Votes for Black Mage
- METEOR!!! JudgeZarbi
- Though I've probably voted for the White Mage before, I'm going with Black Magic this time. True, the WM can keep the party healthy, but if you can nuke everything before it becomes a threat who needs healing? Sometimes the best defense is a good offense, in this case explosive light show offense. And the BLMs have good representatives, like Montblanc and the ever popular Vivi. AnonyMan
- Because Black Mages are awesome. Gamer2127
- Duh (That's 3 in a row now). --SCM 00:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- Black mages like Vivi and Lulu are so gonna own those weaklings! Squallinoa 08 01:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- Who needs defense when you can squash the enemy in a few seconds?! DVardonir 01:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- Just because you can heal with items, WHM is not "Needed" - Materiasdraw
- See username. Black Mages have two distinct areas of advantage over White Mages: First, their ability to take advantage of elemental weaknesses or blast away foes with non-elemental spells like Flare. Second, Drain and Osmose means BMs can become self-restoring Energizer Bunnies. Doesn't help other party members, equip an elemental absorbing armor if you want to complain :P Also, there is Vivi. 8bit 01:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- Oranejo 02:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- I really like both Black and White mages, and every time I can I have at least one of each in my party, but Black Mages are way funnier to play with! Healing might be useful, and at some times necessary, but it's boring as hell! Plus, when it comes to representatives to each class I'd easily choose Rydia, Palom, Vivi, Lulu and Doga over Rosa, Porom, Eiko, Yuna and Aria... - Rihya
- Deadlyslashsword: White mages are convienient, but I beat FF1 without one, I beat FF5 without one...plus blowing shit up (Meteor, Ultima) is a huge bonus for me.
- Gyromite: Black Mage can Duelcast Ultima while White Mage tries to cast Cure on itself. Basiclly, without help, White Mages are useless. (well, more useless in some cases...)
- Vito:Black Mages.
- Aleria
- Adam Mcduck: I prefer destruction to resurrection.
- Chocobo Knight: I like them both, so the decision is made on some of the cool Black Mages there are!
- i'll vote for the black mages, since my fave characters are vivi, lulu and edea. black mage can just cast death for an easy win. Fonzyboi
- PeanutLord 18:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC) Vivi and Montblanc >>> all.
- Black Mage, hands down. Sometimes the best defense is a powerful offense. --Tex HOWDY!!! 18:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- RogueTomato I gotta vote for the black mage on this one. Some of their spells are deadly.
- Sanctiel NUKE!
- User:UndyingvsSephiroth looks better, underrated, and underused thanks to the creator's overly high magic defense statistic. So my vote goes to Black Mage
- Krystal: Time to teach you a thing or two about Black Magic!
- arcanedude34: Black Mages are infinitely cooler then White Mages. Google search "cowboy Black Mage", click on the first image and you'll see what I mean. ; )
- Super Sephiroth: Rain down some Meteor, blow everything apart with Flare, use the four elements, and FFT's Arithmeticks just make the Black mage to awesome. Loook:Vivi, Palom, Lulu...
- Vanishing Star This is for you, Rydia! :D .
- Gwythinn BM by a mile. Black spells do all the damage and IIRC BM's weapons did more hand-to-hand damage as well (in FF1). All BM has to do is get WM on the defensive once and he owns the rest of the battle. When WM runs out of MP, it's curtains for her, whether by spell or by blade.
- Vitor - Oh, I completely understand the White Mage's usefulness. My current decision, however, is based on style.
- BlueLionheart - Quake, Meteor, Flare and Ultima.
- BornfromDarkness 20:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC): Nuke! >D
- Rydiaofmist I don't really think one is better than the other. I just find black mages more fun to use.
- We've already had this --Maverick King 00:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- BritBoy: Black Mages are cooler
- Draga: Gotta love the hat. A cool hat is power. Black Mages have cool hats. Therefore they have power.
- Golden Monkey: There is no theory of evolution, just an list of animals Black Mages allow to live. Plus, Vivi-AKA Awesome Incarnate-was an Black Mage.
- Twilight_rain:Well, I've got a thing for ice, so I must say Blizzaga owns Holy and healing magic. Besides, a strong Black Mage can wipe out the enemy party before they get a chance to attack you.
