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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week.

  • You may vote only once.
  • If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section.
  • If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section.
  • To vote, leave the following "#~~~~" and you are required to leave this whether you are logged in or anonymous.
  • If you wish to comment on the fight, please leave your remarks in the peanut gallery. You are expected to conduct yourself with courtesy. Comments must relate to the fight at hand.
  • Do not alter the format of this page.

Any failure to adhere to these rules will result in your vote(s) being removed. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.

Week 120: Amarant Coral v. Kimahri Ronso

File:Amarant Coral character.jpg
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File:Kimahri Ronso artwork.jpg
WINNER!
Undecided 		As I have been told, this is supposed to be the courageous lion versus the lone wolf, but certainly, you, having played the game could probably draw other parallels.

Votes for Amarant

  1. Unfortunately for me, I missed out on getting Vivi his best spells, so I had to bench the little guy. Meanwhile, I also missed out on Steiner's best weapons, so he was also lacking. Thus, Amarant actually made it into my final party, along side Eiko and Freya. Thanks to Counter Magic and several other useful skills, Amarant proved to be a good substitution. Hey, it's more useful than Kimarhi, who just feels like a second-rate copy of whosoever path you send him down. ...Neither were too interesting as story characters. ClixPsi
  2. I felt Amarant was useful while Kimahri just wasn't. Amarant meant I could go spell crazy as long as he was there due to chakra. Kimahri however made me trade him out for one of the girls apart form that one battle where I spammed attack to kill the bosses. Sorceress Heartilly
  3. BlueHighwind ツ: How can I vote against the Dude?
  4. Neither of them made it to my final party, but although I still look at Amarant and feel that story-wise he lacked many things (although Quina lacked even more things so I won't complain much) he was in my party pretty often and was in fact my second backup with Steiner. Kimahri on the other hand won my heart story-wise but lost it all in the gameplay aspect so I neglected him in the worst way you can imagine and only came to level him up when he had to fight alone. They're pretty equal but still the fact that I liked Amarant story-wise (despite finding it lacking) and gameplay wise makes me vote for him. And I always liked wolfs over lions, specially lions with a broken horn. Celythia
  5. Two characters I didn't really care for. I'm only going with Amarant because he didn't feel like a copy. He had his own, if somewhat pointless, abilities. Plus he could Throw, which is always a plus in my book.TheBlueDragoon 18:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  6. Wow, I think this is the earliest I've ever gotten to this after a change. Anyway, how could I vote for a semi-Blue Mage? Blue Magic is one of those things...I'm not even sure I'd vote for a Blue Mage against the Whiny Dumbshit from VI. And then Amarant has to go and be similar (in some ways, if not all) to Solid Snake. Snake Relative vs Blue Mage + Dragoon...Amarant gets my vote. The.DreadnoughT 20:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  7. Unlike some people, I have nothing against Kimahri, but he has the same fatal flaw that Quistis does: Blue Magic should never be restricted to a Limit Break. Amarant is more interesting character-wise (though not story-wise), and he's often quoted as a useful party member for challenging Ozma, which earns him bonus points in my book :P -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 21:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  8. Kimahri can go down any path on the Sphere Grid but ultimately he's just a weaker version of the original, who needs a sub-par black mage with Lulu or a Healer who can't summon? Also, No Mercy can do 9999 by the end of FFIX. Terra_Homing 21:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  9. OH HOLY SHIN-RA CORP. I must vote for you, Salamander Coral. Not that I hate Kimahri (in fact he's so irrelevant to the story that I almost actually liked him) though, but The Man here can put autolife to all your party at once and then throw things to your enemies to death, or kill them to death, or quad-9 them to death, or heal your party's MP until your enemy gets bored and dies. The only thing that makes Kimahri "unique" on it's own game is that he has one of the most awesomesest skills ever limited to his limit breaks. ALL HAIL AMARANT. Zak Undersn 21:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  10. I like Kimahri, he's one of the only good characters in X's massive suck of a Cast. But the big Red-Hair is in another league. Sure he may not have too much prominence in the story(like Kimahri). But he's got character, the look and awesome versatile abilities, NO MERCY! Of all of FF's supercilius "bad-ass" characters he's like the only one who actually is, and more so than the others. AnonyMan
  11. Hey it's FFIX's team mascot! - ロル Lol Cakes オケス 00:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  12. Nokareon: Amarant has cooler personality, and can actually hit 9999, making him not useless like Kimahri.
  13. Meh. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 05:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  14. Kimahri is a useless Blue Mage *and* Dragoon. Meanwhile Amarant may be my least favorite IX party member, but he is damn useful as a battery for my mages. Hyacynth
  15. Amarant AND kihamari did little for their respective games. But being a bigger IX fan and knowing that Amarant a bit more skill fighting (he's a monk so he's good with hand-to-hand and he's a ninja so he throws too) makes him more useful the his opponent. He did have NO story in the game though.--Jedicam10 07:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  16. MMLN メーマウリアン With Kimahri being my least favourite character in FFX (despite being sort of Blue Mage) my vote is clear on this one, although Amarant is not one of my favourites aswell :P
  17. Come, on, people, Amarant is way cooler than Kimahri (who is also very cool) and he is also useful in battle, something than Kimahri is not. --TenzaZangetsu 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  18. Heretic Ramza Kimahri is cooler looking (like something off the Thundercats) but he was a huge let down for me, especially as the only non human party member. Neither were a whole lot useful for me in battles or added much to their games' plot, but Amarant seemed more powerful and dynamic since he starts off playing for the other team.
  19. His hairstyle rocks. Karu
  20. Kimahri was my third main party member in FFX, because I like his appearance and he had Jump. I though he was a Dragoon, and without doubt choose him for my party. When I discovered he had to choose another character's path, I though "Wow, now I can have a cooler black mage than Lulu". It took me many time to understand he was a poor imitation, a "second-rate" copy of another character as someone told before me. And I was against Jecht then. Really, I never had Amarant in my party in FFIX. I always took Zidane, Garnet, Vivi and Steiner, and sometimes Eiko, Freya or Quina. But never Amarant, so I can't evaluate his skills in battle. In spite of that, is really HARD, if not impossible, be more useless than Kimahri, and I like Amarant's looking too. Besides, I consider a MNK/NIN (Monk+Ninja) a more "natural" combination of jobs. A DRG/BLU is a great idea, but in Kimahri's case is a failureDragoon+failureBlue Mage, so MNK/NIN win by far. In plot terms, Kimahri win, basically because I don't remember a thing of Amarant, and reading here I understand why. Both characters have things for voting them, and things for voting against them, but Kimahri had more against than Amarant. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 15:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  21. Somewhat useful char vs. Kimahri. Easy to choose. Kupuntu 18:49, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  22. I didn't really like either of them, but you've got to admit that Amarant is more useful. Kimahri's talk about "Kimahri not big strong Ronso Warrior" made me want to douse my television in gasoline. Violetmage
  23. I think Kimari is a good character in the plot, but less important in battle: his attack power is not so powerful as Tidus's or Auron's and his Skill are not so useful as Magic or others... Anyway it's a good choice but not the best I think, his skills are not the best and his Turbo is not so useful... I think Amarant, although it's not my choice in my perfect party, it's better: his physical attacks are strong, but not stronger enough as Steiner or Zidane, anyway, it's a underestimate choice and his skills are useful, I vote for Amarant but doubting... Josep
  24. Two words: Ninja-Monk. More words: A monk that acts like a ninja, Or a Blue mage that tries to act like a Dragoon, whose Blue Magic only works when he's in overdrive? Amarant is way better than Kimahri in that respect... Yath 13:43 (1:43 PM), 27 May 2009 ~
  25. he is just gr8 better than kimhari anyday lol
  26. Why didn't someone tell me that my suggestion made it? Eh, I wouldn't have listened anyway, I have been way too busy. And anyway, the fight is supposed to be about how both of them have two class types that no one can figure out if they are one or the other. Amarant is a Ninja and Monk(which is why I am voting for him) and Kimari is a Dragoon and Blue Mage(a close second in class types). It is also interesting because both of these characters have been shoved into the background by characters whose rolls in the plot run much deeper and have more meaning. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2- 23:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
  27. In my book, wolves top lions. Now on to the fight. I think Amarant has more usefulness than Kimahri. Also, he basically just punches the crap out of things, and when not punching, he's using some Flair move. Enough said in my opinion. Majyk 01:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
  28. I don't like either of them but I prefer IX over X, so my vote goes to Amarant. --StragusLore 02:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
  29. I'm sorry, Dragoons, but I'll have to let you down.Xepscern Highwind
  30. Amarant has the best Trance and Kimahrit -- ergh. George B. (talk) 16:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Elan + Aura + 50 spirit = invincibility71.247.251.194 23:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. Lone Wolf VS Silent Lion? No match!
  3. I can't believe I'm voting for Amarant, but at least he could actually do something in a fight. Still, both of them as characters suck.
  4. As a character, it's true Amarant is not extremely interesting...BUT KIMARHI SUCKS EVEN MORE!!!
  5. I think i remember actually using Amarant for slightly more than the fights that you're required to use him in, which is more than i can say for Kimahri. As characters, they do almost nothing for the story, though Amarant does slightly more. 76.234.96.44 23:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Votes for Kimahri

