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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

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Week 114: Ultima v. Zodiark

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The high goody goody light summon versus the super dark emo goth baddy summon. Feel free to consider this a Tactics battle too, since they appear there also, and in a form more describable in words.

Votes for Ultima

  1. Lol, my name is the greatest reason i could think of. Ultima The High Seraph 09:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  2. Gonna have to go with Ultima, at least on her I can tell where her face is... Also FFTA... --Zephyrus11 10:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  3. She's pretter. Kuzlalala 12:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  4. I've always liked the design of Ultima because it feels different. Like a Seraphim or some such being. Summoner Seikyu
  5. It took me FOREVER to decide. In the end I'd rather NOT feel holy wrath. Plus I'm with the light. One day, I will get first vote! Judge Balthier 14:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  6. I'm not too keen on darkness and evil. The light always wins anyway. (Isn't that what Final Fantasy is all about, goodness and purity kicking evil's ass?) - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2.png- 18:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  7. BlueHighwind : Even if FFXII Ultima looks like she's half table, she's still better than the fish in the horseshoe.
  8. ScatheMote 19:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  9. Jeppo: There's no way I'm voting for a fish!
  10. I ignored Zodiark. There are 12 astrological titles, not 13. And, of the twelve, Ultima is the mightiest. She led a rebellion against the gods, created an oppresive religion, and sacrificed hundreds of thousands for her resurrection. Don't mess with Ultima. ClixPsi
  11. I'm playing FFXII right now, but haven't played any FFT. But Ultima's one cool summon, I gotta say. Violetmage
  12. Hmm...If Ultima were a humanoid, she would be like Cosmos' sister...or cousin. Anyway, I'm more light than dark. ~P.M. 00:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  13. Altima. Mistranslation or not, it sounds better than Ultima. More feminine. Anyway: Zodiark didn't do anything noteworthy in EITHER game. And don't let the light/dark thing fool you (especially since Zodiark attacked the exact same way in Tactics >_>), ALTIMA is the evil one, she'll blow you to shit, then burn you in Hell.Neo Bahamut 01:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  14. Ultima means just that - ultimate. Also, it's the same name as the first RPG I ever played RowdyCMoore
  15. I'll pick Ultima. Haven't seen either of them ever in the game, so I'll take light over dark. Kupuntu 06:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  16. I'll go with Ultima, I know it only from FFTa2, which it's really helpful, but also only as the spell it's based off of, which is really helpful (despite it's 'Bugness', or irrevalence to the story AFTER you get it in FF2). 13:27 8 April 2009 (UTC)Yath
  17. Of the two elements I like Light more. Ultima's definitely no Alexander and can't hold a candle to him, though. AnonyMan
  18. Mr. Rojo: I like more light than darkness and I like a lot Ultima (Altima :B) in FFT. 01:20 9 April 2009
  19. Wahahaha! she shares her name with the ultima magic, and has a cannon under her dress Archmael
  20. Ultima is the best summon in FFXII Mr_Darkside 07:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  21. **spoilers** I beat The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess fifteen minutes ago, and Ultima reminds me of Midna in sexy form. Except they're exact opposites. Lulz. **spoilers** Template:BfDsig

Anonymous Votes

  1. 19:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC) because she's virgo, she's perdy, she's holy and she's the ultimate :D
  2. 22:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC) I'm voting for Ultima cuz she rocks. She may not be pretty, but those golden wings are beautiful and awesome. Plus, I'd pick light over darkness anyday.
  3. Neuro: Ultima= Eden= FF8= Vote

