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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because user and anonymous votes carry different weight. Votes put in the wrong section will be deleted. Users who do not log in when they vote will be considered anonymous IPs, and their votes also will be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the previous fight's votes will be totaled and its winner decided. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.

Week 93: Lulu v. Rosa

Winner!!
undecided
They are both female and they both cast spells. You find the connection. Really, though, does it matter? Who would win?

Votes for Lulu

  1. I think Black Mage is more Useful than White Mage, so I choose Lulu - Mana0803 07:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. First Vote! I don't really care for either, but I like black mages more, anyway. ScatheMote
  3. Faethinverba volant :"Got a Black Magic Woman... got a Black Magic Woman..."
  4. I got nothin'. --Gamer2127
  5. Ultima The High Seraph: Lulu kicks ass. And HA!
  6. Henryacores^ 20:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC) - Lulu! She's awesome, and one of the best characters in FFX!
  7. Krystal: I like both characters, but Lulu is more badass.
  8. BlueHighwind: They both made bad choices in husbands, but Lulu didn't have a Highwind to ignore. So Rosa LOSES.
  9. mateo360 Lulu just cause I don't know who Rosa is.
  10. Lulu --Zephyrus11 21:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  11. Maverick Riot I love Lulu. That's all I have to say on the matter.
  12. FFX is good. Enough said. JudgeZarbi TALK 22:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  13. ChaosEsperVII I like Lulu as a character.
  14. Lion heart 23:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)I hope Lulu would win becaus sha has a really cool and strong Overdrive which can be extremely helpful expecialy if you cast Ultima Fury also I love how she can equip cute demonic stuff animals such as MOOGLES *GO LULU!*
  15. Though I'm starting to like Rosa after FF4DS (which seemed to give more life and personality to all the characters), I still find her pretty boring. Lulu just has a more likeable personality, she's great in battle (typical powerful spells combined with ridiculous evasion? yes please), and most importantly, she's busting out of her top (I'm surprised they took so long to design another female like this after how popular Tifa was). Wouldn't Lulu vs Rydia have made more sense anyway? Two exotic black mages. - RadLink5
  16. Leon5550
  17. SilverSummoner 02:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC) - White Mage is cool, but Black Mage is cooler.
  18. Fyrmer: Lulu's just a better character. Rosa's just a soft-spoken damsel-in-distress cliche, whereas Lulu is a dark, complex character with a far more interesting backstory.
  19. Red Ronso: I wanted to vote for Rosa, actually. However... breasts have won this battle. That and more humanity and the fact that she has a child from the most annoying character in FFX. *coughwakkacough*
  20. Fonzyboi 06:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC): lulu gets my vote. nuff said
  21. Karhunkynsi Well, I think they both are awful idiots, but Lulu is less. And I prefer more Black mages ;)
  22. recino: yup. Lulu FTW.
  23. User:FinalAnnihilator: My vote goes for Lulu, as I believe that Black Magic are sometimes more important than White Magic. During the storyline part of all Final Fantasy games, magic is most times proved powerful, while White Magic is mostly useful when you are out of items... Later in the game though, not so much... Still neither White Magic are so useful during the optional parts of the game. Furthermore, I haven't played FF4 as much as 10, so I prefer Lulu.
  24. Sanctiel Even though I hardly ever used Lulu I still vote for her.
  25. I love X more than IV, find Lulu has a larger background than Rosa and a cooler attitude. So this time I don't vote for the white mage. Anyway, on my X game, Lulu is white/black mage and physical fighter and...... So in a fight, I know who would win ^^ Alarielle
  26. ArableLadle : Black vs white...yeah this was easy choise
  27. Rydiaofmist: It's a tough call.... eh, I'm just gonna pick Lulu since I prefer black magic to white.
  28. Murasame77: C'mon who didn't love Lulu's sarcasm? And Black magic is a lot more useful if you ask me.
  29. Lockhart - I usually go with White Magic over Black Magic, but Lulu is just so much better.
  30. MrAllStar2 i always used her when ever she was available
  31. Lulu, hands down. --Tex Howdy! 17:08, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Black magic can hurt, and my Lulu knew how to put the hurt on.
  2. I like her better than Rose, she attacks with dolls, and well Lulu just kicks butt!
  3. Yumiko: I love Lulu's theme. I mean theme of love is also very great but Lulu's theme is so dark and beautiful. Plus I like black mages better.
  4. Well, I also like black mages more. Her BATTLE QUOTES are really fantastic and funny. And the dolls from that 3D-woman-black-mage are so awesome! That means VOTE FOR LULU !!
  5. Lulu is just cool. Her outfit is awsome, she carries a moogle and she knows how to kick ASS!
  6. She's smexy <3

Votes for Rosa

  1. Rosa isn't as lame a character and White Magic is more Useful. Also she doesn't look as dumb, and she rolls with a much cooler crew than Lulu. AnonyMan 20:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. User:SilverMage: So many reasons. First of all, versatility. Rosa can cast magic and fight, while Lulu can only do one. Second, Lulu has absolutely no impact on the story in X, whereas Rosa at least has some say in the matter during her game. Third, Rosa is in IV, and as we all know, IV > X. Fourth, Rosa marries Cecil. Who does Lulu marry? Wakka. Chew on that. Fifth, voice acting. Lulu's isn't bad, but Rosa's is easily better. Finally, and most important of all, white magic is just better than black magic.
  3. I have to vote for Rosa. Shes awesome. --WFOCBTCSZTVL 20:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. Aleria
  5. User:Zack fair 007
  6. I have to go for Rosa. She's more deep, has a better backstory, (all Lulu has is the bit in the Cavern of the Stolen Fayth and the thing with wakka's brother.) She looks cooler (and hotter), she hangs out with cooler people and she's more useful. (Omnicasting and Dualcasting=Ultimate Ownage). Plus, I just like her better. Almost forgot, she has Theme of Love too.Cecil the Paladin
  7. Pray and Curaja saved my ass more than once - Deadlyslashsword
  8. Rosa is prettier than Lulu, I think. BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 22:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  9. Rihya: I usually prefer black mages, but I'm voting for Rosa on this one... Rosa is the coolest white mage ever, while Lulu loses to Vivi... Don't get me wrong, I really like Lulu, but Rosa is waaaay better!
  10. Solely due to Theme of Love and Curaja, which saved my IV party countless times... 8bit 22:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  11. Rosa is alright, although the much sexier mage of FF4 overshadows her. Also, no clue who Lulu is. Drake Clawfang
  12. Hyacynth : Once upon a time Rosa topped my list of characters I liked the least. However! Things have since changed since IV got a retranslation/snazzy DS release, and it turns out she's not the spineless, zero-personality character I thought she was. And I was just playing FFX this very day and thinking "way to be overly harsh, Lulu. Why did I like you the first time I played this, again?" So I suppose the theme for this fight (at least when it comes to me) is "characters that my opinion has changed radically on."
  13. 3155 : Rosa's more useful. Her magic has saved me several times from Zemus and his goons. And besides, How many freakin' belts does Lulu need anyway?
  14. Ameria: A tough choice, but I really like Rosa alot more since replaying IV on the DS. A white mage who can also kill things with her bow is very very helpful. ^^
  15. Konira: Lulu should have gone for Auron - more man, less hair - and Rosa was just easier to love, as soon as I got her, I though, useless White Mage but then she proved quite useful.
  16. PaladinCecil: Well, here we go. I'm surprised it's not as slanted as I expected, but there's plenty of time for that. True, Lulu has worth, but Rosa means a heck of a lot more both for her story AND for the series as a whole. Rosa was the first female lead and white mage to ever have the traits that have now become staples of BOTH roles, something that many people who started later in the series either do not realize or do not respect. Further, Rosa has a direct impact on Cecil's journey; her devotion to him led her to journey all the way from Baron to Kaipo just to stand by his side, and that the only thing she suffers from is Desert Fever (an ailment anyone could contract) says a lot about her ability to survive. She helps Rydia overcome her fear of fire, and is the sole reason Kain does not kill Cecil in Fabul. That's not to say she doesn't have her flaws, but given all the things she contributes to both the story of FF4 in specific AND the series of Final Fantasy as a whole, she more than deserves to win.
  17. Free bird 13:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC): Originally, I was going to vote for Lulu partly 'cuz I like her personality, her skills and abilities, and her in-battle quotes and also becuase I have never played any version of FFIV, so I have no idea who Rosa is outside of her in-game artwork from the original release and the DS re-make. However, after reading her wikia page and coming to the conclusion that she, in fact, was the first female FF lead the first to drive in a love story with the male lead, I'm inclined to vote for Rosa becuase like it's been said, she deserves more respect than I had previously given her.
  18. Pikmin Master: I really don't like either of them, but I pick the White Mage of the two. Besides, Rosa can Haste herself and use Aim to put the hurt on Lulu's breasts. If Rosa can Shell and Curaja, she's safe from Lulu.
  19. Theentertainer: I found Rosa to be much more interesting and relevant Story Wise. That and sometimes it seemed like Lulu was more harmful to Yuna's state of mind than helpful.
  20. Pablo618: White magic is... shinny and I like Rosa a lot too and meh I don't really care
  21. I like Rosa better. I have reasons. Hexed
  22. Yath: Rosa. Even though Lulu's hotter, I feel like Rosa served more of a use in my IV party than Lulu in my X party. I also like the fact that Rosa has a 'sure hit' ability, even though her attack is low, it does wonders to flying enemies.
  23. Yzz Of course Rosa! She's so sweet and pretty :3 And you gotta wonder, what would Cecil have done without her! Lulu did play a sort of mentoring role to Yuna, and I guess that's important, but still, I love Rosa.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Rosa has bow and arrow and can cast spells, Lulu's 'weapons' just toddle along and headbutt your foes for miniscule damage. plus i prefer Rosa's outfit :)
  2. Rosa has saved my ass countless times. Lulu? I had to save her ass countless times.

