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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because user and anonymous votes carry different weight. Votes put in the wrong section will be deleted. Users who do not log in when they vote will be considered anonymous IPs, and their votes also will be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the previous fight's votes will be totaled and its winner decided. Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less.

Week 80: Seifer v. Kadaj

Ff8-seifer2
Winner!!
undecided
KadajHead
Misc. misguided male youth, go! Long coats, unorthodox swords, and a grudge with the heroes, these two comes from two installments of the Final Fantasy franchise that have a true love-hate relationship with the fandom. But in a fight, who can beat who?

Votes for Seifer Almasy

  1. Gyromite This, is Seifer, people. The guy killed Odin with a single slash! Kuja and Sephiroths 2-year old child cant match up to that!
  2. Gotta support the guy who killed Odin on this one. --SCM
  3. By far the best temporary character you get (including Beatrix). It's a shame really that he was just that - temporary. Adam Mcduck
  4. Seifer is a Gambler. JudgeZarbi
  5. Seifer is pretty entertaining, even cooler by the games end. He's obviously very strong the fact he's taken on Squall and his cohorts(most of whom happen to be SeeD) and probably other kinds of opposition by himself says somthing. He even survived through the game's story. Nothing can keep him down. --AnonyMan 11:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  6. Dancing Daggers Since Kadaj is little more than Square Enix's lame-ass spinoff money-turning bitch, i've gotta vote for a character who is worthy of being in Final Fantasy.
  7. PietroFF: Seifer is not as good as Sephiroth, but it's been always great. In addition, I hate Kadaj and his goddamn reunion.
  8. Lockhart: Kadaj is a chickenwuss.
  9. He sucks less. Dark Raven
  10. Tex HOWDY!!! 18:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. He calls Zell a "chicken wuss" and brings a comedy twist to an otherwise boring first disc. And Kadaj acts like a child, at least Seifer is trying to be more adult
  2. Let's see, a delusional blond guy, trying to be a "knight" or that other guy. *blinks* Not really a tough choice.
  3. It looks like Seifer is wearing eyeliner in that picture but kadaj is much more of a girl so seifer wins - just.

Votes for Kadaj

  1. I think both these guys were good villains and are under-appreciated. That in mind, this is Kadaj's introductory match to the Colosseum. So a congratulatory vote from me. Drake Clawfang
  2. He was a really good villain,too bad he was Advent Children and we didn't get time to hate him like Sephiroth.Zack2222
  3. BlueHighwind: Just consider this my hatred of FFVIII talking. But I will vote for Kadaj because he seems to be somewhat intelligent. Seifer, on the other hand, uses such terms as "chicken wuss".
  4. Ultimateria: BH, you have opened my eyes to logic.
  5. Advent Children wasn't half bad, even if I did watch it through Youtube ^^ Kadaj was better than his two "siblings", I'll give him that. He did summon Bahamut SIN, after all. 8bit 15:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
  6. BfD: I'm just one of those weirdos who really liked Kadaj.
  7. ChiefKakashi 17:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Never played FF8 so I pick kadaj
  2. People say Tidus is whiny, but is think Seifer is WAY more like a child. Heck, I even like FF8 - all of it, except for Seifer (oh, and the later Triple Triad rules lol).
  3. Kadaj had the much better voice actor. All Hail Steve Staley: Neji, Fayt, Kadaj, and all manner of awesome characters.
  4. Kadaj is teh smex.

Peanut Gallery

Two votes for Seifer and I already see the pattern of votes for him...Seifer may have killed Odin, but then he got whipped by Gilgamesh! Just reminding you of that. Drake Clawfang

That just proves how awesome Gilgamesh is. --SCM 06:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Hm...Gilgamesh beats Seifer, who beat Odin. Gilgamesh was beaten by Galuf, who was killed by Exdeath, who was beaten by Bartz....interesting transitive properties you've shown. Drake Clawfang
Gilgamesh is too awesome to be beaten, thats why the space-time rift balanced his awesomeness by having ExDeath destroy Galuf for beating him. Gyromite
BARTZ is more awesome than Gilgamesh! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! --SCM 08:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Galuf is more awesome than Batrz who is more awesome than Gilgamesh who is more Awesome than FFXII's cast who beat him as well. If anything Gilgamesh is inconsistent. --AnonyMan 11:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It sucks Kingdom Hearts ruined Seifer; where's his rivalry with Squall, it would've been cool. --AnonyMan 12:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

His rivalry still exists, just not with Squall. JudgeZarbi

Huh, TacticAngel actually bothered to make a fight this week. I kinda hoping he had moved on to other things. Well, whatever, I can't hide my disappointment. Anyway, how do you pronounce "Seifer". I've always been a "SIGHfer" kind of guy, but I often hear "SEEfer", which just sounds idiotic. --BlueHighwind 12:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts II says it's "SIGHfer", therefore it's "SIGHfer". JudgeZarbi
So... do I vote for Seifer 'cause of the Badass Longcoat and cool weapon or for Kadaj 'cause he has a great Evil Laugh and is connected to Sephy? OtOcon^_- 14:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to point out Kadaj more or less has the coat and weapon as well... Drake Clawfang

Week 79: Celes Chere vs Beatrix

Winner!!
Celes
40½ to 31
Benevolent and traitorous at the same time, these white-clad maidens of mayhen turned on their masters and joined the heroes, and some might say stole the show from them too. Can the Paladin of Alexandria cut Celes down to size, or will the General of Vector freeze Beatrix in her tracks?

