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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because user and anonymous votes carry different weight. Votes put in the wrong section will be deleted. Users who do not log in when they vote will be considered anonymous IPs, and their votes also will be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the previous fight's votes will be totaled and its winner decided. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.


Week 95: Blue Mage v. Mime

Ffta-h-bluemage
Winner!!
undecided
FFT Mime
I can learn your magic!
I can learn your magic!
...
...
Stop copying me...
Stop copying me...
Ok, that isn't funny...
Ok, that isn't funny... but it totally is.

Votes for Blue Mage

  1. Go Blue Mages! They're useful in IX, TA and TA2, anyway. And who wouldn't vote for the job class that includes Quina? Hmm....? You have problem? 8bit 02:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. Blue Magic is just...better. Cluna 06 02:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. Let's see... B of...Bad Breath! L of...Level 5 Death! U of...Unction! E of...Exploder! M of...Mighty Guard! A of...Aqua Breath! G of...Goblin Punch! E of...Earth Shake! Goooo Blue Mage! - Henryacores^ 02:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. While both takes a great while before they could be use, Blue Mage learns abilities along the way as you progress. When you obtain Mimes, it's usually a good 99% close to the end of the game. Bluer 02:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  5. Blue Magic is essentially the ability to mimic some of your opponents' moves. Take that! - Deadlyslashsword
  6. What better way is there to defeat a monster than imitating a monster? --SCM
  7. I never liked Mimes. Just like in real life, I think it's annoying when somebody copies someone else. Though it can be useful at times, I prefer variety and can't stand doing the same things multiple times at once in a same battle round. Variety is the best and it is what they excel at! Free bird 02:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  8. My favorite color mage!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 03:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  9. Pikmin Master: The first time I played FFV, I rushed to get the Blue Mage costume. The suit is awesome. With or without the mask which makes me looks like Robin.
  10. Blue Mages always come in handy. Mimes, not so much outside of FFV. Gotta go with Blue Mages this time. --Tex Howdy! 03:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

Votes for Mime

  1. BlueHighwind This fight could be better known as "the battle between two superfluous Job Classes". Things were far better in FFVII when they were nothing but Materia. I vote Mime because they were at least useful in FFV. Blue Mages have never been characters worth anything.
  2. Agreed, Blue. FF6, 8 and 9 all had horrible Blue Magic systems, while FF7 had an awesome Blue Magic system. On the other hand, the ability to Mimic others has always been highly powerful, especially for spamming summons in FF6. Drake Clawfang
  3. Nothing's better than doing the same mess twice... for free no less! Leon5550
  4. Uhhh... Two classes I don't use... At all. But I have to say Coping the moves of others sounds better than risking death by getting hit with a spell. That's just not smart. EmptySky
  5. Mimicing an ally's attack seems more appealing to me than having to take a blow from the enemy. Also, I find their outfits more interesting.--Otherarrow 03:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  6. Mimes are pretty awesome. Blue Mages are alright but I never really use them.--Oranejo 03:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

Peanut Gallery

The biggest plus about Blue Magic is also its biggest detractor. Unlike other magic systems where you have to worry about equipping the right Esper/Materia/Whatever to learn good spells, Blue Magic just learns itself as you travel around. But that's the problem, the get the good spells you have to travel around to find the right enemies to teach you those spells. A major pain in FF9, especially since the Blue Magic there sucked in the first place. Drake Clawfang

Follow up explanation for my disciple on how FF9's magic system sucked. First, when I cast a spell, I want it to connect, so chuck out spells with "success rates", and I want that spell to actually do damage, so chuck out spells that deal with "random" stuff, along with the LV spells and status ailment spells. What's left?
  • Goblin Punch - sucks
  • Doom - sucks
  • Mighty Guard - good
  • Limit Glove - sucks
  • 1000 Needles - sucks
  • Pumpkin Head - decent
  • Earth Shake - dunno
  • Angel's Snack - good
  • Frog Drop - sucks because frog catching is tedious
  • White Wind - sucks
  • Vanish - dunno
  • Auto-Life - good
  • Quina - sucks

