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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really, the Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user . If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because votes carry different weight and votes left in the wrong section may be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the votes will be totaled and winner decided. Ties may be called if the voting is within 10% of each other.

Week 69: Lulu v. Edea

Winner!!
undecided
Edea
The simmering sorceress is something of an archetype, sometimes hard to sell, but both of these magic maidens are easy on the eyes, to be sure, but which of them bests the other in a bout of black magic?

Votes for Lulu

  1. Edea was made Ultimecia's bitch. Turns out she's actually a nice person. Cop out. Lulu was one of the only people who wasn't a complete loser in FFX --Maverick King 00:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
  2. I think Lulu is a better character in terms of development and, oddly enough, I'm not referring to her boobs. What I mean is that she had a better and more drawn up background story in FFX and her mannerisms did well to keep the party in line. I suppose she was the matron of the group in FFX and it didn't hurt for her to Doublecast Ultima in an instant. Bottom line is, Lulu FTW. --Tex 06:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  3. I'm just more fond of Lulu. --ShadowLaguna 20:17, 15 May 2008 (DMT+12)
  4. My vote...is here.TheSwordofDoubt 08:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  5. VitoRyu: Because Voting for Edea is the same thing as voting for Ultimecia. Do we REALLY want Ultimecia to win???
  6. Dark raven
  7. Aramis: Lulu is from FFX, edea is from FFVIII. Enough said.
  8. Since the entire story of FFVIII made absolutely no sense to me, I'm gonna have to go with Lulu. I actually liked FFX, so... -RB
  9. Lockhart: Edea started off strong, but didn't finish strong, kind of like FFVII as a whole. As for Lulu, I tihnk she was one of the more interesting characters in FFX.
  10. She's pretty good. Oath to Order 14:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  11. DrakemasterDrake:Always liked Lulu.
  12. ChiefKakashi 16:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  13. PhoenixDew: Lulu all the way! She just rocks in general, one of my favorite black mages, if not my favorite. Plus Edea totally bombed story wise when she turned out to be just a kindly Matron. Tough decision though, cause Edea was like an inspiration for Lulu.
  14. Bartz235: I've always liked Lulu, whereas Edea was just...eh. Lulu can 1mp cost double cast Ultima!!! Lulu FTW!!!
  15. Sora_Rainstorm:Have to go with Lulu. I like Edea, but... Lulu intimidated me a little more than Edea. Lulu is my all-time favorite black mage, next to Vivi of course.

Anonymous votes

  1. Even though I like both of these characters, I gotta vote Lulu. Her story is better in my opinion.
  2. Edea looks stoned most of the time. She ain't got no skillz gainst Lu-x2
  3. VIII was terrible. X, had Auron AND Blitzball. Those were the only good things.
  4. Im gonna have to vote for Lulu. She was an interesting chatacter and was powerful too.

Votes for Edea

  1. BlueHighwind: I have to be number one on this list. Nobody loves Edea more than me.
  2. Blykus 05:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  3. Adam mcduck: Edea... such a wasted, great villain...
  4. More dignity and more stylish. -- N/A 06:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  5. Chaltier: Edea cause Lulu is like an imitation of Edea,BH vote now for your beloved Edea!
  6. Random pick. HexedTourney
  7. SCM Definitely better
  8. SuperSeph: No way shall Edea lose to a second rate slut.
  9. Otens : I have to say I believe Edea would win. Her magic is technically unlimited (Not MP though.)
  10. AnonyMan: Edea's pretty cool, well after all that Sorcerer drama. Lulu...like most of the other major characers in X who wasn't Kimahri or Wakka, I wanted to punch in the face. I hope Edea wins, this small lead probably means nothing. FFVIII gets too much flak, It's got glaring flaws but it's still one of the best games.
  11. Moogle Kupo: She's badass.
  12. Khakishro: I have to disagree with Aramis. Not enough said. Edea is a sorceress and thats something I like, a really cool title. Lulu isn't bad, i just like the title and the fact Edea is a boss.
  13. Henryacores: She's Awesome and she's a real witch! No need for puppets, Edea is kickass by herself.
  14. User:Clvabl
  15. Lulu has too many chastity belts. TBM
  16. Scottyboy4: I feel bad for Edea, being in FFVIII and everything.
  17. I never played VIII, but I think the belts just looks stupid on Lulu, and I thought it was a dress until I looked closer. --Oranejo 00:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

  1. GreatBuster: Doesn't Edea have the power of like 2 or 3 Sorceresses in her? I think That's enough to steamroll little lulu.
  2. Although It was Ultimecia who provided her with power, Edea would definitly win. Lulu can cast magic 6 times at once, but Edea nearly killed Squall in 1 attack

Peanut Gallery

Both are great, to be honest, but Edea's speech in Deling City was just awesome. --Blykus 06:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Anyone else realize that, without trying to give a form of spoiler, Edea's magic is in a constant loop? But I'm hoping this was Edea as a villain instead of the character you get to use temporarily. -Otens

Whoever said "Voting for Edea=Voting for Ultimecia" At least Ultimecia was a good final boss, unlike FFX. --AnonyMan 13:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Fuck Ultimecia! All Glory to her Majesty Lady Edea! Down with the pretender whore!! --BlueHighwind 19:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

It's 18-17 Edea as I type this. This will be one hell of a "Black Magic Woman" slobberknocker. --Tex 01:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Week 68: Kain Highwind v. Ricard Highwind

Kain Highwind menu
Winner!!
Kain Highwind
28½ to 18

Kain Highwind menu
Ricard Highwind didn't make the cut for the Magicite Madness, but he is the series very first dragoon and the very first Highwind. How does he stack up to Kain, dragoon of legend?

Votes for Kain

  1. I vote Kain! Final Fantasy IV is way better. -- RY
  2. Kain kicks all kinds of ass. Ricard's a classic, but Kain's a legend. Drake Clawfang
  3. I don't think so. --Crazyswordsman 04:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
  4. I... didn't even know who Ricard was. I had to go to his article. My vote is for Kain. --Zephyrus11 04:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
  5. Deh Hexed votes for Kain because the Abel's Lance is overpowered.
  6. Haven't played FFII, but I know enough to appreciate a legend when I vote for one. -- Varehemsko 11:29 8 May 2008 (GMT)
  7. One-sided. Dark raven
  8. KhakishroKain is a very cool Dragoon. and in the DS version he looks alot like a Dark Knight which is a plus for me.
  9. Kain is the reason I started to like dragoons. Ricard might be the only cool character in FFII but Kain is my favorite FF character of all time. Also, Ricard might be the first dragoon in the series, but he CANT jump. --ThomiDRAGOON 8 May 2008 (UTC)
  10. Even the Ricard voters say they like Kain more... --ChiefKakashi 17:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
  11. Pablo618:OMG!!! Es Kain!!!! TKM Kain! Dme un hij! XOXOXOXOXO Bss!(sorry, my inner fangirl mad eme, thou Ricard is the original, Kain kicks ass!)
  12. SCM For two reasons; 1. Kain is better and 2. I'm helping BH continue his losing streak.
  13. Simply put, Kain can Jump in battle and Ricard can't. Kain, hands down. --JARIITX 23:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
  14. Sora_Rainstorm: The picture's cooler, so I guess I'm voting for this guy.
  15. Mateus_the_Corrupt: Should pick Kain up. 1000 stars for him. Go and poke Ricard's ass, Kain!!
  16. The Black Mage: Who doesn't like the dragoon who ends up a pawn for Golbez more times then you can count.
  17. Actiondan: Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain Kain
  18. TheSwordofDoubt:If we keep pity-voting for Ricard, in the end he'll win. Plus, Kain got to the final round of Magicite Madness. Please
  19. ShadowLaguna: Hahahahaha! Fail!
  20. Bluesilver: Ricard got stuck in a sea serpent. Next!
  21. Hi.--Oranejo 01:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  22. Blackheart1991 he was one of the main characters and was the first on to show up in the USA
  23. Fëasindë: I'm back to the voting tables, it seems. I vote for the legend himself, Kain Highwind.
  24. Drake;To answer the above question: Not very well.
  25. Aleria: Like most of my votes, it goes to the one that belongs to the game I've actually played.
  26. Fighter Neither of them are known for using swords but Kain still looks cooler.GO KAIN!!!!!

Anonymous votes

  1. Sure I like Ricard, but Kain is just badass
  2. Kain is the greatest dragoon in the whole series! Ricard is probably the least known dragoon.
  3. everyone knows Kain, and Kain never ended up in the stomache of some two bit sea beast. and you dont see a "richards lance."- --
Exdeathbattle

Seattle Sucks

That city was INSANELY crowded, full of crazy people, and the less said about the youth hostel I stayed at the better (no TV I could handle, poor hygiene and sticky floors, not so much. The army barracks I stayed at in JROTC was better then that place). If you ever wish to go there, I recommend only a two day trip or so, it is more then enough time to see the sights (Space Needle, Pikes Place, Seattle Aquarium, Safeco Field etc) without getting bogged down by a massive city full of madness.