Votes for Celes

  1. Nothing against Beatrix, she's awesome, but I only played up to disk 1. I know and like Celes better. Plus, given our recent roles in the DNC, it just seems fitting that my vote oppose BlueHighwind's :p. Drake Clawfang
  2. Pablo618:Celes is awesome, Runic was cool
  3. Leon5550:At least she doesnt hav 1 eye and she comes frm a beter game.
  4. Henryacores: She is both a general and an opera floozy.
  5. Better character development, can actually, GASP, use her in battle, and an all around better character than Beatrix CoD ^_^
  6. Firebert:Definitely the precursor to Beatrix. And come on, she's flipping infused with magic!
  7. Sora G. Strife Hm.
  8. RowdyCMoore I know at least one fansite voted Celes the greatest FF character EVER. And I have to agree.
  9. Hyacynth Why do you keep pitting my two favorite games in the franchise against each other. Despite the fact that Celes is my favorite FF character PERIOD, this is STILL a hard choice because man. BEATRIX. She is an incredibly awesome character. I'm giving Celes my vote, though, for the Opera Scene. One of my favorite moments in gaming, I love that music, and I love her story.
  10. Dancing Daggers Same, I love VI and IX as well. And in the end it has to be Celes, I don't know why. Guess she's just cooler. Also Beatrix has an eyepatch, and that soesn't really work unless you're a pirate. Or Blank, who is awesome.
  11. Lancet00 God this is hard. I love them both! But FF 6 Still remains to be the best FF of the series, so my vote has to go to Celes. She was always in my party throughout the game, and I love her sprites too. She just kicks ass!
  12. Firionklauser Part of my final party in VI. Unfortunately, i have yet to play IX, so my vote is biased
  13. Chaltier:Celes should win this one considering she lost to Terra for main character of FFVI.Celes is a great main character rather than Terra and not a guest character like Beatrix.
  14. Adam Mcduck: Celes because, although Beatrix is cooler, she is permantly playable.
  15. BfD: Really hard to choose though... -19:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
  16. Zack fair 007 yeah imma choose Celes cause she has a chance at being in dissidia, second to Terra. plus, ff6 pwns ff9
  17. Yumino: Isn't the power of magic a lovely gift~?
  18. Ameria: Bextrix is Awesome and has a better theme song, but I can't vote against Celes. <3
  19. SilverMage: I can't vote for both of them? Aw, christ. Celes wins only because she's a permanent character, otherwise it'd be a dead tie.
  20. Gyromite: Celes can absorb magic, learn magic naturally, and she can use the Ultima Weapon. All Beatrix can do is put a little lightning into her sword...
  21. HexedTourney: Blonde chicks FTW.
  22. Marcus Leonhart: Oh danm... Sooooo hard to choose... I'll keep with Celes, since I love her for such a long time.
  23. PietroFF: I just love Celes.
  24. dudutsai: I would vote Celes over pretty much anyone else. She is my favorite.
  25. Hydronisa: Gotta stick with Celes. Beatrix is a great character, but she doesn't stick with your party for long. That, and the Opera scene won me over.
  26. Lockhart: As much as I like Beatrix, Celes is such a great character. I thought she was deepest character in FFVI.
  27. Vito:Celes
  28. ChocoboRider:lol Opera, sorry Beatrix.
  29. PapaBear:This game rocks and so does Celes.I do like Paladins but Celes is a Mage Knight and yes a novice opera singer.
  30. Masamune: Tough one, but I always liked Celes just a little tiny bit more than Beatrix.
  31. Bobo: Celes is awesome and is probably my strongest charactor in FFVI
  32. Rydiaofmist: Celes is one of my favorite FF characters of all time.
  33. JenovasWitness: Celes!!!
  34. Wikada: Celes is my second best character in FFVI and it's the only game I've completely finished. Plus, the Opera scene is one of my favourite video game scenes ever :)
  35. Maxtersmen: CELES ROX!
  36. NeoBahamut: Celes wins, no contest!!!
  37. Absynthium: Celes > Beatrix, no contest. it's a tough choice but Celes would come out the victor because she's got a leg up on Beatrix being infused with Magicite.