Votes for Zodiark

  1. Valeria : Zodiark is a powerhouse.
  2. Josejoejoey :
  3. He is existance and destruction. Even the gods fear him. Werefang 15:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  4. Because he's cool, and by the way Ultima is NOT good looking, no matter how many times you sick souls say it to yourselfs, she still aint.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 19:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  5. I honestly coundn't decide because I didn't care. But Zodiark is supposed to be more powerful, so... - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  6. I go with Darkness, and Zodiark is way better then Ultima.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 20:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  7. I didn't even know this one existed. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 22:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  8. Damn, it's hard. But altho Ultima led the rebellion, looks like some earth-destroying satellite, and is FFT's antagonist, I'll go with Zodiark. He may looks like a worm in a horseshoe, but he's so powerful the gods gota stop him from growing any stronger, and he's still a pain in your party's hard ass to beat. Imagine and adult Zodiark. (Maybe that's what Yiazmat is...) Leon5550 23:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
  9. I admit I don't know much about this thing at all, or about the summoned version of Ultima, but Ultima (the spell) has a really lame animation, and I don't feel like voting for anything "light." Go evil! The.Dreadnought 01:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  10. BrodyGunner - Zodiark may be a weird fish...thing with an overdrawn, lame attack, but he's still cool. Better than freaking Ulti-skirt
  11. Super dark emo goth baddy summon- Lolcakes 04:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  12. Zodiark is unexplainable: instant win. Besides, Ophiuchus > Virgo. - Henryacores^ 14:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  13. ArableLadle: Emo summon :3
  14. This thing was WAY harder to kill then ultima. Exdeath64 17:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  15. KinofChoas if a warrior of light uses a dark summon, no one will see it coming
  16. Let Darkness Rein OwlEye 20:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  17. So... a monster that is feared by gods vs a strange looking thing sitting on a flying seat. This is the basic (and always a classic) fight... dark vs light and since shadows cover light it is pretty easy pickings for Zodiark--Blackwing11 23:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  18. Zodiark Sibyrihl
  19. Heretic Ramza Even though Ultima, is Ivalices version of Satan, Zodiark is the only scion/summon that is stronger and un corrupted by her.
  20. Just hate the Esper design of Ultima. Also, Serpentarius/Ophiucius/whatever is cool. Snakes are cool. And Ultima's shots come from its... well, you know. I don't call that a virgo. Zak Undersn 16:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  21. Ultima rocks, but Zodiark is stronger, and he's only a baby! Do you know anything else that kicks so much butt while being only a baby? Gyromite 08:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

The light doesn't suit me.

2. All hail the Ouroboros based summon! (odd man out)

  1. 14:52, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
  1. Let Zodiark and Ultima have a fight. It can kill a few Ultimas with the 50000 damage!!! How about Ultima? Limited by the 9999 damage cap...
  2. Zodiark murders everything ever with his final eclipse move and darkness is WAY better than light

Peanut Gallery

Yes! My suggestion happened. I-I can't decide! NOOOO!!! Judge Balthier 14:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Um... congrats?  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 19:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Not too bad. I'm still trying to think of a fight I'd be interested in, besides a rematch of Kefka vs. Sephiroth (to see if the outcome will change after AC & all fo that shit). Anyway, opinionated asshole time: I do think Altima (I like the mistranslation better) looked pretty good, in her first form, and her FFXII form has something high-&-mighty about it, as well. Plus, it's sort of a combination of her 2 original forms (and a weird airship thing), which is neat. Personally, I like the Tactics designs better, but XII did something neat in that it gave them an Eastern design, to contrast the medieval characteristics of the original Lucavi. In fact, I wish the original Altima had those golden wings. That was an awesome idea. And, as much as I hate XII's storyline for the Espers, they did establish an origin of the Lucavi, which was good. What else? Little annoyed that all of the Zodiark votes are all "omg dark=cool," but whatever.Neo Bahamut 01:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Um, for those people above calling Zodiark a fish, it's supposed to be a snake. It's supposed to be modeled after an imaginary thirteenth zodiac symbol. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2.png- 01:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The 13th Zodiac Symbol isn't imaginary, it was one of the ones originally proposed, but it obviously didn't make the final cut. It fulfills all the requirements for an astralogical sign, but there just weren't enough months. It isn't called Serpentarius, though. It's Ophicles, or something like that. The serpent bearer.Neo Bahamut 02:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, imaginary or not, it's not a fish and not an official zodiac symbol. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2.png- 02:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
It looks more like a fish than it does a snake. Jeppo 02:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Don't blame me, blame FFXII's graphics designers. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2.png- 02:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I DO blame XII's graphic designers! A lot of that shit looks like somebody was having a seizure while they were drawing it! In particular, I hate how all of the dragons have rings around their necks...did Amano do the art for this one?Neo Bahamut 03:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Bahamuth in FFX has a stupid ring in his back, but I assume that you forgot it. Karu
Only one thing, Nomura is a poor designer. Amano's style is weird, but as designer is infinitely better than i-draw-all-my-characters-with-the-fucking-same-face Nomura. The only few good characters drawn by Nomura were all designed by Amano. Just STFU if you, as always, don't know what are you talking about. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 02:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
You can blame them all you want. I think they did a good job compared to all the other games. It's got to be pretty hard to design the entire world of the game as a single continuous dungeon. Most of the earlier games just had the world map with a handfull of places to explore. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2.png- 03:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
FFX had much better art, and its world was designed in a similar way. And even though the other games weren't as graphically advanced, at least you could tell were the summons' faces were.Neo Bahamut 03:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
IMO, I think FFXII has the best art, but that's just me. And you guys forgot one very important aspect. Zodiark is just a "child" esper, the gods stops his growth. He's a larva esper, not those full grown adults. In that, the designers did an excellent job doing a larva demi-god, full with the harness (horseshoe) he'll wear when he's all grown up. Leon5550 05:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Good art doesn't equal to clear pictures. It's really hard to tell or remember the summons from XII, but I still think they're beautiful. FFX was a damn good game and it was colorful and beautiful too, but the graphics aren't very pretty compared to XII. Kupuntu 06:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Even though I like Amano's artwork, there are few of his which are pretty flattening. Nomura may be a poor designer but the characters he created was photorealisitic in CG. (BTW, I think The Last Remnant have an even better art than any FF game.) MTC
NeoBawmut, just stick your tongue into your asshole and leave it for a while. Your entire life, for example. Zak Undersn 16:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Does someone need a hug? I suggest you keep those dumbass comments to yourself, Hamsh-Zak m'boy. He stated his opinion, yet you attack him. Judge Balthier 00:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