- OwlEye: It's Stabbity Time OwlEye 20:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- Pylraster: It's like a guy with a rocket launcher vs. a doctor that can heal extremely fast. Black Magic can solve any problem. Giant door in the way? Blow that shit up with Flare. Giant army of soldiers stronger than you? Blow that shit away with Scathe. Giant monster threatening to end the world? Blow that shit to pieces with Meteor. Mysterious arcane villian threatening to end your life? Blow that shit to oblivion with Ultima. An annoying monster in the way of your mission? Burn, Freeze, Shock, Drown, Destroy, Suffocate, Crush, Sicken or Maim that shit with Fire/Ice/Lightning/Water/Earth/ Wind/Gravity/Poison/Dark magic. And don't forget Osmose! The Black Mage can render a White Mage useless with a couple of Osmose spells.
- 3155: Hmmm... Giant Hammer o' Doom, or Hadoken??? HADOKEN!!!
- Does everyone forget that dispel is a black magic spell? The black mage can simply dispel the reflect while using doublecast then cast its most powerful spell and death. Phade Paradox 12:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- Skoot85:I think we are all forgetting this is a massively awesome popularity contest and with that being said black mages are cool.
- This is reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllyyyyy close right now, but if black mages win by even one point, it counts to me. ChocoboRider
- Jammi568: Don't you ever wonder what's under that hat?
- One word can solve this debate. HADOKAN! The Black Mage
- Terra_Homing Who needs healing when you can just use ultima and destroy enemies?!
- I realy like black mages a lot so this is easy decision ArableLadle
Anonymous Votes
- Could just be me, but I feel white mages are killed way to easily. The only thing that can save them is learning black magic or getting a summon! [Seymour would like to say that most Summoners were White Mages..]
- This decision is too easy for me. I think that black mage is the best class ever! Black mages for the victory!
- Black mages win because they can get away with the excuse that "that orphanage attacked me!" and mean it in their point of view.
- Black mages and white mages were equal once before... I would have gone to white mages for protect, haste, slow, curaja and all that cool white magic... except now that green and time mages exist, the white mage impact is greatly severed. Other mages like arcane and blue only add to offense, they do not take much away from what was rightfully black magic (other than death and drain... not much of a loss since flare is there + scathe etc)
- Pyntie-hets are amazing!
- Why heal something when you can burn its face off? RedMage
- If black magic good enough for Bahamut (Mega-Flare) its good enough for me.
- in response to white mage vote #10, we'll just use flare before you get a change to silence us. even if you use a phoenix down, you'll just be killed again.
- I respect white mages and this was definitely a hard decision for me to make, but I prefer destruction to peace, so I'll have to go with the black mage.
- some white mage guys mention silence and berserk but those are green magics not white, and i hardly ever use a white mage and have never actualy needed one
- Black is my favorrite color. And Black mages are awesome~!
- Ultima is awesome. And the Black Mages look cuter then their counterparts.
- Of course Black Mages! Ultima, Flare...Thunder, Fire, Blizzard...they have a lot of spells for your killing needs.
- I'd say it's pretty obvious, all white mages can do is protect themselves and cast one or two offensive spells in a feeble attempt to not die.
- Dang this is a hard choice. On one hand the White Mages have healing abilities while Black Mages have attacks... But me being the violent person I am is going to have to go with the Black Mages.
- Black mages have all these offensive techniques and the only offensive technique a white mage has now is Holy.
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Votes for White Mage
- Lockhart - First in for the White Mage! Woo! I'm always a fan of some good healing.
- Drake Clawfang Ah, my darling Rydia is a black mage, but I must side my vote with the lovely Aeris on this fight. Simply put, there's plenty of ways, including magic, to inflict pain and suffering on enemies - but there are not so many ways to keep your party alive, and while the Black Mage contends with Blue Magic, Summon Magic, and all the offensive attackers for the role of damage dealer, no one is a damage healer like the White Mage.
- Henryacores:Mandatory if you play FF. Cure is necessary to finish II. No Curaja, and Cloud of Darkness will kill you. Rosa can doo wonders with both arrow and tongue. Holy is useful in V. Life 3! Again, Holy saves the day! Curaga is good for HP.Junctioning in the beginning of the game...Two White Mages: Twice the fun! And who could forget our "dear" High Summoner? White Mages own!
- Yumino~: White mages are best~!
- Real Genius. If you're not going to heal, you will lose, so why are you playing in the first place? And you can't just NUKE (Flare) every enemy before they take a turn. The only final boss you can do that with is Yu Yevon, and no-one cares about Yu Yevon. And you can't do that with Omega Weapon either unless you're in FFX. And Holy is as good as Flare anyway.
