Votes for Cloud
- Krystal: Hands down on Cloud! All Zidane ever does is to act like an old-fashioned hero (even though he is an angel of death). Cloud on the other hand is a more complex and conflicted character who has underneath his shell a desire to help and protect others. He is also a strong character who has some weaknesses underneath. I don't care what you Cloud-haters say! Cloud has a cooler sword, a cooler bike and at least he is voiced by a man, whereas Zidane is voiced by a girl. Plus he's a lot hotter! Enough said.
- SilverSummoner All hail the spikey guy! :D
- Ajox I like them both, but Cloud is the ultimate hero :D
- All of what Krystal said. I love Cloud!!! BlueLionheart (T/C) 02:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Zack fair 007 02:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC) nabn, i thought Clloud would win. When i saw Advent Children AGAIN, its hard NOT to vote for him. But zidane, gets a very honourable mention.
- I'll take crazy over nice anyday. =P --Oranejo 02:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Zidane has a flippin' tail. Not cool. Anyways, Cloud is just so much more badass than Zidane. And think of this: Who would really win in a fight? - Deadlyslashsword
- Slighter Not a tough call, got to go with my favourite video game character of all time. Zidane aint half bad though, it's a shame he's against Cloud.
- Super Sephiroth: Zidane was an awesome hero, but Cloud can use magic, has a better limit and his weapon is much cooler. Sorry, Zidane.
- ChiefKakashi: Cloud's gonna get slaughtered...
- Rydiaofmist: Cloud definitely had issues, but that just made him interesting. I liked Zidane too, but I found Cloud to be the more memorable character.
- Blykus: Although I like Final Fantasy IX more than Final Fantasy VII, the latter was still my first Final Fantasy game and -- in turn -- Cloud was the first protagonist in the series I was introduced to. Aside from that nostalgia, I've also grown to like the character in all the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII titles. This was a tough choice to make, but I have to go with Mister Strife.
- JudgeZarbi • TALK •
- mateo360: Cloud, just because there is something about Zidane that annoys me for some reason.
- Murasame77: Whoa, I never expected to see Cloud losing. He'd get my vote anyway. First FF and all that.
- MardukKurios: Final Fantasy VII is just awesome. He will get all points because his Omnislash kicks @ss and Zidane don't have any Multi-Slash-Attacks and Trance is NOT awesome - Trance is ewww! Yay for LIMIT-BREAKS - Eternal YAY for FF7!
- Mr_Darkside: He's defeat the most badass villian of all time, Twice!!! and kicked Bahamut SIN's ass too. What has Zidane done lately?
- Masamune: Tough choice, but I think Cloud is going to lose. Pity vote.
- User:clvabl: Everybody who for Zidane is slow & Cloud is badass yo
- User:shadowjomi: Is this really a contest, what can some daggers do against the almighty buster sword...
- MrAllStar2:they both r awesome, but cloud had 2 chicks instead of 1, hehe
- ChaosEsperVII: Omnislash with Ultima Weapon= Pwn. Plus Cloud is way more powerful, deeper, complicated, has a better story, cooler looking, has a gangster ass bike, and wields the Buster Sword and First Tsurugi. Anyone who thinks another protagonist character can beat Cloud in a fight needs to wake up. He beat Sephiroth, the most powerful of villains, with sheer willpower. Alas, his downfall is due to Square's overexposure of him.
- CloudVII: Cloud.
- Cloud's much better, he must be strogner as he eaisely holds up the massive Buster Sword, as Zidane only holds those little daggers. Myself 123 19:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- Mvinnicius: Cloud, all the way.
- Gamefreak520: Ultimate Weapon + Omnislash=More damage than Knights of the Round and the First Tsurgi is just awesome, what other hero can combine 6 swords into 1. GO CLOUD!!
- neoSeth: Cloud, for the simple reason of being the hero in the first (and the best, IMO) FF I ever played and for being the trademark hero for the series. FF simply rules, specially VII. Zidane's great, nonetheless.
- Mr. Rojo: I like both characters, they are great heros in their own game, great powers and personality. But, this time I will go with Cloud, althought I know he is very overrated, I like his character a lot. His limit breaks were awesome!