Peanut Gallery

Rosa vs. Maria would've made more sense, no? SilverMage

Not much so, it would just be two characters that are more similar than having two characters whose aspects are much much total opposites. Both work either way. AnonyMan 20:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It pains me to see people vote for Lulu just because they've never heard of Rosa. - Deadlyslashsword

That's strange. Somehow it reaffirms my faith in humanity. Well, different stroke for different folks, rights? --BlueHighwind 22:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Amen, brother. - Deadlyslashsword

Tits or Massive tits? Belts or sluttiness? I can't decide! Jammi568 00:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know who you're comparing here. I mean Lulu is obviously the massive tits and belts, but I wouldn't say Rosa has noteworthy tits, and her only sluttiness I can think of is the possibility of her having an affair with Kain (if I had a nickel for every time someone suggested this...). Did you maybe confuse Rosa with FFX-2 Rikku? (I'm kidding Rikku fans, don't hurt me) - RadLink5
Just a quick note: nothing I've found other than a few malicious rumors by one guy claiming he got it from an "official Japanese guide" (which he conveniently never provided access information about) ever suggested that Rosa had an affair with Kain. The story of the game alone should have debunked this lie, and that the guy propagated the lie as believable to so many people is one of the biggest reasons I'm always going on about her: to try and get people to remember what she's like, not what haters like him want people to believe. I'm NOT saying you think that or are spreading that, to clarify, just another mini-rant of mine. PaladinCecil 07:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh dear christ, I am SICK of people pulling this crap. Rosa is NOT slutty. Lulu's closer to being slutty than Rosa if we're going to act like this, given that she's practically busting out of her bustier AND she moves on to a relationship with Wakka years after Chappu's death. Rosa, on the other hand, loves only Cecil and by all indications of the game, will ONLY love him, the way a true 'one true love' romance goes. The only thing you have to make this claim on is Rosa's clothing, which is just as "slutty" as Rydia and many other women in the game, if not less so. Does that make Rydia a slut? This is why I didn't want this match to occur. People don't know a thing about Rosa, have zero respect for her character or the impact she had on the series, and all this'll do is further reaffirm that people don't care and will never care about this character. PaladinCecil 07:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I feel soo sorry for you, in that case. I like to know how you think someone can be called slutty (personality wise) when they have clearly got over the fact that her boyfriend has died, and just want to move on with their life. As for Rosa, I've played three of the four versions of IV, and I totally agree that she didn't ever try and have a relationship with Kain, or any other man apart from Cecil. However, her DS artwork makes her out to be a badly dressed slut - at least Rydia can pull it off natually. Jammi568 10:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The point behind my comment was that if Rosa's "slutty," Lulu is moreso based on the traits each has. Her artwork gives her even more cover than Rydia; not only does she have a leotard (yes, that's a leotard, not a shirt and panties as many people love to imagine and promote), she also has an underbra, a waistcloth, etc, all this when the original belief of what her clothes looked like was nothing more than a leotard. It is not slutty for a character to look good in that amount of clothing AND be the female lead. She gets attacked for it because she's Rosa, and if this weren't the case, everyone would be digging in deep on Rydia's The After costume for how much skin THAT shows off instead of calling it 'sexy'. It's Rosa, the female white mage of the game; how dare she wear something other than a robe or dress (which is what they forced her into for The After). Of course, you didn't say that last remark, but that seems to be the undercurrent behind such thoughts most of the time. PaladinCecil 10:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, calm down a little, can't people joke a litle too? Agree that her clothing, even if it is not as slutty as rydia's, is quite suggestive. I personally don't care, and like rosa, no matter how she's dressed. Alarielle
That would be fine except that I saw nothing to suggest it was a joke, the person responded pretty seriously, and most important of all, I've run into plenty of people who actually DO believe Rosa's slutty. This is my favorite character of the series, and I don't know how much you've been around, but it's practically impossible to strike up a conversation about Rosa out in the open without someone coming along to a) say Rydia's better, and/or b) say something extremely derogatory about her (such as "she's a slut"), and I'm typically the only one who jumps in to say something in her defense if someone says something like that and means it. Characters like Rinoa at least have a strong fanbase to speak up when people try to slander the character; Rosa's left with pretty much me and that's it. NOTE: "out in the open" means a place a lot of people pass through regularly, not a small grouping of people. PaladinCecil 18:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, if Rosa was a slut it would be her G-string and not her panties that would be showing! THere's nothing slutty about forgeting to wear pants, right? --BlueHighwind 18:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Can't tell, but you seem to be partly joking; you might be part-serious so I'm responding to that half (and if you're ALL joking, then I'm saying something that applies to other people who would think that way seriously). She wears a leotard, which nobody seemed to have a problem with until the DS remake. It's as much or more than Rydia wears (and definitely more than Rydia's The After version). She's living in a world where dancers dance in bikinis out where children can see them, shield maidens of Troia too wear nothing more than a bikini, and everyone seems to still see Rosa as a classy noble lady while she wears what she does. PaladinCecil 18:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, someone took my first spot. ScatheMote

To redirect the argument (really, why does it always turn into a sluttiness debate when it's two female characters?), I'm glad to see other people agree that Rosa (and most of the other IV characters) were annoyingly low on personality before the DS remake's high-quality script. Well I mean I only saw one other voter comment on this, but that's better than being the only one to notice. - RadLink5

Without creating another MASSIVE paragraph's worth of text, I have to say that in Rosa's case, most of her brilliance is characterization is subtle. Unfortunately, we live in a time where 1) people don't look much deeper than what's right in front of their faces, and 2) Rosa's type isn't the kind highly valued by current societal standards, which leads to a lack of appreciation. PaladinCecil 23:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Um, I take offense to that. I look past what's right in front of me for every character, and let me assure you, Rosa was pretty damn bland in the original scrpit. She may have been the first romantic heroine, but that only gets her so far. In the DS remake's script you at least get the feeling she's helping Cecil and you feel empathetic for her. Whether through bad translating or poor script writing, however the first American scripts for Final Fantasy IV left most of the characters just doing their roles without really feeling human. Edward's probably the biggest example of this in my opinion. You only know that he's sad over Anna's death because he says so. You just don't feel that he is though, you only know that he is. In the DS remake however, I find myself really feeling bad for the guy. He went from being a character I forgot even existed to being one of my favorite characters. I'm starting to ramble though, the point is the DS remake's American script makes all the characters a lot more human, and I respect Rosa's selfless behavior towards Cecil now that it feels like she's doing it out of love rather then because the script says she has to. - RadLink5
You're talking about seeing Rosa as 'bland' from a subjective POV, I'm saying that objectively, that's not true. Just like how everyone seems to love Rydia like crazy, but I might find her a 'bland' girl power cliche. I played FF4 all the way back when it first came out on the SNES, so I'm not some new comer to the game who just suddenly dropped in, I've been with this game since childhood. I've felt this way about the character LONG before the DS remake too, toward the exact same traits you're claiming you couldn't see until the DS remake, so they have to be present in the SNES version. PaladinCecil 08:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

what a hot debate... :D SilverSummoner 04:36, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I must agree with paladinCecil about you radlink, from my POV he's right : you couldn't feel the feelings of the characters if you hadn't a graphic support to make you feel they are sad / in love etc. But I may be wrong, as I'm too young for having played Snes, though I think it's the only thing they added. Beat me if they have added more cutscenes. Alarielle
Forgive me for being EVERYWHERE on this, it's just, I like Rosa a lot. They fleshed out a few scenes to be more than what they were in the first one, and they added about three new cutscenes (there's one people can easily miss in the beginning). There's also thought bubbles in the menu for each character. These help get the character across, but I think that there was enough there to the characters in the first place if a person looked deep enough. PaladinCecil 12:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Week 92: Cloud vs. Zidane

Winner!!
Zidane
54 to 37

Here we have two polar opposites in personality, united only by their status as popular protagonists. Who comes out on top: The Sly Eagle or the SOLDIER, the ladies' man or the introvert?