- dudutsai: Black mage can't heal himself while White mage can't kill.... OH WAIT YES SHE CAN!! Plus holy is on par with flare, so in terms of usefulness I'd always go WM
- Maj.H: Despite the fact I hate mages, I have to say white mages saved my life loads of times, while black mages just wastes my ether while I can deal more damage as a monk...
- P.M.: I don not need to explain in detail why the Whitew Mage is my perferable choice. Sure the Black Mage has heavy supporters, but as everyone here has said and will say, Black Mages can not win battles alone, whereas the White Mage can, even though not as thourough. I must say I will support the White Mage without question, as I am a White Mage myself.
- Tell me what job class I am ^_-. You can live without Black Mages. No White Mages and you're dead meat. -- YuanchosaanSalutations! 02:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- Seymour2012: White Mages can reflect Black Magic; we shouldn't forget to point out...
- Master Conjurer: I'm personally a fan of summoners, but when it comes down to just white vs. black, I side with Yuna.
- RowdyCMoore Black mages blow things up. White mages are caring healers. Black mages have the Orko lookalike and a goth chick. White Mages have Rosa, Aeris and Yuna
- I have to go with White Mage here. Not only do they have among the best healing and support, they have Holy. With one of the best offensive spells out there, how can you go wrong? Deoxyribose
- Ameria Not going to far without a Healer. <3 the White Mages.
- Faethinverba volant : Because Ultima, Meteor, Flare and whatever are put down with a single Curaja. Also, Minwu ftw! Minwu is more badass than any Black Mage.
- I like Black Magic as much as the next guy but White magic has holy and holy is great. Suck ass Flare. Ultima The High Seraph
- Firionklauser Can't live without 'em
- Acropolis Vivi's team doesn't deserve another win...
- The A-Man Both are good -- but the amount of times i have saved my ass with Curaja, Esuna, Full-Life, Holy, and the rest are uncountable -- even though black mages look better, i'd rather be a white mage any day.
- ChiefKakashi: White mages are always useful. Black mages...not as often.
- Tactical Troubadour I'll take one Curaga over any overpowered Meteor/Flare/Ultima any day!
- SilverMage Black mages are cool and everything, but white mages are just more important. I don't care how powerful you are, you can't use those spells if you're dead.
- XiaTheFatalWhispher 01:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC) I love white mages! Black magic gets less useful later on anyways.
- Tragedian I'd love to be able to heal wounds, smash someone's face in with a hammer, and then blast them away with Holy.
- User:Zephyrus11 A White mage can undo a whole lot more than a single black mage can do. Plus Holy > Flare.
- Sora G. Strife 08:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC) Help, don't harm. -personal philosophy
- Otens: I am a White mage or priest, so yeah naturally I'll vote for them. Also holy.
- UM: Black Magic is just a waste of time (FFT) or MP (the rest of the series).
- Blykus: While a Black Mage is always a valuable asset, there are numerous other jobs that offer heavy damage. White Mage keeps my party alive against the damage they take, which is more important to me.
- Bartz235: White Mages have Rosa, Porom, Aeris, Garnet, Yuna.
- AvaGirl10Roses: White mages are more crucial to a party than a black mage...
- Pablo618: because the votes on the BM side are baseless, a WM and a BM are useless without the other one
- HighSummoner: I find it incredibly annoying to heal with potions, so a white mage is a must in my party. For this, I'm voting this side.
- The King of the Loveless: I have always loved white mages thewy are way more useful than Black mages.
- Alan120691:If it wasn't for my white mage (well, devout really), I never would of made it through III's final level.
- Sinh
- Vermandois: I can't tell you how many time my WM has saved my ass. Besides, black mages waste all their mp with just 3-4 Ultima/Flare, and you could cast Curaja 12-15 times with the same mp. White Mages for the win.
- Fuzzy: A well-placed Reflect spell would end this battle.
- Copus: Holy ftw, white is always more useful on the whole.
- Dancing Daggers: Okay, I can't think of any specific time when I actually needed a black mage, so I'm going to say that White Mages are far more useful, especially in FFTA where they just rule. I can also make some obscure connection to the Holy Paladins, and how they are all really cool with that honour/chivalry/protecting people and shit. Holy > everything else.
- Cloudofdarkness ^_^: You NEED a white mage in a game, where as the Black mage isn't needed (but certainly appreciated). Just try beating a game with out white magic, it's impossible.