Oops, that slipped out. Drake Clawfang

Blue Magic is consistent throughout the series in that there are always a myriad of useless spells. Thus, your list is somewhat accurate. However, White Wind, 1000 Needles, Frog Drop, and Vanish are all useful abilities in addition to those spells marked posivitely by you. Those spells are all Quina needs. And I don't understand why Quina is hated. S/he's a better character than both Eiko and Amarant. And Forks are awesome items! I loved petrifying enemies with my Needle Fork :) Drake, perhaps you need succulent frog. 8bit 02:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm bored, so I'm gonna copy by Quina rant from my FF9 review. Drake Clawfang
"Enter Quina Quen. Quina, you are so lucky I've played Mystic Quest. Looking at your art I knew you wouldn't be ranking high on my character list, and after playing the game you've nose-dived down the list ever more. You've passed Cyan, Yuffie, Zell, Palom and Porom on your way to the bottom, and after hearing you talk about food even in the last dungeon, you shot right past Irvine and Selphie to rest just above the MQ cast. Congrats on becoming my second-most hated character. Quina has no backstory, no personality - she's a glutton, all she ever does, talk about or think about, is food. And the Blue Magic in this game is really watered down, her magic was weak. Plus, her weapon does random damage. Quina as a character is annoying, and as a party member is unreliable and next to useless."
I have a hunch this will turn out to be a Quina hate-ranting session. Bluer 02:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Not that Quina doesn't deserve it. But Blue Magic was only useful in FFVII. Mostly because all the good spells are available right by the time you get the Buggy. --BlueHighwind 02:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
To be fair, my disciple speaks true - half the learnable Blue Magic spells are overall lousy, especially the LV and Doom ones. But in FF9, I found it exceptionally lousy because all the spells did random damage, or damage depending on a variable of some kind - I appreciate consistency, and Quina's magic were not. Plus, you have to Eat enemies to learn the spells, it wasn't enough to just find them and get them to cast the Blue Magic on you. Drake Clawfang
As long we don't get into any of the catfights of the past two contests. I was honestly extremely relieved when I saw a job class battle. And if Quina is made the new punching doll, I shall defend him/her. On a side note, I think it's cool that Bluer's voting in the DNC. It's probably because this particular matchup is fanboy-repellant. 8bit 02:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, just had a thought. Blue Mages cast enemy spells, right? What if a Mime mimics the casting of that spell back at the Blue Mage? Can a Blue Mage learn its own spell? Can a Mime mimic the spell being cast at it that was originally something the Mime mimiced? Drake Clawfang

...*Head asplodes* --SCM 02:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, in FFT you can have Ramza learn "Ultima" spell by having Luso cast it on him...I wonder if you can have a Mime use that spell on Ramza...or have Ramza change to Mime class...hm...
8bit: Looking through the archives, a lot of the admins used to vote. Now, not so much. It's nice to see it happening again ^_^. — YuanSaluto!Acta 02:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I think Mimes are pretty neat. Even if they are excruceadingly difficult to control. (And I like Quina!!!) BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 03:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Week 94: Rinoa Heartilly vs. Edea Kramer

Ff8-rinoa
Winner!!
Rinoa
Ff8-rinoa

52 to 38
Ff8-edea
It's a clash of the Sorceresses!