  1. ScatheMote 15:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. Phantom-Knight Amarant's character development is really minute. His impact on the game in the story side is really not that moving.. and the way his character was made was really lame cuz there really was no sentimental connection to the game whatsoever.. unlike Kimahri where the game gave the spotlight to him and his value to the team both in the story side and in the grinding part is really great.. aside from the chakra skill of Amarant which i really loved Kimahri overshadows the redhaired dude.. sorry bro.. go Tarzan i mean Kimahri!
  3. I've just started IX, so my vote goes to the game I have already played, X. Go go Kimahri! The Final Annihilator
  4. I have more sympathy for Kimahri than Amarant. At first, Kimahri comes off as the silent giant powerhouse of the group, but as the game advances, he's actually a quite pathetic outcast among his kind, which was honestly surprising. I don't have anything to say about his battle skills, though. SamSandy 19:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  5. I despise Amarant, I think his character is horrible and I never liked using him. Kimahri doesn't talk much but he is a good character. He is an honorable, caring character who will put his life on the line to save anyone. Amarant on the other hand only cares about himself, pfft. Go Kimahri! :) BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 21:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  6. Amarant is completely hallow and lacking of character. Seriously, I'm voting against my favorite game, and for my most hated? That's saying something. Template:BfDsig
  7. The person above me means "hollow." "Hallow" means "holy." In any case, I don't really care about either of them. But, since I know something about Kimahri, & I can't even tell what Amarant IS, I'm voting for the Ronso.Neo Bahamut 22:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  8. I'm voting for the guy you can put in any job class! Cluna 06 02:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  9. I'm surprised that I'm actually voting for a X character versus a IX character... especially since the character is Kimarhi... But, you see, I don't like Amarant. When you see him standing next to his castmates in IX, he's just not that great (in comparison). I actually like Kimarhi... when I think about it ahah. I really like his relationship with Yuna, and the fact that he's just a good guy with good morals. So, I'm siding with Kimarhi on this one Yzz 03:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  10. Ehh, Amarant didn't really seem very significant in the plotline to me. Khimari actually had more of an in-depth meaning to his game. Plus, a blue body works MUCH better for a Ronso than it does for a human being. (Still never understood what that skin condition of Amarant's was. xD)--JohnnyC 03:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  11. MasterConjurer 03:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  12. FF X is my first FF game i got and Kimahri is a strong character if used in the right way. my vote stays with the lil ronso#NocturnisEstra100 09:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  13. Makes the cast of FFX a hell of a lot more bearable by diluting the annoyances BritPenance 10:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  14. Gonna give some love to Kimahri partly because I slightly acknwoledges his existence in the game only because I had to beat the crap out of him and because he wasnt a character who was slightly self absorbed. Having Kimahri done something for the other people in the game. Plus X was the game I started with gotta give it some love xD Cryss
  15. MechaUltimaZero 11:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC): Kimahri was actually one of my best characters on my second time through it. I haven't played IX at all, so I can't judge Amarant at all, but Kimahri can (with the proper strategy and equipment setups) use his Overdrive at LEAST every two or three turns. Can Amarant use Trance every single battle for the entire battle without reverting more than once? I think not.
  16. I'm a furry so... Kuzlalala Squee! 12:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  17. Kimahri has much more character development than Amarant, not to mention he is extremely powerful in lower stages. He's also awesome. - Henryacores^ 15:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  18. Amarant is an over used, cliched stereotype. Even if Kimahri is a stereotype (which I doubt), its under utilized. Plus, IX was a generally dissapointing game for me.--Werefang 17:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
  19. I really hate Kimahri but since i don't know much about much about Amarant i'll vote for himDestriker73 09:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
  20. ronso rage beats elan that simple the 6th angel
  21. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 00:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
  22. He can easily get Holy and other high White Magics before Yuna does! You just have to spend a long time with him sitting in one place waiting on the right Key Sphere. But I'll admit that this vote is mainly for never having played IX. Nashblade

Anonymous Votes

  1. I found him more useful than Amarant, I almost never use the throw ability, pretty lame ability 69.108.107.247
  2. I'm not fond of voting against IX but Amarant was a sub par attacker and a pointless addition to the storyline; Kimhari provides steal early on in the game and can use Nova which is extremely useful, plus his love and devotion to Yuna is quite sweet.89.240.78.234 23:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  3. plzzzz Kimhari is so much better hes like the blue mage of the game.

Peanut Gallery

BfD considers Amarant "hallow"? I find that voting against someone that you revere as holy is odd... unless of course you meant "hollow". Sorry for mocking a spelling error/typo, but it was irresistable XD -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, I beat the "Grammar Nazi" to the "hallow" error -- SN
Nope. Sorry. Look up in the votes for Kimahri: I got it there.Neo Bahamut 00:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
So 22:29 is earlier than 22:23? Check the history: yes, I accidentally made the above critique in the wrong place (sorry!), but I haven't changed the timestamp. I beat you, not that it matters, eh? -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 17:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Don't know what you're talking about. Your vote came after my comment. I know, 'cause I was sorta there when I made it.Neo Bahamut 23:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
<sigh> Look at the very first comment in this Peanut Gallery. That's the "my comment" that I'm referring to, because I made it before you made your vote -- SN

Oh, joy, another fight I don't care about. I want mah Genesis vs. Kuja! I don't care that it's not my suggestion, it's like the perfect fight, and it may actually get me to vote against FFVII.Neo Bahamut 22:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I got tongue-tied--finger tied--whatever. You'll notice I said "your vote," when you stated it in a comment, & I said "my comment," when I stated it in a vote. I got that part backwards. What I am absolutely certain I am right about is this: My comment & vote was before your interjection. The gallery was empty when I started editing, & while I'm not sure whether or not it made it through FIRST, I did not see your comment in here until a subsequent visit, when I was prompted via E-mail that there were changes (your comment) to the DNC. The talk of time stamps and whatnot is completely irrelevent to me, as I know what I saw. You stated that you put your comment in the wrong place. Did you perhaps put it in the wrong article? Or in the votes? Because I haven't been reading them.Neo Bahamut 22:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
No one cares about Genesis 89.240.78.234 23:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Tell that to the 8 or so votes for the fight.Neo Bahamut 00:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
At least three of which are excited to see Genesis get his ass kicked by Kuja. 92.26.102.36 12:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
And I don't give a shit about Kuja. The.DreadnoughT 03:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Nod.* From what I understand, a lot of people don't. Really, I like 'em both. Despite the manthong & the fanfic-starting that Kuja and Genesis are guilty of, respectively.Neo Bahamut 04:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Kimahri isn't exactly getting a lot of love. We've had one-sided fights before. A lot, actually. Sephiroth vs. Kuja was put up as a winning candidate, & those 2 really have nothing in common, besides being a main villain. And I didn't care about this fight or the last one. So, give me one good reason the fight shouldn't go through that can't be traced back to your personal opinion. (I have a topic on Rin's that, in its life, was VERY excited to see Genesis in the DNC, so you are obviously mistaken. Not gonna dig it up, though, as it should be fairly obvious that 3/8 does not "everyone not giving a shit" make.)Neo Bahamut 23:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Cryss Haha I would have to vote for Genesis and I would be more than happy to have an argument with Neo Bahamut over it ;) Anyway this fight didnt really interest me at all I threw down a vote for Kimahri because I kinda felt sorry for him considering him to be the underdog but this is definitely not a fight I honestly care the result of. Oh yeah Kimahri was slightly better IMO xD
I'd have a hard time deciding between the 2. I've never played IX, but Kuja sounds like a pretty good character, & whenever I can, I try to picture the DNC like a battle, which Kuja would most definately win. Genesis is powerful, but Kuja's magic outclasses his. In all honesty, though, I would probably just vote for whoever was losing after a few days.Neo Bahamut 22:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoever said Amarant can hit 9999 and Kimahri can't is wrong...Kimahri can hit 99999, as well as every character in X. So your reasoning to vote for Amarant is flawed. Just saying. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 02:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Ugh I know! A lot of FF characters can do 9999 damage, actually <.< Yzz 03:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
As long as we're nitpicking, she never said Kimahri couldn't hit 9999. Just sayin'.Neo Bahamut 06:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
"and can actually hit 9999, making him not useless like Kimahri." The comment is being said as if Kimahri cannot hit 9999. Sorry but perhaps you should read carefully. Just sayin'...again. BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 07:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I was reading a different one. And, to nitpick again, it's entirely possible that the vote could be taking relativity of damage between FFs into account. What does that mean? Well, it's kind of like what Rai Balmung says, below me.Neo Bahamut 23:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
But is really easy hit 9999 (and more) in FFX. It isn't in FFIX (I didn't remember me hitting more than 7k, but I can be mistaken). Ah, can you fix your vote? The Rikku's picture of your sign took a second vote. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 15:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I almost felt like drop kicking Master Conjurer for his supposed Twitter link, but I laughed my ass off instead; I'm curious, so sue me User:Leiber_Mage

If you want to follow me on Twitter, the link on my user page is real. MasterConjurer 11:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually it was more about 'why would you put twitter in a vote?' then anything else XD User:Leiber_Mage

It was part of my signature. It was everywhere I've conversed. MasterConjurer 19:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see, nevermind then XP User:Leiber Mage *sigh*OK, somebdy voted for Kimahri when they said that they hated him. Look people, if you hate somebody, then you shouldn't vote for them in the DNC unless you hate the other guy even more! MechaUltimaZero 11:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Week 119: Rydia v. Quistis

Rydia FMV DS
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Quisty
WINNER!
DRAW 		The commonality here is found with each individual female protagonists' use of a weapon commonly known as a stockwhip or bullwhip, a weapon typically made a long cord of woven and treated leather. The sudden application of torsion to the whip will transfer energy rapidly down the tapered length towards the tip, which can, if properly snapped, accelerate the tip beyond the speed of sound. Traditionally used as a tool to guide livestock, the whip can also be a dangerous weapon in the hands of the right person.