- Lion heart 17:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC) I think that could would win well....because the he has higher strgh. and def. also he has cool limit breaks such as the one in advent childern final tsurugi that majorly pwns all also cloud can equip materia, unlike zidane who can't equip it so not allowing him to use magic so that can be pretty bad against a warrior that can use magic(black,white...ect.) also the mear fact that cloud is amazing and his story and his personality is 10X more complex than zidans don't get me wrong i like Zidane just not as much as cloud also cloud has way better hair *it defies gravity*
- T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - Whoever said this place was full of haters. Yes, I'm looking at the people in the other column <,<
Anonymous Votes
- cloud !!!!!!!
- Props for Chocobo Head
- I vote for Cloud beacuse he´s much cooler then Zidane, like look at them Cloud is running around with a freaking giant sword that probebly if it where a little realistic could kill someone by just tap that sword against them and then Zidane comes here with his daggers.....thats just annoying. But my point is, Cloud got everything a main character should have. go Cloud!
- Cloud is just Cloud, Screw Zidane and his Trances...Cloud would Murder Zidane like he murdered Sephiroth twice ^o^ w00t GO CLOUD!!!
- Cloud took down Sephiroth not once, twice but three times, without ever being inducted into SOLDIER. He has one of the best swords designed and an interesting backstory, so props to Cloud.
- If theres one thing that annoys me more then cloud, it's anything and EVERYTHING revolving around FFIX. So heres to cloud.
- I don't know about you but Zidane kind of scares me with that picture.
- I'd much rather Cloud won than Zidane, as there is very little that annoys me more than he does.
- Nothing against Zidane (I throughly enjoy him as a character) But I can pull off Cloud in Costume at D*Con more than him. So I choose the one I have dressed up as (Sword and all)
- I found Cloud more interesting.
- Cloud would totaly own Zidane, what with his Omnislash! Hands down Cloud... Sorry Zidane, we still love you, too!
- cloud even though i like zidane...Clouds just Cloud
- Cloud all the way...
- Cloud should totally win because he's awesome. I like Zidane, but Cloud I believe is much cooler. I also believe Cloud win in a battle, because of his strength and his defense.
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Votes for Zidane
- Henryacores^ 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC):Because he's a true hero, and Cloud is a true puppet.
- I like a hero I can relate to. --BlueHighwind 00:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- I flipped a coin and tails came up! (laugh you fools!) --Gamer2127
- Out of the rather poor casting of main male protagonists, Zidane is the diamond in the rough. Plus he equips swallowtails and not boring swords like everyone else, and FFIX > All. 8bit 00:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- I never really liked Cloud. But Zidane was instantly likable. --HighwindAsylum 00:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Jeppo: I like both of them but Zidane just has more personality than Cloud.
- Khakishro: I also like both, buy Zidane struck me more then Cloud. Zidan was the first hero of Final Fantasy I ever controlled, and I like to feel I connection to him out of all the heros of Final Fantasy. Clouds not a bad hero, but I think we can all agree that hes very overrated.
- Cloud wasn't cool until Crisis Core. He was really likable there, acting human and not yet being emo. However, Zidane was cool from the very beginning and is still cooler than Cloud after the VII compilation. Plus, I love IX. - RadLink5
- Squallinoa_08I LOVE ZIDANE!! Cloud has too much glory already!
- Cloud was cool, Zidane was cooler. Drake Clawfang
- Consular Revan Regardless of FFIX being the first FF I played, I found Zidane to be a more likable character. I could relate to him more. Although Cloud isn't horrible, as he was a 'cool' main character, nothing stuck out about him; he was kind of bland with empty emotions...
- Red Ronso: If it will make people forget completely about Cloud JUST FOR ONCE and make them see OTHER people, okay! I was gonna vote for Zidane, anyway.
- Fyrmer: Because Zidane is my favourite main character out of the entires series.
- Kjffwiki: How can i say besides cool?
- Faethinverba volant *Laughs his head off*
- AnonyMan:Not much else to say that that already hasn't been said. Zidane's more likable, alot cooler, more badass, he's basically everything EVERY other FF protagonist wished they could be. He even goes throgh emotional breakdown better than anyone else(it was dramatic but brief with great music)...but that's mainly attributed to the fact "The Most Badass Crew in FF" fixed him back up. Yep, well be lucky if we'll ever see another FF Main as great as he is.
- Rihya - Both are cool, but Zidane is really one of the most kickass main characters in all of Final Fantasy history! He's a Thief, can use some of the greatest daggers ever, has a great Trance mode, and a fuckin' tail! Plus, he manages to stay cool during his 'depression moment', and makes a great comeback after it... And just to finish it, he's an angel of death who kicked the ass of Death itself!!