Anonymous Votes

  1. Physically strong, magically powerful, ability to absorb magic, compelling story, Yep Celes gets the nod. When it comes to former female military leaders who join your team, Celes is the original, Beatrix is a poor copy. What ever Beatrix has Celes has two things that trump all, Paladin Shield and The Lightbringer. Celes wins. Period.
  2. Celes all the way, she was an amazing fighter and was one of my top people when I took on Kefka for the final battle. - Musashi
  3. Celes gets my vote over Beatrix mainly because she's much more of a heroine, beatrix is too much of a supporting role so her personality doesn't get explored well and she didn't make me cry as Celes did. -Sorceress Heartilly
  4. Celes was one of my favorite characters to use
  5. They may both be generals, but Celes can sing!
  6. Cause she's a blonde
  7. C'mon this is easy, Celes is one the best female characters in all of Final Fantasy and, along with Terra, the only one up till now that can be considered the main protagonist of one of the games in the series. (No X-2 doesn't count!)

Votes for Beatrix

  1. BlueHighwind: Because she's a badass. A sexy badass. Really all badasses are sexy, but Beatrix is especially sexy.
  2. Duh. --SCM
  3. Seiken. 'nuff said. -- N/A 02:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
  4. Deadlyslashsword Beatrix FTW.
  5. AnonyMan: FFIX barely has character who aren't even fairly cool. Beatrix is like Celes on Steroids. Plus when she's around you're getting treated to good music, and/or an ass-kicking. She's also involved with another great, Adelber Steiner. In a fight she'd murder Celes, alll while not being a genetically enhanced Magic soldier.
  6. Otens: I enjoyed both but Beatrix almost always killed me.
  7. User:Rainacide: Voting for Beatrix, as much as I love both FFVI & FFXI & both Beatrix & Celes, I'm more of a FFXI fan, Beatrix may not have Runic, but she has Seiken. & she looks pretty good w/ an eye patch. She also single-handed took out your party 3 times in the game. ;] & plus she's one of those temporary characters/gamesharked characters :P
  8. Do you know who your talking about? Beatrix once killed 100 knights without breaking a sweat. That is fucking BADASS! TBM
  9. AsTidus: Beatrix 4ever and ever!!!
  10. Maverick Riot: Beatrix; she was one of my favourite characters from the Final Fantasy series!
  11. Dark Raven: Wow, that's a tough choice. But I have to choose the chick who crushed my party three times.
  12. JudgeZarbi: Beatrix can kill 100 knights with little effort. 'Nuff said.
  13. Oranejo: Beatrix is probably my favorite character from IX. Even though I enjoyed VI a lot more than IX, Beatrix was way cooler than Celes.
  14. Antares*: I haven't played whichever FF game Celes is in but Beatrix is one of my favorite final fantasy characters, she's attractive, powerful, has a good theme song, and uses my favorite final fantasy weapon of the series.She did also single handedly slay 100 knights in combat. My vote goes to Beatrix.
  15. Scottyboy4: no contest.
  16. She's strong, not to mention strong-willed. She's probably the only decent female character on IX. LadyLeonhart
  17. VN: she's more appealing in terms of personality and looks. Although I have nothing against Celes, Beatrix's "Shock" is definitely better than "Runic". And her theme song is better~
  18. Faethin: Beatrix qui vincetur mala. Salve Regina!
  19. Aleria: Never gotten around to playing VI, but I quite like Beatrix, so she gets my vote.
  20. Super Sephiroth: FFVI sucked, Celes wasn't so bad but Beatrix truly rules the floor here. She is an ass saver and thanks to my new Gameshark, she is a permanent addition to my party. I really hope she doesn't lose.
  21. 8bit: Since Celes is indeed starting to pull away, I must throw in my vote for Beatrix. She holds herself with more of a poise than Celes does, and the scene on the Red Rose is one of the best in the series. Roses of May is also one of my favorite themes, due to both its simplicity and beauty.
  22. I Lion Heart I: You use the worst image of Beatrix and the best of Celes. *leaves*
  23. Rocking chair: Celes is pretty good but Beatrix will aboslutely wipe the floor of her. Beatrix is a mad dog.
  24. sjoerd777Beatrix takes this one. Celes was good, but Beatrix is better.
  25. ChiefKakashi: Currently losing.
  26. This is somewhat surprising... --TacticAngel 05:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Beatrix can lower everyone's life to a mere 1 HP with just one attack. Don't tell me that isn't awesome.
  2. celes just keeps betraying everybody, at least Beatrix is loyal.
  3. Didn't she single handedly kill a hundred soldiers? She also annihilates all in battle, Seiken is too much fun to play with :P oh and save the queen!!!!! woot!
  4. Beatrix is one of the more physically able women in final fantasy.
  5. Beatrix also has the legendary sword Save the Queen, and can use Holy.
  6. Beatrix is just plain awesome!
  7. I've never played FFVI, and Beatrix is so goddamn sexy and badass. She defeated me three times--canon. I love her Seiken skills, and her beloved Save the Queen. Also she took down a hundred soldiers...and is able to silence a crying infant. Also I'd like to remind you she is sexy. :D So...Beatrix for the win!
  8. I like her theme song...... :3
  9. noob: Beatrix is way, way stronger as a knight. Her sword's hecka strong also; even if you do find it, you can't even use it, haha. Actually, it's more like her sword's "legendary."
  10. One of the best characters in the series, no question. They made her impossible to beat when she opposed the heroes for a reason. And her weapon is truly legendary, hence why even if you get it, no one can equip it. Her theme is beautiful, and the scene with herself and Steiner defending Alexandria is one of my favorites in the game. She has no equal. Celes would put up one of the best fights, but ultimately, Beatrix would win.