Now you vote, who would you imagine is deadlier with this item?

47 to 44½

Votes for Rydia

  1. First vote! Rydia is epic ^^ Terra_Homing 18:09, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. Because Rydia kicked Kain's badass ass during the start of FFIV, and also because of her DS artwork.  :) Revlolcakes ロル Lol Cakes オケス 18:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  3. Does this surprise anyone? Drake Clawfang 18:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  4. Because she's HOT!  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 19:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  5. User:Neosamuel I pick the summoner, she did the best damage in the game once you get Bahamut.
  6. This is a tough choice for me as I like them both. Quistis was one of the few characters that I was fond of in VIII. I'm going with Rydia though. She is a black mage/summoner which simply defines coolness and comes from a much better game.--StragusLore 22:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  7. Weird... I'm one of the first votes for once. TOP 10! Blazelord
  8. I LOVE Rydia <333333 Yzz 22:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  9. Well, in spite I like very much FFVIII, I know it has a great problem: the characters. They aren't developed enough (if they're developed) and they haven't enough charisma. Quistis is not a exception. She's one of the most decent characters in the game, but she has some... "fail momments" that make her lose points in the rank. And well, in the other corner we have Rydia, a character full of charisma, wich you quickly "fell in love" with, and has really epic plot role. Spoiling, when she starts to forgive Cecil in Kaipo, when she overcome her trauma with fire, when Leviathan attacks and you loose her, her return in middle of the battle against Golbez, when she and Rosa trick the boys in the Lunar Whale... small and great plot momments that in addition to her personality, make her a so great character. And fuck, I just finished FFIV DS a few minutes ago and remembered why I consider FFIV my favourite. Ah, and about the whips... paralizyng a Behemoth with a whip strike has no price. Yeeeeeha! Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 01:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  10. Sexy-ist charactaaah evaar. Summoners are the best (except in tactics advance 1&2, in which they suck, and are totally beaten by scions)Archmael121.73.88.52 02:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  11. Yay for Rydia, the best summoner EVER!!! AtmaCrisis 02:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  12. Nokareon: I'm actually rather surprised Quistis is actually in the running (at the moment).
  13. Rydia whips but! Kuzlalala Squee! 05:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  14. Oooh, so unfair. Both two of my favorite characters. I think this vote goes to Rydia simply because she is a summoner. Quistis is amazing, but I like summons, so Rydia is my pick. Leviathan! Not to mention she managed to own Kain, my favorite character in the series. TheBlueDragoon 06:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  15. She's a summoner,summoner beats blue mage anyday User:The 6th angel
  16. BlueHighwind ツ: Rydia is smart enough not to fall in love with Edge, her world's Squall.
  17. Cranequin Quistis can't stand a chance against Rydia 15:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  18. I don't know Quistis enough to vote for her. And Rydia is awesome, as a character and as a fighter. Zak Undersn 16:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  19. Final Fantasy IV is my second favorite, and she was my second favorite character in that game XD. I'm biased XP. Majyk 17:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  20. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Quisty except (a) the fact that Blue Magic should never be restricted to being available only through a Limit Break, and (b) her really sucky backstory. Now, I may not have played FFIV, but from what little I know of Rydia she seems a lot cooler, a lot stronger, and a hell of a lot sexier -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 20:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  21. Gah! These are both characters I really like, but I've got to hand it to Rydia, since a) she was the first proper summoner in the series, b) she was more relevant to the story in her game than Quistis was in hers, and c) she's green, my absolute favorite color. SamSandy 20:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  22. Hyacynth Black Magic and Summoning is superior to Blue Magic any day. Also, Rydia's whips come with that nice chance of paralysis. I do like Quistis, but Rydia will always be one of my favorites.
  23. Sorry, Teach, but for me this is a match of beauty. RYDIA FTW!!!!
  24. This one what a tough choice, at least as far as whiping skills go, but if I remember correctly I didnt have Quistis geared tword strength so im putting my vote to the one who I know can definatly handelher self whe she needs to.
  25. I like them both however my vote is going to rydia mostly because she is a summoner.Badag 18:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
  26. ....Boobs O_O.... Culex, Dark Knight of Vanda
  27. Rydia moves the plot foward. Cecil, Kain, and Rosa would be sulking too much too move the entire last quarter of the game if Rydia wasn't pushing them on. And Edge is completely hopeless, unable to comprehend the depth of the party's situation at the end, and does an excellent job of soiling the reveered title of ninja. Rydia has to babysit him while holding the rest of the party's hand along the way, so I have to say that she is amazing. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2- 00:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  28. My vote is for Rydia CookiePinguy 07:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  29. RYDIA Is Form My First Final Fantasy. Also She Is Not From VIII Sooo.... Facky 08:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  30. Rydia is the only summoner that i hav played that noes black magic that is why she is soo awsome NocturnisEstra100 08:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  31. Blue Magic, even if sometimes useful (Big Guard; Shadow Flare is an E-Skill and one of my favorite spells...and there's 1000 Needles...which is nearly useless by the end of game anyway, when you can do 2000+ with a physical) is the ability of Blue Mages, who I hate because of Blue Magic taking too long to learn. If I was more patient, I'd probably like it more, but I'm not. The only way to make Blue Magic worse is to restrict it to a Limit Break, preventing its use and ruining the point of a Limit Break. Oh, I almost forgot...Rydia is not from VIII. The.DreadnoughT 21:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  32. Sora G. Strife 00:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC): Bahamut=Ultima. Nothing more to say.
  33. I find that a skillset that works all the time is better than one that works only when you're in critical status. Besides, Ryida's cuter. XD And Bahamut for the win! Yath 13:22 (1:22 PM) 20 May 2009 (UTC)
  34. kjelfalconer Erm... she has Bahamut. And mist. And Leviathen. THe invicible triumverate of dragons.
  35. Terra_Branford: Well, you can't really see who has more whipping skill in the games (especially the original IV), so I'd say they break even there, but based on their other skills, Rydia's got Quistis whipped (bad pun I know) because Summoning > Blue Magic. Not to mention that I adore her costumes & hair color.
  36. Heretic Ramza: I'm still in shock from Orlandu losing to...anybody! But in this battle, I'm going to have to go with Rydia because as the lone summoner on the game, her role in the party is more critical...battle wise. Plus, FF8's blue magic wasn't anything spantacular.
  37. Green hair! NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 19:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
  38. I solute summoners.So this adorable green-hair adult gets my vote User:GabbianiSoul
  39. Gotta go with the FFIV girl RowdyCMoore
  40. I know who this girl is ... sort of so I choose her.--Blackwing11 16:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
  41. Wait... Rydia's got you whipped. That a quote direct from the game. Whipped. Whip. Win? 8bit 21:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
  42. I like Rydia Karu

Anonymous Votes

  1. Gotta place my vote for my Rydia. She kicks ass as both a child and an adult. She doesn't take any shit from anyone, and her attitude just screams badass. Not to mention she's a black mage and a summoner, two of the best classes rolled into one. You can't get more badass than that. If her words don't bring you down a peg, then her whip will. Rydia's my girl. 96.242.165.2 18:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. I vote for Rydia because I barely used Quistis in FF VIII 119.12.88.210
  3. Because she's not in VIII and because Bahamut and Asura own. 76.234.96.44 00:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  4. Viva la Rydia!! 203.12.22.51
  5. Summoners FTW!!!! 121.219.4.30 10:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Votes for Quistis