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Name Exdeath64
Job Class Dark Knight with Black Mage subjob
Hometown Salem, OR
Current Residence Salem, OR
Date of Birth November 19th 1990
Age 18
Height 6 foot 2
IQ Above average, but due to my touch of madness, it tends to go to weird stuff.
Religion Agnostic Theism, I also believe in Reincarnation (or at least I hope that's what happens, I want another shot at life once this fleshbag stops working for me. Preferably in Japan around 1990-1985.)
Weapon Katana, only the one since it has become apparent that dual-wielding heavy, two handed swords, would not really work all that well.
Spells PSI Shadowblast, Darkga, Flare, Ardor
Summon Gyigas(EB0 version)
Motivation Boredom and trying to find my purpose in existence, along with the possibility of life after death.
orientation straight
Limit Breaks The death of the Twin-Spheres (a kick to the groin delivered at a high enough velocity to result in the reduction of the areas in question to their component elements)
political affilation I don't care, so long as the government keeps its fingers out of my life. I don't need some bureaucrat telling me which way to piss.












































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Blog

Due to the admins shutting down the blog system for no reason other then that it bugged them, I have been forced to move my blog here. My interests change around a lot, depending on whatever I am focusing on the content of the blog will change. Has for an update schedule, I don't really have one. Anyway, here is the link. User:Exdeath64/Blog archive

Experiments

My social experiments have been dead for some time. Mostly due to pretty much every user disliking it (with some exceptions.) along with the fact that it was not helping my sanity level to constantly break down human behavior, humans are complex things, unless they have been hitting the bottle and/or narcotics a lot, at which point their mind becomes quite similar to Swiss cheese. If you where not here when this happened...lets see...remember that scene from the Simpson's Movie when the entire town came after Homer with torches and pitchforks (and a few other, equally gruesome items. I think I saw an Orc from Lord of the Rings in there as well...) It was pretty much that, only on a smaller scale. User:Exdeath64/Cultural listing

User:Exdeath64/Code Dump
This is where I stash code of varying tricks users have created and toy around with them to suit my purposes. Feel free to copy something if you like it, but please modify from the original form once you do so.

My code of conduct

This covers how I act on both the internet and life. They tend to cross over a lot and what applies to one usually applies to the other (unless it directly points to something that is only present online, such as wikia activities. Such things rarely impact real life). I am well aware that this is not perfect, just how I handle day-to-day life.

1. I don't do a whole ton of work, mostly because I find trolling for typos and fact-checking every little thing to be INSANELY boring. But if there is something big that needs done (I have worked on overhauling sardapedia and the earthbound wiki. Quite fun.), I will work on it, simply because it is interesting. That being said, if you bring up my edit count, I shall end you and all you love. And if I happen to be wandering the wiki and see something I can quickly fix, I may be inclined to do so.

2. I try to help neophytes, If every user was like me, the wiki would probably collapse, so I do what I can to motivate the new guys to be productive users. This only applies if someone asks for it, or I see older users flaming a n00b. People tend to forget we where all new at some point, from the bare userpage neophyte to the highest admin. This usually only works if I find a new user early on, or if someone comes to me for help.

3. If somebody becomes/acts like a complete bastard (or bitch). I will call them on it, this place is a tightly bound community that does not need the stress of someone venting their rage on here. Not to mention I am fairly skilled at calling out people like this, because I tend to lean that way sometimes, I just don't actively let my "Inner Bastard" out (it tends to slip out when I get ticked off or are feeling particularly belligerent.), this is also the reason I don't drink (that and the age thing) or do drugs, I even refuse any painkillers which influence behavior and your state of consciousness.

4. I actually like this place, if something needs fixed, or I have an idea, I will bring it to attention on the forum, even if it sucks, it might inspire another user in another way. So quit bitching at me for being an idiot, I have a good reason for EVERYTHING I post and or edit, and if you don't understand it, It's simply because you are in a state called "sanity". Ive been there, nice to visit, but I would dislike living there.

5. I don't care how many edits you have or what position you hold here. If you do something stupid, I will call you out about it. Someone has too, and I can take a TON of punishment.

6. I am not going to tell people to act like me, one of me is plenty, if we had any more, the wiki would probably collapse, along with life has we know it.

7. I fear no user. If I piss you off and you decide to take vengeance on me, I will simply ignore you and repair whatever you have done to me. If you start messing with other users and dish out some real damage, I'll go full blown batshit and do everything I can to get rid of you (aside from vandalism or anything else illegal, I have standards, but I will screw with your mind if necessary, though I sort of do that without meaning to most of the time).

8. I am a logical person. If you come to me with a reasonable request or argument, I will listen and if it is good enough I will pretty much help you with anything on the wiki, provided it will not cause any problems, like needing help with your userpage or needing pointers.

9. I act has I see fit, if you disagree with any of my policies, bring it to my attention. None of the items listed here violate wikia policy. And I have never done anything to violate wikia policy...aside from a april fools joke that got a little out of hand, apparently the metroid wikia admin can't take a joke (everyone else thought it was hilarious...). (and no, there is nothing about faking your death being illegal, that being said, please do not try it, it ain't worth pissing everyone off.)

10. I know I can be an asshole. Don't blame me, blame the Salem Keizer school district. If you happen to think I am an asshole, please keep it to yourself unless you can bring it to my attention with a degree of civility. I've gotten like three rants with people claiming I am a "Standard Asshole", "Insane Jackass", and "Right Wing Nut-Job" (I'm conservative (I'm not explaining it now. Just go to foxnews.com they should be able to explain it better then anywhere else) not a drugged up redneck living in the backwoods planning on overthrowing the federal government) and have grown rather tired of people taking three paragraphs on my talk page to explain just why they think I am a jackass. If you are not civil, I will simply ignore you or if I am in a really bad mood, report you to an admin (which is the worst thing I can do to you that won't get me banned). Has I said though, I don't mind criticism, and if you wish to discuss a controversial issue with me, I will be more then happy to do so, provided you know what you are talking about and don't get petty.

11. I cannot tolerate people who act like they walk on water and do no wrong (You know who you are). Seriously, this is the ONE thing that will tick me off more then anything else. To err is human, to admit your mistakes and work to fix them is divine. The flip side of this is that I know I screw up rather frequently, I don't mind it if someone points this out, provided they are civil about it. Calling me an idiot and beating me into the ground about it is not how to get me to do what you want and will just result in my ignoring you or if you tick me off too badly, a horrendously long rant littered with large words and profanity (which really are sort of counterpoints to one another, but whatever works, name me one profane word that is longer then 5 letters in English and I will retract this).

12. Many people in my life have accused me of being racist, sexist, or any variation thereof. I can assure you, I am not. I AM however, a stern believer in equality. That means if you are a jerk, regardless of what race, religion, gender etc you are, I treat you like a jerk. If you're a good person, I acknowledge this and usually will help you and treat you well (I am a decent ally to have around, but I can also be one hell of an enemy) REGARDLESS of race and such. Equality does NOT mean affirmative action or treating a minority better because you are afraid of being sued. It means treating people based on their actions and deeds and being completely blind to gender, race, and religion. For some reason, this particular ideal pisses people off, I don't know why, after all, I advocate acting without prejudice. It just does.

13. Due to my years of studying people in an attempt to compensate for the issues which arise from being autistic, I know how to mess with people, and can really screw with peoples heads. That being said, I am not cruel and don't do this on purpose. There has only ever been one exception, someone started messing with my sister and claiming she was in a lesbian relationship with her best friend. This caused her to have something resembling a emotional breakdown. So I brought her down HARD (Basically by pointing out how badly she sucked for doing that to people, IE I made her see herself for what she really was. This was surprisingly effective since she left my sister alone after that). You don't fuck with my family or friends PERIOD. I am not proud of this, far from it. But it had to be done, to keep my little sister safe, I am willing to take the odd moral hit. I NEVER do this on purpose unless someone I care about is in trouble. I do, however, occasionally do this accidentally, just chalk it up to the Autism if I do something that messes with you. If you feel I have done so, let me know and I will apologize and take note of what I did so I can prevent it in the future.

Final Fantasy Wiki Chalkboard gags

Due to the forces of SEVERE boredom creeping in on me, I have created something I believe is quite humorous. If you have ever seen the simpsons, you have seen that in the beginning of most episodes bart writes something sarcastic and often blunt on the chalkboard. So I have decided to see if I can come up with something good. If you come across this, feel free to add your own, just leave your sig NOT your template. It clutters things up, if you leave your template, I will replace it with your sig and leave any other content completely intact. In case you are wondering why I put this on my userpage, it is because the SECOND this hit the forum someone would lock it. If you are someone with no sense of humor, stop reading right now and get off my userpage before you bring the full wrath of the banhammer upon me. i managed to somehow avoid it during that stunt I pulled during april fools and do NOT want it to happen over something this stupid. And feel free to make fun of me, if you are so inclined I wont remove it. Though if you take something too far with any user, I will remove it and inform you of it.