NeoBahamut is always insulting and disrespecting everyone than didn't think like him, and also he thinks he knows everything even in things he know nothing about (many of them). I understand Zak, patience has limits. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 02:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Week 113: Ramuh v. Leviathan

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51 ½ to 15
Its really hard to tell when you drop the toaster into the bathtub whether the water or the electricity hurts more, contents of the bathtub aside, so the only reasonable Final Fantasy way of deciding is putting the thunder shaker up against the great water wyrm.
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Votes for Ramuh

  1. First vote, yay!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 02:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  2. Second vote. There's something I just find very cool about Ramuh. He may be an old man, but he's got spunk. In short, I like him better because he has more of a personality than Leviathan. George B. (talk) 04:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  3. He had way more storyline purpose than Leviathan. --BigCubby 11:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  4. I prefer the elderly. Besides, Leviathan should be this bigass fish, not some eel. Leon5550 13:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  5. Easier to kill, less MP to use, but less powerful...two out of three ain't bad. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  6. That rumble we call "thunder" is caused by air literally EXPLODING. Last time I checked, when water falls from the sky, little kids and dogs play in it, rather than hiding under the bed. And water doesn't cause the air to explode.The.Dreadnought 21:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  7. While Leviathan may have debuted first, Ramuh is the thurder summon on par with Shiva and Ifrit. He may have been shafted in recent titles, but he use to be the standard for thunder summons. Ramuh's story importance has typically exceeded Leviathan. Ramuh was a sort of guiding spirit for the parties of FFVI and IX by pointing the groups in the right direction before they became actual summons. The best Levianth got was being the king of the Feymarsh in FFIV. ClixPsi
  8. I hate Ramuh, but I hate Leviathan more. Waffletime 12:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  9. Akbaroth 05:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)i cried tears of joy after reading vote #6
  10. Skoot85 uhhh i like ramuh :D
  11. Vegna Gunner It's the classic case of thunder vs water, so there's no arguement in a fight
  12. AnonyMan: Well, Ramuh is a cool Summon, especially in the games where he's got a character and personality(like IX). I have much respect for Leviathan, though, and I'm quite surprised with the number of votes he has.
  13. Char6296 Eh, the guy has helped me so many times in FFIV. :)
  14. cloudiroth Lightning > Water. (and also machine's that one never made sense, surely water would be better, short circuit them or something). Oh, and infinitely useful thunder god > slightly awesome but hard to look at sea dragon, that is initially cool but soon realised completely useless (VIII was the only time i think I ever use the leviathan summon more than once).
  15. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - I expected him to lose, but not this badly...

Anonymous Votes

Kairyu - Erm... it's a thunder elemental versus a water one. No contest, even if one of them's a frail old man and the other's a huge sea serpent. In this case, the oldie FRIES the serpent. CG - Ramuh has personality, a spark, if you will. My vote goes to him over Levvy.