Votes for Rinoa

  1. Squallinoa_08 YES, first to vote! RINOA IS AWESOME! One of my favorite females in the FF series. She cute, pretty, open minded, has ALOT of personality, and she's kick ass. She's an angel in disguise and she just looks GREGOUS!! GO RINOA! GO GO GO!!
  2. Rinoa's a hero and Edea's a villian. Why else? Cluna 06 02:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. Rinoa rocks!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 02:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. Faethinverba volant : Yes I like Rinoa. I like her very much. She's no Quistis but she's a cute girl. Edea rocks too though.
  5. Although she's Squall's love interest.... damn... why did Squall love her so much... Gotta vote for her because her Angel Wing is so kick-ass... - SilverSummoner 02:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  6. Rinoa looks sweeter than any other girls. MTC
  7. Mr. Rojo: I like both sorceress, but Rinoa is just awesome. I love her personality, her story and design. Also I enjoy a lot the love stroy between her and Squall :)
  8. Don't care much for either of them. Or any part of FF8 really. - RadLink5
  9. I really like them both, but Rinoa is just better... She is a great character, has a nice story, a kickass Limit (talking about Angel Wing here), and she owns a dog! Also, she's one of the few characters in VIII that didn't came from the same orphanage. that's a major plus. Rihya
  10. Tex Howdy! 04:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  11. Never played VIII. Heard it sucks. Therefore I am voting Rinoa because: She kind of looks like Garnet, Edea won a DNC bout not very long ago, we all know she's cool, she kind of looks like Garnet, I guess everyone needs to win sometime, and she kind of looks like Garnet. 8bit 04:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  12. Hey guys, wanna hear my Kekfa impression? 'Kay, here goes. *ahem* "I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE Edea!!!!" *coughrinoaftwcough* - Deadlyslashsword
  13. If this were a few years ago. I would have voted against Rinoa easily, but now I see how cool a character she is. Best Female lead in the series bar none. She's got a good personality and some (not to the point where it's annoying)spunk and though I don't care about it she's not a bad looking person, and there's Angelo(a whole Badass right there). She also has the power to whoop just about anyone in the series' ass. Why couldn't Zidane have someone like her?AnonyMan 06:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  14. RowdyCMoore I've said it before, I'll say it again: Goth Ain't Sexy.
  15. ArableLadle : Edea is annoying and Rinoa is ... intresting person
  16. Mr_Darkside Gotta vote for Rinoa as she is always in my main 3 when fighting Ultimecia.
  17. Ultima The High Seraph: Rinoa is Ubĕr cool and edea is a bit freaky.
  18. Dark Raven : I prefer girls who don't have yellow eyes.
  19. Alarielle : I like FFVIII, unlike many people here, and I like both Edea and Rinoa. So it's a hard fight for me. But a lot of what makes Edea nice from my POV is what Ultimecia makes her do. Plus, Rinoa is for me a good female lead : fresh but not annoying like Selphie or Yuffie. And not kind of depressed like Yuna, even if I like Yuna better. And she's the only love interest in every games that is not a white mage, and this is original. So I go for Rinoa.
  20. mateo360 I go with Rinoa because I like her better. You fight with her more then with Edea in your party.
  21. Rydiaofmist: Rinoa was awesome. She had such an honest, open personality. I also loved her limit breaks. Angel wing is wicked good if you know what you're doing.
  22. Lockhart- Meh.
  23. Draga - After watching what Rinoa did in Dead Fantasy, nothing is gonna sway my vote.
  24. Ewwww.... Why would I vote for Edea? She's trashy, she's ugly, and she' creepy! Plus she was manipulated by Ultimecia, which causes MAJOR MINUS POINTS!! I vote for Rinoa because she's a strong woman, she's speaks her mind, she's not afraid of anything, she's can fight, she's lovable, adorable, and she's cute as an Angel. I vote for her cuz she is the whole package, you only vote for Edea cuz of her boobs! Trumpet Spike 03:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  25. AHHH! Edea's darkness is crowding over me! Who can save me? I know, RINOA! ABDC 08 03:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  26. Rinoa can't lose to this slut! Besides, this is her first time! CCRedfield 08 15:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  27. Sorry Edea, but I dig for cuter, beautiful girls, not TRASHY ONES! CHOP STIKS 15:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  28. LOOK INTO MY EYES! YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE RINOA YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE RINOA, YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE RINOA, YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE RINOA INSTEAD OF THAT UGLY WHORE YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE RINOA! did it work?
     :( Rin Rin 16:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  29. I LIKE RINOA. Myself 123 17:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  30. recinoHaven't we seen this before? As in during the game it's self? Rinoa won. And then won agian. (p.s. 8 bit black mage FF8 dose not suck it rocks.)
  31. Terra_HomingI used to think Rinoa was pathetic, i was once known to compare her to Yuffie because of the ridiculous amount of times you need to rescue her... but then she used Wishing Star and my life changed forever :)
  32. ShadowLaguna: Because I can!!
  33. MrAllStar2my favorite gal in the whole series
  34. Pinoyzidane Rinoa was untouchable in Dead Fantasy 2. CAN'T TOUCH THIS!!
  35. I keep going back and forth between loving Rinoa and hating her, but I guess since I do really like her sometimes, I'll give my vote to her. Yzz
  36. Jammi568 19:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC): The bitch might be stupid for the whole game with her obsesive love to an obviously gay Squall (Seifer/Zell, your pick). However, he she does have slightly more of a personality then Edea, even if it doesn't do her any good in the long run.
  37. Maverick Riot: I like the character of Edea, but just liked Rinoa more. It also annoyed me how they gave you Edea to play with, but only for the space of around 30 minutes; if you decided to use her (which I felt was a waste since she was barely around.) FFVIII was one of the first FFs I really got into and I just grew attached to all of the characters in all fairness. Yes, even Quistis. Rinoa is great. And to the above vote, I'm sure it was Zell. I never saw him as one on the 'straight and narrow'.
  38. Rinoa looks..... PRETTY!! Edea looks.... UGLY! I love angels, and Rinoa just got my vote! Ninja Kasumi 05:47, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
  39. Invincible Moon and Wishing Star are the main reasons I beat Ultima and Omega Weapons. Usmcrave99 13:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
  40. Rinoa Lockhart: Angel Wing, Invincible Moon, Wishing Star, OH MY! Ice storm, seriously Edea? Is that all you can offer? Useless bitch! I'm voting for RINOA!!
  41. I hate Edea so much! She's nothing but trash in my opinion. TRASH! Why you you guys vote for a trashy girl when you got a clean, sweet, innocent, lovely, beautiful girl like Rinoa. Edea ain't cute, sure she's sexy, but NOT CUTE! Plus she's a loser after Ultimecia leaves her body. I would rather vote for Ultimecia instead of someone cheap like Edea. AngelPit 00:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  42. I haetd Final Fantasy VIII and I hated its characters (except Irvine). Rinoa wins my vote for this one solely because she's hot. Lord Ryu 00:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  43. SeKaLoYa: Edea's just the puppet for Ultimecia's huge plan, which is equally stupid.
  44. Bucketgilbertsteen: decided by a coin flip
Anonymous Votes
  1. "Darling, so there you are/With that look on your face/As if you're never hurt/As if you're never down/Shall I be the one for you/Who pinches you softly but sure/If frown is shown then/I will know that you are no dreamer"/Rinoa is just AMAZING!!!!!! No one has a great personality than Rinoa!
  2. Another vote for Rinoa.
  3. "WHO IS JOIN TO THE OTHER SIDE: THE SIDE FOR EDEA? WHY??!!" *cough* Vote for RINOA! Out of nostalgia.
  4. No contest.
  5. She happens to have the nicest hair in FF by far and she also does a good job of turning Squall into a mumbling little puppy. And you all thought Edea had manipulative powers.
  6. She has the best hairstyle in any Final Fantasy.
  7. RIN-O-A, RIN-O-A, RIN-O-A! RINOA!
  8. Kick Edea's pathetic ass!
  9. Me and Rinoa will "Waltz For the Moon" ALL NIGHT LONG!
  10. just a nudge for Rinoa, Edea already has a couple wins under her (non existent in that outfit...) belt. let's give rinoa props for being the most adorable lead in the world, used to be favourite when i was a full on fan girl ^____^
  11. "veni, vidi, vici." She came, she saw and also won him! Well, she has also captured my heart. Vote for Rinoa.
  12. She has my vote.
  13. A good choice, since both the characters have each other's powers. Edea creeps me out with all her, erm, headgear(?) however. Plus, there's something undeniably awesome about Rinoa becoming an angel with her limit break. She gets my vote.
  14. Rinoa can be my angel.
  15. It funny how everyone voted for Edea, WHEN SHE GAVE UP ALL HER POWERS TO RINOA! Meaning that Rinoa wins and Edea is completely useless!
  16. Rinoa must win!