  1. First vote!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 18:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. Quistis is teh Blue Mage. - Henryacores^ 18:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
  3. Faethinverba volant votes for the loveliest instructor of Balamb and his second favourite character from FFVIII. Plug.
  4. Though I prefer Rydia over Quistis as a character, and though I'll probably be the only one to consider this battle this way, thinking in terms of "who uses the whip best" I'll go with Quistis. Overall her abilities aside from her whip always seemed to be as plain average while Rydia has a great magical power as well as her summons. Basically I don't see why Rydia would even bother to learn to use deadly her whip as long as she has energy to cast spells and summons, Quistis however is in more need of learning to use the whip thus being better at its usage than Rydia who basically only has to carry it as a "just in case".Celythia
  5. I haven't played FFIV so I can't really know exact details about Rydia. I am currently playing FFVIII, so I clearly prefer Quistis. And to follow the usual pattern, I do believe Quistis is s*xier than Rydia. Can't tell any other differences. I don't know about Rydia's job class and character so... :P The Final Annihilator
  6. ChaosEsperVII: I think Quistis has more character. Rydia feels generic. Although Rydia was more useful... I know I'm going to get flamed but doesn't Quistis look sexy? People will go on and on about who looks hot and all that, which is well and good, but I don't think a Final Fantasy female to date looks sexy.
  7. In most cases, I'd be in camp Rydia. Black Mage/Summoner>Everything else. However, this IS a battle of whip proficiency. Sorry, Rydia, but Quistis's got you whipped. ...Sorry about the terrible pun. ClixPsi
  8. Quistis came off as more interesting than Rydia IMHO.--Werefang 00:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  9. Rydia's a better character but from the weapons proficiency standpoint, I'd imagine Quistis being much better than Rydia. With being raised and trained at a Garden and all. Oh, and she can increase her physical attributes with Junction thereby potentially raising her superior skill even further. Anony
  10. I'm for Quistis, Rydia's a kid, she doesn't have the chance against Quistis. Dude she whips people!!! Devil Breaker 03:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  11. MasterConjurer: Rydia is a summoner and can use other weapons. Quistis relies on the whip. 03:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  12. I have my reasons. Two years ago, my vote would have been different. PaladinCecil 03:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  13. *place inappropriate comment here* - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  14. Meh i don't like eithe rof them BUT i prefer FFVIII over FFIV Yuffie2211
  15. Quistis: the real hero of VIII.Xepscern Highwind
  16. Well, I haven't played VIII or IV, but I at least played a demo or VIII. And even though Quistis wasn't in it, that still means I know an infinitesmally small bit more about her than Rydia. MechaUltimaZero 17:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  17. Pikmin Master: I think this is an excuse to get two hot characters go at each other for nothing more than fan service. My vote goes to Quistis because, according to the conditions of this fight, Rydia doesn't need the whip. Quistis' Blue Magic only counts for her Limit Break, and the whip might be the only option for her. Sure both are hot, but I'm not voting for Quistis for this reason.
  18. Man, there's something about Quistis that really makes me want her...that whip, those glasses, her SeeD uniform.... Chocolancer 19:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  19. While we can all say that these two ladies are both fine, I am a Trepie through and through. P.S. I'm really surprised how close Quistis and Rydia are right now- it's 18 to 20 (my vote is #19)- I thought that Rydia would be kicking some major butt! Violetmage
  20. On terms of who uses the whip better, that would have to be Quistis. Rydia's strength is in her magic and summons.--JohnnyC 20:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
  21. Bacuz I was brainwashed into doing it O_O and bacuz I hate teh Green - WELCOME TO DIE 03:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
  22. Cryss Gotta go for Quistis just in the nature of the question though as I think she is a better whip user. Doubt I would have voted for her otherwise partly but she gets bonus points because I have actually played the game shes in. Also I didnt expect a close one looking.
  23. I prefer Rydia over Quistis... but this is about who uses the whip best... I'll go for Quistis... Onionknight23
  24. NO comment OwlEye 16:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
  25. One of the only tolerable characters of VIII. She whips. - Paramina 19:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
  26. They are both good characters from good games, I have to go for the one who is in FFVIII. --TenzaZangetsu 18 May 2009(UTC)
  27. Gokus789 I like Rydia more but Quistis has always been the whip master to me. Besides Rydia doesn't need a whip when she has black magic and can summon.
  28. aquamarine39 Characterwise, I prefer Rydia, but Quistis can actually deal damage with her whip. Even when things boil down to magic, Degenerator beats all of Rydia's summon. Quistis would win in a fight.
  29. This is indeed a tough one for me. Both are good characters, but I can easily see Quistis as da Master of da Whip! Cluna 06 04:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  30. I'd want her as my teacher :) BritBoy 11:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  31. Hot teacher with a whip. how can you say no ^_^ The_Seifer_weapon 8:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
  32. Munk451 One game that I really enjoyed was 8, and for a lot of reasons. I am just voting b/c I did not have the chance to play 4.
  33. Pluto. Tough choice, but I go with Quistis.
  34. MMLN メーマウリアン Unfortunately I have not played FFIV yet, so my vote will be little bit biased, but I realy love to play with Enemy Skills more than with any other spells, and because of that Blue Mage like characters are in all games my favourite :)
  35. Phantom-Knight Dude nothing beats quistis blue magiks.. the best blue mage ever in the entire FF series not to mention she has that hot schoolteacher with a whip concept >:) and she has one of the best cards in FF 8 card game and lastly she has a fan club in game!Who can beat that?
  36. Mr_Darkside What Phantom Knight said.
  37. BigSlurp : I agree with most that made this selection before me. Rydia may be more powerful but we are looking for who is better at using the whip. I have to pick Quistis because she relies on the whip to maintain her life, while Rydia has all that magic and the whip is pretty much secondary. So I would imagine that Quistis would have more proper training, and he better command of this difficult weapon.
  38. I love both characters but Quistis wins for me, she's better with her whip and I just like her more, even if she doesn't have much of a story. --BoAKaNRikkusmallsig 11:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
  39. Vohaul86 Quistis was a must when fighting blood souls, knocking those flying bastards down with a smile (she at least managed to hit them when others always missed). Maybe I just suck in FFVIII, but it seemed that she made more damage than Squall and Zell in the beginning of the game no matter how I put their junctions...
  40. She's a hot teacher with some character development. Judge Balthier 15:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
  41. Quistis is ferocious with that whip. Don't underestimate a hot teacher. Quistis has my vote on this one. George B. (talk) 01:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
  42. Well both are hot but I think Rydia is only good at summons and not with whips and I like Quistis a bit more that Rydia.JudgeMasterKefka
  43. I prefer Quistis. She is a heck lot more damaging with blue magic than Rydia can ever be. Besides, she's there for the whole game, and doesn't go missing halfway through when you really find you need a party role or two. User: chaosshaun
  44. Genesis rhapsodos No offense Rydia, but Quistis is a SeeD operative, and she was even an instructor to them, that says skill in and of itself.
  45. Because although I didn't really like VIII, quistis made it bareable and she was funny - plus I heart blue mages. Also quistis would whoop Rydia's ass literally in like a second before she had chance for any of that fancy summoning. Jackrandall1 07:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
  46. Vampyro 07:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Quistis is one of the most powerfull characters in FF8 and also one of the most stylish of ff female characters...so she rocks!!!!

Anonymous Votes

  1. Rydia's whip attacks were pathetic 210.213.191.242
  2. I've actually played FFVIII. Also, I think Quistis is the third best character because of her Limit Breaks. They pwn. (Toward the start at least >.>;) -61.68.106.81

Peanut Gallery

Kain Highwind's got Rydia whipped. Faethinverba volant 18:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Other way around Fae.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 19:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Nah, Rydia's got Edge whipped! Well, actually, she's got the whole party whipped xD! Yzz 22:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
And if she'd oblige me, she can have me whipped too. Drake Clawfang 23:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Rydia can whip me any day of the week. She managed to own both Kain and Edge, both total badasses.TheBlueDragoon 06:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Rydia can have me whipped in a couple of years.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 10:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know who either of these chicks are, and I really don't want to get involved with a DNC battle that is most likely going to become fetish fuel. You guys may not be seeing a lot of me, this week....Neo Bahamut 02:34, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from. Am I the only one whose vote was based on melee skill? MasterConjurer 06:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
It was obvious from the very start. In fact since I've been lurking around most of the votes in the Colosseum are based in "I like him/her", "He/She is sexy" or "I don't know the other one". Still I'm surprised that there are more people than me that actually vote based on weapons proficiency and not just the sexiness or the "summoner/black mage > everything", which is what the battle is about according to the summary, instead of being a landslide from the very start in Rydia's favor. With a bit more of luck this will be an actually interesting battle.Celythia
Landslide? Its 20 to 18. Drake Clawfang 17:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm still surprised about it, I was sure Rydia would get most of the votes from the very start. And if you look at Quistis' votes there are actually a few that seem that could have been for Rydia had the voter not vote thinking about weapon proficiency. And that includes my own vote. And wouldn't that be 20 to 19? The second anon for Quistis put an IP didn't it? Celythia
So far only one of the anons really voted correctly. I've been fixing them. MasterConjurer 19:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm amazed its not a one sided fight this time. TheBlueDragoon 19:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Am I right in thinking that it's reasonably rare for people to do what I've done, i.e. vote for the one they aren't familiar with? Seriously, I really need to see about playing FF4 at some point... -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 20:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Is kinda rare. However, if I had been around during the Hojo vs. Cid (XII) fight, I may have voted for Cid, had I not went to YouTube to look him up. And if the Genesis vs. Kuja fight goes through (hint, hint), I may vote for Kuja, unless Genesis is losing terribly. Hard to beat the whole "I can blow up an entire world" thing.Neo Bahamut 00:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I ain't gonna vote again. If it's asking who's deadlier with the whip, I'll say Quistis. And if it's who's more useful, I'll say Rydia. - Pure-Moneo 07:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Are we voting on Rydia/Quistis or their whipping skills?  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 10:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The battle summary asks about who we think is deadlier with the whip, so many of us are voting based on that.Celythia
Cryss Leonhart Actually its about half and half with the few who read the battle summary talking about whip skill and the others talking about who they think is the hottest. Or how summonery is better than dragoonism lol
Sad, but true. I always read the battle summaries and the votes already cast before making my own. MechaUltimaZero 13:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

TA, I love your explanation of the physics behind whip-snapping. ^^ 8bit 00:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