Votes for Leviathan

  1. BlueHighwind : Water is blue, so I always liked that element the best.
  2. Leviathan is one of my favorite summons, and its FFVIII artwork is a favorite talk bubble image of mine. 8bit 02:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  3. I have a Leviathan Master Creatures figure...sorry Ramuh...Chocolancer 02:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  4. The Leviathan is my second favorite summon next to Bahamut.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4.png 02:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  5. Uhh.. Lolcakes 03:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  6. First vote: Lightning is blue, too. Meh. I never liked Ramuh as a summon. Or any other of the lightning summons, either. Plus, Leviathan is usually more powerful. And it's worshipped as a GOD in FFVII! Phallic or not, it's getting my vote!Neo Bahamut 04:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  7. Derum Leviathan FTW, Baby!
  8. ...Because Leviathan has an airship named after it. (There's no Airship named Ramuh, right?) Also, Ramuh was a random encounter at FFV. It attacked when my party was dying. DVardonir 10:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  9. Leviathan PWNS!!!!! and he was the first GF you could boost to over 200 percent damnage and had a REALLY cool animation. --Gerdat14 11:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  10. Tsunami beats Judgement Bolt any day of the week. Jeppo
  11. All hail Leviathan!!! My favorite summon :3 Karu
  12. Levy! CookiePinguy 13:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  13. I'm an Aquarius and Leviathan represents water...so yeah... Judge Balthier 13:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  14. I always loved Leviathan, is my second favourite summon. It's a fucking awesome-cool-huge- dragonlike sea serpent, like Jormungand <3 I specially like the VIII version. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  15. Even though water is weak to lightening, I'm still going to go with Leviathan. The damage it usually causes is of "Biblical proportions", lol Heretic Ramza
  16. If it was quesacotl, i woluld have voted differently, however Lavisthan look awesome in VIII. And Ramuh reminds me of the worst ideah aver, a God version of Tellah. 1stclasswarrior 14:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  17. Yeah I idea for a battle got picked again :) Mr_Darkside 19:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  18. Leviathan is beautiful...and pretty much kills everything until you get Bahamut. - Henryacores^ 18:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  19. ScatheMote 20:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  20. Go the snake thing!! AtmaCrisis 23:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
  21. Leviathan is one of the hidden summons that you have to fight as a boss before useing, so that puts it on the same level as Behamut, but nowhere close to beating him. Ramuh doesn't stand a chance. - Ninja of Wind Ninja of Wind2.png- 00:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  22. Leviathan saved my butt in FFVIII. I've also always had a fascination with water. Violetmage
  23. BrodyGunner - Leviathan kicks ass, without legs!
  24. Rydiaofmist: This one is easy. Water is my favorite element, and I'm a huge fan of serpents.
  25. No contest whatsoever. Seeing as you get Leviathan near the end of most Final Fantasy games, I'm gonna have to vote for Leviathan, because as much as Ramuh has helped me through the series... Leviathan's just bad-ass. KytaEternal 08:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  26. SeKaLoYa 13:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC) Thunder and lightning can be avoided, but what makes it CERTAIN DEATH is if you're drenched in water...
  27. I just love Leviathan. Serpents are too friggin' awesome. And Leviathan is above that. Anyway, Ramuh rocks. An old man who can strike people with thunderbolts aimed to his own cane can't be any bad. But Leviathan is far greater than that, he's... Leviathan. Zak Undersn 15:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  28. Sevler425Leviathan was one of my favorite Summons, he had alot of power plus hes kinda unique. And water is just a cool element.
  29. Water's my element. -Alarielle- 16:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  30. BLOOD!!!  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 17:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  31. I have to say Leviathan. I absolutely love the Leviathan summon and i really didn't care for the old dude with the lightning. If it was like Leviathan vs Bahamut, or Leviathan vs Shiva, i would have a harder time choosing. so LEVY ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leonhart178 19:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  32. The lord of of the sea dragons pwns the crothcety old geezer OwlEye 19:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  33. Leviathan! Wish he had been in X, they needed a water summon. --Zephyrus11 21:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  34. Leviathan would so kick Ramuh's butt, anytime, anyday. Soldier of Light
  35. --JohnnyC 01:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
  36. MTC
  37. I've just always like Leviathan more. I think it's his art... I dunno, I just like him! 02:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
  38. I was always wondering why he wasn't an aeon in ffx. ChaosEsperVII
  39. Leviathan. Sibyrihl
  40. I'm currently listening to Blue by A Perfect Circle. And blue is such a lovely colour for you. I love being random. :D Template:BfDsig
  41. This was kinda hard, but in the end... SOLDIER1stJ
  42. Leviathan looks cooler, even though I don't even know this summon (I only know Ramuh) Kuzlalala 12:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
  43. I think Leviathan is cooler even tho I don't use summons that much. Kupuntu 19:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
  44. A giant Leviathan vs a puney little man... you do the math.--Blackwing11 01:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
  45. Lockhart - Gotta go with Leviathan here.
  46. Leviathan's a mighty sea beast, Ramuh's an old man... SonOfAJenova 20:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
  47. Leviathan is the best. Kurokikaze 09:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
  48. Maverick Riot
  49. RoxasXIII While Ramuh is often wise, Leviathan is a complete badass, being far stronger, harder to get etc. Also he usually has better summon animations.
  50. Mr. Rojo: I like a lot Leviathan, he is strong, he usually has great summon animations & i like more water. 20:36, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. 21:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC) Even though I'm unfamiliar with both summons, I have to vote for Leviathan, mostly because I prefer water over lightning, his name has more elegance than Ramuh, he seems more beautiful, and not to mention that I luv aqua way more than electric blue and lightning gold / yellow. =)
  2. I have lots of respect for Ramuh, but I gotta vote for Leviathan due to its massive power. Usually, Leviathan is second only to Bahamut in terms of damage/power
  3. 20:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