Votes for Cloud

  1. Krystal: Hands down on Cloud! All Zidane ever does is to act like an old-fashioned hero (even though he is an angel of death). Cloud on the other hand is a more complex and conflicted character who has underneath his shell a desire to help and protect others. He is also a strong character who has some weaknesses underneath. I don't care what you Cloud-haters say! Cloud has a cooler sword, a cooler bike and at least he is voiced by a man, whereas Zidane is voiced by a girl. Plus he's a lot hotter! Enough said.
  2. SilverSummoner All hail the spikey guy! :D
  3. Ajox I like them both, but Cloud is the ultimate hero :D
  4. All of what Krystal said. I love Cloud!!! BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 02:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  5. Zack fair 007 02:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC) nabn, i thought Clloud would win. When i saw Advent Children AGAIN, its hard NOT to vote for him. But zidane, gets a very honourable mention.
  6. I'll take crazy over nice anyday. =P --Oranejo 02:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  7. Zidane has a flippin' tail. Not cool. Anyways, Cloud is just so much more badass than Zidane. And think of this: Who would really win in a fight? - Deadlyslashsword
  8. Slighter Not a tough call, got to go with my favourite video game character of all time. Zidane aint half bad though, it's a shame he's against Cloud.
  9. Super Sephiroth: Zidane was an awesome hero, but Cloud can use magic, has a better limit and his weapon is much cooler. Sorry, Zidane.
  10. ChiefKakashi: Cloud's gonna get slaughtered...
  11. Rydiaofmist: Cloud definitely had issues, but that just made him interesting. I liked Zidane too, but I found Cloud to be the more memorable character.
  12. Blykus: Although I like Final Fantasy IX more than Final Fantasy VII, the latter was still my first Final Fantasy game and -- in turn -- Cloud was the first protagonist in the series I was introduced to. Aside from that nostalgia, I've also grown to like the character in all the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII titles. This was a tough choice to make, but I have to go with Mister Strife.
  13. JudgeZarbi TALK
  14. mateo360: Cloud, just because there is something about Zidane that annoys me for some reason.
  15. Murasame77: Whoa, I never expected to see Cloud losing. He'd get my vote anyway. First FF and all that.
  16. MardukKurios: Final Fantasy VII is just awesome. He will get all points because his Omnislash kicks @ss and Zidane don't have any Multi-Slash-Attacks and Trance is NOT awesome - Trance is ewww! Yay for LIMIT-BREAKS - Eternal YAY for FF7!
  17. Mr_Darkside: He's defeat the most badass villian of all time, Twice!!! and kicked Bahamut SIN's ass too. What has Zidane done lately?
  18. Masamune: Tough choice, but I think Cloud is going to lose. Pity vote.
  19. User:clvabl: Everybody who for Zidane is slow & Cloud is badass yo
  20. User:shadowjomi: Is this really a contest, what can some daggers do against the almighty buster sword...
  21. MrAllStar2:they both r awesome, but cloud had 2 chicks instead of 1, hehe
  22. ChaosEsperVII: Omnislash with Ultima Weapon= Pwn. Plus Cloud is way more powerful, deeper, complicated, has a better story, cooler looking, has a gangster ass bike, and wields the Buster Sword and First Tsurugi. Anyone who thinks another protagonist character can beat Cloud in a fight needs to wake up. He beat Sephiroth, the most powerful of villains, with sheer willpower. Alas, his downfall is due to Square's overexposure of him.
  23. CloudVII: Cloud.
  24. Cloud's much better, he must be strogner as he eaisely holds up the massive Buster Sword, as Zidane only holds those little daggers. Myself 123 19:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  25. Mvinnicius: Cloud, all the way.
  26. Gamefreak520: Ultimate Weapon + Omnislash=More damage than Knights of the Round and the First Tsurgi is just awesome, what other hero can combine 6 swords into 1. GO CLOUD!!
  27. neoSeth: Cloud, for the simple reason of being the hero in the first (and the best, IMO) FF I ever played and for being the trademark hero for the series. FF simply rules, specially VII. Zidane's great, nonetheless.
  28. Mr. Rojo: I like both characters, they are great heros in their own game, great powers and personality. But, this time I will go with Cloud, althought I know he is very overrated, I like his character a lot. His limit breaks were awesome!
  29. Lion heart 17:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC) I think that could would win well....because the he has higher strgh. and def. also he has cool limit breaks such as the one in advent childern final tsurugi that majorly pwns all also cloud can equip materia, unlike zidane who can't equip it so not allowing him to use magic so that can be pretty bad against a warrior that can use magic(black,white...ect.) also the mear fact that cloud is amazing and his story and his personality is 10X more complex than zidans don't get me wrong i like Zidane just not as much as cloud also cloud has way better hair *it defies gravity*
  30. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - Whoever said this place was full of haters. Yes, I'm looking at the people in the other column <,<
Anonymous Votes
  1. cloud !!!!!!!
  2. Props for Chocobo Head
  3. I vote for Cloud beacuse he´s much cooler then Zidane, like look at them Cloud is running around with a freaking giant sword that probebly if it where a little realistic could kill someone by just tap that sword against them and then Zidane comes here with his daggers.....thats just annoying. But my point is, Cloud got everything a main character should have. go Cloud!
  4. Cloud is just Cloud, Screw Zidane and his Trances...Cloud would Murder Zidane like he murdered Sephiroth twice ^o^ w00t GO CLOUD!!!
  5. Cloud took down Sephiroth not once, twice but three times, without ever being inducted into SOLDIER. He has one of the best swords designed and an interesting backstory, so props to Cloud.
  6. If theres one thing that annoys me more then cloud, it's anything and EVERYTHING revolving around FFIX. So heres to cloud.
  7. I don't know about you but Zidane kind of scares me with that picture.
  8. I'd much rather Cloud won than Zidane, as there is very little that annoys me more than he does.
  9. Nothing against Zidane (I throughly enjoy him as a character) But I can pull off Cloud in Costume at D*Con more than him. So I choose the one I have dressed up as (Sword and all)
  10. I found Cloud more interesting.
  11. Cloud would totaly own Zidane, what with his Omnislash! Hands down Cloud... Sorry Zidane, we still love you, too!
  12. cloud even though i like zidane...Clouds just Cloud
  13. Cloud all the way...
  14. Cloud should totally win because he's awesome. I like Zidane, but Cloud I believe is much cooler. I also believe Cloud win in a battle, because of his strength and his defense.