- I'm not fond of either, but I dont really like Cloud but I also prefer FFVII more than FFIX by a little bit. Still, this is a character fight so I'll vote for the one I hate the less. Maj. H
- Pinoyzidane There's too many reasons to list down why zidane tribal is the better main character. Just too much!! Zidane gets my vote, just one look at my username and you know who i'm voting for! GO ZIDANE!! GO! GO! GO!
- Tedtumbleweed I'm voting for Zidane because Final Fantasy 7 has a tendency to dominate. Cloud and Zidane are both great characters, but a more interesting competition would be Zidane v. Tidus (or maybe Vaan:) ). Cloud should face Squall.
- Karhunkynsi Cloud would just suffocate to Zidanes tail.
- Nomura:They're both good. But I like thieves. Also I associate Zidane with "Run!" and "You're Not Alone!" themes which are my favorites!!!
- Ultima The High Seraph: He has a TAIL. hehe
- Dancing Daggers: Since these guys are so different I can't really compare the two... so I'm just going to say that if I met them down the pub I would probably like Zidane more. (Also, I could start picking apart arguments on the Cloud side but I'll just stick with saying it's all biased and mostly wrong.)
- Alarielle : I've not playd much to IX, but I still go for the angel of death.
- Konira : As a lover of 9 and a non-lover of 7, I have to go with Zidane, he was playful, fune to use, had brilliant weapons and to the bitter end was a couragous hot head. Not to mention, he's got a good heart - I mean ,com on, he put up with Stiener and all his crazy rusty glory ;D
- ArableLadle : Zidane beats Cloud easily! Cloud is annoying moaner compared to Zidane.
- Draga: He has a tail, is a thief and isn't an angsty git......Score!
- I honestly loved Cloud in AC, but Zidane has always been overall better to me. Template:BfDsig
- arcanedude34: Eh. Cloud was a great lead, until AC when he became emo for no reason. Zidane was a good lead even WHEN he was emo (a total of twice throughout the game, if I recall correctly) Plus, Zidane's y favorite FF character, hands down. Therefore, I vote for Zidane.
- Dancin':I shall not allow the douchebag known as Cloud Strife WIN. I don't even know who Zidane is but he has my vote!
- Zidane is just a great guy. Even after all Kuja put him through, he still went back into the Lifa Tree to try and save him. Would Cloud do the same for Sephiroth? I think not. Plus his double-bladed Ultima Weapon beats Cloud's version of the sword anyday! Signed, Dougar
- VitoRyu: Zidane.
- Zidane is awesome. Don't mess with Zidane ScatheMote
- Easy choice. Dark Raven
- 'nuff said... UsmcRave99
- I like funny and upbeat way more than "I compensate for being an idiot by wearing a huge sword". Plus, me luv FFIX. Mangartist
- Pluto. : Zidane has more depth of character, and made a better hero.
- Yumino
- Hyacynth : Zidane is easily my favorite FF lead. He's funny, easy-going, and prone to teenage stupidity ("Ooh! Soft!" and "Do something drastic") without being a total bonehead. He's also incredibly competent, which isn't something you often see in the less "serious" FF leads. He's somewhere between old-school Cloud (none of this AC emo) and Tidus. They just don't write 'em like Zidane anymore.
- Dazuro : Ooh, soft! Zidane hell yeah. :D
- Darkling692 Dazuro is right! Zidane touched Garnet's ass, Cloud touches himself. Zidane all the way
- Goldberry2000: A proper main character, the likes of which have yet to be bested.
- I love Zidane. No contest. Yzz 16:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- Tacochickenwings 01:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Zidane can cop a feel and pee over a cliff. Women approve.
- TheChocobo: Ha Ha Ha Ha. I smile at the beauty of Zidane's domination over the free world. Or at least over Mr. Spikey~. I agree with Hyacynth and Tacochickenwings, they just don't come like Zidane anymore. W-a-r-k.
- Lockhart - I like Cloud. I really do . In fact, he's the second best hero in the series. The problem is that Zidane is the best. Best lead ever.
- Copycatloki :: Poor Cloud, but my vote goes to the Sly Eagle. Out of those two, I like Zidane more.