"Cecil, Kain, and Rosa would be sulking too much too move the entire last quarter of the game if Rydia wasn't pushing them on." No. Just no. Rosa is not the sulking type. The closest she EVER comes to that is being sad for how Cecil's acting in the first half of the game, and even then she's fairly positive. Whereas Rosa's the often positive, uplifting support of the group, for the first half of the game, Rydia's the innocent child made victim that needs Rosa's loving support at Mt. Hobs to overcome her own sulky past. The second half, Rydia's a young spitfire. That doesn't mean Rydia isn't a meaningful part of the game, but I get irritated when I see traits of Rosa misattributed to Rydia. PaladinCecil 02:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You get irritated whenever anyone mentions anything distantly related to Rosa. Drake Clawfang 02:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
When it's something disrespectful to Rosa as a character, yes. PaladinCecil 02:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
You're kidding, right? I mean, for example, in a topic related to FFXII about Vaan's uselessness in the plot midway thru the story and someone said: "No kid, Vaan's even more useless than Guy, Quina, Cyan and Rosa." Seeing this you'd go berserk and write an essay about it? Leon5550 09:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Please stay on topic. Rosa is neither combatant, and TA is strict of late. MasterConjurer 09:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It's actually kind of funny to watch you guys go on and on about Rosa bashing. I mean seriously, I can't help but laugh at the stupidity of it. A character is a character is a character. The only thing that really makes a difference is the eye of the beholder--if you like a character, great. If not, great. 'Nuff said. MechaUltimaZero 12:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Not entirely true. There are certain objective merits that can be factored into one's decision. If a character has no place in the plot, it's not very good. Take Penelo, for instance: Does she do ANYTHING besides act as emotional support for Vaan? Does she even do THAT well?Neo Bahamut 23:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The only other character of the whole series that gave me the "stuck in the cast just to get an even number" was Quina from FFIX, and still Quina gave me the feeling of being more useful than Penelo. I still think I would have liked it better if the sixth character was Larsa, even if he kept coming and going until the end. Penelo didn't even gave me the feeling of being the "perky young girl" archetype. Celythia
I suspect Penelo had a much bigger role planned for her in the game than what the end-product had. The early trailers showed a scene of her dancing in a forest, and that never happened (until the sequel, at least). She was definitely a hollow character, but I'd much rather treat her as lost potential. SamSandy 08:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Cryss Hehe maybe the entire cast could have been something useful if we had maybe a main character instead of a camera to view the storyline through. I mean I tryed to like XII (Yay Graphics) but I just couldn't do it the characters seemed hollow to me and Penelo a damsel in distress combined with an emotional foil to vann (stay in line mister.) Back to the on topic I would like to note that I actually had quistis use her regular attack a lot because beyond a certain point my characters were nicely junctioned and had strong solid attacks plus since it had the PC version I could sit there hammering the X key barely playing attention to the fights. Only really had to sort it out for boss fights.
In that case, perhaps I should refer to the entire cast of FFXII as "lost potential"? None of them were particularly good. I simply zeroed in on Penelo because it seems to be irrefutible that she's useless to the story. And I think they were going with a "calmer" spunky girl...whatever they were trying, they got the worst character ever to come out of the Final Fantasy series. I bet some of the workers shot themselves.Neo Bahamut 01:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
*sigh* When I said that the only major factor in whether a character was good or not was the eye of the beholder, I meant gameplay-wise, not story-wise. For example, I found that Penel was pretty darned useful--she, Ashe, and Basche were my party for most of the game. I only ever switched people when I needed more Quickenings. I mean, I never really found Balther all that useful except as a Quickening repository. His story wasn't all that interesting to me, either, but I digress. At any rate, what makes a character good? I would say plot importance and combat versatility. What makes a character great? That can only be decided by the players. MechaUltimaZero 12:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Really, every character in FFXII is exactly the same. They start out in only slightly different locations on the license board, and the rest depends on where you move them. Regardless, I see what you're saying. For example, a lot of people cite Cait Sith as being useless, but I actually used him a lot, in my 2nd playthrough. I only really neglected him in the 1st because he was kinda goofy. Incidently, they should have made him unavailable during Aerith's death scene. But I digress again. It should be somewhat obvious that I have few good things to say about XII, but yeah, I didn't find ANYONE'S story particularly interesting. Balthier was the most interesting character not because of anything plot related (his strained relationship with Cid & past as a Judge Magister seemed hastily tacked on & ill supported at best, complete asspulls at worst), but because of his attitude. Judging from his fanbase, most people would agree with me. He's kinda like Kefka, actually. Not in that Kefka is a bad character, or that he didn't do anything, but in that the fans of both characters remember them mostly for their one-liners & attitudes.Neo Bahamut 01:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Rydia (FFIV) vs Quistis (FFVIII). Stop it now and stay in the topic.

On a totally unrelated note, Quistis is actually winning among registered users, whereas Rydia only has a few more anon votes. Could this be the end of the "VIII-sucks-no-matter-what" theory? I hope so! MechaUltima Zero 12:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I think the "VIII-sucks-no-matter-what" concept is like Communism: even when no large group of people puts that idea into action (like starting up Communist Parties, revolting and joining the USSR, that sort of thing) it never quite dies, because some people hold onto the idea. (And, yes, I do hate VIII, but I won't rant on it. I just dislike it, and that's my opinion; you are free to like it, as you obviously do.) The.DreadnoughT 21:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Cryss Haha I liked VIII and I refused to play VII until I Had completed it. Although this idea was taken back when my PC has to be reformatted and I Lost my save data :'(. But still surprisingly close and if you count anon votes that shall go through Quistis is just ahead looks surprisingly like a tie. Lol. As for my opinions maybe its because some people dont know who Rydia is or Quistis has huge appeal factors to some people. This is a very tough fight, the closest one i've ever seen.

I won't try to start an argument about the validity of the "VIII-sucks-no-matter-what" theory, but it just irritates me that so many people (at least that I'm aware of) seem to hate it only because it came right after VII and was so radically different. I think that a lot of people wanted something a lot closer to VII then what they got, and I also think that they didn't really give VIII that much of a chance. I'll confess that I nere actually played VIII (I was only 5 when it came out, and hadn't even heard of FF yet), but I did manage to get my hands on a demo of it, and it was that demo that made me a Final Fantasy fan. I HAVE played and beaten VII, (borrowed it from a friend), and it while it was good, I do think it's a tad overrated. MechaUltimaZero 11:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Really, this happens all throughout the series. Kefka IS NOT an original character. The fact that they reused some elements for the final battle with Sephiroth is not a legitimate reason to hate VII. A lot of the Compilation is hated for not measuring up to peoples' nostalgia of the original. Tidus is hated for not being a stereotypical hero archetype. FFT is hated for being "too hard." X-2 is disliked for having a different atmosphere to many of the other FF games. And, I will admit that some of my hatred of XII & the TAs comes from the fact that it just does not measure up to FFT, which they are supposed to be associated with. I could go on & on about just the games I've outlined. Maybe throw in a character or 2 from one of the other games. But I think you get my point. And, ironically, that demo disc made me (somewhat irrationally) hate VIII. Fuck. That. Crab. Seriously. I've thought about getting it every now & again, but I can never seem to arouse enough interest, and even if I did, I doubt I could find 8.Neo Bahamut 02:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Personally there are three things that stop me from loving VIII to bits: Rinoa, who I love and despise at the same time, liking most of her except for what I dubbed "Rinoa's whining" moments and her mostly simply mind frame during the first part of the game. The fact that the whole casts' story minus Rinoa was the same, Zell's adoption being the most original bit of it all, it gave me the impression that the staff didn't know what to give them as backstory and settled for a general one. And the ending, I don't like it when a game I've beaten basically tells me that it served for nothing IC as no character apparently learns from the whole thing and just let things stay as they are. Still I can overlook all that and find it an awesome game, or at least a game with a great idea behind it but which wasn't performed as well as it should have (and I loved that it was so different from FFVII). Celythia
That is basically why I, in spite I like so much FFVIII, don't consider it one of the bests. The near zero treatment the non-Squall (or Rinoa, who I don't like as a character) cast receives made them appear as "filler", empty characters. Even Kiros & Ward had deeper treatment. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 13:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Haha maybe its different for people who didnt reall get into Final Fantasy early on and i'm referring to VII when apparently the Final Fantasy series became fantastic although im pretty sure the others must have been good to keep selling. I got into Final Fantasy when I traded a friend a copy of Vice City for Final Fantasy X and I loved the game to bits. I didn't have the stereotypical hero archtype and Tidus to me scored some awesome points. At times he didnt have much of a choice and he whined because he didnt exactly know what was going on and was slightly confused. Anyway from there I got X-2 which Played through till the end and it was different and slightly wierd and the dressphere sequences took FOREVER! even though I never took em off xD. Anyway from there I got XII which I appreciated for its differences and at the same time thought was kinda cool even though I never finished it. So all my opinions were based on the currentmost FF games. For the record I also got FFXI but never played it. Anyway from here I started looking into previous incantations of Final Fantasy but the prices were mega expensive for me at the time. Anyway at a bootsale I was on the last row and found FFVIII on PC for 50p anyway anyway lets just say thats now in my collection hehe and I love it to bits. I Found the story entertaining and loved the game to bits anyway this was my wake up call that the older Final Fantasies would be good so I hit ebay and ordered FFVII. When I eventually got round to playin it loved it the story was amazing the game was fun and addictive to play and I would say that if I had known about it back in the day it would probably be my favourite Final Fantasy however to this day X will be the godsend that put me onto Final Fantasy and gave me hours of play time. Anyway just trying to see if the order you played the Final Fantasy games in makes any difference from what you think of the other games and haha hell if your planning on playing FFVII for the first time and you think it will ruin the next FF game you play choose XI youll save yourself some money in the long run xD.Cryss
Hey, you really aren't doing that typing in all caps thing! I'd hug you, but I'm not that kinda guy. Anyway...I did play VII first, so naturally, my nostalgia gives it a BIT more credit than it may deserve, but I think that's really not a huge part of my opinion of it. Yeah, it was my first JRPG. But I'd played a lot of games prior to that, so I don't think there's any real rule of firsts. I like FFVII largely for the same reason I like other RPGs: The storyline. It was complicated, pretty unique, lots of twists, made me think, and yet I understood it pretty well. I'd seen ads for Tactics in VII's manual, & my friend happened to have it. I borrowed it, decided it was epic, & sought it out for myself. I liked it largely for things similar to what I liked about VII, up to & including having gameplay similar (but also very different) to the Fort Condor minigame. By the time I first put down Tactics, X was coming out. It looked awesome. I was excited. It did not disappoint, & fortunately, I didn't judge it by X-2, which I had actually started playing first, & didn't like as much at the time (it's still not exactly my favorite, but I don't hate it anymore). I had much the same thoughts about XII but it, unfortunately, proved to be much more of a disappointment. Naturally, I got WotL & the other Compilation parts whenever I got the chance. 'Little disappointed I can't get XIII. It looks awesome, despite having a storyline that feels a little too much like VII at this point (the 3 FF games I like the most are somewhat similar, & I like them for similar reasons, but they're also very different in terms of setting). "And that, as they say, is that. Or maybe not, who knows?"~Machean.Neo Bahamut 01:36, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree, NB: I played TA first (my first FF game), then VII (my first numbered game); the Fort Condor minigame is one of my favorites (although I found it easier, simpler, cheaper, faster, and more profitable to just not place anything, let the enemy get to the top, and beat the shit out of the boss that the enemy sends...) of course, being an RTS fan before playing any FF game probably influenced that. The.DreadnoughT 21:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. I played the Fort Condor minigame largely for fun. After you buy the freakin' villa (which is damn useless), you don't really have to worry about funds. Like most things, though, you get a better reward the longer you hold them off (as the boss gets tougher), and the best if you win without letting it get there. Also, there are apparently multiple battles at Fort Condor, besides the Huge Materia one. It saddened me to realize that I missed so many....Neo Bahamut 22:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone take whoever is deleting votes and whip him/her until death? thanks.