I will not worship Bluehighwind
I will not provoke Endgame , no matter how amusing I find the results to be
I will not make blood sacrifices to Kain Highwind
Exdeath64's alignment is not Chaotic Offensive. Master Conjurer
I will not start forum threads about what I would to do any female character.
I will not openly taunt the fanboys and will not hit on the fangirls
You cannot write haiku in Al Bhed and expect people to get it.
I will not dance on the graves of departed admins.
I will not claim to have been hit by a cross town bus.
I will not start ranting in a better different language. Master Conjurer
I will stop bitching about Aerith's death Exdeath64 03:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I will stop claiming that the founder of the wiki's died from "Chronic Head Explosion"
I will stop trying to crush the psyches of other users, regardless of how much they deserve it.
Yuan is a wikignome, not a lawn art or "roaming" gnome.
I will not provoke a war between Faethin and AJ Durai.
I will not insult the weight or looks of other users if I have not seen them in real life.
I respect that there is a difference between "flaming" someone and setting the server on fire.
I will not call Diablocon "Boss Admin".  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2
I will not spam the RC with edits to Exdeath 64's page. Master Conjurer
I will not make myself out to be smarter than you...even though I am.--Werefang
I will not provoke the wikiogre
I will not post porn on the mainspace, no matter how funny I think it would be
I will not say that your favorite game sucks unless it's Mystic Quest. Master Conjurer
I will not forget what I am writing on a for...what was I writing here again?--Werefang 15:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I will not feed the Troll.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2
I will not coat LA in shameless propaganda Exdeath64 22:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


Random Crap about my person

Everyone else has something like this, and I am just bored enough to hop on the bandwagon.

  • I have Central Heterochromia. Meaning my eyes have two colors, A ring of brownish-red around the pupil, going into green (No, I do not have the Rinnegan, if you posses this genetic quirk you may want to avoid manga shops. Or at least avoid looking in anyone's eyes while you are there.)
  • I have bad posture. I stand at five-eleven most of the time, but when I actually bother to straighten up, I am about six-two
  • If you met me in real life, you would be unable to tell that I am in anyway related to the user Exdeath64. Unless you know me on a personal level. Then the resemblances get clearer.
  • I live in the Pacific Northwest. Specifically Oregon, it does, in fact rain a lot, but only in the western parts, after you pass the Cascade Range, it turns to desert until you hit the Great Plains.
  • I know I am an amoral prick with no personal skills and a caustic personality and I do TRY to mitigate this, but I am what I am.
  • I am cursed/blessed with high functioning autism. If you want to know just what exactly that entails, the wikipedia article on Aspergers syndrome covers it rather nicely, and if you wish to know more, I would be happy to tell you if you're not a jackass about it. That being said, Lewis Black may rot in the deepest pits of hell while Chthonic masses of eldritch horror feast on his soul while the gibbering spirits of the damned dance around him.
  • I can curse with the best of them (Marine Drill Sergent Grandfather, and JROTC, you would be surprised what you can pick up.) However, I can be quite eloquent and I have a rather robust vocabulary (I even aced AP English senior year while playing EarthBound almost the entire time, much to the chagrin of a friend of mine who did pretty much the same thing, but got a C-) when I WANT to be. Most of the time I just curse and talk like I do because nobody understands me otherwise. Not to mention that combining eloquence and profanity in interesting ways is pretty damn entertaining.
  • The friend mentioned above is the only person in this, or any other reality who I will ever admit is smarter then I am. I KNOW other people are more intelligent then I am, I just don't admit it or choose to pay much attention to this. (unless I am kissing someones ass, in which point I ditch this as soon as the ass in question is no longer useful)
  • I talk a mile a minute, which has next to nothing to do with my caffeine addiction.
  • I find humans to be endlessly fascinating, mostly because I don't know jack about humanity in general. I tried some experiments a while back to get a better idea...but those ended rather badly...I still study people, but I certainly don't tell them I am using them for research.
  • I apparently give out decent advice, but I only give it out to close friends (I have roughly two to three at any given time), NOT family.
  • I read a lot. Mostly fantasy fiction and sci-fi. I particularly enjoy the works of Pratchett, Tolkien, Turtledove, Coilfer, etc. But I LOATHE Twilight and the Twilight series. Why? For one, they bloody SPARKLE! I grew up reading Dracula, one of the few good books with Vampires has the main subject matter, you just cannot compare the two. For another, they set the bar too high, every girl wants a needy emo these days...
  • I am an Otaku, in that I read manga, watch anime, and game a little more then I probably should. But that's where I draw the line. Cosplay and such just seems...creepy, and borderline obsessive.
  • I don't care much about what I look like. Screw hygiene and fashion (Particularly the last one). If people start staring/complaining/stuff starts growing on me/I start itching too much, I shower. If its cheap and practical for the climate, I wear it.
  • I tried D&D once, and failed miserably, dying roughly five minutes into the campaign (Nobody told me you can't re-summon your familiar once the damn thing dies. My old DM tells the story every time she gets a new group and apparently does not have to pay royalties for telling the story...I just wanted a 12 pack of mountain dew a year...)
  • I have been compared to L from Death Note. Only because of the antisocial and borderline insanity thing. I have never been a detective, and have absolutely no desire to give it a try unless I can be very annoying with ti.
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  • I once chased three gangbangers half a mile swinging a desk chair like a battle axe and listening to their panicked screams. My reason for doing this? They called me gay and slapped my ass, which happens to be my berserk button (trope it). They stopped bothering anyone for some reason after this happened...
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  • I love Japanese food, particularly Sushi, Miso soup, and Yakisoba. I also enjoy traditional green tea (its the only drink I don't stick those cancer-packets in, it ruins the taste and makes the old Japanese woman who serves it at the local Sushi bar give you a nasty look and pick up a wicked looking knife. Apparently the Japanese take that "O" they tag onto it VERY seriously.)
  • I don't mind physical exercise, but I have to see some sort of point in it. Hiking six miles to see a pristine mountain view? I'll do it with gusto and enjoy ever minute of it. Running three miles because of an order from the JROTC teacher? Beats doing push-ups "until they get tired". Lifting weights for a few hours for no real reason aside from "getting buff"? Hell will burst loose from New Jersey and return to the depths of the Earth before you can get me to do that. *
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  • Like one out of six Americans, I have clinical depression (the doc thinks a thyroid working three times harder then it should be is to blame for this) I AM getting help for this and it is getting under control, slowly but surely anyway. I go back to the doctor the Monday after spring break, so hopefully by then I can get some answers and start fixing this damn thing.
  • Only a handful of people can tolerate being around me for any period of time (I am a WEIRD person), I hold them in high regard, so has a result, I help and protect them the best I can.
  • Due to all of the prior things, I have never had a girlfriend or a measurable social life (Though I know a girl or two who happen to think the chair thing was pretty bad-ass and I also have several female friends...who are all currently dating losers with a scraggly beard and are fluent in surfer lingo...). This has gotten slightly better over the years, but not by much. If you know any methods of getting a girl and choose to share them with me...I will completely ignore them, this is the internet, people. Sick stuff happens here.

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  1. Because Kain was the first TRUE dragoon. He can jump.
  2. People are saying Kain is a homo, yet his complete drive was for his lust/love for Rosa that brought out his dark side. Like Thomi said, any FFIV character would DESTROY any character from FF II or any other FF for that fact!

Votes for Ricard

  1. I actually like Kain a lot more, this is a pity vote as Ricard'll get slaughtered. Also, he's the only decent character from II besides Leon. Adam mcduck
  2. He's the first Dragoon. I prefer him to Kain, as he sacrificed himself for the lives of the party, instead of turning against them. Besides, he's kickass. - Henryacores
  3. BlueHighwind: I got this amazing losing streak going for the DNC. Last three fights I lost. Can I make it to five? Certainly if I continue to vote for the obvious loser. I only vote for Ricard because he's actually been in my party for a time (never played FFIV). When is Lulu vs. Edea going to happen?
  4. Chocobo Knight: Okay...so this is mostly...mostly a pity vote. I mean, Ricard's clearly going to lose, the poor guy. I mean, more people know Kain, and FF4 is more popular. But I do like Ricard. He was the first Dragoon, AND the first Highwind, damn it, that's gotta be worth something, right? Right?
  5. AnonyMan: Not only is Rich the progenitor of the Dragoon characters in FF, he's much cooler than Kain. It sucks he had to die, just like all of the better temporary party members did in FFII, leaving you with the extremely lame Main 4 at the end. He's also not very known, and FFII isn't very well liked game with those familiar with it. If it was Freya instead of Kain I can see why it'd be one-sided.
  6. dudutsai: I have never voted for Kain and will never vote for the weak minded backstabber. This is also to counter all the people who are going to vote Kain because they never played FFII.
  7. VitoRyu: Ricard.
  8. Pikmin Master: I may have given my lance to Kain (he deserved it and I hate lances), but I perfer Ricard. If anyone can freely dual-wield lances, than I'll be amazed. Plus, Ricard is losing, if not lost.
  9. Triforcel: Not a pity vote, I truely prefer Ricard to Kain. He kicks ass while Kain's a traitor whose friends keep forgiving for some reason.
  10. Alcaeus: Because he isn't an asshole.
  11. --High Summoner: I like my dragoons strong enough to not get possessed... Just saying.
  12. Chocolancer: Ricard was the first dragoon in the series. There would be no Kain if there was no Ricard. Also, Kain is a weak-willed emo asshole and I think his stats suck badly
  13. Voting for the obvious original. And DS Kain looks like he's wearing lipstick. Oath to Order 15:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  14. Is this a pity vote, or is Ricard just better? Otherarrow
  15. TacticAngel: I should say, in the grand scheme of things, I like both, but Ricard's major detractor is he can't jump and Kain's major detractor is that he frequently tries to kill the party because he is not of particularly strong will. I suppose that makes Ricard my choice.