- CidTheFirst: He's an tenacious optimist, a ladies man and he makes a change from the angsty or clueless leads in some of the other installments.
Anonymous Votes
- Even during Zidane's periods of depression, he makes a bang, and so begins the best scene in the book. Cloud's just.. fanservice.
- Got to say I instantly loved his character. He's so much different than the other protagonist. He’s a thief, uses two daggers sometimes, has an adorable tail, what's not to love? I really love his personality to and he makes me smile. I'll always like Cloud too, but Zidane beats everyone else in my book.
- Zidane is just fantastic along with the game he's from. He'll make a greater representative of what a Final Fantasy hero is.
- Hands down the best protagonist in the series, there's nothing I don't love about him.He has a kickass tail, it social and the complete opposite of emo, and he can do things that Cloud woule never do. I mean, would Cloud ever have the balls to steal a feel at Tifa's ass? I don't think so. Still Zidane's sady going to lose against the endless sea of mindless FVII fanboys.
- Zidane has had more women than Cloud, and got the woman he wanted :) plus he's 16 and did all that too!
- I vote for Zidane, gotta love him.
- I vote Zidane, of course!!
- Firstly, he has a tail. He's like a little monkey. Secondly, he's a nice person. Thirdly, he's a thief, and they're almost always awesome. Fourth, he's in FFIX, my favourite game in the series. Lastly, he is very different to the more famous other heroes and makes a nice change.
- My vote goes to Zidane, sure Cloud is cool on some levels with his Omnislash and being the first FF Protagonist on the Play Station, but I just liked Zidane's character better. Funny, charming and witty, a mite perverted but hey! - Musashi
- Being called "monkey boy" is far better than being called "emo"~ ;P Zidane for the win ♥
- ZIDANE TRIBAL aka ANGEL OF DEATH FOR THE WIN, reasons why. Free Energy = Godhood of Zidane, explained in Rin's Travel Agency! Zidane's Ultima Weapon = Double bladed, Godly & pwns Cloud's pussy-like Ultima Weapon. Final Fantasy IX while underrated = a very good RPG even tho the overrated Final Fantasy VII was good too. Personality = best as a main character from the Final Fantasy series. Being a thief = not the generic swordsman or whatever variation of it each game brings out. The tail = Monkey King Zidane. The pimpin' = he gets Garnet's babelicious ass & Freya's or sometime later in the future steals Beatrix from Steiner & in the end he's not a pussy like the rest of the main characters. He's not emo = he's just a fucking G!
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Peanut Gallery
Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was some kind of regularity in when they fights get made? By this point calling them "weeks" seems like some sort of sad joke. --BlueHighwind 00:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well, if the last fight was made Friday, and this was made Monday, that's 1 week and 3 days, which is less than a week and a half, so technically if we round it's been a week... Okay, I'll shut up now. 8bit 00:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- That's not counting the weeks lost due to TacticAngel forgetting about this place. By now we must have lost a month of time. What do you say? Let's fire his ass! --BlueHighwind 00:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Woot! I'm all for it! Let's light the torches! - Deadlyslashsword
- Hmm. Guy Fawkes' Day tommorrow. Let's light him up then. - Draga
I agree. The fights are getting totally irregular. Why don't we let BlueHighwind do it? BlueLionheart (T/C) 02:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)BlueLionheart
- You guys seem to forget that Our Dearest Admin has, as opposed to most of the users around, a full-time job. Faethinverba volant
- Good for him, I mean it, I'm only working part-time. But if he can't spare the time for the DNC, either as a consequence of his lifestyle or just plaing laziness, I should think he would understand if someone else was appointed to do so. I mean, Blue and I have pretty much been doing that for the last few months, although admittedly Blue's doing more than I am. BTW Blue, was gonna change the fight when I got home, but ya beat me to it. :p Drake Clawfang
- I don't see the point of that reply. I said what I mentioned because BlueH and Deadly Slash Guy up there (although the latter was probably hinting irony) seemed to ignore the fact that there are quite a lot of things in a regular person's life other than the DNC. Faethinverba volant
- I didn't change the fight. This is 8-Bit's doing. I was waiting for TacticAngel (who I can't imagine is anyone's "Dearest Admin" on any level) to come to me again. If he has a job, that's wonderful - for him. But it doesn't do much for getting the fights done on time, does it? --BlueHighwind 13:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see any problem when those who're enthusiastic enough to help maintain this feature does so. I mean, we had a sysop who now chose to be unaffiliated with the wiki, and a bureaucrat who now finds solace in a new wiki and all his time is spent there, both their enthusiasm lost. If they want to handle it, why not? Bluer 17:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- I resent that. All my reply was was complete sarcasm. No bad puns intended - Deadlyslashsword
Man, it's hard to choose which one is better. A pair of daggers and a big sword are really awesome but... -- MTC
I am predicting Zidane will take this one by a pretty large margin. Cloud got blown out by Balthier, and then he got blown out by Zack. I do not think he really has that much strength in the DNC.--Oranejo 03:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
So far none of the votes for Zidane mention his "Angel of Death" aspect. Which is good, because he's got so much awesome piled up that it doesn't add to it...if anything it takes away from it and it's not cool. If only FFIX wasn't one of the most overlooked games in the series. At least FFVIII has attention, even if it is overly negative. AnonyMan 07:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
User:Clvabl: I hate cloud haters.06:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
- Krystal: Yeah, I'm annoyed by Cloud-haters, too. Sure Cloud has his moments, but the desire to protect those he loves makes him a true badass. Much like Auron as a matter of fact.