Peanut Gallery

Oh..... so hard.... to choose........can't choose..... gah... 8bit 03:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I hear ya, man, I hear ya... Faethinverba volant 03:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll probably end up voting late for whomever is losing. 8bit 03:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
That's exactly my intention. -Faethinverba volant 17:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you just vote for Beatrix? Celes may be tough, but nobody can survive Beatrix's "Shock". --BlueHighwind 17:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not just about who's stronger. Besides, Celes can cast the Giant Blue Dome of Doom. -Faethinverba volant 17:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
And she looked dang good in a ball gown. She got Locke flustered, even! Rowdy
Well if it wasn't for General Leo, Beatrix wouldn't have Shock ;D
Celes also can't take Leo on for that matter too. Anony

Thought I would see a better one. No offense though. Otens

The other matches on the list were Celes vs Tifa, Seifer vs Kadaj and Bartz vs Firion. And we know that while Terra may have tied Aeris, Celes would not have been so fortunate. So, take your pick, Seifer/Kadaj or Bartz/Firion... Drake Clawfang 05:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
What I meant is that I just expected the match-up, not that it wasn't a good one. You know, General versus General. I just don't see enough random match-ups; That or they have already been done. -Otens
Understandable, but still, look at the other fights, what other options were there that were random? None. Drake Clawfang

Finally, my girl gets back in there! In my book, Celes > Everybody. Yes, even Tifa and her two best friends. RowdyCMoore

Cloud and Aeris? Drake Clawfang 08:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Maybe, or it could be the other 2 "friends". --AnonyMan 12:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
RowdyCMoore Tifa reference Count: 2. LOL! 8bit 15:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW, gotta speak out against the anon vote that says Celes "keeps betraying everyone." Excuse me? She only "betrayed" the Empire for obvious reasons. Is this person referring to the Magitek factory scene? Kefka was lying through his teeth then! Rowdy

Also, some anon user votes 3 times for Beatrix, and one of them said she can use Holy and Save the Queen...so can Celes. :p Drake Clawfang 17:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
FFVI's Save the Queen. A pretender of the true blade. Like all the other Masamunes that aren't in Sephiroth's hand. --BlueHighwind 17:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Except for the case of the Masamune, Sephiroth is the pretender. Edge, or even the emo-technophobe Cyan came before him. Drake Clawfang 17:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't care less who did it first. Sephiroth did it the right way. The badass way. --BlueHighwind 17:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Spoken as I have come to expect. Drake Clawfang 18:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Only thing badass about Sephiorth using a Masamune is when Cloud used it as leverage to toss his punk ass, which is also one of Cloud's only cool moments. --AnonyMan 04:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

LMAO i thought that Beatrix was from FF4 with those graphics :P like the ds remake. LOL -Zack fair 007 Oh why are people making a big deal about Beatrix killing 100 knights? Zack whooped like 300,000...minus 3 Zack fair 007