Votes for Edea

  1. FF8 is bad and so are it's characters, but Edea is the most tolerable. --SCM
  2. BlueHighwind Who am I?
  3. Dang, it's the first hour of voting and Rinoa already has like, ten more votes. No no.--BfD~ Kain Highwind battleSetzer Gabbiani smallRydia - Adult battleFile:Celes Chère small.png02:42, 16 November 2008 (UTC)1
  4. Leon5550
  5. Arcanedude34: Rinoa ranks as one of the ten most annoying FF characters of all time. She must NOT win. At any costs. *cocks gunblade*
  6. Anyone mention Edea's speech to Galbadia? Sure, she was possessed at the time, but that speech is proof that Edea's superior to Rinoa. Chocobo Jockey 04:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  7. Fonzyboi: well edea is NOT some dumb bimbo, who just tagged along cuz she wants to get laid by Squall. Edea is the real sorceress, the other one is just a slut
  8. Lion heart 05:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)For one thing I not a big hmmmm...what you would call a rinoa fan I find her a bit annoying at times, but I think that edea would win because I think she is more emotionaly stronger and a can handel bigger obsticals that confront her. Also that she is just KOol
  9. Silber 6 Well, I'll tell you this, Edea could beat Rinoa ten times over without her actually doing anything, plus she is an awesome leader, having charisma, good speechmaking skills and is a sorceress, what couldn't you possibly expect.
  10. PaladinCecil The actions committed by Edea while controlled by Ultimecia seem meaningless to most, but in fact they say a lot about the character herself in connection to the other elements of the game. She was a mother figure to her orphans, and so she took on the weight of being a sorceress so the orphans wouldn't have to; this and the measures set up for if she became corrupted show selflessness, as she both could have let an orphan take the power instead or could have done nothing to allow herself to be killed if she became corrupted. Cid's acceptance of her after this event shows his love for her. While Rinoa took up the mantle of Sorceress entirely by accident (which by virtue of being accidental means she went into it without knowing what she was getting herself into), Edea made a conscious decision for the good of the people she loved. Lastly, she has been through a lot of stigma for being a Sorceress since childhood and remained kind, a form of perseverance little respected in fictional characters in more than one case. Oh, and tiny addendum: the 'goth' look isn't truly her, it was forced on her by Ultimecia, a physical sign of the weight she had to bear taking on Ultimecia's power; the end video shows her true preference for appearance.
  11. MardukKurios Edea is simply awesome and I like her very much - but RINOA .... it's the only Character I never ever used in this game (if you had to, then yes but if you had the free choice then she wasn't there) Edea is just awesome and Rinoa is annoying! Edeas Limitbreak is cooler than Rinoas Doggie Cannon!
  12. Edea owns all! She is equally as powerful as Rinoa, but her Limit owns Rinoa's Combine and Angel Wing by far. Viva la reina bruja! - Henryacores^ 12:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  13. In Final Fantasy VIII, Irvine and Selphie were a higher level than Rinoa. Not that it means anything in Final Fantasy VIII. ScatheMote
  14. Sinh 15:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  15. Ameria Voting for both Edea and Ultimercia controlled Edea. Does that count as two votes. :p
  16. Pablo618: I friggin hate Rinoa
  17. Copycatloki :: Edea is my favorite sorceress, so she will get my vote. I don't need no other reason why. :3
  18. --Gamer2127
  19. Konira: Edea. She is the only Final Fantasy 8 character that looks remotely like a Final Fantasy character. At least she kept things going and wasn't afraid to show up and pwn the party. And you get to use her!
  20. Sorceror bobby: Edea for sure shes uber hawt and p0werful
  21. Red Ronso: NO NO NO! RINOA MUST DIE! DIE DIE DIE!!! ...Edea is very human, much more than that hopeless bit-err, Rinoa.
  22. I hate both, but how is RINOA winning? --Crazyswordsman 04:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  23. C'mon Edea! I don't want to lose again this week... Edea is too badass not to win.Slighter
  24. Queen Mimi: for no reason whatsoever
  25. SamSandy: Edea is one of the greatest antagonists in the series, with her background and true identity.
  26. Karhunkynsi Somebody, please kill Rinoa..
  27. ChaosEsperVII: I like FF8, but Rinoa was "how Tifa would be if she was a bad character." Edea was a good villain, not Ultimecia, and made the game interesting. Go Matron.
  28. PhoebeHume: Rinoa is winning? No way/ Matron is sooo much better...
  29. YuanSaluto!Acta
  30. Murasame77 Ugh everything Rinoa said was so obnoxious, I'm just glad the game never had voice acting, that would've been so much worse. Go Edea!
  31. Billylemmon I'll vote for Edea. Just because Giant Icicles Limit > Stupid Doggie Cannon thing.
  32. Free bird 23:43, 21 November 2008 (UTC): Pity vote.
  33. Rinoa is annoying. So is BlueHighwind. For all intents and purposes, Rinoa is BH. Since I would never vote for BH in any competition, this one goes to this creepy plothole woman. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 11:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  34. You know your wiki is blighted when a flavorless and hapless romantic target who doesn't even help you half the game wins against a powerful mage with horns. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L
Anonymous Votes
  1. Yumiko: I agree with Chocobo Jockey that Edea's speech was awesome. Plus her headdress thing is so cool!
  2. I Love Evil Girls :))
  3. I admit Rinoa was cool in Dead Fantasy...but other than that, I can't stand her at all. Edea is so much cooler than Rinoa. I mean it was even pointed out she could take down Squall with a simple spell! She also looks spectacular in the opening of the game and is...well just awesome.
  4. No reason, just like Edea better.
  5. I hate Rinoa with a passion. The line, "You are going to like me" just gets on my nerves. Edea's a cooler character anyway.
  6. Rinoa is annoying =_=
  7. Rinoa is just plain creepy and clingy. Edea can stab people with ice lances when they piss her off. Rinoa... gets... into perilous peril all the time. Woo.
  8. People like Edea when she was posessed by Ultimecia. That means people like Ultimecia. Anything that drums up support for the time-travelling witch has have my vote. Signed, Dougar