Maybe Rydia or Quistis could take care of it? MechaUltimaZero 16:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

If we wanted to get really literal about the battle summary, the question is "Who is deadlier with the whip?", not "Who uses the whip in a more deadly fashion?". This technically is asking "Given that they both have whips, who is deadlier?", and the answer is exactly the same as to the question "Who is deadlier without the whip?", unless the whip makes a substantial difference to either combatant's deadliness. But that's just me being anal about literal meanings :P -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Meh, I do that stuff all the time. I think, however, that even in terms of literality, the battle summar is a bit clearer than that. By "Deadiler with the whip", I'm fairly certain that it means "deadlier while using the whip". MechaUltimaZero 13:08, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I'm perfectly aware that it does mean that. I'm only saying it for the purpose of being slightly annoying :) -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 19:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

What's up with the sexy vs. hot comment?Neo Bahamut 02:11, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

HOLY FUCK, QUISTIS IS WINNING!!! Barely, (by about two or three votes total), but still -- an VIII character is beating a IV character! The only thing better than this would be watching Gabranth nail Tifa (and no, I did not mean for any innuendo with that comment)! MechaUltimaZero 13:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, at least two votes for Rydia were deleted (don't know if more) so this is really a draw. However, many people took the battle as a "only whip attacks allowed" battle, and that made this more interesting. Sadly, we all know Quistis hasn't enough fans to compete with Rydia in a "normal" battle.
Doesn't help that Rydia is overhyped as all hell, and some of the people who like her don't even know what her canon personality is. PaladinCecil 19:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I'd say Rydia is kind, caring. A bit whiny and crying sometimes, but still strong. That about right, mi'lord? Drake Clawfang 19:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
That fits both her and Rosa, which I guess might have been your point? The critical difference is that people seem to think she's also the comforting, soothing, always loving and gentle and noble type when that's Rosa's territory. Rosa's also more reserved and tactical. As an adult, Rydia's more of a fiery, innocent, exotic, speak-her-mind type that tends to rush into things. I guess you could call Rosa "soft love" and Rydia "hard love." That's how I've always seen them. Two sides of the same coin. PaladinCecil 19:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
No, that wasn't my point at all, that's just how I see her. Once again I'm thinking you're seeing things that aren't there. Really, it's not Rosa's fault, it comes down to preferences. People like flawed heroes like Kain, Rydia, Cloud, etc. Characters who are largely unflawed like Rosa aren't very appealing. Rosa as a character doesn't really have any conflict or turmoil, so as a character she's cool, but not particularly interesting. Drake Clawfang 01:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but some people seem to think that adult Rydia has all the same traits Rosa has when she doesn't. I could go on forever about the whole flawed versus unflawed, Batman versus Superman issue, but that wasn't really my focus. PaladinCecil 10:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Heh, once against we come to the not-so-grand battle of Rydia vs. Rosa. A fight in which I would support Rosa, simply because she was the main character's love interest. Personally, I don't really find Rydia all that attractive. Sorry, but the neon green just doesn't do anything for me. But in "Rydia vs. Quistis", neither of 'em REALLY do anything for me, but Quistis DOESN'T have green hair, AND she's a (edit: kinda) hot teacher. You've gotta admit that's awesome. MechaUltimaZero 16:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Dang, it's going to be close, thinks to the non-user support for Rydia.Xepscern Highwind

Anyone else notice that 8bit brings up a great point? Rydia's actually got a line in her game saying that she's got someone whipped! Does Quistis? Nope! Er... not that I can recall, at least ^.^; Yzz 02:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Certainly not, but it's said in the game that Quistis has trained as a SeeD since she was ten, using the whip as her preference weapon, and was a prodigy child. Rydia however is said in her game to have trained her black magic and summoning skills. As I said I like Rydia very much but I give more credit to a girl who has trained since little and mostly only depends on her whip (due her blue magic being accessible only as a limit break) than a girl who uses summons and black magic, even if she has an in game quote about whipping people, one has to be a real klutz to fail to be able to whip someone at least once after all. Celythia


Guys, we should delete some anon votes for not logging in their IP address. Isn't that against the rules??? Devil Breaker 03:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Week 118: Basch fon Ronsenburg v. Count Cidolfus Orlandeau

File:Ff12-basch.jpg
 Dnc v
Orlandu
WINNER!
Basch
39 to 24½ 		There's got to be some connection here. They're both from Ivalice. They're both knightly. They both have cumbersomely long names.
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Votes for Basch