- Zidane-haters are worse, if they don't hate him because of his awesome look. They usually can't get past seeing him as an annoying bug and fail to notice he's one of the kindest and most heroic character in the series.AnonyMan 22:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- Free bird 05:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC): This is a close one for me. Both of these protagonists have a lot of strenghts and are great heroes. This is one I'll actually have to think about and which game I like better 'cuz both VII and IX are immortal classics!
I find it highly ironic that some votes for Zidane state the 'over-populatity' of Cloud as their reason for voting RedMage
Who in their right mind would let Blue oversee these fights!
I'm not sure where people get off saying that Sephiroth is most powerful villain in the entire franchise. If Noruma or whoever it was said so, it was most likely to sell copies of the VII compilation. You know, it's not like Zidane defeated the true avatar of death, or Terra laid waste to a guy that absorbed the pillars of magic itself... oh wait, nevermind. They did do that. 8bit 23:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- They've just said Sephy is the most powerful being in Final Fantasy VII's world. Which makes him even a worse villain than ever, to have the creators declare him the strongest and for him to keep getting his ass kicked. Drake Clawfang
- Advent Children was garbage, but if Sephiroth won, he'd take over the universe= end of compilation= no more money. And besides Masamune=pwn. CHaosEsperVII
- I think that Drake missed the point. Sephiroth is supposed to be the end-all, superpowered, badass, God so that the player will want to beat him. Which would you rather fight: Some little sub-demon in a cave, or the ultimate power of the universe? --BlueHighwind 01:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- That still doesn't explain why Sephiroth is lauded as the most powerful villain of all time. Of course he's better than Black Waltz and Hidon, but how is he stronger (key word) than Necron or Kefka? "Better" or "more likable" is your opinion, but I don't see where he's especially omnipowerful compared to other Final Bosses. 8bit 02:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- Comparing powers is a waste of time. I'd say that most Final Bosses are equal in their easiness to defeat. Sephiroth's power is the same power as the Joker. His popularity gives him immortality. Necron (who I never saw to be very powerful at all, plot-wise) will stay in his grave forever because nobody likes him. --BlueHighwind 02:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- No, Blue, to borrow one of your phrases: "the contrivances of the plot make Sephiroth immortal". And "end-all, superpowered, badass, God" - except he wasn't the first, third, and fell short of the fourth. As for comparing powers, in the end every Final Fantasy villain dies or otherwise is defeated, so really, none of them are that great. Come to think of it, Golbez, Kuja and Edea are the ones who never died, so they're the best I supposed. Hell, Kuja actually killed the party, so there's your ultimate bad-ass! Drake Clawfang
- Sephiroth never died either. As long as Jenova cells exist, so will Sephiroth. Plus Sephiroth isn't another "I want to destroy everything" antagonist. He wants to be a god and rule over all. And I ask Zidane vote #32, Why would Cloud want to save Sephiroth after all he put him through? ChaosEsperVII
- You're right in a certain way : as cloud deafeates Sephy himself, he won't save him juste after killing him. But Zidane didn't really kill Kuja, so saving him is a way of showing how heroic and kind Zidane is. Oh, and Drake, I think some people saying Sephiroth is the strongest actually mean he's one of the most charismatic, with a personnality which make you hate him. Or somethng like that. I don't know, for me Kuja is a better villain ^^. Alarielle