Peanut Gallery

I wanted to change the fight, it was time to do so, so I did. I suspect TA will be displeased however. Drake Clawfang

Whatever. It was about time to end that fiasco, anyhow. - Deadlyslashsword

Sorry Cluna, but I was actually first cuz nobody voted before I did. Squallinoa 08 02:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The Peanut Gallery of the last fight was an example of what happens when the net idiocy is left unregulated. Faethinverba volant
Next time I annihilate you, DC. <3 T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Alright everybody! This is the only battle that Rinoa can win in the DNC. I don't want Edea to win and certainly there won't be any draw in this fight. We need to crush both Edea and BlueHighwind (since he's a huge fan of Edea). We need to show him that Rinoa is the BEST! SO WHO'S WITH ME?! VOTE FOR RINOA! RINOA! RINOA! RINOA!

RINOA!!!!!!

ummm.... Sorry! Got a little carried away. :) Squallinoa 08 02:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Edea already has won the moral victory. The world will know that few stood against many. --BlueHighwind 02:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Remember people, say no to insane rants. --SCM 02:20, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
We'll just see! Let the people VOTE! Squallinoa 08 02:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I would, but my strict moral code prevents me from voting in a fight which involves a game I have not played.

Why is the numbering on Edea's side all messed up?

I noticed it at first, but it seems to be corrected now. So far it's 10-5 Rinoa early in the First Day of Combat. --Tex Howdy! 04:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Good, keep it that way. This has to be Rinoa first victory, especially since this is her first time in the DNC. RINOA LIVES ON! Squallinoa 08 04:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
And PaladinCecil seems to have birthed a sequel. --BlueHighwind 04:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Arcanedude34
Are you guys calling me out? Because I think you guys are calling me out. It's easy to not get upset about Rinoa getting bashed because unlike Rosa, she actually has a fanbase. That said, just to spite these contests, from now on I'm participating in these contests and voting for whoever's losing regardless of my feelings toward them. PaladinCecil 05:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
No worries. From what I see, it seems like Paladin Cecil is only interested in Rosa... SilverSummoner 04:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm not THAT much of a Rinoa pschotic fanboy. Paladin Cecil only reacts when people make fun of Rosa. When people make fun of Rinoa, I don't care, cuz I know that they are LOSERS! Lol. Squallinoa 08 05:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Can we please cut down on the comments that may even slightly hint at wanting a rehash of last week? - Deadlyslashsword

Anyway. I'm surprised Rinoa has so many fans. I didn't really think many people preferred her over Edea.