Votes for Zidane

  1. Henryacores^ 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC):Because he's a true hero, and Cloud is a true puppet.
  2. I like a hero I can relate to. --BlueHighwind 00:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. I flipped a coin and tails came up! (laugh you fools!) --Gamer2127
  4. Out of the rather poor casting of main male protagonists, Zidane is the diamond in the rough. Plus he equips swallowtails and not boring swords like everyone else, and FFIX > All. 8bit 00:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  5. I never really liked Cloud. But Zidane was instantly likable. --HighwindAsylum 00:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  6. Jeppo: I like both of them but Zidane just has more personality than Cloud.
  7. Khakishro: I also like both, buy Zidane struck me more then Cloud. Zidan was the first hero of Final Fantasy I ever controlled, and I like to feel I connection to him out of all the heros of Final Fantasy. Clouds not a bad hero, but I think we can all agree that hes very overrated.
  8. Cloud wasn't cool until Crisis Core. He was really likable there, acting human and not yet being emo. However, Zidane was cool from the very beginning and is still cooler than Cloud after the VII compilation. Plus, I love IX. - RadLink5
  9. Squallinoa_08I LOVE ZIDANE!! Cloud has too much glory already!
  10. Cloud was cool, Zidane was cooler. Drake Clawfang
  11. Consular Revan Regardless of FFIX being the first FF I played, I found Zidane to be a more likable character. I could relate to him more. Although Cloud isn't horrible, as he was a 'cool' main character, nothing stuck out about him; he was kind of bland with empty emotions...
  12. Red Ronso: If it will make people forget completely about Cloud JUST FOR ONCE and make them see OTHER people, okay! I was gonna vote for Zidane, anyway.
  13. Fyrmer: Because Zidane is my favourite main character out of the entires series.
  14. Kjffwiki: How can i say besides cool?
  15. Faethinverba volant *Laughs his head off*
  16. AnonyMan:Not much else to say that that already hasn't been said. Zidane's more likable, alot cooler, more badass, he's basically everything EVERY other FF protagonist wished they could be. He even goes throgh emotional breakdown better than anyone else(it was dramatic but brief with great music)...but that's mainly attributed to the fact "The Most Badass Crew in FF" fixed him back up. Yep, well be lucky if we'll ever see another FF Main as great as he is.
  17. Rihya - Both are cool, but Zidane is really one of the most kickass main characters in all of Final Fantasy history! He's a Thief, can use some of the greatest daggers ever, has a great Trance mode, and a fuckin' tail! Plus, he manages to stay cool during his 'depression moment', and makes a great comeback after it... And just to finish it, he's an angel of death who kicked the ass of Death itself!!
  18. I'm not fond of either, but I dont really like Cloud but I also prefer FFVII more than FFIX by a little bit. Still, this is a character fight so I'll vote for the one I hate the less. Maj. H
  19. Pinoyzidane There's too many reasons to list down why zidane tribal is the better main character. Just too much!! Zidane gets my vote, just one look at my username and you know who i'm voting for! GO ZIDANE!! GO! GO! GO!
  20. Tedtumbleweed I'm voting for Zidane because Final Fantasy 7 has a tendency to dominate. Cloud and Zidane are both great characters, but a more interesting competition would be Zidane v. Tidus (or maybe Vaan:) ). Cloud should face Squall.
  21. Karhunkynsi Cloud would just suffocate to Zidanes tail.
  22. Nomura:They're both good. But I like thieves. Also I associate Zidane with "Run!" and "You're Not Alone!" themes which are my favorites!!!
  23. Ultima The High Seraph: He has a TAIL. hehe
  24. Dancing Daggers: Since these guys are so different I can't really compare the two... so I'm just going to say that if I met them down the pub I would probably like Zidane more. (Also, I could start picking apart arguments on the Cloud side but I'll just stick with saying it's all biased and mostly wrong.)
  25. Alarielle : I've not playd much to IX, but I still go for the angel of death.
  26. Konira : As a lover of 9 and a non-lover of 7, I have to go with Zidane, he was playful, fune to use, had brilliant weapons and to the bitter end was a couragous hot head. Not to mention, he's got a good heart - I mean ,com on, he put up with Stiener and all his crazy rusty glory ;D
  27. ArableLadle : Zidane beats Cloud easily! Cloud is annoying moaner compared to Zidane.
  28. Draga: He has a tail, is a thief and isn't an angsty git......Score!
  29. I honestly loved Cloud in AC, but Zidane has always been overall better to me. Template:BfDsig
  30. arcanedude34: Eh. Cloud was a great lead, until AC when he became emo for no reason. Zidane was a good lead even WHEN he was emo (a total of twice throughout the game, if I recall correctly) Plus, Zidane's y favorite FF character, hands down. Therefore, I vote for Zidane.
  31. Dancin':I shall not allow the douchebag known as Cloud Strife WIN. I don't even know who Zidane is but he has my vote!
  32. Zidane is just a great guy. Even after all Kuja put him through, he still went back into the Lifa Tree to try and save him. Would Cloud do the same for Sephiroth? I think not. Plus his double-bladed Ultima Weapon beats Cloud's version of the sword anyday! Signed, Dougar
  33. VitoRyu: Zidane.
  34. Zidane is awesome. Don't mess with Zidane ScatheMote
  35. Easy choice. Dark Raven
  36. 'nuff said... UsmcRave99
  37. I like funny and upbeat way more than "I compensate for being an idiot by wearing a huge sword". Plus, me luv FFIX. Mangartist
  38. Pluto. : Zidane has more depth of character, and made a better hero.
  39. Yumino
  40. Hyacynth : Zidane is easily my favorite FF lead. He's funny, easy-going, and prone to teenage stupidity ("Ooh! Soft!" and "Do something drastic") without being a total bonehead. He's also incredibly competent, which isn't something you often see in the less "serious" FF leads. He's somewhere between old-school Cloud (none of this AC emo) and Tidus. They just don't write 'em like Zidane anymore.
  41. Dazuro : Ooh, soft! Zidane hell yeah. :D
  42. Darkling692 Dazuro is right! Zidane touched Garnet's ass, Cloud touches himself. Zidane all the way
  43. Goldberry2000: A proper main character, the likes of which have yet to be bested.
  44. I love Zidane. No contest. Yzz 16:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  45. Tacochickenwings 01:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Zidane can cop a feel and pee over a cliff. Women approve.
  46. TheChocobo: Ha Ha Ha Ha. I smile at the beauty of Zidane's domination over the free world. Or at least over Mr. Spikey~. I agree with Hyacynth and Tacochickenwings, they just don't come like Zidane anymore. W-a-r-k.
  47. Lockhart - I like Cloud. I really do . In fact, he's the second best hero in the series. The problem is that Zidane is the best. Best lead ever.
  48. Copycatloki :: Poor Cloud, but my vote goes to the Sly Eagle. Out of those two, I like Zidane more.
  49. CidTheFirst: He's an tenacious optimist, a ladies man and he makes a change from the angsty or clueless leads in some of the other installments.
Anonymous Votes
  1. Even during Zidane's periods of depression, he makes a bang, and so begins the best scene in the book. Cloud's just.. fanservice.
  2. Got to say I instantly loved his character. He's so much different than the other protagonist. He’s a thief, uses two daggers sometimes, has an adorable tail, what's not to love? I really love his personality to and he makes me smile. I'll always like Cloud too, but Zidane beats everyone else in my book.
  3. Zidane is just fantastic along with the game he's from. He'll make a greater representative of what a Final Fantasy hero is.
  4. Hands down the best protagonist in the series, there's nothing I don't love about him.He has a kickass tail, it social and the complete opposite of emo, and he can do things that Cloud woule never do. I mean, would Cloud ever have the balls to steal a feel at Tifa's ass? I don't think so. Still Zidane's sady going to lose against the endless sea of mindless FVII fanboys.
  5. Zidane has had more women than Cloud, and got the woman he wanted :) plus he's 16 and did all that too!
  6. I vote for Zidane, gotta love him.
  7. I vote Zidane, of course!!
  8. Firstly, he has a tail. He's like a little monkey. Secondly, he's a nice person. Thirdly, he's a thief, and they're almost always awesome. Fourth, he's in FFIX, my favourite game in the series. Lastly, he is very different to the more famous other heroes and makes a nice change.
  9. My vote goes to Zidane, sure Cloud is cool on some levels with his Omnislash and being the first FF Protagonist on the Play Station, but I just liked Zidane's character better. Funny, charming and witty, a mite perverted but hey! - Musashi
  10. Being called "monkey boy" is far better than being called "emo"~ ;P Zidane for the win ♥
  11. ZIDANE TRIBAL aka ANGEL OF DEATH FOR THE WIN, reasons why. Free Energy = Godhood of Zidane, explained in Rin's Travel Agency! Zidane's Ultima Weapon = Double bladed, Godly & pwns Cloud's pussy-like Ultima Weapon. Final Fantasy IX while underrated = a very good RPG even tho the overrated Final Fantasy VII was good too. Personality = best as a main character from the Final Fantasy series. Being a thief = not the generic swordsman or whatever variation of it each game brings out. The tail = Monkey King Zidane. The pimpin' = he gets Garnet's babelicious ass & Freya's or sometime later in the future steals Beatrix from Steiner & in the end he's not a pussy like the rest of the main characters. He's not emo = he's just a fucking G!

Peanut Gallery

Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was some kind of regularity in when they fights get made? By this point calling them "weeks" seems like some sort of sad joke. --BlueHighwind 00:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, if the last fight was made Friday, and this was made Monday, that's 1 week and 3 days, which is less than a week and a half, so technically if we round it's been a week... Okay, I'll shut up now. 8bit 00:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
That's not counting the weeks lost due to TacticAngel forgetting about this place. By now we must have lost a month of time. What do you say? Let's fire his ass! --BlueHighwind 00:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Woot! I'm all for it! Let's light the torches! - Deadlyslashsword
Hmm. Guy Fawkes' Day tommorrow. Let's light him up then. - Draga

I agree. The fights are getting totally irregular. Why don't we let BlueHighwind do it? BlueLionheart Cloudy Wolf (T/C) 02:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart

You guys seem to forget that Our Dearest Admin has, as opposed to most of the users around, a full-time job. Faethinverba volant
Good for him, I mean it, I'm only working part-time. But if he can't spare the time for the DNC, either as a consequence of his lifestyle or just plaing laziness, I should think he would understand if someone else was appointed to do so. I mean, Blue and I have pretty much been doing that for the last few months, although admittedly Blue's doing more than I am. BTW Blue, was gonna change the fight when I got home, but ya beat me to it. :p Drake Clawfang
I don't see the point of that reply. I said what I mentioned because BlueH and Deadly Slash Guy up there (although the latter was probably hinting irony) seemed to ignore the fact that there are quite a lot of things in a regular person's life other than the DNC. Faethinverba volant
I didn't change the fight. This is 8-Bit's doing. I was waiting for TacticAngel (who I can't imagine is anyone's "Dearest Admin" on any level) to come to me again. If he has a job, that's wonderful - for him. But it doesn't do much for getting the fights done on time, does it? --BlueHighwind 13:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any problem when those who're enthusiastic enough to help maintain this feature does so. I mean, we had a sysop who now chose to be unaffiliated with the wiki, and a bureaucrat who now finds solace in a new wiki and all his time is spent there, both their enthusiasm lost. If they want to handle it, why not? Bluer 17:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I resent that. All my reply was was complete sarcasm. No bad puns intended - Deadlyslashsword

Man, it's hard to choose which one is better. A pair of daggers and a big sword are really awesome but... -- MTC


I am predicting Zidane will take this one by a pretty large margin. Cloud got blown out by Balthier, and then he got blown out by Zack. I do not think he really has that much strength in the DNC.--Oranejo 03:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

So far none of the votes for Zidane mention his "Angel of Death" aspect. Which is good, because he's got so much awesome piled up that it doesn't add to it...if anything it takes away from it and it's not cool. If only FFIX wasn't one of the most overlooked games in the series. At least FFVIII has attention, even if it is overly negative. AnonyMan 07:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Clvabl: I hate cloud haters.06:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Krystal: Yeah, I'm annoyed by Cloud-haters, too. Sure Cloud has his moments, but the desire to protect those he loves makes him a true badass. Much like Auron as a matter of fact.
Zidane-haters are worse, if they don't hate him because of his awesome look. They usually can't get past seeing him as an annoying bug and fail to notice he's one of the kindest and most heroic character in the series.AnonyMan 22:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  1. Free bird 05:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC): This is a close one for me. Both of these protagonists have a lot of strenghts and are great heroes. This is one I'll actually have to think about and which game I like better 'cuz both VII and IX are immortal classics!