- Nah, it's more like people proclaim that becuase since AC and afterward everything's way over-the-top and had Sephiroth cleave through buildings, lots of people assume that he's the strongest villain in the series...or in some cases ever. He's the most pathetic villian since he keeps losing to someone who is so far below him. I also agree Kuja's a bett...wait the best villain. AnonyMan 12:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- I can't give credit to Advent Children, but even as a human, Sephiroth was strong. In Crisis Core he was cleaving buildings in half. And when his body died, his will overpowered Jenova's instinct. And if he was able to stop Holy by himself, you gotta give him credit. I'm not saying he may be the strongest villain, but I'll say again FFVII's power curve is higher than any other when you have guys that could jump hundreds of feet in the air, an immortal, guy who fights an entire army etc. etc. And besides time and time again, Sephiroth's weakness is his arrogance, and the full extent of his power hasn't been shown yet. ChaosEsperVII
- Yeah, he's done some big feats. None of the other FF's really have that visual direction that they've given VII(even It wasn't always like that). Only thing close to doing it is Dissidia. Most FFGame verses are one the same level as VII's power curve like VI, and VIII. If any other FF got as much attention they'd be throwing buildings around too. AnonyMan 17:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- I see where you guys are going but think about it, Kuja, Kefka, Exdeath, Golbez, all of them, they only had one time to prove themselves the greatest and how many games was Sephiroth in? I will admit, he's got something going for him but I ddon't see how he's the greatsest, I personally think Kefka holds that cup - maybe even Kuja and Necron, and what of Zeromus? Popularity shouldn;t determine who is best. Konira
- What Sesshiroth has going for him are blind fanboys who got their FF cherries popped on the PlayStation and praise him like the God he thinks he is. Like it says in the rant of my userpage, somehow he's managed to ride his own coattails for the past ten years. Enough is enough. Drake Clawfang
- All I'm saying is that Sephiroth still hasn't shown us everything, whereas Zeromus or Exdeath or Chaos has. I'm not saying he's stronger than them because they are basically gods and he was almost one. I'm just pointing out that we currently cannot gauge his power. And damn the fanboys, I like everything in 7 because it revolutionized RPGs and I felt that it was the best game I've ever played. I agree with IGN in that it suffers now from overexposure. The 7th Chaos Esper only puts out the facts. ChaosEsperVII
- Not to continue this further.I think that "true power unknown" proclamation is pure BS, and was just made so SE doesn't upset blind die-hard fans from thinking that Sephiroth isn't the end-all-be-all villain. AnonyMan 01:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- Probably true, but we can only see in the next sequel. And I don't think Dissidia would be a reliable scale. They're going to make everyone the same strength to balance the game. I mean, I like Squall and all, but SOLDIER>SeeD.ChaosEsperVII
- Don't shortchange VIII just yet, SeeDs just as revered as SOLDIER was. They basically have their equivalent of Mako and J-Cells with GFs and Junction(just alot more user-friendly). Squall going up against Sephiroth in that trailer is not far-fetched as all, more like fianlly giving him his dues. AnonyMan 12:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- Squall's always had his dues. His problem was that he had a tough act to follow. Come on now, how was Squall suppossed to compete with one of the best (and I use that word with a grain of salt) RPGs ever? - Deadlyslashsword
- Don't get me wrong, SeeD is good, but SOLDIER has J-Cells plus mako plus materia on top of that. And I agree, people hate FF8 because they thought it would live up to FF7. Oh but I do hate Ultimecia. ChaosEsperVII
Sephiroth isn't the strongest FF villain, but he isn't the weakest either. He surpassed death, merged with Jenova, absorbed the Black Materia, is even stronger than the Weapons, and can fight with the party while summoning Meteor and holding back Holy.
He deserves some credit.