Later guys, see you at the end of the week, when Edea LOSES! MUAHAHAHAHAHA! Squallinoa 08 05:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess that you have finally gone mad. Edea may be down now, but in the end, she'll come out on top. Silber 6

I personally hope that Rinoa will win... SilverSummoner 05:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Y'know, judging by your talkbox, I would've never have guessed. - Deadlyslashsword
yeah.. that's quite obvious. :D I kinda hate AND Like Rinoa at the same time... I hate her because of Squall's love for her. this is what they called 'jealous'.. But I like her because of her outgoing personality and careness. she's the 'big sister' type that every little sister want to have...(at least that's what I thought...) SilverSummoner 06:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I find it ironic and funny that most fans of Edea only really like her ultimately because of what Ultimecia did with her. Yep, the same Ultimecia most people hate as well. Some people need to get their priorities straight. Anyway it's good to see Rinoa finally in the DNC, can't believe it took this long for it to happen. Especially when Edea's been in more than one already, I hope she wins her debut.AnonyMan 06:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. But I guess it's going to be awhile before her fight with Tifa actually gets put up, since I'm the one who suggested it. Cluna 06 06:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

It isn't funny that people are voting in Edea, because of the speech Ultimecia gave when using her body? lol Edea herself is nothing more than the matron of an orphanage. She is a boring character.

Wow. Paladin Cecil said enough for five votes. Drake Clawfang

Maybe we should give him 5 votes =P --SCM 06:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm analytical. It's been years since I played this game; most of that was after refreshing myself using the wikia article about her. I catch things about characters that people don't take the time to care about. Rest assured, if Edea were winning (and if she starts to), Rinoa would get the same treatment: revealing to people things worthwhile about a character that isn't getting the respect he/she/it deserves. PaladinCecil 06:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Edea was controlled by Ultimecia. So shouldn't all the credit go to Ultimecia? Isn't that why half of you voted for her during the fight with Cloud of Darkness? Squallinoa 08 06:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Still, you would have to admit, Edea is the "face" of Ultimecia until you learn of her existence. Besides, it was Edea the Galbadians appointed as the ambassador. It's not like the politicians behind it would have known she was possessed by some other sorceress from the future. Chocobo Jockey 11:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Ultima The High Seraph: Rinoa will win. I will makke sure of it. How I will do this I do not know but I will do something spectacular. you wait and see.

I will wait and see, but I'm not sure you'll need to do something. Except if Blue creates many accounts to vote many times, but I'm not eve sure it would work. And PaladinCecil, I love what you said on Edea and agree with most of it, but what Edea does under control is still Ultimecia's work, and the rest, though it makes me appreciate Edea, is not enough facing Rinoa. Alarielle
I never said the things Edea did under Ultimecia's control weren't Ultimecia's work. I said it helps show what there is to Edea when you take it into consideration with other things about her. Who you vote for makes no difference to me, I'm here to vote for whoever's not winning and that's all. PaladinCecil 17:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Why the Hell are you accussing me of cheating? When I have I ever cheated once? Right now the score is technically tied. Too bad. --BlueHighwind 13:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Ultima The High Seraph:We know you don't cheat, its just the fact that you have an obssesion with Edea.

Ultima The High Seraph:Damn it! I had a great idea to.

Then I guess I'll accuse Squallina of cheating, since we all know that that person can't shut up about Rinoa. Squallina, you are now "PaladinCecil 2". I guess we can look forward to an insane fanboy who can't shut up next fight too, huh? --BlueHighwind 22:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Insane nothing. You have no idea what I've seen over the past year. If any other character got routinely trashed as badly as she does... PaladinCecil 01:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Wait wait wait... "I wish Zidane could have someone like [Rinoa]..."? wutlol??111!!!? And Garnet was the only one of the reasons why I even voted for Rinoa.... 8bit 16:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

PaladinCecil, you are the first person I saw, who gave a GOOD argument for Edea, WITHOUT giving credit to her, for what Ultimecia did. Good job.

I would much prefer if people cared about the arguments I made for Rosa instead rather than wrote those off, but thanks nonetheless. PaladinCecil 18:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I said it before, I'll say it again: No references to last week please. What's past is past. - Deadlyslashsword

NOOO!!!!! Rinoa can't lose! Vote people! VOTE VOTE VOTE! Remember, a girl is perfect and beautiful with a great personality, not great boobs (and yes, I'm into nice girls, and trashy ones)! Squallinoa 08 03:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

whoa, You really are very passionate to make Rinoa win the fight... :D SilverSummoner 03:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
of course! edea already won the fight with Illua. So Rinoa needs to win this fight! Squallinoa 08 04:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Give me an R, R
Give me an I, I
Give me an N, N
Give me an O, O
Give me an A, A
Put them all together and what does it spell?