  1. I'm currently playing XII, so I'm biased. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 23:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. BlueHighwind ツ: Basch taught me to be myself, even if being myself requires impersonating my late disturbed twin brother.
  3. Well, I have Final Fantasy XII and not Final Fantasy Tactics, so I'm sticking with Basch. Cluna 06 00:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  4. I never played Tactics, and Basch is awesome, so I vote for Basch.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 00:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  5. Easily the most interesting character of XII's main cast.(without the undeserved extra-hype like a "Leading Man" who'll remain nameless) And It's sucks he got screwed over as the Main character because Square's majority market clientele are Androgynous bishounen(is that redundant?)lovers. Cid's cool but most people like him because he's just Insanely powerful, he's not bad though. The A-Man
  6. Ser Orlandu, while awesome, makes the fourth chapter of Tactics very easy, and I'm not counting Balthier. ScatheMote 00:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  7. Sorry, TGC my boy, no matter how Godly you are, Basch here is more awesome. At least he doesnt get shoved at the back seat after he joins your party. And he can even be more invincible than you! Oh, Flame Purge rocks! With love, Leon5550 00:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  8. Thunder God Cid is by all means an atom bomb, but that's just it. Basch here is more relevant to his game, not to mention that he's also the coolest character as well (sorry to break your bubble, Balthier). This dude here is nigh-shakespearean, dammit!Winged Lion 00:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  9. Keiko2113 He's one of the best characters from XII. More of a leading man than Balthier was.
  10. IDK. Anyway because everyone's voting here. Revlolcakes ロル Lol Cakes オケス 02:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  11. Basch, this is way easy. I don't even really know much about the other one, but Basch is my favorite character in XII. George B. (talk) 02:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  12. Basch is one of the few people who saved FF12 list of good characters. That list only includes 2/3 of the main party and a handful of other characters. He stands as my second favorite character in the game, so I will obviously vote for him. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2- 03:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  13. Sora G. Strife 10:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC): HE didn't break my game.
  14. Oh yeah Basch is much cooler! Kuzlalala Squee! 10:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  15. DVRDNR - He's the true/pre-production leading man of XII.
  16. Neosamuel Even thou FF12 wasn't very good, Basch is still far more memorable, plus I acutaly used him in the party almost as soon as I got him and he stayed as my final group (with Vann and Penelo) for the rest of the game.
  17. Sevler425 Yeah Basch was pretty cool, he seemed like more of a leader than Vaan was and hes got some pretty sweet mists.
  18. AcidSnake Basch was more of an interesting character, considering he was betrayed by his own brother just to please his superior.
  19. Meta-Z I played XII, not Tactics. That, and Basch was one of the charactes I used, along with Ashe and Penelo.
  20. Who the F**K is this Count guy? I love XII so this guy wins. Blackwing11 19:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  21. SamSandy: I've played FF XII and not Tactics, so Basch is a natural choice for me. Plus, he's decently developed during the game, unlike several other party members, though I admit his story is quite a cliché.
  22. I always use Basch in FFXII: RW because he has Shining Ray and the Quickening Apocalypse Shield. I own FFT too but I haven't use Orlandeau yet. DieKorruption
  23. Basch Lives! That is all! TheBlueDragoon 05:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  24. Basch is a man among men. Violetmage
  25. Because Basch is BADASS!  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  26. Basch at least felt relevence. Although the Thunder God was good, he only had importance before he joins you. Like Auron, he was the over-powered, uninteresting old guy.--Werefang 19:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  27. Simply because BASCHE ROCKS!!!! Derum
  28. Never heard of the other guy. The 6th angel
  29. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 15:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
  30. Although I hate to add to this landslide of a victory, I know next to nothing about Orlandeau. Another factor is, he is the twin brother of Noah. So yeah. Majyk 16:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
  31. He knows something of cages, the single greatest line in the game. It sounds like something out of Tolkien. Exdeath64 02:32, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
  32. Cryss Im Playing Through Tactics And I Havnt Found The Other Guy... Yet So Im A Little Biased But I Suppose I Will Lend A Vote To Basch As He Had Some Story And Wasnt Unlike Half The Party Sky Pirates, Wanna Be Sky Pirates Or Emotional Foils To Sky Pirates. Plus He Lived In A Cage In Some Pretty Crappy Conditions For A Long Time So He Gets Bonus Points For Sticking With It. Hell If I Find The Other Dude On FFTactics (Im Playing War Of The Lions) I Might Be Inclined To Have Given A Different Vote If This Was To Have Come At A Different Time.
  33. The Thunder God is awesome but Basch is one of the best heroes of the series, face it, he is the leading man. --TenzaZangetsu 11 May 2009(UTC)
  34. Basch is the only one i've met so far so go BaschRikloud 17:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
  35. I'll vote for Basch simply because I've never heard of the other guy. Take no offense. Blazelord
  36. Maverick Riot: TG Cid was amazingly powerful, but Basch is unique. He's not as clichéd. Basch has hidden depths and personality.
  37. "I know something of cages." Epic. - Paramina 17:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
  38. I don't know the other guy, but I think Basch was and is still cool. X-less-Nobody 10:14 15 May 2009 (UTC)
  39. Basch is awesome for reasons outside of pwning everything's face hardcore, which is really all Orlandu does. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes

Knight of Archadia: yeah, I guess not too many people know about the other guy. I just vote fr basch cuz he managed to survive for years in a dungeon.

Votes for Orlandeau

  1. Gramps! I'm with you, even if we lose! Karu
  2. Pity vote...from what I've heard, Orlandeau is a Sword Saint and could outmatch Basch in a sword duel (if that was ever to happen). Way too many people know Basch. Chocolancer 02:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  3. Because Stasis Sword, Lightning Stab and Holy Explosion = win. 8bit 02:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  4. Even at 15 levels below the average party level, he was still the best. --Gamer2127 02:51, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  5. a useful character in tactics... Cid is something!! never played ffxii... OnionKnight23
  6. Because he combines three swordskills into one with twice the power, holds Excalibur when you get him, and he's not just Cid, he's the THUNDER GOD Cid. Doesn't mean I don't like Basch, Orlandeau is just cooler. Yath 13:36 (1:36 PM), 8 May, 2009 (UTC)
  7. Orlandeau <3 Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 13:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  8. Orlaneau is far more overpowered than Basch. Besides, all Basch is good for is hitting things - his tiny caveman brain does not care for niceties such as subtlety or intelligence.The Man In The Black Cape 16:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  9. Ah C'mon dude! How the heck is Basch winning?! Orlandu is arguably the strongest protagonist in Final Fantasy history. Its almost sinful to use him in battle because he's so frickin' strong (like using Mewtwo in all your fights in Pokemon). Good ole' T.G. Cid by a LONG SHOT!Heretic Ramza
  10. Orlandeau is comparable to Beatrix from IX. Totally cheap. - Henryacores^ 20:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  11. Pikmin Master: You've GOT to be kidding me.
  12. ChaosEsperVII: It's TG Cid. His swordskill is unparalled.
  13. Basch may have more character development, but T. G. Cid is just too awexome NOT to vote for. Opario 01:56, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  14. Shadowblade dealing 600 HP at level 55 = pwned. Template:BfDsig
  15. Orlandeau breaks the game. Basch does not. -Nokareon
  16. How the hell is Cid losing this battle!?! He is SO kickass! Words cannot explain in depth T.T He's awesome, so useful in battle, and great story. Also, I prefer Tactics by far over XII Yzz 22:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  17. Just something about being tactical. The.DreadnoughT 17:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
  18. the sword saint...User:SOLDIER1stJ
  19. He's the Thunder God. Do I need another reason? — YuanSaluto!Acta 11:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
  20. Lockhart - TG Cid is unstoppable.
  21. The 4th anon vote said basically what I wanted to say. But I seriously feel the need to reiterate: Why is everyone saying Basch had such a good story? He was revealed to have an evil twin brother that was responsible for all the bad things he supposedly did. Say that to yourself a few times and tell me that's not a cop out, I DARE you! Cid might not be particularly well developed, but at least what development he did get wasn't nauseating.Neo Bahamut 01:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
  22. I wouldn't have beaten Final Fantasy Tactics without Orlandeau. He joined my party right when I was becoming sick of the game and needed a cheap victory strategy. Also, he's three of the best characters rolled into one. Basch is call and all, but I owe a whole victory to Orlandeau. ClixPsi 10:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
  23. I like both equally, so I'll pick the underdog.Xepscern Highwind

Anonymous Votes

  1. His skills kicked ass, Basch was just the same as anyone else. 78.148.130.100 18:32, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. As tough as Basch is, I just can't see him defeating "Thunder God Cid". Orlandu would win 10 seconds into the first round. Sorry Basch, but don't mess with the master!89.240.188.115 07:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
  3. Never played tactics, but i hated Basch 76.234.96.44 21:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

This one was accually hard to decide... Still, I have a feeling Basch'll win this in a landslide... Yath 13:38 (1:38 PM) 8 May, 2009 (UTC)

I really don't understand people who start bashing the voters of the other option when their own favorite is losing. Don't be pathetic sore losers, guys! :P SamSandy 20:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

because as ever the main reason for people voting for basch is because they haven't played tactics. if they had, they'd know how insanely powerful cid is and how pathetic basch is.
I don't vote characters based on their power in battle - and I don't need to play Tactics myself to know how broken Orlandeau is. I give my vote based on how interesting the character is, and to me, Orlandeau is just the typical overpowered mentor, although different from the norm in that he doesn't die in the course of the game. Bashing other people just because they don't share your opinion is childish and pathetic, anyway.SamSandy 18:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll refrain from votingfor Basch, because I haven't played FFT. Suffice to say, Basch's picture is rather more impressive than Cid's (and not just 'cause it's less blurry) -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Cryss Ive Gotta Say Im Enjoying Tactics A Lot. Ive Only Really Just Got Into It. I Mean I Think I Played 10 Hours Last Week Lol. But I Levelled My Characters A Lot So I Think They Are Level 20ish And Ive Only Just Left Goug. But Still I Couldnt Finish XII I Tried Really Hard To Finish It But I Just Couldnt I Even Held Back And Levelled Up On That Too. They Were Level 40ish By The Time I Left Nalbina Dungeons Lol. And They Were Very Rich As Well. Maybe I Should Go Back To It Sometime. But It Will Take A Lot Of Willpower To Make Me Do That. So Story On Tactics Was Amazing Story On XII Acceptable But Leaves Me With A Bad Taste In My Mouth. Kinda Rambled There Sorry Lol