I find it highly ironic that some votes for Zidane state the 'over-populatity' of Cloud as their reason for voting RedMage

Who in their right mind would let Blue oversee these fights!

I'm not sure where people get off saying that Sephiroth is most powerful villain in the entire franchise. If Noruma or whoever it was said so, it was most likely to sell copies of the VII compilation. You know, it's not like Zidane defeated the true avatar of death, or Terra laid waste to a guy that absorbed the pillars of magic itself... oh wait, nevermind. They did do that. 8bit 23:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

They've just said Sephy is the most powerful being in Final Fantasy VII's world. Which makes him even a worse villain than ever, to have the creators declare him the strongest and for him to keep getting his ass kicked. Drake Clawfang
Advent Children was garbage, but if Sephiroth won, he'd take over the universe= end of compilation= no more money. And besides Masamune=pwn. CHaosEsperVII
I think that Drake missed the point. Sephiroth is supposed to be the end-all, superpowered, badass, God so that the player will want to beat him. Which would you rather fight: Some little sub-demon in a cave, or the ultimate power of the universe? --BlueHighwind 01:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
That still doesn't explain why Sephiroth is lauded as the most powerful villain of all time. Of course he's better than Black Waltz and Hidon, but how is he stronger (key word) than Necron or Kefka? "Better" or "more likable" is your opinion, but I don't see where he's especially omnipowerful compared to other Final Bosses. 8bit 02:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Comparing powers is a waste of time. I'd say that most Final Bosses are equal in their easiness to defeat. Sephiroth's power is the same power as the Joker. His popularity gives him immortality. Necron (who I never saw to be very powerful at all, plot-wise) will stay in his grave forever because nobody likes him. --BlueHighwind 02:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
No, Blue, to borrow one of your phrases: "the contrivances of the plot make Sephiroth immortal". And "end-all, superpowered, badass, God" - except he wasn't the first, third, and fell short of the fourth. As for comparing powers, in the end every Final Fantasy villain dies or otherwise is defeated, so really, none of them are that great. Come to think of it, Golbez, Kuja and Edea are the ones who never died, so they're the best I supposed. Hell, Kuja actually killed the party, so there's your ultimate bad-ass! Drake Clawfang
Sephiroth never died either. As long as Jenova cells exist, so will Sephiroth. Plus Sephiroth isn't another "I want to destroy everything" antagonist. He wants to be a god and rule over all. And I ask Zidane vote #32, Why would Cloud want to save Sephiroth after all he put him through? ChaosEsperVII
You're right in a certain way : as cloud deafeates Sephy himself, he won't save him juste after killing him. But Zidane didn't really kill Kuja, so saving him is a way of showing how heroic and kind Zidane is. Oh, and Drake, I think some people saying Sephiroth is the strongest actually mean he's one of the most charismatic, with a personnality which make you hate him. Or somethng like that. I don't know, for me Kuja is a better villain ^^. Alarielle
Nah, it's more like people proclaim that becuase since AC and afterward everything's way over-the-top and had Sephiroth cleave through buildings, lots of people assume that he's the strongest villain in the series...or in some cases ever. He's the most pathetic villian since he keeps losing to someone who is so far below him. I also agree Kuja's a bett...wait the best villain. AnonyMan 12:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I can't give credit to Advent Children, but even as a human, Sephiroth was strong. In Crisis Core he was cleaving buildings in half. And when his body died, his will overpowered Jenova's instinct. And if he was able to stop Holy by himself, you gotta give him credit. I'm not saying he may be the strongest villain, but I'll say again FFVII's power curve is higher than any other when you have guys that could jump hundreds of feet in the air, an immortal, guy who fights an entire army etc. etc. And besides time and time again, Sephiroth's weakness is his arrogance, and the full extent of his power hasn't been shown yet. ChaosEsperVII
Yeah, he's done some big feats. None of the other FF's really have that visual direction that they've given VII(even It wasn't always like that). Only thing close to doing it is Dissidia. Most FFGame verses are one the same level as VII's power curve like VI, and VIII. If any other FF got as much attention they'd be throwing buildings around too. AnonyMan 17:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I see where you guys are going but think about it, Kuja, Kefka, Exdeath, Golbez, all of them, they only had one time to prove themselves the greatest and how many games was Sephiroth in? I will admit, he's got something going for him but I ddon't see how he's the greatsest, I personally think Kefka holds that cup - maybe even Kuja and Necron, and what of Zeromus? Popularity shouldn;t determine who is best. Konira
What Sesshiroth has going for him are blind fanboys who got their FF cherries popped on the PlayStation and praise him like the God he thinks he is. Like it says in the rant of my userpage, somehow he's managed to ride his own coattails for the past ten years. Enough is enough. Drake Clawfang
All I'm saying is that Sephiroth still hasn't shown us everything, whereas Zeromus or Exdeath or Chaos has. I'm not saying he's stronger than them because they are basically gods and he was almost one. I'm just pointing out that we currently cannot gauge his power. And damn the fanboys, I like everything in 7 because it revolutionized RPGs and I felt that it was the best game I've ever played. I agree with IGN in that it suffers now from overexposure. The 7th Chaos Esper only puts out the facts. ChaosEsperVII
Not to continue this further.I think that "true power unknown" proclamation is pure BS, and was just made so SE doesn't upset blind die-hard fans from thinking that Sephiroth isn't the end-all-be-all villain. AnonyMan 01:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Probably true, but we can only see in the next sequel. And I don't think Dissidia would be a reliable scale. They're going to make everyone the same strength to balance the game. I mean, I like Squall and all, but SOLDIER>SeeD.ChaosEsperVII
Don't shortchange VIII just yet, SeeDs just as revered as SOLDIER was. They basically have their equivalent of Mako and J-Cells with GFs and Junction(just alot more user-friendly). Squall going up against Sephiroth in that trailer is not far-fetched as all, more like fianlly giving him his dues. AnonyMan 12:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Squall's always had his dues. His problem was that he had a tough act to follow. Come on now, how was Squall suppossed to compete with one of the best (and I use that word with a grain of salt) RPGs ever? - Deadlyslashsword
Don't get me wrong, SeeD is good, but SOLDIER has J-Cells plus mako plus materia on top of that. And I agree, people hate FF8 because they thought it would live up to FF7. Oh but I do hate Ultimecia. ChaosEsperVII

Sephiroth isn't the strongest FF villain, but he isn't the weakest either. He surpassed death, merged with Jenova, absorbed the Black Materia, is even stronger than the Weapons, and can fight with the party while summoning Meteor and holding back Holy. He deserves some credit.

You are right, he's not weak, but he's human. Genetically modified, but human. He survived death ? Chaos, Emperor Mateus, Xande (stopping time), Exdeath, even Yu Yevon have done that. Notice I chose some ridiculous villains such as Xande and Yu Yevon to prove you it's no reason to think he's stronger… Merged with Jenova ? Emperor becomes Emperor of Hell just after dying, while it took Sephy many years to manipulate his mom. For the rest, there doesn't exist many comparison, but you see what I mean : few villains have done something the others haven't. I don't want to find out the strongest villain, I think it's stupid to compare people coming out from different worlds with different rules. Alarielle
It didnt take him many years to manipulate Jenova. He found out, burned Nibelheim, decapitated her, fell into lifestream, then took her over. All in a fews days hard work.... Or not. And being human doesn't mean anything, many of FF's humans are incredibly powerful. ChaosEsperVII

I agree with Alarielle but for the 7 haters Sephiroth let Cloud win in AC.In he > than Kuja.& Cloud will in a real fight. User:Clvabl

There's only two options - Sephiroth took control of Jenova right away and sat on his ass for five years before using her to look for the Black Materia, or it took him five years to take control of her. Jenova was the real villain of the game. Sephiroth controlled Jenova, just as Zemus controlled Golbez and Ultimecia controlled Edea. And just like Zemus and Ultimecia, Sephiroth sat on his ass letting his avatar do the work for him while he napped in his crystal. Very lame. Drake Clawfang
Jenova wasn't the real villain, just like Edea (though I wished she was). Jenova and Sephiroth are basically one. ChaosEsperVII

NO Jenove was the main villain she brain wash Sephiroth when he went crazy. Clvabl