Anonymous votes

  1. Kain! I am your Father! (that's not true, that's impossible)
  2. "Kain! I am your Father! (that's not true, that's impossible)"(с) But I like it^^"
  3. Ricard all the way...I think Kain's a homo lol
  4. I despised Kain
  5. It's hard not to give credit to the man who, in addition to inventing the Dragoon, also had Cecil's Dark Knight face first. Ricard wins this one, Kain, if only because he never stabbed me in the back.
  6. As much as I like Kain, Ricard can wield two lances and summon a Wyvern (admittedly not in battle). He also single handedly took on the final boss in the game, ok he lost but Kain never single handedly took on Zemus, Zeromus or Golbez.

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Drake Clawfang - I predict an early landslide for Kain within 24 hours.

I can't vote in good faith, seeing as how I haven't played Final Fantasy II yet. --Blykus 05:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Neither have I; didn't stop me. :p Drake Clawfang

This is EXTREMELY one sided in my eyes. Final Fantasy IV was an amazing game, and Final Fantasy II, while it is a good game, doesn't even compare to IV --ThomiDRAGOON 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Just don't think enough people have played II to make this an even fight -- Varehemsko 8 May 2008
I would say that the fact is sad, but yet FFII is at best mediocre. At worst, its battle system is almost as bad as FFVIII's. Do not ask how many times I had to use "Ultima" before it even began to do real damage. Do not. So Edea vs. Lulu, that ever going to happen? How 'bout Fran vs. Freya? --BlueHighwind 19:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Pablo618:BH, tell me is a lie that you haven't played FFIV! It's a must-play from the series! get an emulator and play it or wait for FFIV DS or something!

I never played the game on the GBA because during the period between FFI and FFV, I was too busy in the optional dungeons. Then there were a few other games I HAD to play (like Kingdom Hearts 2). Before I knew it, FFV was out and I didn't feel like waiting for the game that was supposively better than FFVII (it wasn't, I think I may have gotten it confused with FFVI at the time, which is also not as good as FFVII). Then I heard that it was coming out on the DS, so getting it on the GBA felt redundant. --BlueHighwind 21:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Pablo618:Well, there are Emulators to consume your spare time
At Pikmin - Mog and Edgar can both dual-wield Lances, as well as the cast of V. Drake Clawfang
But you have to have Genji Glove. I think he means naturally. Also, in V didn't you need to have an ability? -dudutsai

A better fight would be Freya vs. Kain, but thats already been done. The only dragoon that Ricard could beat is Kimahri. --ThomiDRAGOON 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No, even though it was only a job, the first Dragoon that could jump was from FFIII. And Minh/Mindu/Minwu was the best character from FFII. --Alcaeus

Any character from IV could DESTROY basically every person from II. It seriously baffles me that Ricard has so many votes --ThomiDRAGOON 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Nobody really cares about this fight. It was obvious from day 1 that Kain would win, that's why Ricard has so many votes. They are pity votes from people who like to route for the underdog. --BlueHighwind 19:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I would've voted for Kain but I won't because I haven't finished FFII. Not to mention meeting Ricard yet. I don't like Kain that much but I don't know how Ricard is like.--VN

Week 67: Zack v. Oh, wait, I'm not Zack

Cloudhalfadvent
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Zack Fair
45 to 31½

In honor of the release of Crisis Core, we honor the game by asking this important question; who has more fun in SOLDIER? Blondes or Brunettes? A better question might be, which of these 2x4 toting heroes should Aeris be dating?

Votes for Cloud

  1. NickCaligo42: Gotta go with Cloud. Between the guy who engaged Sephiroth in a heated fight and LOST and the guy who beat him by FLINGING him with his own sword--while it was STILL INSIDE HIS GUT--I'm gonna go with the latter. Zack never gives in to despair, but that's because he's never faced any real despair. He had his life HANDED to him on a gold platter. Cloud had to fight for his life; for his identity. He had to watch as the love of his life hung on the arms of his hero and his best friend while he had to hide behind a mask in shame, walking in their shadows as they lived the dream that he had strived and FAILED to attain. He had to face control at the hands of the hero he'd worshipped and tried to become for so long. True enough he fought with Zack's sword for a time, but in the end he built his own sword; found his own strength. He has a kind of strength that dorky clown Zack couldn't even hope to fake.
  2. ChiefKakashi: Because that's the coolest picture of Cloud EVER.
  3. BlueHighwind: This is more about what game he is the star of and who he hangs out with than who Cloud is. Also the Ultima Weapon with Omnislash is kickass.
  4. Shyny: I cannot deny, that Zack is a wonderful person. Cloud might seem weak at times. But he still is a hero. Heroes are not perfect. Nor is Cloud. But that makes him much more believeable. And as was mentioned above me, combo Ultima Weapon+Omnislash is really awesome. I beat Safer Sephiroth with only that used at the beginning of the battle. Cloud all the way.
  5. Big mamou: My vote for Cloud is based on the events in the reactor on Mt. Nibel. Despite not being anywhere near as powerful, Cloud defeats Sephiroth despite being impaled. That was his real moment of heroism, long before the events of Final Fantasy VII or AC.
  6. 8bit_BlackMage: He's the main character of a game much loved by most FF fans. Zack is the main character of a spinoff for a console that no one purchases.
  7. Zack is the man, but I am going with the main hero from VII on this one.(minus the AC version) --Oranejo 01:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  8. Xadren: Cloud is the protagonist of Final Fantasy VII, no FF7 no Crisis Core. Also Zack's role in the main game is very short. Cloud defeated Sephiroth, saved the world and his friends (although not all of them). You must not consider AC, this is a FF7 fight! Last but not least: I think many people will vote for Zack only because they're a group of fanatic girls going crazy for the first cool guy they see. But not so many of them appreciated Zack in the first game. Who knows why...
  9. Triforcel: Well, lacking any and all desire to own a PSP, it'll be a long time before I play Crisis core and learn the full story of Zach. That being said though, I feel that Cloud is a good character and hero who gets a lot of flak that he doesn't deserve.
  10. Skoot85: Nothing wrong with an ambiguous personality. Horrible to put things on the psp
  11. Fuzzy McTeddyfluff: Cloud, because he can break the fourth wall. Pretty awesome stuff.
  12. Sora G. Strife: Cloud rocks.
  13. Varehemsko: Even though Cloud looks like he's gonna lose this one, I'm still voting for him. Zack never mattered to me too much; besides, Aerith got what she wanted out of him in the end anyway and they lived happily ever after in the Lifestream or some such. For all of the complaining that people think Cloud does, he's no different from normal people (take AC for example, he doesn't want to fail people, but doesn't know how he'll go about it or who to rely on if he can't rely on himself). It's human to doubt. Humanity makes a character worth voting for and Cloud is that character.
  14. Dark Dragoon I´ll vote for Cloud on this one just because he killed sephiroth who is the best ff boss in the entire series. Zack just sucks really bad
  15. LegendxMakaveli: I vote for cloud because he has killed sephiroth two times first at the end of FF7 and again in FF7 Advent Children. This is not about fucking love with Ariths this is about who is going to kill who and cloud would kill zack even if cloud is a emo poser. Zack tried to kill sephiroth but faild so that is why cloud wins.
  16. Mergal: Not because Cloud is the main character who started the entire Final Fantasy VII compilation, not because his moves are truly badass, but because his character is one of the most difficult to understand. In Advent Children, though the term emo might sound harsh, it is true that Cloud really is emo--especially if you read Case of Tifa. With Zack dying, and Aerith dying in practically the same year, would even you not be grieving? And the involvement in AVALANCHE, Sector 7 bombing (it was done by the Turks though), Sector 1 bombing... Cloud had a lot to go through; not many friends in his childhood at Nibelheim, apparently living alone with his mother--it's like his life was made out of unfortunate events. In Final Fantasy VII, what made it so lovable was that the player was able to choose what Cloud was thinking--a true RPG game. Not making SOLDIER, thus not fulfilling his promise to Tifa, may have been the most defining event that makes him so popular; meeting Zack [uber special] and being able to absorb pure S cells because he never went through the SOLDIER(mako/Jenova cell) surgery [thus gaining a body that is practically SOLDIER material and pretty mentally and psychologically screwed up].
  17. ShadowLaguna: I may prefer brunettes over blondes, and I think Aeris should date Zack mainly because both of them are dead. However, I still think Cloud is a better character.
  18. Genesis rhapsodos
  19. actiondan: err.. sorry.. but Cloud.. I dont care about time chronology.. FF7 was the first.. therefore Cloud is the original.. I really strongly doubt.. that Zack was made.. and Cloud then based on him.. so Zack in many respects, is just a Cloud part 2.. rather than the other way around
  20. cloud-s: Cloud is the original zack is just a bitch
  21. TacticAngel: I actually like both of these characters. I'm pretty sure I'd vote for whoever had the fewest votes also. They function very well as foils for one another.