This isn't about Zack or the over-the-top eye candy of Compilations. Also as far as I know Beatrix is a plain(if very strong) human. If she were to go through the SOLDIER process she'd probably put all ofto shame. --AnonyMan 04:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
As well, you fight Beatrix three times, and all three times she wins. Drake Clawfang
Yea, and 100 is hellovalot fr a human. this guy here is a real life human being and considerd the mst powrfull man evr existd, and he only killed 60 men. imagine killin 100 guys. Zack's no man, he's a lab rat of some Dr. Frankenstein. n it's nt even sure he killd 300,000 guys Leon5550
Also in the same vein, you could ask why people are making a big deal about Celes being able to absorb magic or that she can learn it natrually. B. can use magic(which leads one to believe using magic isn't as "exclusive" in other FFs than in IX) It doesn't really matter if you'll be on the ground in about a few seconds from extra-impressive sword work. --AnonyMan 12:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Remember this, Celes became a Gestahlian general faster than anyone, so I'm guessing she'd do more than okay among those SOLDIER boys. And as for Beatrix's 100 kills, didn't Celes lay waste to Maranda? Rowdy
She probably could. So she starts a few fires, Okay. Other than both being "turncoat" female generals, you can't really compare them. Beatrix is so far and above Celes in ability(and is much more revered) it ain't funny. She does far more with much less. If anything Leo's the Beatrix in VI, but he's male. --AnonyMan 15:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, which is why I suggested Leo vs Beatrix. Only five people went for it. Drake Clawfang
Zack's got her beat cuz Beatrix can't be in SOLDIER... She's a girl. Hey, the 7th Chaos Esper is not sexist, Shinra is.- ChaosEsperVII
There's no evidence of that. For one, being in SOLDIER isn't anything too great. They didn't let Cloud in, and he's way cooler than any Sora-copy. And I'm not talking about the cool Sora from .hack//SIGN, this is the mediocre Kingdom Hearts Sora. And though we never saw any female SOLDIER members, that doesn't show that woman can't be in the organization. Deepground has plenty of girls, and every member of that group was at least good enough to be in regular SOLDIER. --BlueHighwind 22:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I know. They could have at least took the time to create a character. Oh wait. In Crisis Core there was this one person Luxiere. It said that it liked Zack because of his smile. At first I thought it was just a gay SOLDIER guy, the 7th Chaos Esper does not hat gays, but since it was wearing a helmet, perhaps it was the only female Soldier character. And yes, the man who didn't sign Cloud up for SOLDIER is an idiot. And speaking of Cloud: why haven't they revealed him for Dissidia? If he's not the VII good guy then that will be stupid. - ChaosEsperVII
Because it's FFVII, they probably want to save it for last. Becuase you know they'll make it the showstealer when they reveal it. Like how Sephiroth was in the trailer, with his stupid tired fire-walk, treating him different like he's special. *sigh* --AnonyMan 00:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

WOW you guys are taking ths too seriously. everyone can't just hate FFVII just because people like it. That's basically what happened. They arent milking cash cows, they ARE MEETING FAN DEMANDS FOR A GOOD GAME, THATS WHAT. And yeah, it was 100,000 to 300,000 as stated before. Zack is not a lab rat. So Shut the fuck up. And beatrix still looks like ff4 ds graphics. At least FF7's was cute.

Hey, we're all just having fun here. I never said anything about hating FF7. I reserve my hatred for the New York Yankees. Rowdy
I liked it better when Zack was just gunned down by three people. Where do you get the number 100,000-300,000 from anyway. That sounds way too much, even by current VII standards.--Oranejo 00:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey! The Yankees kick ass! Don't be jealous of the most winningest franchise in sports history! --BlueHighwind 01:26, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Chillax FFVII Fan. This isn't even about Zack or VII. Though for the record. If Zack wasn't a labrat, I guess he never went trough all those crazy experimentations(it's not even an insult to his character). Also comparing VII's MegaBlok, Popeye arm graphics to FFIX's is...hilarious. ---AnonyMan 01:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Dayum And zack is awesome, and yeah he was experimented on but that doesn't make him any sort of rat. Sephiroth was a lab rat, because he was BORN AN EXPERIMENT. i still like him tho. And anyone other than me not hate ffvii and joined the rebel gropu " like ffvi because other people hate ffvii" Zack fair 007

Yea, I kno how u feel, I respectd Zack and he's my 2nd fav FF characther. But rats are not born experiments, we capture them, then we put them in a nuclear reactor so theyll become the next gen super soldier. Zack was taken by a freak, put inside a pod filled with water from a nuclear reactor waste aginst his own will to be some super soldier freak that is Sephiroth. that's a lab rat's fate. Leon5550
Although I don't like VII. It's still popular as hell. For every 1 person who doesn't like it there another 100 fans. If any FF needs fans to come together it's FFVIII that' get much more negative attention. --AnonyMan 12:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
The 7th Chaos Esper is a VII freak but I do agree with Anony cuz VIII is not a bad game. - ChaosEsperVII

It's 31-24. Starting to pull away. I'll give Beatrix credit - she's putting up more of a fight than Ultros did. Rowdy

Personally, I though it would be alot closer; like a tie even, maybe with Beatrix pulling a slight lead. She definitely's one of the most popular FFIX characters. Then again it's FFIX, it's got very underwhelming attetion compared to most. --AnonyMan 18:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
A Seven to nine vote margin isn't bad, given this place's reputation. BTW, is Ultros still receptionist? I just assumed Gilgamesh took his job along with his dignity... Rowdy

And it looks like Celes will hold on for the win. Her next opponent - Tifa and her weapons of mass destruction! Rowdy

Actually no. Unless TacticAngel finally returns to command, this Friday it's going to be the landmark case of Bartz v. Firion. Celes won't be coming back for some time. --BlueHighwind 16:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Good. No offense to Tifa(this time), she doesn't need to be in any more contests for a while too. Bartz and Firion? I see, the battle between the 2 FF protagonists with the least amount of characterization to them.(Not counting the I and III's casts because they have no character to begin with). --AnonyMan 17:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Finally! II and V get some love here in the Colosseum! --Firionklauser

Week 78: Recurring Comic Relief Boss Battle - Ultros v. Gilgamesh

Ultros battle
Winner!!
Gilgamesh
65 to 21
GilgameshFFVI

GilgameshFFVI
These guys again? They make you laugh (or try their best to). These are the the comic relief monsters from the SNES games. Which is superior, the greedy octopus who has more lives than he does arms, or the incompetent multi-armed epic hero for whom IT'S MORPHING TIME!?