Agreed with drake. If he overthrew Jenova in a few days, I want to know why he wait for Cloud's team to be set up to start destroying the game. And if Jenova, The Calamity fallen from the skies (or something like that - I don't know English name), is not a real villain, tell me what she is. Yet you're right saying she's not FFVII main villain, because she's kind of asleep. And that is WORSE about Sephy : he took 5 years to control something almost dead. And, no, she didn't brain wash Sephy... Alarielle PS : I want to remember people that, for me, Sephy is FF's second best main villain after Kuja (look my userpage), so I don't criticize him because I don't like him.
Well, taking 5 years to control Jenova can not really be a knock against Sephiroth, considering no one else in the VII universe is able to do it. =P --Oranejo 18:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Amen... Jenova is the villain in the sense that her viral instincts want to infect the planet and destroy all life. However, Sephiroth's will overcomes Jenova's instincts and uses them for his own personal agenda. The whole point of the game is to stop Sephiroth and Meteor, killing Jenova is just a bonus. Therefore, Sephiroth is the main villain. Actually, Hojo is because he's directly responsible for all the wrong within the Compilation, but thats a story for another day...Or never. ChaosEsperVII
That's actually true about Hojo. I follow the stench of evil back to the first carrier. Sephiroth is an insane SOLDIER who wants to be a God. He is the son of, and experiment, of Hojo. Hojo in turn did these experiments that jeopardized the planet using Jenova's cells. Without Jenova, Hojo's evil would likely not have been so consequential. Plus, Jenova killed off the Ancients, and it was to fight her that the Weapons were created, and she created the Northern Crater where Sephiroth went to use Meteor. One way or the other, Jenova directly or indirectly caused all the problems the planet faced. Drake Clawfang

Sephiroth isn't human anymore. He merged with Jenova, becoming one with her. The Compilation Ultimania states that "Sephiroth synthesized with Jenova to complete his revival", and this quote is about the real Sephiroth, the one at the Northern Crater, and at the core of the planet. Not to mention that he is using Jenova cells and corrupted Mako(Kadaj) to form his body, in AC He is far from human.

True in the later parts of the story. But in Crisis Core, for instance, he is human with Jenova's cells. But he's more human than Genesis or Angeal. Actually, many FF villains are huma and want to/do become gods or something like that. I just want to show he's not particularly strong or special. Alarielle

In Crisis Core(and Before Crisis) Sephiroth wasn't a full Jenova-being, because he hadn't fully merged with Jenova yet, but he wasn't 100% human. Pre-Nibel Sephiroth was a hybrid. When his body and cells were being formed(in the womb of Lucrecia) he was injected with J-cells, and because of that, his celular structure changed. As an adult, Jenova was already part of his DNA, and that's why Genesis wanted his cells, when Genesis couldn't find J-cells. Because S-cells and J-cells are very similar. Then Sephiroth fell in the Lifestream, learned how to control the J-cells, and used the Reunion to get the Black Materia, AND synthesize with the rest of the J-cells, becoming a full Jenova-being. Well, my point is... Sephiroth was never human.

And each FF villain is strong and special in their own way.

Week 91: Ultimecia v. Cloud of Darkness

Winner!!
DRAW
43 to 46
Its the battle of generally unpopular female antagonists or evil b*#(@es no one really cares about. This battle occurs at the bottom of the villain barrel. Who will be the queen of filth!?

Votes for Ultimecia

  1. first vote! :D Ulti gets my vote because I like her idea of Time Compression. It's way much cooler than World Domination.SilverSummoner 00:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  2. Sigh... poor impudent harlot.... wait, which one am I talking about? Ah yes, Ultimecia because she's currently losing badly. This is my revenge for having "Particle Beam" slaughter my party several times over. Plus, "The Extreme" isn't a bad piece of music either. Don't be mad! I haven't played VIII! I don't know anything!!!! Don't scream at me T_T 8bit 03:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  3. Ultimecia's a bitch. I hated her because she never was important until THE END of the game. But since she haven't been in the DNC, and I'm HUGE FFVIII fan, minus well support her. Besides, COD is a slut! Squallinoa 08 03:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  4. Who? --Maverick King 05:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  5. Even though I like Cloud of Darkness a whole hell of a lot more, I must give my vote to Ultimecia, the sole reason being that she possessed Edea, and I hate Edea with a flaming passion. - Deadlyslashsword
  6. Ameria: Am I the only person who actually liked Ultimecia?
  7. SilverMage: See, I'm voting for the IDEA of Ultimecia, not the overall character. The idea is good. Time Compression, possessing people, destroying all things except for herself, Sorceress of all time- everything about her concept I agree with, and she could've been the best villain in the series. But the execution was shit, so she was a mediocre villain. Cloud of Darkness was an alright villain, but unoriginal. Ultimecia gets my vote solely because she suffered from strong concept but poor execution. Just like the rest of Final Fantasy VIII. Wasted potential.
  8. She doesn't deserve all this hatred. Dark Raven
  9. Rydiaofmist: I'm one of the few people who really liked her.
  10. Rihya - Yeah, both are lame final bosses that make no sense within the story, but CoD makes even less sense than Ultimecia! Everyone is saying that Ultimecia just pops up at the final battle, but on the beginning of Disc 3 you already knew she existed, and knew she was the main villain behind everything. You had enough time to gather hatred towards her for controlling Rinoa and leaving her to die in space. CoD on the other hand just falls out of nowhere after the real villain of the game is destroyed. Also, Ultimecia has a kickass castle that was one of the coolest final dungeons so far, and had Griever, the most kickass 'evil pet' so far!
  11. Mr. Rojo: I really like Ultimecia, I know she appers til the end of the game, but if you think it her character was here since the beginning of it. I found her situation interesant. Also, it's one of my favorite final fights and games. :)
  12. AnonyMan: She's right under Kuja as far as villains goes. She was one of the best Final Boss(es) in ther series(she's even mean enough to force who starts fighting her). People who think she just showed up at the end of VIII really need to pay attention, she was running the show from Disc 1(she was there just in another sort) and has motive. CoD? Appears at the end and has zero personality. Hell even comparing her to Ultimecia is an insult to her. She's more like Zeromus or Necron. Lastly she made Edea badass if very evil(yeah, that was her) the music is pretty cool too.
  13. Alarielle: It's hard for me to vote this time, but I'll go for Ultimecia, because the idea of Time Compression was just so great compared to reducing the world to nothingness and all that stuff CoD wanted.
  14. Terra_Homing: Battling her was epic! There was great music and impossible bosses and that bloody apocalypse attack! She forces your party as well, just to make it that little bit harder!
  15. PhoenixDew: Hmm, I have to support Ultimecia, because unlike COD who literally didn't show up until the ending of the game, Ultimecia was there the whole time. She was just in disguise of Edea. And since I think Edea was freaking awesome, that means it was really Ultimecia who was so awesome.
  16. Vanishing Star Well, of course. I've actually played this game. Never played III. She was a really awesome boss. But, I agree with SilverMage. :) .
  17. Tedtumbleweed: I haven't played 3, but it's clear Ultimecia is the better villain. CoD just isn't in the same class. Plus she had the best pet ever.
  18. MrAllStar2: I no ultimecia was a confusing character, but she can control time and ppl, cmon!! she cud control CoD if she wanted to
  19. Aleria;
  20. Jammi568: At least she has the decency to put some clothes on. Plus, she has one of the more original ideas in the series.
  21. MardukKurios: Kira and Chap are really hot! Super Cool Design with a real unique evil purpose - controlling all forms of time is more creepy than just dominate the world... Also I only know her and I only heard that Cloud of Darkness just appears in the End of FF3 with never being noticed in the entire Game... thats a bit... well... Ultimecia ROCKS!!!! And the best aspect is Guardian Force Griever and she posses the most devastating magic you only can draw in the Final Fight - Apocalypse!!!! What do I have to tell you more? Ultimecia ist just awesome!
  22. AvaGirl: Hm. I don't have much of a reason...
  23. Free bird 01:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC) : I thought Sorceress Ultimecia was a pretty cool villain. She was revolutionary, in a way, in that she was present throughout the entire game (in Edea's body) and Time Compression was a completely new idea that should be featured and improved upon in future FF games. Yes, FFVIII is my favorite FF!
  24. Mr_Darkide Ms.Ultimecia was the 2nd best vallin of all time after Mr.Sephiroth.
  25. Zordrac If Satan had a wife, Ultimecia would be her...
  26. Pluto.: She was the more difficult to beat, and the Time Compression thing was really cool.
  27. User:clvabl:She's cooler then Edea & do not delete my vote.
  28. BornfromDarkness20:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  29. Copycatloki 13:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC) :: Ultimecia gets my vote. Finally a villian who had something else on her mind than world domination. All power to the Descendant of Hyne.
  30. Ultimecia is Sorceress Edea. Edea sucks when she isn't the villain, but it's Ultimecia when she is. So even though she's sporting another body, it's Ultimecia you love. I like Ulti regardless though. I Lion Heart I
  31. recino Realy? CoD v.s. Ultimecia? CoD honestly looks like ultimecia's sluty daughter and besides which if those 2 meet Ultimcia would just use her time compression powers to toss CoD in to a bleak and dissmel future to rot and die
  32. Twilight_rain I haven't played any of the games these villains are in, but I must say that Time Compression sounds like the coolest thing a villain could do. Ever.
  33. Theentertainer Only because she has griever which is one of my favorite summons and we have yet to see it in another game. if its so powerful why is it restricted to FF8???
  34. mateo360 As much as she was a pain to fight, I have to admit she is the better of the two since she has a reason she is evil. Time Compression.
  35. Pinoyzidane Ultimecia is definitely the ultimate "unpopular female antagonist or evil b*#(@e" ... or "queen of filth."
  36. Sinh 03:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  37. Konira My vote is for Ultimecia, I never got to actually fight her - or even see her for that matter but from what I've read, she's got a lot more backgrounf going for her then 'I will destroy the world!' like CoD.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Ultimecia had some of the best end-game music in the entire series and Time Compression and The Castle were just....wow. I have to say I'm voting for Ultimecia's castle and the whole time compression theory, rather then the B-word herself.
  2. Time compression = Unique. World Domination = Not so unique.
  3. ULTIMECIA over Cloud of Darkness. Iono they both look pretty good but CoD looks like a Hentai character with those tentacles. But yeah Time Compression is not so generic like World Domination. Plus Ultimecia controlled Edea who is very lovable :]
  4. I vote for Ultimecia. She's way better than CoD, and i will never get why ppl are so bitter against her.
  5. Only cause III > VIII for me.
  6. Definately Ultimecia, while I can agree that she's not so "REVEALING" as CoD (seriously, is that a main reason alot choose her? ^^; ), and that her past could have been explained alot better in the game -May I pray for Square Enix to make a sequel to FFVIII that will explain it all- The main reason I vote for her is because in all honesty, she was known in the game waay before the party came face to face with her, possessing Edea and that red haired... Person, whatever that guy's name is. Ultimecia ALL THE WAY!!!
  7. Definitely more original that Cloud of Darkness. World domination... So cliche. Ultimecia wins. By a LONG shot.
  8. Ultimecia of course! She rocked and besides, Final Fantasy VIII was just better. And hi everyone! New here, just signed up. Lol.
  9. Let's see... One who acted since the start, but remained unknown until nearly the end Vs. One who was created after the defeat of the true villain, and not even follows the same goal, not to mention that her relation with the former villain are non-existent (except created by his acts). That's easy for me.
  10. Ultimecia was there during the whole story, using another body. CoD appeared out of nowhere, only at the end of the game.
  11. the design everyone is fawning over of CoD wasn't even used in the original game, everything about her is an afterthought, Ultimecia on the other hand is a key being within the game causing true destruction and has a real persona and reason for looking as she does, she believes it makes her beautiful. CoD is just a sparsely dressed nobody.
  12. Just a great villain.