- You are right, he's not weak, but he's human. Genetically modified, but human. He survived death ? Chaos, Emperor Mateus, Xande (stopping time), Exdeath, even Yu Yevon have done that. Notice I chose some ridiculous villains such as Xande and Yu Yevon to prove you it's no reason to think he's stronger… Merged with Jenova ? Emperor becomes Emperor of Hell just after dying, while it took Sephy many years to manipulate his mom. For the rest, there doesn't exist many comparison, but you see what I mean : few villains have done something the others haven't. I don't want to find out the strongest villain, I think it's stupid to compare people coming out from different worlds with different rules. Alarielle
- It didnt take him many years to manipulate Jenova. He found out, burned Nibelheim, decapitated her, fell into lifestream, then took her over. All in a fews days hard work.... Or not. And being human doesn't mean anything, many of FF's humans are incredibly powerful. ChaosEsperVII
I agree with Alarielle but for the 7 haters Sephiroth let Cloud win in AC.In he > than Kuja.& Cloud will in a real fight. User:Clvabl
- There's only two options - Sephiroth took control of Jenova right away and sat on his ass for five years before using her to look for the Black Materia, or it took him five years to take control of her. Jenova was the real villain of the game. Sephiroth controlled Jenova, just as Zemus controlled Golbez and Ultimecia controlled Edea. And just like Zemus and Ultimecia, Sephiroth sat on his ass letting his avatar do the work for him while he napped in his crystal. Very lame. Drake Clawfang
- Jenova wasn't the real villain, just like Edea (though I wished she was). Jenova and Sephiroth are basically one. ChaosEsperVII
NO Jenove was the main villain she brain wash Sephiroth when he went crazy.
Clvabl
- Agreed with drake. If he overthrew Jenova in a few days, I want to know why he wait for Cloud's team to be set up to start destroying the game. And if Jenova, The Calamity fallen from the skies (or something like that - I don't know English name), is not a real villain, tell me what she is. Yet you're right saying she's not FFVII main villain, because she's kind of asleep. And that is WORSE about Sephy : he took 5 years to control something almost dead. And, no, she didn't brain wash Sephy... Alarielle PS : I want to remember people that, for me, Sephy is FF's second best main villain after Kuja (look my userpage), so I don't criticize him because I don't like him.
- Well, taking 5 years to control Jenova can not really be a knock against Sephiroth, considering no one else in the VII universe is able to do it. =P --Oranejo 18:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
- Amen... Jenova is the villain in the sense that her viral instincts want to infect the planet and destroy all life. However, Sephiroth's will overcomes Jenova's instincts and uses them for his own personal agenda. The whole point of the game is to stop Sephiroth and Meteor, killing Jenova is just a bonus. Therefore, Sephiroth is the main villain. Actually, Hojo is because he's directly responsible for all the wrong within the Compilation, but thats a story for another day...Or never. ChaosEsperVII
- That's actually true about Hojo. I follow the stench of evil back to the first carrier. Sephiroth is an insane SOLDIER who wants to be a God. He is the son of, and experiment, of Hojo. Hojo in turn did these experiments that jeopardized the planet using Jenova's cells. Without Jenova, Hojo's evil would likely not have been so consequential. Plus, Jenova killed off the Ancients, and it was to fight her that the Weapons were created, and she created the Northern Crater where Sephiroth went to use Meteor. One way or the other, Jenova directly or indirectly caused all the problems the planet faced. Drake Clawfang
Sephiroth isn't human anymore. He merged with Jenova, becoming one with her. The Compilation Ultimania states that "Sephiroth synthesized with Jenova to complete his revival", and this quote is about the real Sephiroth, the one at the Northern Crater, and at the core of the planet. Not to mention that he is using Jenova cells and corrupted Mako(Kadaj) to form his body, in AC
He is far from human.
- True in the later parts of the story. But in Crisis Core, for instance, he is human with Jenova's cells. But he's more human than Genesis or Angeal. Actually, many FF villains are huma and want to/do become gods or something like that. I just want to show he's not particularly strong or special. Alarielle
In Crisis Core(and Before Crisis) Sephiroth wasn't a full Jenova-being, because he hadn't fully merged with Jenova yet, but he wasn't 100% human. Pre-Nibel Sephiroth was a hybrid. When his body and cells were being formed(in the womb of Lucrecia) he was injected with J-cells, and because of that, his celular structure changed. As an adult, Jenova was already part of his DNA, and that's why Genesis wanted his cells, when Genesis couldn't find J-cells. Because S-cells and J-cells are very similar.
Then Sephiroth fell in the Lifestream, learned how to control the J-cells, and used the Reunion to get the Black Materia, AND synthesize with the rest of the J-cells, becoming a full Jenova-being.
Well, my point is... Sephiroth was never human.
And each FF villain is strong and special in their own way.
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