- Vestas - I gotta give the love to the White Mages. They keep us running and fighting link no one else can. Without one, the party is not going to make it far. Plus, Bonus for access to spells like Dia and Holy!
- <singing> Because Yuan Told me to </singing> Hexed
- Anastasia12I'm always a healing fan! white magic FTW this also the first I vote :)Anastasia12
- Summonerluna: White mages of course! They can heal, shell, esuna, reflect, and in Yuna's case completely nullify elemental magic, and STILL kick butt with Holy...Plus if white mage goes down then everyone is in trouble, but if black mage goes down...well we all know who is going to bring him back! <3
- Otherarrow: It is better to heal than to hurt...
- Maverick Riot: I really love the outfits of both, but technically, the Devout class, and anything with cat ears, tends to be related to the White Magic class. And that sways it for me. Plus, white magic is usually consistently more useful in battle. You can live without Black Magic much easier than without White Magic. Plus White dabbles in offensive spells too; Black Magic is limited more to Drain and Osmose. If they perhaps designed a Black Mage design with some cat ears I would have taken the other side...? :P
Anonymous Votes
- I think White Mages are better. True, Black Mages have the most damaging spells like Meteor, Flare, or Ultima, and can use Drain and Osmose to sustain themselves. But the White Mages can help everyone with Curaga, Shell, Protect, and Reflect; and have a few spells to attack, like Holy, not to mention that their healing spells can hurt the undead. And Life3/Rearise/Auto-life is a blessing considering what it does. While I consider both of them usefull, I think the White Mages are more important to have than Black Mages.
- initially white mages had considerably high hp only second to the warrior in the first game and ultima was white magic, plus they have holy under in their belt too! much more helpful and the better of the mages. and they have the hammer which is brilliant!
- White Mages are so under-valued. Sure, they're no help defeating a major boss, but they keep you alive so that you can finish it off. I've been spared the words "Game Over" many-a-time thanks to this job class.
- their outfit is damn iconic! i want a white hood with red trims please! plus their magic saves the day everyday :)
- what can a white mage not do? sure they may not be as offensive but they still have Holy which is awesome and saves the day in FF7 (although it sucks you cant actually use it in gameplay :/) Alas, they've got style and some white mages enjoy summoning capabilities; cant argue with that
- Oh wow! What can you not love about the white mage, dont go on to me about their style when hello! White robe with red trim? And have you seen some of the white mages outfits, Aeris and little pink dress... Dagger and her orange jumpsuit and Yuna and that ... very nice dress of hers. Lulu may pwn them all with the death glare but purple lipstick is always a no-no
- come on this is a no brainer! you're going to be using healing magic so much more than any black magic it usually takes forever to get any that are actually worth using whereas you can reflect the black magic and enjoy the bathing glow of white magic saving your ass.
- White Mages. At first, I didn't realize it, but White Mages can block almost all of a Black Mages spells with Reflect. If a White Mage can get a Reflect off before a Black Mage can cast Flare, the Black Mage is doomed. Besides that, they are capable of both healing and attacking(with Holy). Although I suppose that if Drain doesn't reflect, a Black Mage could win, Drain reflected in the last game I checked.
- Well, if the White Mage casts Bersek on the Black Mage, the Black Mage looses, it can only physically attack, while the White Mage can still use magic. That eliminates even the Osmose threat.
- Ten words: "White Mages can Silence the Black Mages making spellcasting impossible!" Lets see how the Black Mage fans figure this one out (Even by Echo Screens they are just going to be Silenced again).
- White Mages are more useful.
- dispel is white magic so nyah!!! ultima was originally a white magic spell (remember ff2 minwu!) so double nyah!
- Healing ftw!
- Cant beat something that uses a hammer for killing
- Healing, Auto-life, Curaga, Shell, Protect, Reflect, and especially Holy! Long live white mages! P.S. Let's use silence! And summons! *summons the Magus Sisters* =)
- For Aeris ;-(
- White Mages FTW. Healing is pwnsome, plus all those status ailments they can cast combined with healing makes you invicible! Besides, they're SO CUTE! Aerith+magic stick=your fuking death.