Votes for Cloud of Darkness

  1. Hmm...The Black Mages version of her boss battle music kicked major ass, as far as songs that kick ass are concerned. Also, she's pretty much naked...she's got that going for her. Yep, theme music and nudity. --Rattlehead 05:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  2. I like CoD better than Ultimecia...Mana0803 14:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  3. CoD seems fairly cool in Dissidia, while Ultimecia is the stain of VIII, and considering VIII itself is a stain on the series, that's pretty bad. Drake Clawfang
  4. Blykus: I don't mind either of them like most seem to, but neither of them are my favorite at the same time. My vote will go to Cloud of Darkness due to her sheer bad-assery and ability to relentlessly mess my party up. And, let's face it -- her Dissidia artwork is hot.
  5. PeanutLord 00:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC) Cloud of Darkness is naked in her original game. That's enough to give her my vote.
  6. Faethinverba volant :Even though I'm one of those rare users who actually likes Ultimecia, I'm voting for the trashy slut villain whose theme gets the greatest guitar solo ever performed by Square's own King of Rock.
  7. Yumino
  8. Oranejo 00:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  9. BlueHighwind: Which one isn't Ultimecia? I'm on that side.
  10. ScatheMote I won't vote for Ultimecia because she sucks.
  11. RadLink5: Yeah, Cloud of Darkness is pretty cool for not appearing until the very end of the game, what with her whole "I want to make everything disappear" goals. Also her clothing options range from incredibly revealing to naked.
  12. I've whooped her butt at least nine times. BlueLionheart 03:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart
  13. I give Cloud of Darkness some credit for being a really, really, really hard final boss. I had to go from level 50 to 60 just to beat her. 60!!--ChiefKakashi 05:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  14. Fyrmer: Cloud of Darkness has tentacles. That alone makes her cooler than Ultimecia. All Ulti's got are wings. Wings have been done way too many times.
  15. Can't wait untill Dissidia where i can slaughter Ultimecia with Sephiroth and Warrior of Light Rocking Chair
  16. Ultima The High Seraph: You can see one of her boobs in the picture. She may have really sucked in the game but, you can see her boobs. And plus Ultimecia was far worse than her.
  17. Tzui20: In the original game you were´nt not able to get to know much about her, but now she can show what kind of villain she really is! And her orginal color theme is back... greeeeeeeen.
  18. Gamer2127: I don't like either, but I don't like CoD less...or something.
  19. Pikmin Master:...This one, I guess...
  20. Pablo618: I Lol'd at the introduction and I am so looking forward for CoD in Dissidia
  21. Cloudofdarkness ^_^ Heh, do I need to explain myself?
  22. Nomura I HATE ULTIMECIA!!!! She really-really SUCKS!!! Go on, Cloud of Darkness, turn this WITCH into the void!!!!
  23. Dark Paladin Danny I LOVE CoD, she's awesome, birght green and has one of THE best battle themes ever ^^
  24. Sanctiel Ultimecia's goal is some confusing time thing while CoD has one simple goal: kill everything.
  25. ChaosEsperVII Ultimecia's only saving grace is her final music. Alas, that isn't enough. Seriously? Taking Edea out of the picture is like when they took Mulder out of X files.
  26. Sora G. Strife: I say, heads, or heads? No questions here.
  27. Yath: Eh, CoD was alot harder. 1st time: Instant pwn. 2nd time: a bit longer for that pwn to come. Her theme kicks ass, and the only non-corpreal final boss that can be damaged.
  28. Yzz Ultimecia confused the shit outta me, with all the manipulation and time compression... I've hated her ever since I played the game. Now, CoD on the other hand, she has just one, simple, straight-forward goal: Get rid of everything and make the world nothing. Yeah, she did come out of nowhere, but it makes sense if you allow it to, you know? Plus, CoD looks waaaay cooler.
  29. lost-myth i know some of the story line for VIII but i have ffIII and well i've seen some videos and i choose the cloud of darkness cause she wants 2 destroy everything, no cause he is hot or anything (most of the ppl who voted for both characters)
  30. Myself 123 00:36, 28 October 2008 (UTC). She's wearing less clothes.....STOP JUDGING ME!!!
  31. HighwindAsylum I haven't gotten to the point where I fight either of them, but I like FF3 better than 8.
  32. Lessee... Battle theme, Looks, Difficulty, Ultimate attack, Game they're in, Reason to destroy everything, Lack of clothes... I think CoD wins in everything. --SCM
  33. Eh. CoD had no backstory, but cme from a game not too plot heavy compared to FFVIII. I can forgive that--Otherarrow 12:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  34. Karhunkynsi Well, FF8 is better as a game, but Ultimecia is just pathetic and sad.
  35. Pete11: Yeah Cloud of Darkness is the best man i know, and i think she´s hot like a hotdog, ultimecia is too female.
  36. BigSlurp Yeah Cloud of Darkness looks trashier, so we'll go with her. Not that either one of these is really worth voting on for anything.
  37. JudgeZarbi TALK
  38. VitoRyu: I don't get why people hate CoD's motive. While Ultimecia CHOSE to compress time for no explained reason, CoD's reason was there all along, she was CREATED to destroy everything.
  39. Lockhart: Meh. This kind of feels like the upcoming election day, I don't really want to vote for either.
  40. Arcanedude34: One of the happiest days of my life (or the month I guess) was when I finally got to pummel Cloud of Darkness. And die. And die again. And again and again and then FINALLY won. Ultimecia was just lame.
  41. I haven't played VIII yet, but I know enough of Ultimecia to make my vote, Cloud of Darkness is better and looks better (although I think Time Compression is better than World Destruction).CoD gets my VoteCecil
  42. 3 was a much better game than 8, so I'mma have to go for Cloud of Darkness here.Lord Ryu the Great

Anonymous Votes

  1. I Think COD is more cool,plus,i think she is more powerful and she meant to destroy the world,Ultimecia SUCKS!
  2. Cloud of Darkness is just the better female antagonist in final fantasy dissidia! CoD´s the winner!
  3. lol, Ultimecia.
  4. I like the music when your up against Cloud of Darkness better.
  5. Particle Beam-9999x4-Your party has been defeated...
  6. CoD kick her ass!!! oh wait he´s to tiny... kick her boobs!!!
  7. FF3 is WAAAAAAYYY better than FF8
  8. Best Boss EVER!!!