Votes for Ultros

  1. Way funnier. Dark Raven - Vote in the Pit!
  2. You're in the presence of octopus royalty! Ultros had the multi-arm thing going on even before Gilgamesh tried to copy him in XII and Revenant Wings. 8bit 00:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  3. Gilgamesh is cool, but Ultros is classic. Besides, he's the administrator of the DNC and has his tentacle-y mug on the template. That is win. Drake Clawfang
  4. Yumino: Uwee hee hee~!
  5. RowdyCMoore Who does Gilgamesh think he is - a Power Ranger? Now that that's out of the way: Ultros would win because he has Chupon guarding his back. He'd sneeze Gilgamesh away and Ultros would take the credit.
  6. Faethin: Ultros is the best comic relief in the whole series. Yet another "best of" for VI.
  7. dudutsai: Neither of them are funny..... but "Yeowch!! Seafood Soup!"
  8. actiondan: really.. random
  9. Utopian Heretic Gilgamesh doesn't stand a chance against Ultros. He's a much better comic relief to a more plot driven game while Gilgamesh was a comic relief in a more gameplay oriented Final Fantasy. Thus, Ultros dominates.
  10. Initial Reality Eh, this is more of a sympathy vote than anything.
  11. PietroFF This guy made me laugh a lot. It deserves my vote.
  12. Keiko2113 Gets my vote for sure, he made VI :) "dont tease the octopus kids!"
  13. Shariii Just.. Look at him!
  14. Lockhart Ultros is epic!
  15. Dancing Daggers: This vote is a half pity, half Gilgamesh-is-seriously-overstated vote. Not that he isn't amusing though.
  16. UM: What a terrible fight. I don't like either of them very much.
  17. Chaltier:Ultros,you'er a joke boss.So sad you have to lose this match.At least you work here in DNC :p
  18. NeoBahamut:Ultros was one of the first bosses I fought ever, and he makes good jokes instead of bad punns, if only people would vote for Ultros more.
  19. Sjoerd777 He's an octopus, that makes him edgible(Or whatever eatable is in that kind of english) that makes him win.
  20. BfD - 17:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. This dude is way funny.
  2. Drunken pity vote. cant be arsed to post username even. lets all get wasted.