Anonymous votes

  1. Cloud hands down. As much as I think Zack is cool, Cloud is the main man of FFVII. He is a character with a story unique and interesting. Everyone here is only looking at how Cloud basically stole Zack's dreams and crap like that, and that doesn't make Zack the better character. Zack is too basic and a side character. His background is unoriginal compared to Cloud and his role in the story is only to push the hero, Cloud, forward on the hero's journey. Does anyone even remember Cloud's background before he became a Shinra crony? He was a quiet and anti-social kid who was looked down on and wanted to impress Tifa by becoming a SOLDIER. Zack didn't face such hardships in his life and was somewhat a "pure" character all the way. A hero is someone with flaws and Zack didn't really have flaws. To be honest I don't like Cloud that much (Squall is my favorite) but his story is alot more interesting that Zack's. Everyone only looks at the basic detail, Cloud=emo and Zack=not emo. It's all poor interpretation. Cloud Strife hands down.
  2. It is true that much of the original game of FFVII was Cloud with Zack's memories, BUT, this is one of the reasons FF VII is a great game. The main character finds that he is not what he remembers himself to be. Zack is great but Cloud becomes stronger eventually :P
  3. This is hard to choose for me. I have played Crisis Core but I'll go with Cloud. Sorry Zack, but Cloud has the First Tsurugi and better limits. Live long Omnislash Ver. 5! Plus he lived. Cloud had more potential than Zack had for SOLDIER, he just hadn't shown it and thats why he didn't get in. thats all. Also, just cuz Cloud beat Sephiroth doesn't mean he is stronger, its just that it was harder for Zack because he had personal ties with him while Cloud did not. I'm just being fair.
  4. Yumiko: *sigh* This is hard but since Cloud is losing I pick him. also i just want to add that alot of people on this site forgot the golden age of FF. Just because something new comes along everyone flocks to keep up with the changes. I mean now you say Balthier is cool and stuff but in a few years you'll scorn him and worship another "hero". Cloud is not emo or whatever. He has a deep past and Zack is cool but I cant stand people hating Cloud.
  5. this is tough but i'll go for cloud as even though he's no SOLDIER but he still beat sephiroth which i think zack couldn't do
  6. cloud is the main character of final fantasy vii, it was his story and zack was someone he idolised, i just think that even though cloud is incredibly emo and annoying he still deserves the attention as after all it was his story and he's blonde, let zack have aeris, yuffie and cloud :)
  7. Gamefreak520: This is a tough choice, but I have to go with Cloud. He is the one who eventually defeated Sephiroth, not just once, but twice. And Omnislash just kicks butt!!
  8. I have to go with the one i dress as at conventions due to my hair type. Also I own a First Tsurugi Replica before I owned a Buster Sword replica.
  9. Just for the fight scene in AC that kicked behind.
  10. Cloud rocks...cuz he dressed up as a gurl XD
  11. In madien who tavels the planet it says that she "loved (Cloud) much more than her first love"
  12. Etch: Though both are really awesome characters, clouds always gonna have that place in my heart cuz i grew up with him. Despite what all the trolls say about cloud being emo n everything its hard to deny that he is one of the defining main characters in the series. But either way im not gonna be mad with the outcome cuz zacks great too.
  13. Zack had it easy. Poor Cloud.
  14. It was a tough decision between Zack and Cloud, but since Zack himself has said that Cloud is his living legacy--choosing Cloud means that they both win.
  15. Cloud! Definitely Cloud. Self-trained, kicked Sephiroth's ass THREE times! Blonde! CLOUD!
  16. Because he's so beautiful!!! :-P
  17. Cloud was just a great main character; he had his flaws and was seen as a failure but he was fun when he wasnt stuck in his own little head. Not only that but Omnislash. I can say no more
  18. Clod. He is still alive. Thus, he wins.
  19. Cloud. Because Omnislash does some serious work.
  20. Go Cloud!
  21. I think that over the course of FF7 Cloud goes from being much weaker than Zack to much stronger. Plus the fact that Cloud's beat Sephiroth a few times now and Zack couldn't even do it once. It's pretty much a fact that Cloud could beat Zack in a fight.

Votes for Zack

  1. kitkat666: Okay, anyone whose played the games, can see how much better suited Zack is for Aerith. Not to metnion, Zack dies, just trying to make it back to her! He loved her till the end, and she was their for him in one of his greatest times of need *wont spoil*. I wont say Cloud doesn't love her as well; he just does in a different sense. Z+A 4 EVA!!!!!
  2. Zack equals NOT AN EMU POSER BITCH. Plus zack is roxxor to the max.--Superaeon35 20:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. Zack has honor and dreams. Cloud has Zack's dreams. That's how it is. And Aerith should be with her real love, you know, the one who she sent 89 letters in 4 years having no reply. - Henryacores
  4. Adam mcduck: Cloud never was that great &, though I haven't played Crisis Core, Zack's story seems to hold more depth & heroism; Cloud's is partially based on Zack's anyway for a little while.
  5. Chocobo Knight: Yeah, he just seems like a nice guy, preferable (I'm sorry if I've spelt that wrong) to Cloud.
  6. Sora_Rainstorm: Yup, don't really like both of them that very muuch; but I have to go with Zack, mainly because I lost all respect for Cloud when I found out he didn't make it as a SOLDIER *cough* wuss!! He tried to act all badass in the beginnig just because he thought he was a SOLDIER. Anyways, Zack had Aeris for a girlfriend, and that's good enough for me. Cloud didn't seem to appeal to me, like these other fangirls. But I guess he's okay.
  7. Oath to Order 22:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  8. Hexed
  9. AnonyMan: Don't really like Zack, but he's a decent character he's got more personality than 90% of the FFVII cast. His hairstyle pretty cool too. While Cloud is just a screwed up lucky, glorified renat-a-cop, he has a few moments of coolness. Like when he muscled Sephiroth into the Lifestream whiled impaled, but thanks to the lackluster Compilation, that now apparently didn't happen, which means Cloud lost even more face in my eyes.
  10. Blykus 23:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  11. Man this is a hard one. Wait, no it's not. Zack > Cloud period -Azul 23:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  12. Drake Clawfang:Just watched those Kefka vs. Sephiroth vids, and the intro convinced me. Plus, he gets into Aeris' pants while Cloud spends the entire game around Tifa and sleeps next to her. More power to Zack.
  13. Nashblade: Well I'd love to spell out the battle like Auron vs Balthier, but Costly Punch (the move that broke Crisis Core) causes this battle to be over before it begins. Otherwise, Omnislash (if its damage limit increased) would own Rush Assault...oh, this question is about who Aeris should be dating? Um...she said Zack was her first love, and never mentions loving Cloud, so cheapo here still wins my vote.
  14. Aleria: I hate to follow the crowd, but not actually having played VII, I have to go with the coolest hair.
  15. Lockhart: After playing Crisis Core, it's hard not to pick Zack. Not only is he better than Cloud, whom I'm a huge fan of, he's one of the best characters in the entire Final Fantasy lexicon. Embrace your dreams.
  16. Yuan: Didn't really like either of them, but Zack gets points for character, even if he is hyperactive.
  17. SCM: I was gonna pity vote Cloud but then came to my senses.
  18. I do not hesistate this time. Cloud is cool but he didn't appeal much to me. But when Zack has his own game, oh my GOD, is he lovable or what? He could be everybody's best friend, he's a people person. He's your ideal fantasy game (and irl) hero (lol amazing how a former NPC can get this popular!) --VN
  19. Dark raven : Because Cloud sucks.
  20. Onewingedangel 10:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC) Cloud is pathetic!!!!!!!!!(I'm saying this because i'm.....well)
  21. Khakishro: Cloud is cool and if the person had not metioned Aeris I would be voting for Cloud. But Aeris was just flirting with Cloud, I don't think she was truly serious with him at ALL. Besides Tifa had dibs. So Zack win Aeris. Also Zack is an all around cool guy, you can't help but think he is a nice person, while Cloud....
  22. Jammi568: No Zack, no VII as we know and love.
  23. MK: Aerith only liked Cloud because he reminded her of Zack. Just another reason Cloith won't work. Cloud is a failure, Zack actually made it into SOLDIER
  24. Zolo He didn't look like he was always emo.
  25. 26 Zack would own Cloud in a fight. Zack fought for the ideas and people he loved. In my opinion he is way better than Cloud. Another thig to keep in mind when Zack fought he did so alone. Cloud had what 8 people in his corner to help him.Hanvy82 09:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
  26. Cloud was Zack for half the game(He was insane....)Blackheart1991 11:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
  27. Masamune: Everything good about Cloud was just stolen and copied form Zack. Plus, he's just a more likable main character.
  28. VitoRyu: Zack. (again)
  29. gokus789: Gotta go with Zack. As cool as cloud may be I just couldn't relate to him as a character. Zack was much more badass
  30. SacredMist: Definitely Zack. I never really understood why Cloud was so popular... he attempted to live Zack's life and yet he can't measure up to Zack at all.
  31. ThomiDRAGOON: Not only is Zack a complete BADASS. He can use jump, the coolest ability in FF.
  32. Otherarrow: Zack is a far better character.
  33. Cactuar83:Zack is a lot better than an impostor who lived his entire "life" thinking he was Zack.
  34. Wizard Elidibus: Zack is way stronger than Cloud...Zack defeated superboss Minerva while Cloud needed like 2 MORE people to beat one WEAPON!!
  35. Pablo618: I hated cloud's cameo on KH2 (why give him a story?). I lost all respect for him at that moment, SE, stop pleasing fangirls that much, there are better things you could do
  36. BlueSilver Zack IS Cloud... sort of... in the first game and i liked him there but then colud became all emo and completly lost it.
  37. xhirotox : Zack is the TRUE hero of FINAL FANTASY VII!! So He MUST win, without his help, Cloud (that I love too) was never the man he is now! So VIVA ZACK-sama!!