Peanut Gallery

Cluna06: Miss Tomlin does not have any comments about these villianesses at this time.

Oh Devil i don't know who to vote for Rocking Chair

After listening to CoD's theme, I don´t agree, Faethin. Kick-ass. Reminds me of Zero's theme from Megaman X in a way. Drake Clawfang

I love the fight summary :) 8bit 03:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, disciple, remember how you said before in Tifa vs Setzer, that Sephiroth doesn't appear in the game that much? Ultimecia appears even less. You don't even see what she looks like until the final battle. Drake Clawfang

Anyone else totally unsuprised by the last fight's outcome? BlueLionheart 03:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart

It's pretty obvious COD is gonna win. Besides, COD is hella sexi, for a slut. Squallinoa 08 05:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Ultimecia doesnt appear untill right at the end of the game but so does Cloud Of Darkness. In fact on that matter 3 crystals in and all you know about Xande is that he wants the crystals destroyed and he isnt even the main villian. Both are pretty shocking villians but in Ultimecia's defense she was kind of there for the whole game even if it was apparently possesing someone which is total bullshit. Actually screw all that Ultimecia's shocking im voting COD! John Lennon would of done the same.Rocking Chair

Seriously, both are lame villains compared to the last two. You hardly even know they exist till they magically appear out of nowhere in front of your crew babling how they want to destroy everything. Even their goal is stupid: Who in their right mind wants to destroy everything but themselves? At least others like Kefka wants to own everything, they gain something from their goal. I bet people's votes here are mainly based on the game or the looks, no more. Maj. H

They both look really similar anyways. I haven't played III, but I don't like it when they take out a major character and replace it with a weaker character. Imagine them taking out Sephiroth or Jecht and replacing them with Team Rocket. ChaosEsperVII]

Both are cool but I vote fo COD

Zack fair 007 Its tough. 2 females that ARE VILLAINS and from a game thats NOT VII OR 10....that like pitting against Jenova or something...

Oh yeah, Cloud of Darkness has one of the best battle themes I've heard in Final Fantasy, loved it ever since I played Chocobo Racing ^^ Dark Paladin Danny

There's something I've been wanting to ask. I've been coming here, alot and I been always wanting to know: "How do you guys tally the votes?" Squallinoa 08 02:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Um....count them? Drake Clawfang
U know but how? I mean, in the Gabranth vs Golbez fight, Golbez had 42 user votes and 8 anonymous votes, which gives a total of 50 votes. Golbez won by 46 1/2 votes. How is that possible and how do you guys calcalate it? Squallinoa 08 13:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
.....um, we count them? Anon votes are worth half a point, user votes are worth one, haven't you ever picked that up? Drake Clawfang
but gabranth had 28 user votes and 7 anonymous votes, technically that's 35 or using your maths that's 31 1/2, how come it tallied up as 23 1/2? not that i voted gabranth, i voted the other side, just your maths sucks.
read the answer before answering, please. 28 user and 7 anon votes makes 28+3,5 = 31,5. They are wrong, and so are you. Don't criticize what you can't make better. Alarielle
i said it was 31.5.
Oh i c. Seems kinda difficult to count. An anon point is 1/2. So two anon points is 1 pt? UH! It's so difficult! Squallinoa 08 03:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ever notice that even though COD has more votes, all of them together take up less space than all of Ultimecia's vote? Can this somehow be worked into the scoring? Like, a lot of people who voted for CoD was like "She's naked." or "Ultimecia sucks." However those who voted for Ultimecia actually gave REASONS why they think Utlimecia is better. This system is flawed, man. - Deadlyslashsword

No. --BlueHighwind 19:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)]
"Flawed", says the man who's fighter of choice is losing. Drake Clawfang
So what? I'm just bringing up an issue I felt no one else was going to address. And for the record, I very nearly voted for CoD. Did you even read my vote? Let's just poke fun at me because who I voted for is losing! You guys are awesome. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. - Deadlyslashsword
Well, you accuse the system of being flawed when your side is losing. What are we supposed to think? Drake Clawfang
Maybe that I'm actually bringing up a valid claim? Believe me, I'm not going to bullshit you guys just over a stupid DNC battle. That would be retarded. - Deadlyslashsword
Hey, don't include me in Drake's need to get into an argument with at least one person every single day. I just said "No". Which is all you need to say. --BlueHighwind 20:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, not to jab at your character or anything, but we've had DNC fights over dumber things than this. Drake Clawfang
Yeah, I can think of a few now that you mention it. And sorry Blue, for dragging you into this. I thought TacticAngel was in charge of the DNC though? - Deadlyslashsword
Officially yes, but when was the last time you saw him here to do anything besides changing the fight? Blue and I keep the place tidy for him. Drake Clawfang
Ah. Fair point. - Deadlyslashsword
I'm not staff here or anything, but even I can see why "let's judge it by who has more stuff written in their vote box" is wrong. It's too late now to change the rules since most people didn't write-up long reasons for their votes under the assumption it wouldn't matter. Also if it were based on which character had a longer box, people would stretch their votes out as long as they could and deciding what counted as an actual reason and what didn't would be totally subjective. Last but not least, it's a popularity contest, not a debate match. - RadLink5
I'm not staff, or even remotely important on here but i agree with RadLink5, if we did change the rules i know I'd write whole paragraphs just so I'd get a win. I'm sad like that and I'm sure others are the same. We can't change it in the middle of a fight anyway. Sorry Deadlyslashsword. - Terra_Homing

OMG Ultimecia is in the edge of losing... SilverSummoner 12:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The battle description is a bit annoying, are all colloseum descriptions so biased? Cloud of Darkness happens to be one of my favourite villains *Loves FF3 nearly as much as 6) Dark Paladin Danny
I felt the same way about the battle description. There are some people who like one or both of those villains, and the description is blatantly disrespectful towards their opinions. Rydiaofmist
The description is supposed to be funny, lighten up. Speaking of funny, did someone really just compliment Cloud of Darkness by calling her "hot like a hotdog"? XD - RadLink5

Ultimecia is really gonna lose... She's gonna lose just because she put more clothes on her body...SilverSummoner 06:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Pretty Much. Things like this happen, plenty of DNC bouts end up like that. Like Freya vs. Fran. Freya is by all counts the better character but most of the votes for Fran(who won) was that she looked "better". AnonyMan 21:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
People are free to have their reasons to think one thing is better than the other. Though I do think if enough people liked Ultimecia she shouldn't have a problem beating such an obscure villain no matter how naked she may be. FF8 is just generally unpopular around here for one reason or another. - RadLink5
aaannd.... what is the reason exactly? Because she wears more clothes? :D SilverSummoner 02:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL @ anon vote #6 for Ultimecia! 8bit 17:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Why didn't they use Xande as the main villain opposing the FFIII hero? COD never appeared till the end of the game, and yet she's gonna appear in Dissidia. Squallinoa 08 01:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought the same thing! The only reasons I can think of are that they wanted more than two females out of a cast of twenty, or they thought Cloud of Darkness was just cooler and they wanted a chance to expand her beyond "That final boss from FF3". - RadLink5
Most likely the former reason. If they went by the latter then Zeromus and Necron might as well be on the roster. AnonyMan 17:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
This is true, but Kuja and Golbez are badasses, Xande is not. He wants to destroy the world because he's been given mortality instead of great powers ? Yeah, it looks like Kuja, but Kuja has a personnality. I also don't remember having seen Xande before reaching the Crystal Tower : before that you only HEAR about him, so he's not better han Ultimecia. Alarielle

If more people paid attention to FFVIII's story, they would vote in Ultimecia. Because during CD 1, and 2, she was Edea. Ultimecia was there from the start, and for that reason, is much more developed than Cloud of Darkness.

I guess some people just hate that game for it. Like me. Though I also hate it for sixteen other things, so yeah. --BlueHighwind 01:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Cloud of Darkness also was there from the start. She caused the earthquake.
No, that was Xande, as he did everything that happens in III. CoD appears only at the end, when the World of Darkness is opened by Xande. Alarielle
You are wrong. The time also was stopped for Xande. My source? Unei and the Warriors of Darkness. Cloud of Darkness appears when the world was covered by darkness, and she caused the earthquake. Read the script please. --Sinh 19:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

How can Ultimecia be an unpopular female antagonist that no one cares about, if the "evil" sorceress Edea from the first half of FFVIII, have alot of fans? They are the same person. Through Edea, Ultimecia IS popular.

Maybe, but with or without Ultimecia, Edea is still hotter. --BlueHighwind 19:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't you think it's time to get the winner decided? it's monday already... usually there's new fight every monday.. SilverSummoner 03:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually TacticAngel is as inconsistant as an old man's bowel movements when making new fights. You may have to wait another week. --BlueHighwind 03:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Aren't you saying this because it gives you the hope that tie won't be said ? We all know how much you like Ulti ^^ Alarielle

WOW, a tie! I thought everyone hated Ultimecia?! Oh well, now i know what the outcome of this fight is. Give thanks to me because I suggested this fight! Squallinoa 08 03:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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