--Werefang 01:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Stop. I wasn't going to respond, but I felt the need to say the following 2 sentences: Don't quote mine me, asshole. I said I MIGHT vote for Kuja. For that matter, don't give me that "don't start fights" shit. Every week I post here, & every week you're up my ass. I don't know why, I don't care, but if you think you aren't "bitching, pissing, & moaning about nothing," then what the FUCK do you call arguing with me every week, Werefang?Neo Bahamut 01:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm (futily) attempting to stop you before you make a bigger ass of yourself than you already are.--Werefang 01:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Delusions of grandeur, thy name is Werefang.Neo Bahamut 02:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
That's the "pot calling the cettlekettle black," Neo_. Besides, didn't you recieve a test for doing this?--Werefang 13:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
That's "kettle." The.DreadnoughT 13:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Oops, thanks.--Werefang 14:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you two need a restraining order from each other? You're doing it again -- Sorceror Nobody Flan.PNG 14:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, Neo. When you mentioned Johnny, I thought you were saying something about me, since I have no idea who Johnny is FF7 is. xD (Ok, did I break the flaming-chain-reaction?) JohnnyC
I have no dog in this fight -- both are basically two sides of the same coin to me and there's no way I'm going to vote based on Star Wars. George B. (talk) 09:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I...really don't like a lot of the voting reasons. I mean, come on, these things have always been prone to some WTF votes, but "Biggs begins in B"? 'Course, you can't really come up with much of a reason for a vote, so with that said, I seriously hope this fight changes sometimes soon. (To Genesis vs. Kuja.)Neo Bahamut 13:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Fights usually change about Sunday or Monday, so don't worry. 8bit 20:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Good. I'm sick of looking at this fight. Its an eyesore in my eyes. Anything but this. Wouldn't mind seeing my new suggestion this week. TheBlueDragoon 05:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems like it was a slow week this week. I suggest we delay a new fight until next week so everyone gets a chance to vote! I know some people have a perfect record for voting in DNC fights, and wouldn't want anyone to miss it! --Gamer2127 08:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Space Monkies, I'd like to thank you. Not only did you cry me a river, you cried me a fuckin' ocean. Your whining is my beach fun time. --BlueHighwind 22:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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