Anonymous votes

  1. Zack, the puppy, is a totally awesome character that is the reason Final Fantasy VII as a timeline exists. He had connections with Sephiroth becoming the villain he is now, saving Genesis [I think] for Angeal's wish (I think Genesis is going to come back in another Final Fantasy VII sequel, looking at the Dirge of Cerberus ending), really dating Aerith [come on guys, everyone knows this, he loves Aerith], and perhaps making some of Cloud's limit breaks. Zack's Octaslash and Meteor Shot can be compared to Cloud's Omnislash/Omnislash Version 5 [a revised 15 slashes than 8] and well--Meteor Shot.
  2. Zack is such a beast. He can own anyone!
  3. I have to tell you, I think Zack is waaay better than Cloud, (I mean his story). So... sorry Cloud, but my vote goes for Zack :P
  4. Zack. He has more personality, and I don't really like blonds.
  5. PLAY CRISIS CORE. Zack is a Billy Bad Ass, and Cloud is a emo douchebag who gets motion sickness and couldn't make it in SOLDIER! Plus: Costly Punch, Death Twister, Vital Slash, etc.. are better moves than anything Cloud could ever do.
  6. I'm apoligize to anyone who ever was obsessed with Cloud, seeing as Zack was the reason Cloud even gave a damn about saving the world. Zack had honor, he had ambition, he had a strive to be a hero that Cloud could NEVER reach. Sure, Cloud saved the world and everything, but if you played Crisis Core (which the majority of people who choose Cloud didn't) Zack tells Cloud in his face that he is Zack's honor, dreams, and hopes. That Cloud was Zack's living legacy. So if you think about it, because Zack bestowed everything he is onto Cloud, Cloud basically became Zack. So in essence, Zack saved the world of Jenova, of Sephiroth, of Geostigma, & of Meteor. Hands down, Zack is why Final Fantasy VII even exists, if you can't respect that, then vote for Cloud. Be my guest.
  7. Zack looks better with Aerith! At least he's not a EMO :)
  8. Lowly Emo Guard < BADASS SOLDIER 1st
  9. Zack is everything Cloud wishes he could be.
  10. Zack is wonderful! He's the best puppy ever!
  11. Zack saved the world by himself, no help from other party members. Zack saved Clouds ass from Shin-Ra troops. Zack could of left Cloud to die but no, He's a true hero, He has honor, pride and loyalty to a friend that never did anything for him. If he wasn't such a Nice guy, FFVII would have never happened. Sure, Cloud is cool, but Zack is the man.
  12. Zack's abilities are leagues better than most of Cloud's, save for Omnislash. He can beat Genesis without breaking a sweat, and hold up better with Sephiroth than Cloud ever could (he can do pretty well in the two fights with Sephy, as long as you don't suck).
  13. Zack is way better then cloud. Cloud would be nothing if not for Zack.
  14. Even Cloud fans must admit, he wouldnt be worth anything to FFVII without Zack there to help him before then. And even after Zacks death, all Cloud could do was copy him to make people like him.
  15. Zack is -the- hero. His death is cooler than all of Cloud's life (including the famous scene in the Nibelheim reactor 'five years ago').
  16. Don't get me wrong, I adore Cloud. I think despite his Emo tendencies in Advent Children that he's a good hero, but him and Aerith together...not so much. She was made for Zack. Zack is confident enough in his skin to protect her when she needs it, but also make her stronger. On that same line, Aerith can be a partner and loving figure to him when he has to deal with the multitude of Shin-Ra related hell. Cloud is the reluctant hero, not quite as sure of himself and needs someone to kick him in the butt once in a while to give him the boost he needs *cough*Tifa*cough*. So, as much as I love both Zack and Cloud, and think they're absolutely kick ass in their own ways, Zack and Aerith belong together.

Peanut Gallery

Who's been titleing these last few fights? Only I think it's all getting just a little stilted.

I have, and you're welcome. Also, titling is spelled without an e. --TacticAngel 20:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, would you look at that. TA telling someone how to spell. :P --Mymindislost 23:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Mergal 11:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)I dunno if this might be just a trick played on the majority of us by Square Enix or whatever, but I was thinking, doesn't Cloud at Mt. Nibel reactor, slice Sephiroth through without him noticing? What I saw, was that Sephiroth was talking to 'mother' and then suddenly Cloud takes the Buster sword and just impales Sephiroth through to Jenova's container? [no blood of course...] I think this is a bit more plausible, than Cloud being stronger than Sephiroth, at the time. Then again, in the game Crisis Core, Cloud runs ridiculously faster than Zack, if you are following him to the reactor. And Zack kinda weakens Sephiroth beforehand... I DUNNO! Random note: some one cut up my vote and put it as extra votes for Cloud. That not fair guy! "This guy are sick." ~ Aerith


I feel kinda sorry for Cloud. Though stealing Zack's memories was bad, he did feel sorry for it after he remembered what really happened. Then he had to rebuild himself. He deserved it, but... --ChiefKakashi 20:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I used to feel sorry for Cloud. Ten years ago when it was just FFVII, the guy had been delt a bad hand. But when he was still in broody whiney form in Advent Children (EVEN THOUGH THAT SHIT HAD BEEN SOLVED WITH TIFA IN THE LIFESTREAM!! DOESN'T ANYBODY AT SQUARE GIVE A FUCK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN FFVII ANY MORE!!!) he lost all respect from me. --BlueHighwind 20:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, but at least Marlene and Tifa told him to grow up. --ChiefKakashi 21:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
And half the movie is wasted replaying plot points that we've been over before. Cloud is difficult to relate to. Cloud is sad because Aeris died. Cloud is connected to Sephiroth. While all that bullshit is playing, more and more running is wasted not showing Sephiroth. If Square couldn't think of a new plotline for this guy then he shouldn't have had an extra movie. --BlueHighwind 21:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
But BH, "the plot's on crack, just go with it." (I really don't like AC that much, It's just nice to look at.) --ChiefKakashi 21:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
the director of AC isn't the same person who directed the original game. That's why it made me think "I thought he got over it?". But you guys have to read "The Maiden who Travel the Planet", "Case of Tifa" and "Case of Denzel" (from the Ultimania book thingy. There is the translation somewhere in the internet)to understand what actually happened to him. But you don't have to believe what happened in the short stories because the writers had nothing to do with the original storyboard...so says a friend of mine --VN 1 May 2008

I'm not voting in this one because I haven't played Crisis Core yet and thus can't make a decision on Zack or Cloud outside of the expressionless text boxes of FFVII. All I can say is I hope that this will be another good fight. May the best man win. --Tex 20:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't like AC Emo Cloud, but VII Cloud was an asshole who gouged a small-time terrorist group, didn't care about the fate of the planet and impersonated Zack. Cloud also hung out with two hot chicks who were both interested in him. But he didn't make a move on either of them! Zack on the other hand did all the stuff Cloud thought he did, and unlike Cloud, Zack had it going on with Aeris, which I envy. This vote will take some time to make. Cloud's an ass, but on the other hand, Zack got Aeris. Drake Clawfang

@Sora: Just because a character appealed to you, that doesn't automatically make a fangirl. --ChiefKakashi 22:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I say Zack will win 40-10. Anyone disagree? --ChiefKakashi 23:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Nobody else seems to have played FFVII here, so they wouldn't understand the power of Omnislash with the Ultima Weapon. Obviously Cloud will lose. --BlueHighwind 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Honestly, I'm a little surprised by the early voting. I guess we will just have to see. These things are notoriously hard to predict. In any case, I like and dislike aspects of both of them for very different reasons. --TacticAngel 02:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

@Big Mamou: Cloud didn't defeat Sephiroth at the Nibel Reactor while impaled by his sword: Sephiroth jump off to the pit of the reactor in panic after Cloud lifted the blade, making him head to the Northern Crater. - Henryacores

I believe that is only in Last Order. In FFVII and Crisis Core it is Cloud tossing Sephiroth.--Oranejo 03:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Here's what happened, for all those in the cheap smelly seats out in the Continuation of FFVII. Cloud ran in and stabbed Sephiroth with the Buster Sword he picked up from the beaten corpse of that pansey Zack. Sephiroth grabbed Jenova's head, and stabbed Cloud through the chest with his Masamune. Cloud seemed defeated, but then lifted up the blade with his bare hands, and threw Sephiroth down into the Lifestream. Which I must admit, is one of the most badass things ever. --BlueHighwind 12:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Cloud may have faults, but like BH said, Cloud tossing Sephiroth into the Lifestream is one of the most badass moments in Final Fantasy. --Big mamou
Not to mention that he slept with Tifa at the end of Disc 2. Everybody just seems to gloss over that fact. --BlueHighwind 18:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