I'm commenting a lot today...okay, first, Cryss: Please, for the love of all things holy & non, USE NORMAL CAPITALIZATION RULES! Your text is an eyesore! I'd actually rather you never capitalize AT ALL, and have a shitload of spelling and grammar problems then talk like that. SamSandy: The other voters sort of deserve bashing when they express their complete ignorance of the other character, yet still show pride in their decision. It has nothing to do with whether or not the desired character is losing (if you'll notice, back in Jecht vs. Terra, I scolded both sides for voting with just the reasoning "they are better because they are better"), although that does irritate me, because it's the epitome of a graphics equals the game scenario. And Orlandeu is overpowered, but I fail to see how he's a mentor...except maybe to Orran...?Neo Bahamut 01:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I've read through the Tactics storyline, although I haven't played the game myself. I didn't mean that Orlandeau was a mentor to someone specific, it's just his JRPG stereotype - the elderly wizened war veteran, who guides the younger heroes in battle. Just like Auron, Cyan, Steiner, Barret and many other Cids in the series. I still don't think it's cool to bash other people for their opinions here, no matter how poorly reasoned they are - these are just FF-characters we're talking about here, not politics. ;) SamSandy 21:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I can see that. And I'm sorry, but do you have any idea how annoying it is to keep hearing that Basch isn't cliche? They pulled the twin brother card! That's the oldest trick in the oldest VERSION of the book!Neo Bahamut 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Lol at the 4th annon vote for Cid. Altho I agree to what he says about him, lets not forget it's Basch who started all the mess in FFXII (indirectly) And the two characters are actually the mirror of each other. Albeit Basch have a bit more spotlight. So saying Basch/Cid stinks and have noting to do in the game is pretty dumb, both are the "invisible" driving force of their game. And uhh... "He (Cid) was the most useful character in the entire game with the only exception being Cloud" good luck playing FFT that way, pal. Leon5550 03:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I've got to agree with that last one. The SOLDIER job had slow techniques and weak armor. Cloud's least useful job was his special job so you might as well have used a genaric character.--Werefang 19:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Although I'm inclined to agree with you, a Job is useful depending on how you use it. Cloud's Finishing Touch, for example, is remarkably fast & successful for an instant-defeat move. Also, I fail to see how the characters "mirror" each other. They're famous hero archetypes, but that's about it. Really, Orlandeu DID have a lot to do with the game. People just tend to focus on what he does when he joins the party, not what he does while he's still an NPC. Basch, on the other hand, really didn't do anything except improperly fertilize an egg cell while a sperm, only to get screwed over by it later on.Neo Bahamut 01:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Can we switch the bright yellow and orange colours for something more fitting? @_@ Template:BfDsig

Or at least which doesn't blind you? Seriously, neon stopped being cool in the '80s, or at some point in time like that. The.DreadnoughT 17:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it Cid or Cid's ridiculous usable power that's getting votes? I'm confused. Lol. It's like there's 3 characters in this match. A-to-the-M

That's because Cid IS two people. HAHAHA! Sorry I couldn't resist. ChaosEsperVII

Two people in that he has two physical bodies, or two people in that he's a schizoid? MechaUltimaZero

Two people for multiple personalities, I think ChaosEsper meant. Schizoid, I believe, referrs to a "schizophrenic," which means they imagine other people. People with multiple personalities imagine other versions of themselves. Of course, the professional English-speaker whose native language is English, twice might reply, we may both have the definition wrong, or I might, or something. The.DreadnoughT 21:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, it's more-or-less right. Schizophrenia doesn't necessarily have anything to do with imagining other people. It's basically that you hear your thoughts, but are unable to distinguish that they are actually coming from you, internally. Hence, you "hear voices." Also, I really hope that isn't what ChaosEsper meant, as it kinda makes no sense....Neo Bahamut 01:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
See? I knew you'd have something to say. Also, being psychic, I know that Neo Bahamut will at some point respond to this comment too. The.DreadnoughT 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, yeah. You're sort of goading me into responding.Neo Bahamut 03:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I think he is refering to Orlandu's power and that he has the capacity to replace two characters.--Werefang 18:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Probably. But he really should have said 4 or 5. Although, to those looking to reduce Orlandeu's formidable power to that of an ordinary special: Take his Excalibur away. It has over 2x as much attack power as any other weapon you can get under ordinary circumstances.Neo Bahamut 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes puppets, ponder at my words! Yes I did mean that his power is enough for him to equal two people. Seriously, can you imagine if Orlandeau was schizophrenic? ChaosEsperVII

I find the fourth anon vote for Basch intriguing... -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 14:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Lol Where I Am From They Describe That As A Vote Fail. Cryss

Shouldn't it have "FAIL" written on it in 96pt Impact font then? :P -- Sorceror Nobody Flan 22:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I may be overstepping my authority on this a bit, but I went ahead & moved that. Ie mean, it's pretty obvious, and even if you can find some contrived way of saying it should be where it was, it won't make a difference. Orlandeu is, unfortunately, going to lose, largely because Basch is more popular, and people will look the other way while saying how powerful Basch is (which he isn't) while complaining about Orlandeu.Neo Bahamut 01:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
You know what? Only one of these anonymous votes SHOULDN'T have "FAIL" written on it in 96pt Impact font, actually- the eighth one for Cid whats'isface, 'cause that's the only one that happens to be signed properly. Don't unsigned anonyvotes not count? The.DreadnoughT 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't think they do. Which, really, can you actually expect a non-registered user to know that? Meh, regardless...I felt better moving the vote to where it belonged than to outright delete it. Don't ask me why. In any case, the actual move will have no real outcome, regardless of whether or not the vote is counted. I just did it 'cause it was annoying me, and it seemed more productive than making jokes about it.Neo Bahamut 03:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I seriously had intended to move it, to be nice to the anonymous people, but when I'm not sure I have the authority to fix a problem, and don't want to fix it and get banned, I make fun of it until someone fixes it. That's just how I am. Oh, and, yes, you can, since the top of the page says "make sure to sign up your votes with '~~~~'", or something. The.DreadnoughT 21:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I guess you got me there. As for getting banned, meh, shit happens. Just call this a calculated risk.Neo Bahamut 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

And, Cryss, I agree with NB: is it really necessary to Capitalize Every Word You Ever Write? It Gets Hard To Understand Because Things Like Proper Nouns And Sentence Breaks (Full Stop Or A Period) Are Harder To Find. (but go ahead, if you still want to. I can deal with it, not being a "grammar Nazi"... unlike some people, who I am tempted to link, but won't.) The.DreadnoughT 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Grammar Naziism nothing. I don't know where the Hell that stupid typing tendency came from, but those who do it should be given the option to either quit or be shot. It's more infuriating than? that? thing some YouTube? tards do where they put question? marks at random points in the sentence? except for at the end of an actual? question. You know what I mean? don't you.Neo Bahamut 03:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I do now, I guess. MechaUltimaZero 12:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
? ( The.DreadnoughT 21:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC))
There are a few general YouTube Tard style tendencies beyond chatspeak and mispellings. Essentially, There's The Talk Like This One and? the? talk like? this one where? the only place that can't get a? question mark is? where one would actually? go? Ugh, and don't even get me started on their style of arguing. "U type in paragraphs, so its 2 much 4 mi tiny mind to reed, but I'll pretend I know what I'm talking about, anyway! BTW, sense u type a lot, that makes u a idiot, + not me. Lol. I win. U phail. Go die." YouTubers will give you brain cancer. I swear to Ajora Glabados, bro.Neo Bahamut 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Cryss I apologise just i've become very used to capatalizing each word and I know some people have like super death threats against people who do it and want me shot ;)But in general I jut type faster capitalizing each word like its kinda my thing though. However for intens and purposes I can just change my writing style to make everyone happy hehe. Ill remember normal language for the DNC :) :P Anyway lets get back to points people this is the interblag not grammar naziism forum. To be honest I voted for Basch because I had no idea who the other guy is and to be honest I know thats an unfair way to do it.I mean I kinda like Basch but if it was any other character I doubt my vote would have gone for him unless it was for someone I truely hate and that would probably be off the top of my head Vann lol and I dont think many XII v XII fights occur. Who else who voted for Basch only did so because they didnt know who the other dude was because im kinda interested and how many actually play Tactics in general??? (Im playing through war of the lions right now lol) :)
Trust me, you were far from alone. Practically every other vote for Basch is talking about how they have no idea who Orlandeu is. The one about his picture annoyed me, although I chose not to comment, as I have to admit that Orlandeu's attire really isn't that impressive. As a matter of fact, that picture is by far the most badass one I've ever seen of the guy. His in-game sprite just kinda looks fat and stout, due to the graphical limitations, and the picture of him on the cover of the game is so bland.Neo Bahamut 04:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Sorry, but that thing just sort of sends me into a rage. >_> Kinda like one-sided DNC fights, & XII itself. (The Neo loves to push peoples' buttons.)Neo Bahamut 04:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, well, that certainly explains part of it. Because you see, I never go on YouTube, since I always have other stuff to do when I'm on the Net. But yeah, that's really annoying when you think about it. MechaUltimaZero 12:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


Neo Bahamut, you swear to who? The.DreadnoughT 23:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

In Final Fantasy Tactics, the game Orlandeu is from, Ajora Glabados was the central figure of the Mullonde Glabados Church. Think of it like the Catholic Church, and Ajora as Jesus. Like the Catholic Church, a lot of details about Ajora's life were distorted. (Spoilers start here.) Such as the fact that he was really a she, a spy who sold information to rival countries, and was truly the host of the leader of the Lucavi demons. (Spoilers end here.) Ajora is also referenced in FFXII, in one of the Clan Primer entries, as "founding a new sect of the Light of Kilitia," or whatever the Hell their religion is called. I felt it appropriate to use Ajora instead of--*dons fire hazard suit for imminent flaming*--Sephiroth, whom I usually substitute with God in that colliquialism.Neo Bahamut 04:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Also, you mean "whom." Not "who." "Who" is used whenever it's replacing the subject of the sentence. The subject of your sentence was me, Neo Bahamut. The object of your sentence was the pronoun replacing Ajora Glabados, which should be "whom," as it is an object. (The Neo is also a Grammar Nazi of epic proportions.)Neo Bahamut 04:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
That makes one of us, don't it? I have respect for grammar, but I am also an anti-Grammar Nazi. MechaUltimaZero 12:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


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