Votes for Gilgamesh

  1. Henryacores: "Because no one loves Gilgamesh more than I do"
  2. FFsage The fact that Gilgamesh has been in many more FF games gives him the nod, though I also love Ultros.
  3. Ultros isn't funny. Gilgamesh is hilarious with great lines all around. He single-handedly saved FFV's entire crappy plot. And his cameo in FFXII was amazing. --BlueHighwind 00:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  4. Pablo618:I hate ultros, easily the worst recurring boss EVER
  5. Mr. Rojo: I like both characters, both were funny in their own game, but Gilgamesh was great in FF XII.
  6. Kaiser Dragon: "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
  7. Zephyrus11: Fly Enkidu! Fly!
  8. Sanctiel: I vote for MORPHING TIME.
  9. Squallinoa_08: Gilgamesh is cool! When I played FFVIII and he appeared, I was like, DAMN! This guy is cool and no one should ever underestimate him.
  10. It Gilgamesh. OtOcon^_- 03:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  11. Gokus789: Excalipoor FTW
  12. Gyromite: Ultros is hilarious, but this is Gilgamesh were talking about here. This is gonna be the most one-sided fight this place ever had.
  13. User:Zack fair 007: Gilgamesh has a cooler name, looks cooler, and Ultros, man, this ain't worth it. Gilgamesh hands down.
  14. User:Rainacide: Gotta vote for Gilgamesh, he has been in more Final Fantasy games but has taken in different roles, some as a theif (FFIX), or a GF (FFVIII) or even a boss (FFXII) while Ultros is just a joke character, which is humourous but Gilgamesh just pwns.
  15. Super Sephiroth:I hate FFVI, don't mind V, but I do like VIII and XII, in which Gilgamesh also appears. I still don't even reraly know who Ultros is, because he sucks balls, along with a great part of FFVI.
  16. YuanchosaanSalutations! 07:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  17. It is not an option for an octopus (read - Tentacle Monster) to win. HexedTourney
  18. Gilgamesh has apeared in more games than Ultros... And his name has never been changed... And he has a crapload of weapons... Most of which are swords, although he does have a spear and an axe... What? I like those too... (Just not as much as swords...) And Gilgy has never once looked like a pile of moving jelly (although it is cool). And his battle tactics are better than Ultros's... And he's funnier! But that's just my opinion...Lord Xale 08:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  19. Gilgamesh is both funny and cool at the same time. Ultros is funny at times but most of the time he's simply an annoying purple octopus. Adam Mcduck
  20. Gilgamesh's fight in FFXII was awesome.Zack
  21. Vito:Gilgamesh.
  22. JZ: He uses 5 different swords on FFXII.
  23. Xadren: The best incompetent in the world.
  24. He has a song, and does Ultros have a song that's neat? I don't think so. Besides, Gilgamesh is much funnier.~LadyLeonhart
  25. Not because he's funny, he's just so much cooler. I Lion Heart I
  26. I thought they were both funny, although Gilgamesh had a bigger, funnier role than "orthros" in FFXII. I'm going with the one with a bigger résumé. -DarthBangaa
  27. Chocobo Knight not Chocobo-Knight, that's another user
  28. Ancient Sumarian Legend? Count me in!--Muchomas35 14:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  29. maxtersmen: Gilamesh is obviously way better. orthros is an octopus!
  30. Firionklauser: VI was undoubtebly superior to V, but Ultros is a joke. Instead of getting an upgrade in WoR, he becomes a frickin receptionist! Ol' Gil went out with style against Necrophobe, so my vote's for him.
  31. Blykus 16:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  32. ChaosEsperVII:Who doesn't like Gilgamesh? He has Genji armor, Excalipoor, and Zantetsuken. Not to mention a million other swords.
  33. Tex HOWDY!!! 18:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
  34. AnonyMan: I'm not a big fan of Gilgamesh, but he's got his cool points, he was funny in XII, and in IX, he was awesome in VIII. And like what many think, he was one of the best things about FFV(still not enough for me to finish it, though). Ultros is funny to but he doesn't have as much pazazz as Gil.
  35. 2127: How could you not vote for this guy?
  36. Hate to pile it on, but Gilgamesh is too cool not to vote for him.--Oranejo 02:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
  37. Mateus: Gilgamesh's swords can chop Ultros down and make an octopus sushi out of him.
  38. Draga: Gilgamesh is having calamari for dinner tonight!
  39. Masamune: Better music.
  40. BritBoy: He was funny as opposed to annoying like Ultros, he became good in the end and he had the best theme of any character ever.
  41. Black Mage Zemekis:Hated Ultros, + MORPHING TIME rules.
  42. Konira Thax: so one sided, Gilgamesh is a GOD!
  43. VN: Firstly, it's because i love Gilgamesh's theme "Clash on the Big Bridge". Secondly, i love his appearance in FFXII with previous FF weapons. Ultros is annoying, and does not have a memorable theme song.
  44. DrakemasterDrake:Gilgamesh pwns. That is all.
  45. Gilgamesh somewhat defines awesome.--SCM
  46. ChocoboRider:This fight is so one-sided. Ultros just makes everyone angry and Gilgamesh is hilarious.
  47. Goldberry2000: I apologise, but I must contradict my friend Henryacores. Nobody loves Gilgamesh more than I DO.
  48. Leon5550:I can't say dey'r both awesome but atleast this one made me laugh at FF12
  49. Deadlyslashsword: "Let's see how you handle the mighty me! And by me, I mean Gilgamesh!! And by handle, I mean DIE!!!" Gilgamesh FTW
  50. Rydiaofmist: Few characters can compete with Gilgamesh. He's a Final Fantasy legend. I kinda feel bad for poor ol' Ulty though. That hard-working, persistent little octopus deserves more respect.
  51. SeKaLoYa: Excalibur Excalipoor Zantetsuken Masamune etc. etc. the greatest swordsman of all time!!!!
  52. Leaf7634: Gilgamesh has a cooler name and looks cooler but i have never seen them before.
  53. Etch: This is only time i will vote for ffv character over ffvi character. gilgamesh was more entertaining enemy and had more epic story.
  54. ChiefKakashi: Who can vote against Gilgy?
  55. DVardonir: ^Ditto.
  56. MK: Great Theme song and great quotes and a tough boss fight. More than I can say of Ultros.
  57. SilverMage: This isn't even a challenge. Gil is just better, and the 'Women who dress like men' line is priceless.
  58. Ivalicia: I like gil! erm.... GIL!
  59. Gilgamesh:my name talks! go gilgamesh! ;)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Gilgamesh after he is defeated eventually comes back to defeat an enemy for you, Ultros is reduced to a clerk at a colosseum. Besides Gilgamesh shows up in Ultros's game. He is just that cool.
  2. gilgamesh is so much cooler xD
  3. Yumiko: His theme in FFXII was so awesome! His battle was probaly one of the most enjoyable boss battles in XII. Yay! ^^
  4. Gilgamesh deserves to show up more in Final Fantasy, like a series staple - alongside your regular airship and chocobo!
  5. Dude, Gilgamesh had the best line ever with "It's morphing time." I too enjoyed fighting him in FFXII where as the Ultros reference in FFXII annoyed me.
  6. I love im! He's hilarious! And his part in XII was awesome. Kya~!
  7. Because of the ever search for the legendary sword!
  8. Ultros may have been good, but Gilgamesh was here first. He also had all the arms and weapons, and helps kill Necrophobe.
  9. He was awesome in ff8, people forget that, odin i hate so glad he died, *yay dances on odins grave* he was so cool when they had him as a serious edition, then he came back in 12 and was awesome, he was so cool in 5 too, hes also voiced by john dimaggio who voices wakka kimahri and bender from futurama
  10. Way too awesome to lose
  11. I remember when Gilgamesh first appeared for me in FFVIII, hugely dramatic entrance where you're expecting amazing things, then see "Excalipoor" and roll your eyes as he gently scratches the enemies.Good stuff.
  12. Gilgamesh is the awsomest character in Final Fantasy history!except Vincent...