TA, you HAVE to do an all-FFIV fight in July. ONLY IF YOU MAKE ME THIS ONE PROMISE will I vote in this fight which only passed by 1 vote and most of the for votes were anons. There are a lot of fights, including Edea-Lulu, Freya-Fran, and Vivi-Aeris. --Crazyswordsman 18:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and is there a reason you chose the ugly prettyboy art rather than the original? --Crazyswordsman 19:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Well I have seen Cloud called a lot of names around the internet and what not, but that is the first time I have ever seen him called an Emu.(vote #1 for Zack :P)--Oranejo 19:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The plot of Crisis core and the fighting was awesome...I now offically saw somthing I didnt think was possible..somone cooler than Sephiroth..Genesis. Meanwhile, AC was made before Crsis core and many others because it was probably gonna be like X-2...the only continuation, and they couldn't come up with a good plot, so they half assed it and then just amde the fighting really amazing but had a crappy plot. Tho I have to say, I do love the fighitn in it, and it likely did help to make the fighting so goood for Crisis core, becauase it was a way to give them experience b4 they made the game. meanwhile, I also think that abilities wise, Zack and Cloud are even. But Cloud just isnt that liekable in persnality, while I like Zacks personality. Chipmonk329

Is it just me or is there an anti-emo sentiment going about these days? I can never tell such things. That aside, I dispute the label, and postulate that if Cloud were your typical emo, he'd probably keep a razor spare, because God knows, you can't slit your wrists with a Buster Sword... Also some people seem to have a problem with Cloud and his woman problems. Anyone would think that having cool (and importantly, blond) hair like Cloud's and a physique like his is supposed to be unattractive. Besides put yourself in his shoes; do you date Ms Nature, with all the sentimental stuff men like in women or Ms Earth, with all the body any red-blooded male would want? (That isn't to say that one doesn't have the other's attributes either but there you go). OK so he's been engineered. I don't see Neo and Trinity complaining... I agree with BH about Omnislash too. It's saved my skin a few times. --Varehemsko
Wow, it looks like Cloud is making one big comeback -- YuanchosaanSalutations! 09:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

A little bit, yeah. But I think the only thing that can save him is anon votes. --ChiefKakashi 17:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Why was I deleted from Zack? I am a user...so why delete me? I cant help that it wont send my password to my email when I want it to..jeez, I signed it and everything and it deleted my vote..I call a baias..since it must be as such because Cloud is winning and I'm deleted..no doubt others were too, as a way to give Cloud an unfair advantage..delet people who voted Zack...tho this is just a theory..--Chipmonk329

Yeah, sure, TA loves Cloud soo much that he deletes votes for Zack. Hahahahahahaa. Dark raven
You have to log in. Otherwise, it looks like an IP user is using your profile. --ChiefKakashi 19:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The rules are posted on the top of the page. If you are not logged in when posting, you cannot vote as a user. I delete all votes of this kind, including 2 for Cloud today. Long story short, play by the rules or you don't play at all. --TacticAngel 21:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

i wonder if there'll be an Aeris vs Tifa next... --VN 3 May 2008

If you want that fight, put it on the suggestion page. --ChiefKakashi 00:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
If i did, would I be able to vote then? --VN 3 May 2008
Yes. --ChiefKakashi 21:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Damn. I'm at a loss. Personally, I like Zack's personality better and I think that he and Aeris made a better couple than her and Cloud. That being said, Cloud was undoubtedly the better hero in the end. I mean, come on, he killed Sephiroth. I guess I just can't decide between the confused hero or the guy with the better personality... --Rydiaofmist
You could do a pity vote... --ChiefKakashi 22:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey BH! Zack has Octoslash, check it on youtube (although all the videos are shit)Pablo618 01:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

That is only eight slashes though. I like the Genesis limit the best, it is funny to watch a bunch of soldiers drop dead at the same time after it is used.--Oranejo 14:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Octoslash sucks. 8 hits of 300 HP does not even come CLOSE to fifteen hits of 9999. Don't make me laugh. --BlueHighwind 11:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Are you at level 15 or something?!?!?! MY Octaslash deals 8 hits of 25,000+ each time, but I have the Genji Glove equipped. Even at level 15 my octaslash did way more than 300 damage. How far are you in Crisis Core? --ThomiDRAGOON 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm in Gongaga and on level 23. In my last battle with Sephiroth, Octoslash did 300 - 500 damage per slash. It was on level 5. Angeal's thing is much stronger. --BlueHighwind 19:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks like even Zack pummels Cloud in the DNC. Has Cloud's demeanor in Kingdom Hearts(guessing here never played any of them) and Advent Children pretty much screwed him over from even coming close in fights anymore?--Oranejo 00:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I can understand that. If I knew this was a fight between Cloud and Sora in a black haircut in the first place, I might have voted differently. Well, actually Sora can fucking JUMP in his fighting game, so Zack sucks. --BlueHighwind 01:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I so wish I could vote on this. But I've only seen Cloud on Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts. Which means I only know shit about one and basically nothing on the other. sighs --Mjka

Just wondering if we can end the slaughter of Cloud already, and move onto something else.

Week 66: Auron v. Balthier

Winner!!
Auron
40 to 31
I'm not sure what the motivation about this is aside from the two most unreasonably popular male characters in the FFWiki, one might even say over-rated. In any case, here they are, your favorites. Who dies?

Votes for Auron

  1. NickCaligo42: I just have to go with Auron. He represents a time when Final Fantasy was slightly more tasteful than what it's become; a time when it was the pinnacle of modern gaming, respected amongst fans and critics alike. Today, largely in thanks to Balthier and the game he's a part of--though I won't count out Crisis Core and Kingdom Hearts--all they see is a shallow game full of androgynous juvenile male leads designed solely to please fangirls. Don't get me wrong, if I had to choose someone from FFXII that I'd say I liked it'd be Balthier, hands down, and were he fighting Tidus I'd be voting differently, but Auron wins this one. He's a stronger character from a stronger game with a stronger story. Plus he has Triple Overdrive and Break Damage Limit going for him, and since he doesn't need to blow all his MP to do his ultimate attacks Balthier would genuinely be screwed the second he used one of those lame quickenings.
  2. Adam mcduck: Auron's the badass, Balthier's the leading man... Badasses are more fun so Auron wins, though I won't mind if Balthier wins.
  3. Omega MK 54: Auron has some of the best lines in FFX, and his mysterious nature makes him even better
  4. Jammi568: Auron, because he can be middle aged, and be cool
  5. Blykus 08:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. Henryacores: Auron is epic.
  7. Dark raven: That's obvious.
  8. Lockhart: Although Balthier is awesome, he can not compare to all that is Auron. Auron may very well be the best character in the series.
  9. Actiondan: Balthier has the lines, but Auron has everything else =].
  10. Tex: I'm one of the few who doesn't use Balthier much in FFXII, but Auron in FFX is in the fight most of the time. Plus Tornado > Element of Treachery IMO. Plus, I like Auron's Theme and his cool and calm mannerisms...Auron, hands down.
  11. OtO: Balthier is a disgrace to Final Fantasy. A total and complete ripoff of other good characters in media, but it utterly failed. He's weak, horribly designed, and has bad lines. He's all talk and not enough action.
  12. NOOOOO!!! I refuse to let Auron lose to this overconfident bastard! Go auron!--Superaeon35 20:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  13. Bartz235: Pretty much what superaeon said. Auron is epic, powerful, and wise. Balthier is overconfident, snobby, and his reputation to Auron is nothing. Everyone in Spira knows Auron, while Balthier is a pirate noob who got lucky that he ended up with an amazing kick-ass viera to do the fighting and piloting for him.
  14. Chocolancer: Auron is the badass of badass, period...(leading man...pssshhh!)
  15. Sora_Rainstorm: "Now! This is it! Now is the time to chose! Die and be free of pain; or live and fight your sorrow!! Now is the time to shape your story, YOUR FATE IS IN YOUR HANDS!!!" Auron aall the waay for me baby! Not only is he the best character in FFX (or in history of all characters); he's cool, he's wise, he's strong, he's sexy, he's mysterious. I don't give a damn if he's middle aged; he still looking pretty good for an unsent! Balthier stands no chance against Auron's HUGE kantana! If Auron can still keep his cool when hearing all of Tidus' whinning, he can win with no sweat. You can't loose, Auron! BEAT HIS ASS!!
  16. TheSwordofDoubt: 我真的要说吗?
  17. Dr. mcfishers: I'd have to go for Auron. Auron's an awesome badass shadow-of-glory hero and Balthier hides behind Fran.
  18. AK-47: How in the name of Lock, Stock and two weed-smoking scottish pipers is this even a fight? Balthier is as good a character as anything Lindsay Lohan's every played in any movie ever. Guys who voted for Balthier, you can officially go buy yourself little hats with the word "retard" on them right now. And give them to BlueHighwind!
  19. Mjka: Don't get me wrong, I like Balthier, [being that sexy should be illegal], but there's no way in all the Farplane that the wandering unsent ronin can lose to the metrosexual sky pirate. No way. Especially since technically he can't die again. GO AURON! USE YOUR BUSHIDO TO KICK HIS SEXY ASS!
  20. Dancing Daggers: No doubt; Auron is by far the coolest character out there. Not necessarily my favorite, but certainly the coolest. Auron is the badass who crawled from Zanarkand over a f*cking mountain and all the way to Bevelle before eventually snuffing it, and then STILL refusing to go to the afterlife. That makes him even more of a badass monster then Vincent Valentine in my opinion. In contrast Balthier is just up himself.
  21. Arausio:This battle has already been decided as has everything in life kick his ass Auron
  22. Defunctzombie: Auron, hands down. May not look the best, but anyone who attacks with his wine is best in my book.
  23. Falbub: Very tough choice, but I'm voting for Auron here. Auron is kickass, and he had to put up with Tidus. TIDUS. This pretty much means he has the patience of a saint.
  24. Kenjutsukata1o1: Auron is a classic character, and as Final Fantasy X was the very first Final Fantasy I ever played, he was one of the first characters I was introduced to- and to this day he remains one of my favourite characters of the series (and the only character I've ever cosplayed as!). He's dedicated, strong, loyal, and has all the awesome samurai type characteristics for added awesomeness. Balthier's just... blah. I'll admit, at first he amused me, but he got old really quick. I'm sorry, the characters in Final Fantasy XII just don't get very good development, and even if they did, Auron would clean house with any of them. Go Auron!
  25. RaggleFraggleVoteyBoaty AzureDrake 03:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  26. Hydronisa It's AURON, DAMMIT!! He BLEEDS Testosterone! FIGHT OVER!!!
  27. Blackheart191: He actually has a F&@%$ing pair.....
  28. Skoot85 He is crippled and still OWNS
  29. Terra_Homing: Auron's just badass. I don't really like balthier, shocking but true.
  30. Varehemsko: Auron simply outweighs Balthier in so many respects. Men like Balthier you follow because they are leaders. Men like Auron you fear and respect, because he talks with his actions, and his actions HURT. Also Bushido works better for me than Fires of War/Tides of Fate/Element of Treachery
  31. Leiber Mage: While surprising to know that Balthier is son to FFXII's Cid and has a very coo attitude, the fact of the matter is Auron can kick ass more than anyone else, and has more character development than he does. Plus, Auron has put up with Tidus who is, I'd say a little more childish than Vaan (but just a little)
  32. RedMage I like swords.
  33. Kami strife 17:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Auron gets my vote simply because he is Auron. Someone with his level of badass-ness doesn't need anything more.