RINOA!!!!!

ok, someone needs to stop me! i'm overreacting! Squallinoa 08 05:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop you? Let me try.
Give me a Retarded, Idiotic Nutjob that is Overrated and Aannoying!....stopped? Drake Clawfang
Thanks! BUT I STILL LOVE RINOA NO MATTER WAT! lolz. Squallinoa 08 05:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
LOL! I have one too. Give me Real Innocent aNd Obviously charming Angel! how bout that? - SilverSummoner 06:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Without trying to start something, I feel like I should say that I just realized a couple hours ago that this is essentially the same fight as last week but with a more popular female lead. PaladinCecil 06:33, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Ultima The High Seraph:Damn it! Vote for Rinoa people!! My plan isn't turning out to well. damn you Mike Tyson.

Ultima The High Seraph: Wait! mabye my plan is working!

I hope the voters will stop using the word 'slut'. I remember how this simple single word can start a debate.. SilverSummoner 16:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

It's pretty stupid overall. The reason it sparked an argument in the previous one is because I've had to endure people claiming that crap for a while now, and the lack of understanding of the character and the number of people who don't really know anything about her put her at risk for people believing it's true (lies going unchallenged is enough for them to spread as if they're truth when it comes to her, I've learned). Edea's safe because she's popular enough for people to know what she's really like. PaladinCecil 16:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
What are you rambling on about now? If you can't stop complaining about the fights that are chosen, don't post here. I can't stress that enough. - Deadlyslashsword
She said she was worried that people using that word might lead to an argument like last week. I explained why last week got so big to defend my actions. I don't think you and Alarielle realize that I AM holding back. If I weren't, there would have been (and would be, in this comment too) paragraphs to explain every little detail. PaladinCecil 18:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

And it starts again… Alarielle. PS : I was just kidding Blue, don't be so overreacting.

Ultima The High Seraph: Can we stop the sympathy votes! just brcause somebody is losing doesn'y meen you have to vote for them!

Yeah guys, start voting for Edea already! PaladinCecil 18:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Ultima The High Seraph: No, don't listen to him! Vote Rinoa! No sympathy votes!!
Hm. Vote for whomever you wish. Your vote should not be influenced by what anybody else says. These include pity votes. I myself am guilty of such an act. Illua VS Edea...yeah...Illua got destroyed... - Deadlyslashsword
Ultima The High Seraph: Don't listen to this Bafoon! No pity votes for edea!
Shut up and look who I voted for - Deadlyslashsword
Ultima The High Seraph:I know who you voted for, you bafoon! YYou said vote for who you want even if it was a sympathy vote.
No, that's not what I meant at all. I do not condone pity votes. Stop calling me a bufoon. - Deadlyslashsword
Actually it doesn't matter what kind of votes you condone. Every vote is equal, no matter how stupid the thought behind it. --BlueHighwind 22:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Gentlemen. PaladinCecil 22:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
That is why this place is so messed up. People vote with reckless abandon! I swear, there has to be a way to fix this... - Deadlyslashsword
I think you've missed the point of a Popularity Contest completely. --BlueHighwind 23:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
No I haven't, Blue. I know this is a popularity contest. I just tend to vote for who I think is the overall better character, and I think more people here should do the same. - Deadlyslashsword

This guy is NOT PaladinCecil II. If anything, PaladinCecil is Squalliona lite. At least PaladinCecil's arguments never devolved into what this guy is vomiting all over this page. This is just disgusting.arcanedude34

huh? WHo are you referring to? SilverSummoner 02:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Ultima The High Seraph:Who are you talking about.
My light?? Explain? Squallinoa 08 23:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Lite* Sorry.
Oh, still what does it mean?? Squallinoa 08 00:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Look what you posted, then look what PaladinCecil posted (more specifically from last week's contest, if you still don't know what that means, then I feel sorry for you my friend, I really do. Then again, I shouldn't devolve myself to these kind of comments.Silber 6

Squallinoa, since when does Edea have great boobs? And since when is that a reason to not vote for a girl? At worst it should inspire apathy, not hate. - RadLink5

Honestly, IDK? I guess when it come to terms from Blue, I also think he votes for Edea because she's evil, beautiful, malicious, intelligent, and has big knockers. Squallinoa 08 04:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

... Big knockers... ? I just. I. You're aware what Edea looks like, right? PaladinCecil 02:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
No. He votes for Edea because he likes Ultimecia when using Edea's body. The truth, is that BH is a fan of Ultimecia, even if he doesn't want to admit it.