Peanut Gallery

Usually the previous fights' votes are tallied before a new one is put up. Since TA isn't here at the moment, can everyone PLEASE REFRAIN FROM VOTING until I tally the votes and remove votes in the wrong sections? Thank you 8bit 00:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops... I just declared a winner. Feel free to fix the numbers, but I don't think Basch and Noah are going to be winning by surprise. --BlueHighwind 01:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC) (UTC)
Fix the numbers, and remove some votes. Thanks for the large edit conflict that made me copy and paste >.> 8bit 00:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I gotta say, with 19 votes in favor and none again, I cannot recall a fight suggestion for the DNC ever getting so much support. This should be good. Drake Clawfang 00:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Its why I picked it. If I'm going to get banned for making a fight just out of the blue (no pun intended), it might as well be the best damn fight we have. --BlueHighwind 01:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
@Gyromite - this is the most one-sided fight ever? Obviously you missed the Tidus vs. Squall fight - Squall won 66.5 to 28.5. Zidane vs. Tidus, 46 to 15. Or Shiva vs Mateus, 54 to 13.5. Oh, better yet, the Gullwings vs. the Turks - 41 to 7.5! Ha, lowest score ever, X Yuna vs X-2 Yuna: 26 to 5!
The DNC has a long history of horribly one-sided battles. This is one-sided, but it will most certainly end up closer than any of the fights I just named.

GYAH! How is it possible that I'm LOSING to that six-armed FREAK! Y'all want me to eight-slap each one of you, huh? I AM THE ALMIGHTY, ALL-KNOWING RECEPCIONIST! Uwee-hee-hee-hee... -Ultros 15:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC) =)

Madness? This is SPARTA! (kicks Ultros into the Pit of Death :) TheHitman 23:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
You're a RECEPCIONIST, are you? -- JZ

Well well, after a week of hearing people complain the Yuna-Aeris or Rydia-Rosa would be too one-sided, we get the battle everyone wanted, and it's turning out to be a FREAKING BLOWOUT??!! Hmmmmm...RowdyCMoore

Hey, it was fair in my mind when I suggested it, and it was BlueHighwind who changed the fight, not me. As for Yuna/Aeris and Rydia/Rosa, it would be onesided. Aeris and Rydia against each other, now there's a match/catfight/pillowfight I'd pay to see. But Yuna and Rosa has no chance against either of them. Drake Clawfang 00:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Anyone remember the battle music against Ultros in the Opera House? I thought that music was kind of catchy. 8bit 01:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

That music (in VI Advance at least) is called Grand finale & I agree, it's a great music. --Adam Mcduck

Gilgamesh:55; ultros:18. cant we move on? Leon5550

stick a fork in it, this octopus is cooked Etch
I like watching all forms of torture, especially things like this. -- JZ
Anybody up for some tako?? Etch
I'll pass. -- JZ
Jz, ure torturin us wit this boring, 1 sided fight, change, and we might see a nu guy being tortured. User:Leon5550

LOLOL Gilgamesh is kicking ass.....sorry Ultros

Can we please end this and move on?

Wonderful idea, kind sir. However, our current master of ceremonies, Tactic Angel is a iffy on his wiki editing lately. Computer problems, I hear. Though that is tragic and I cannot blame him for it, it does mean that our DNC is falling behind. So, starting today I've decided to help out in his absense. TA likes to put up fights on Thursdays, so if a new fight is not up by Friday night, I'll put the fight up myself. Nobody else seems to take an interest, so here we go. --BlueHighwind 01:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Go for it, Blue. I think we need you to step up in TA's absence. --Tex HOWDY!!! 01:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, actually tonight Drake is putting the fight up. He was planning on doing it before I wrote that and I hate to get in people's ways. And Drake has gone to Diablo to ask for a new dude to be put in charge here. Naturally I suggested myself, because I'm like that. Hope I didn't overplay my hand though. Well, whatever. --BlueHighwind 01:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Gilgamesh is sooo overrated... Dark Raven


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