Hmm...I'm really having a hard time deciding on this one. I happen to like both elements. Cluna 06 02:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Yuck, it took me forever to decide. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf.jpg (T/C) 02:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Technically, if you drop the toaster (or any other electrical appliance for that matter) into the bath then nothing would happen. The electricity won't reach the water in the bath for the simple reason that it would melt the fuse of the toaster. Jeppo 12:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Technically, if you drop the toaster and the fuse doesn't melt, the electrical current won't reach the water either. Water is a poor conductor. What would fry the person in the bathtub would be the electricity moving through the metallic ions dissolved in the water. Faethinverba volant 15:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It would have been cooler if it had Quetzacoatl. In my opinion. Judge Balthier 13:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Quetzal rulz. In the original aztec mythology, Ramuh and him are the same person. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 14:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
DS artwork may have been better, Ramuh just looks like a multicoloured cloth. 1stclasswarrior 14:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

To the guy who said that Leviathan should be a fish: Are you aware of the fact that the Bible SPECIFICALLY refers to Leviathan as a serpent & a dragon? Also, moar nitpicking: A lightning bolt is very unlikely to injure a person. Nine times out of ten, they strike nothing. Sure, they CAN take out a dozen people at once, but lightning is unpredictable and unreliable. A tsunami, on the other hand, WILL tear through a third world country and kill hundreds of people, as well as destroying the general landscape and architecture.Neo Bahamut 23:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, sometimes Leviathan is represented as a giant whale. Karu
And as a huge (and usually fat) shark. I saw representations of Leviathan as a inmense abyssal fish, too. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 20:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah, but are those portrayls ACCURATE to the ORIGINAL description? The only one I would say makes a claim to be what Leviathan "should be" is a whale, as it's often been theorized that Leviathan is like most sea monsters: Overexaggerations of something that actually exists. And even then, as a fantasy genre, it should go with the exaggerated version.Neo Bahamut 21:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Originally, God created in the fifth day of the creation two monstrous whale-like fishs: male and female. God killed the female, because if they were to procreate the world could not stand before them, but had mercy on the male, called Leviathan. In the Bible adaptation, the one killed was the male. Search well in the Bible (or use google, wikipedia can help you too). Sin (FFX) is a more accurate version of the original Leviathan than the summon one. The original Bahamut was a ugly fish, too XD By the way, why are you always shouting in your edits? relax, man. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 22:32, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
In fact, the very firsts representations of the Leviathan were a plain fish. A big one, but a fish. No more, no less. Anyway, with the time, the word twisted and the appearance of the monster did too. Some of the quotes about the Leviathan mention him like a gigantic (hundreds of miles in lenght) fish with horns. Also, biblic Behemot is ugly. Zak Undersn 22:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I get the point, the Bible is a vague-ass book that doesn't give any useful details. But seriously, who wants a fish? Then again, there is like a 16-foot long fish that is essentially a sea serpent....
If you don't like the fish version, ok everyone respects your opinion, but don't go saying that the serpent one is the original, because it's not true. And no. A 16-foot long fish is not a sea serpent. It can be fat. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
And bitch, it is EMPHSESIS. ALL CAPS! is shouting. ALL CAPS. is emphesis. ALL CAPS with some lower case letters! Is a bit of both. If there is a bold function, I have no idea how to use it, and no desire to learn.Neo Bahamut 00:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Just STFU, will you? Zak Undersn 12:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Again insulting *sigh*. Simply use your eyes. When you edit, the bold function code is in the left side. It appears as default. Using caps all the time is really annoying. And you too. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Seriously mercy rule Osf 22:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh no, another landslide victory! I didn't know everyone loved Leviathan, I thought Ramuh was a well-liked summon. Chocolancer 04:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