- porom:-( why ffiv ds no party switching
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Peanut Gallery
I am actually having real trouble choosing who to vote for. I love them both. Any suggestions? Convince me. --BlueHighwind 23:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
- If we're using "ebony and ivory", why are we using blue and red for the vote sections? Drake Clawfang
- Because a completely grey fight box depresses me. Color is nice. Also, if you look closely, you'll notice that Black Mages wear blue robes and White Mages have red trim. --BlueHighwind 23:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
- Then try this out. Drake Clawfang
- Too much color. Look man, I spent almost a half hour hunting through a gigantic HTML color chart to find exactly the right hues and shades of grey to use. I like it the way it is. --BlueHighwind 23:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
- Grey? What grey, I see no grey in your designs. Drake Clawfang
- Look, I made the design, I want it to stay the way it is. Black, white. I'm trying to fix it, but I get a EDIT CONFLICT every time. --BlueHighwind 23:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Ironic! Our dear runaway holds the first call! How strange! =D - Henryacores 23:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
- Well to be honest, with black and white for the image boxes, and blue and pink for the vote columns, the design looks stupid. Drake Clawfang
- It looked a lot better until two lines were added to the intro, but I figured I should allow some compromise. I'm diet TacticAngel, just as bad, but in a nice light can. --BlueHighwind 23:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
- Oh you're right, without those two lines the entire color scheme looks gorgeous! @_@ Drake Clawfang
Woo, my fight was chosen. I didn't even notice. When was this made anyway? Oh...today...ok then. --Gamer2127 00:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- Seymour2012Someone dye the Black Mage's hands black, that's bothering me.
When I think of white mages, I think of women who care and heal others. Can you say "Nurse Fantasy?" RowdyCMoore
- Oddly, I almost always make my White Mages men whenever there is a Job System. Arc was a White Mage, Galuf was a White Mage, I even twisted Firion around to be proficient in "Cure" Magic. And my Black Mages are almost entirely women: Refia, Lenna, Rydia, Maria, Leila, Katrina (Generic from FFT), and Lulu. Vivi and Palom is the only exception. --BlueHighwind 12:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- It's the exact same for me, up to making Firion have high levels of Cure. And, also, as a fan of Santana, I've this personal rule that, whenever I can help it, my Black Mages are always women too. Faethinverba volant
Master Conjurer: Can I vote red?
Rocking Chair: Red Mages are useless you just get a White and Black Mage. Im struggling to pick here.
- Deadlyslashsword: Red Mages are not useless; they've helped me out loads of times when and because I didn't feel like having or couldn't fit both a Black Mage and a White Mage in my party.
- Master Conjurer: With that I agree. My FFI party was four Red Mages.
Rocking Chair: Red mages are versatile and useful at the beginning of the game but they are uselss when you have
a Black and White Mage in your party. There is no room for them
in your team. The only way i can see them possibly being used is if you get rid of either your thief or your monk but they are better than a Red Mage
- Deadlyslashsword: In FF1, I had a thief and and a monk and a red mage (the 4th being a knight) and I was just fine. Actually, without my red mage, I would not have been able to beat Chaos.
- Alan120691: The only really useful red mage I can think of in the series is in tactics advance when you have to use that job to learn dualcast. I will say though, I like the red mage art design better than the others.
- Deoxyribose: They teach that ability in FFV as well, though it costs OVER 9000--er, 999 AP. Of course, during that time, you actually have to use a Red Mage, and they have mediocre stats. Anyway, close fight.
- Deadlyslashsword: Can't we just call it dead heat?
- As of 23:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC), they are dead even, 46 to 46. 8bit
- As of 17:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC), they are still dead even, at 47.5 to 47.5. --ChiefKakashi 17:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Anonymous - This brings back great memories of 8-bit theatre... White Mage pwned BM.
BornfromDarkness 20:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC): This might just be my browser, but the BM section is twice the size it's supposed to be, and it squishes WM's section. :/
- No, blame Pyralaster. Also, a few people put User votes in the anonymous section. That means I have to check if somebody is being stupid (in which case their vote gets deleted), or being very stupid by cheating. --BlueHighwind 20:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Dancing Daggers: erm, how many FF games has Black Mage annonymous no.10 actually played?
- Master Conjurer: It sounds like they've only played FFXII. As far as I'm concerned, most things split to either black or white. It's been that way for a long time. I have never heard of anybody claiming to be a green mage.
It's a close race so far, but can someone pull it out in the final leg? --Gamer2127 01:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
As of 7:35 US Central, it appears that this one is looking like a draw by way of the "10% rule," folks. I think it's only fitting but it's your call, TA. --Tex HOWDY!!! 00:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
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