To the people calling Edea 'slut, whore and trashy'. Have you even played the game. *sigh* Ameria

Ultima The High Seraph:Yes I am playing though the game and I still call her a slut. She is a BAD CHARACTER! I repeat. SHE IS A SLUT AND A BAD CHARACTER!

FFS, anyone who calls another game-character a "slut" is stupid. Period. And stupid is one of the less-harsh words I could have said. Because you do not like a female means she's a slut? If you did to that to someone in the real world.... well you'd be even more stupid, but you'd be shot... if I were in power. Rinoa is not a slut, Edea is not a slut, Rosa is not a slut. UTHS, HOW THE DUCK IS EDEA A SLUT? (Duck is actually a typo, but I thought it was funny enough to leave in). If you knew anything... Edea is being controlled by Ultimecia, her true fashion sense is seen in the flashbacks and at the end of the game. You call that sluttish you're talking from your stupid. Vote 10, Edea: Paladin Cecil says it all.

So, if anyone here is to use the word "slut" in an offensive way to any character, my respect for you has just dropped even further down. [Insert BH insult here] --I Lion Heart I 15:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ultima The High Seraph:Ok but she still is a bad character. a lot worse than rinoa who I have full confidence in will win.
That is fine. I'd have voted Rinoa myself if I took DNC seriously. It's just that (opens up Safari, the browser which is fast but takes ages to load up) the word "slut" is used 34 times, +1 because I just said it. Rather admittedly because we've been discussing it. I Lion Heart I 16:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Ultima The High Seraph:I'll forgive you.

Go me for accidently causing last week's argument! That's my biggest achievement so far on this site! Jammi568

*facepalm* That is not something to be proud of...in fact, you should be quite ashamed of yourself. - Deadlyslashsword
Ultima The High Seraph: For once I agree with this Bafoon.
Fuck you. Learn to spell correctly. - Deadlyslashsword
I never said that I was proud of what I accidently did. And it's hardly my fault that one user had to go OT on us, and spoil the dscussion for everybody. Jammi568
Ultima The High Seraph: I am just joking around, deadlyslashsword. sorry if I offeneded you. and who are you talking about, Jamni.
I was replying to Deadlyslashsword's first comment under mine. Jammi568 22:26, 18 November 2008
Ultima The High Seraph:What about my question.
That's only what it sounded like to me. I realize it wasn't your fault. Still, I just thought it unwise to herald that as your greatest achievement on this wiki. - Deadlyslashsword
Well, it's certainly my biggest imact.

Sweet mother of mercy, there are some psychos in the DNC. Someone call the mental institute...or the zoo, perhaps... Signed, Dougar

Ultima The High Seraph: I will take that as a complement.

What I've learned from this and the last fight: for a character to win here, on top of things listed in the previous fight, the character's fans also need to baselessly, senselessly bash the losing rival while, as always, horrendously exaggerating the winning character's traits and worth. If you were ever wondering what breeds people like me, and why cries for an end to huge rants often go unanswered, look no further than yourselves. If this kind of treatment and "respect" for characters is what it takes to win, I hope my favorites never do. Go Rinoa! PaladinCecil 06:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Damn guys this is a lot more heated than i thought it would be. True both Rinoa and Edea have bad qualities but they also have good ones, personally I dont care for either of them, but that isnt a reason to be getting so heated and calling a MADE UP CHARACTER a slut. Seriously just based on who you think is the better character vote for them. And Squallinoa where do you get off think Edea has big boobs? You want that go to last weeks fight. - Saraija Merinas

Idk, but i guess I'm just preparing for the Tifa vs Rinoa fight cuz I know half of the users will vote for Tifa for her HUGE GIGANTIC BOOBS! And as I stated, a girl a beautiful when she's herself and has personality, instead of having BIG BOOBS! Squallinoa 08 17:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
And yet you voted for Lulu, renowned mostly for having BIG BOOBS, last week instead of Rosa, who fits the end of the scale you're claiming is better. Irony! We has it in spades. I've also learned that the outcome of these fights shouldn't be taken seriously NOT because they're 'meant for fun,' but because almost everybody has no idea what they're talking about most of the time and would rather hate a character for stupid, unfounded reasons (like "that character is a slut" when they're not) than leave it at "I like this character more so there." As far as I'm concerned, if the situation is THIS bad, this entire section should be abolished and replaced with something that deserves the space. All this section does is show the worst of Final Fantasy fandom. This includes breeding people like me, as even I'm aware most people hate me for my rants. PaladinCecil 22:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't like it, don't play.
Not a matter of not liking it. It's a matter of this section having no positive impact on anything. It only drags everyone down. It might've meant something when it was created, if people back then could make arguments (if they felt like making them) that don't involve calling everybody a whore, but today all it does is show the worst side of FF fandom. The ignorant, name-calling, rant-inducing side. PaladinCecil 23:10, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

looks like Rinoa's gonna win... hurrah! =D SilverSummoner 17:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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