What on Earth would make you say that? An old guy who shoots lightning. Bo-ring.Neo Bahamut 21:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, this was pretty much lopsided. That was unexpected. IMO. I hate those types of matches. Judge Balthier 14:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that Leviathan is more powerful in many games. And power is what's most important for a summon, isn't it ? -Alarielle- 16:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Not at all, many people (like me) prefers coolness. If you make a match between... Ifrit and... Titan, Kjata, Typhoon or someone else I probably will vote Ifrit, I just love him. Same in a Shiva vs Ultima. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 19:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Most people probably go with power, but add me to the coolness (& usefulness, in some cases) tally. If you put Valefor and Anima up against each other, I'd vote for Valefor. Anima is cool, but...ooh, dark summon. So original. And yeah, I don't like landslides, either.Neo Bahamut 21:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

To the person wondering why Leviathan wasn't in FFX: Too similar to Sin. There also might be some problems in designing the summon to fit with the rest, but the carving in Crisis Core really reminded me of an FFX Leviathan.Neo Bahamut 01:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

That's probably true... I'm just used to the games having a water summon. The element is just as central as lightning/blizzard/fire in the games. At least as far as summons go... They don't use water magic much... Plus A fayth statue of leviathan would look so raw. ChaosEsperVII
The monster in the Monster arena entrance wall looked like Leviathan. I saw a fan picture of A Leviathan fayth statue and Tidus was the fayth as it was Yuna's final summoning fayth, It was kinda koolMr_Darkside 13:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
You an FFT fan? (Joke about you using a "k" instead of a "c.") Anyway, that Final Aeon thing makes sense, in a way. Too bad we'll never know for sure.
And really, they screw you over with elements all the time. VII had several annoying ones: Alexander was the ONLY holy attack, there were no water spells, you couldn't use Aero despite having 2 wind summons (I think that was a last minut e exclusion, actually--there was a Quake spell), and there were several attacks that used multiple elements, and if the enemy was healed by or immune to 1, then the entire attack was wasted.
Then, in FFT, a lot of enemies were weak to water, but your only water attack was Leviathan.
Also, Crisis Core particularly annoys me, because it has fire/lightning/and blizzard materia, but only the fire element makes any difference--and not often--in your enemies.Neo Bahamut 19:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Mr. Darkside if you woulf show me that Fayth statue, I would greatly appreciate it. It would make sense that Tidus would take that form because of the whole water theme with him. ChaosEsperVII

What a very weird outcome. Especially considering Water is a fairly unpopular and underrepresented element. Anony

To be honest, I'm not surprised in the slightest. Ramuh is so...unimpressive. I remember seeing him for the first time in FFVII, and going, "What the Hell was that?! It was just some old guy!" I took an instant preference to Ixion (even though I'm not fond of him, either.) I mean, damn, at least when Shiva attacks, she doesn't look like she's riddled with arthiritis!Neo Bahamut 07:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I love Ixion. ChaosEsperVII
Unicorns suck. Especially ones with pointlessly ornate and topheavy horns. And someone mentioned being confused at why lightning worked on machines: That confused me at first, too, but when you think about it, most technology is waterproofed. A lightning bolt, on the other hand, will ALWAYS cause a short circuit. Even so, it's not like that in every game. In Crisis Core, lightning didn't do anything special robots, much to my dismay. They just made robots devoid of MP to drain, the bastards.Neo Bahamut 00:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
The biggest cheap shot when it comes to Machines vs Thunder is the fact that their weak against it in FFX, but asorb it in FFX-2.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2.png 10:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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