Anonymous votes

  1. no comment, why not have sed(lost odyssey) vs cid
  2. OMG!! This would be a very good one, I think Auron is the best ffx character and i don´t like Balthier so i gotta go with Auron. Balthier may be the leading man but Auron IS THE MAN!!-- SaBin TOny
  3. Balthier is awesome, but not even the leading man can beat the legendary undead gaurdian of FFX.
  4. got to go with Auron on this one
  5. If Auron needed a wallet to keep money in, the likelyhood is that it would have on the front the words 'Bad Ass M***** F*****'. The only character in the whole of ff IMO who looks like he can actually pull off swinging a supermassive sword; most look unable to even pick it up. He does it dead, age of death over 40 -and with sunglasses on. Noone else in ff10 seems to wear sunglasses; its like he was so cool -he invented em in Spira. Balthier wouldn't stand a chance.
  6. Auron would TOTALLY win this one. he would also win it as an UNSENT BADASS.
  7. I'm rather fond of both of them, actually, but I'm of the opinion that it's hard to defeat someone who's already dead. I'm putting my money on Auron.
  8. Auron is da maaan! Auron could kick Balthier's ass any day!
  9. How can you make me choose? I love both of them so much. The battle would probably depend on luck. With Auron's kick-ass sword he could probably beat Balthier without breaking a sweat. BUT (let's assume Balthier's using his default weapon[gun]) if Balthier can get a good position and move fast enough, Auron may not be able to catch up with him before he is defeated. So... since liked Auron first and longer I shall vote for him. Cold, loyal wise guy beats cool, smart mouth pirate.
  10. GO Auron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he's way cooler!
  11. Big Sword.
  12. Auron...Mifune...legend...
  13. Yumiko: Auron is cool. Plus he is in the last FF before enix (which totally screwed up FF)came along. So go Auron
  14. Oh, tear my heart out with this vote, why dontcha? I love them both so much, with their (no doubt confusing to less genre-savvy characters) commentary on stories and leading roles... I'll give this one to Auron though. At least Balthier has his health. :P

Votes for Balthier

  1. Rydiaofmist: Although Auron was a great character, I still prefer Balthier. He was fun, entertaining, and witty, not to mention damn sexy.
  2. BlueHighwind: He is one of the best characters in FFXII, however its in FFT where he really shines. In a game filled with super-powered people like Agrias, Delita, and the Thunder God, Balthier was the most powerful. Can't really top that. And he's a part of the superior game by far.
  3. AnonyMan: Balthier of course being massively popular,(well by FFXII standards) isn't that bad of a characters, he's pretty entertaining, Auron not so much. He's not that cool to begin with, but since everyone just swoons over this guy it's just even more annoying, still he's probably like the only other Main FFX character who's even borederline bearable.
  4. Crazyswordsman: Call me old fashioned but I prefer voting for someone who isn't drunk.
  5. ChiefKakashi: He's currnetly losing. Go Balthier!
  6. Big mamou: Auron's is a great character, but Balthier is better.
  7. Mymindislost: Are you fucking kidding me? Of COURSE I'm voting for Balthier!
  8. I do not know about XII, but aside from my Onion Knight, Balthier was my favorite character to play as in Tactics.--Oranejo 19:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
  9. While I may be into older men, I'm going to have to vote for Balthier. The only way I would vote against Balthier is if he were against Vivi, Sabin, Minwu and possibly some other characters. That, and Balthier is hotter than Auron by a long shot. So much hotter... --Alcaeus
  10. Pablo618: He has some sweet-ass lines
  11. Hexed
  12. Aramis: Do I really have to give an explanation every time I vote? I just like Balthier more.
  13. I've decided...although i think Auron is the coolest, but Balthier is the one who charmed me. --VN
  14. Cactuar38:Balthier is an ARCHADIAN! All Auron is is a NON ARCHADIAN. So he can use swords, pfeh, Balthier can use guns spears, hand-bombs, swords, bows, and guns. Guns beat swords in this case but Lightsaber beats Darth Vader. Baltier rox.
  15. SCM: He's better than Auron, and the Leading Man.
  16. Aleria:He's just awesome.
  17. Maverick King:Are you fucking shitting me? Auron sucks. His quotes suck, and if they were ever used in real life, the person would get laughed at. I laughed my ass off when Auron said his bat fuck insane "Now is the time to choose" pep talk. Kimahri is far supeior and easily trumps that grimpy bastard of a samurai. Arrogant bastards beat self proclaimed "badasses". Guns always beat swords fanboys and if you think I'm wrong I will fight you. That's no lie.
  18. Zephyrus11:Balthier is the leading man.
  19. Pikmin Master: There is only one reason why Balthier is my choice. No, it's not that he's freaking awesome. No, it's not that he's "in the better games". No, it's not that he's the self-proclaimed leading man. It's solely because of his versatility. In XII, he can do and equip pretty much anything. In Tactics, he can change jobs, and have the sub-job abilities from FFV, too. I'm quite disappointed in Balthier's restriction in RW. Sure, Auron CAN technically use White Magic, but not only it's useless for him, but it takes a long while before he can learn them all. Like Alcaeus said, Minwu can beat Balthier.
  20. Triforcel: Yeah. I'm going with the one I like better.
  21. I pick balthier cause I used him more, and was better. CoD
  22. HiddenWings The leading man, indeed.
  23. Nashblade: FFX vs FFXII The Battle: Auron struggles to connect with his Masamune, while Balthier chips away with his Fomalhaut. With his Power Break and Armor Break useless, hope is running out for Auron. Balthier uses his Quickening and Auron barely survives. However, with a full overdrive gauge, he uses Banishing Blade and Balthier is now in critical status as well. Next attack wins...and Balthier gets the win! Note: FFT would be quite different. It would be the longest battle of all time while Balthier uses Arm Shot and Leg Shot, as well as Barrage (assuming that Seal Evil wouldn't be an instant win), but with a max of 748 damage with the Fomalhaut per Barrage (Auron has no Faith, so no Blaster), Auron waits patiently and eventually gets one lucky hit and kills him.
  24. Yuan Come on, just 9 more votes...
  25. ZodiarkMKXII: Balthier's Element of Treachery is one of my favorite moves, so my vote goes for Balthier.
  26. TacticAngel: Believe it or not, I actually like Balthier.

Anonymous votes

  1. I'm gonna vote for the leading man!
  2. Auron may be cool, but I'm gonna have to vote for the sexy leading man that has his own sweet airship.
  3. He has his own airship, is a pirate (and all pirates rule), and he isn't a ghost/dream or whatever Auron was.
  4. Tough choice...They're both extremely wise about their worlds (Auron in Spira and Balthier in Ivalice, of course) and they both have painful pasts. But I'll go with the smooth-talking gunslinging sky pirate we all love. Plus I got to play him more! (FFXII and FFXII:RW; looking forward to FFT)
  5. My vote is definitely for the sexy leading man who is the star of FFXII
  6. Agurably the two best characters ever i gotta give this one to Balthier if only because i seem to recall Auron having difficulty hitting anything that moves quickly.(i don't even think it really neccessary to point out the more accesible nature of mist charges or the fact that Balthier could summon)
  7. He's dashing, sexy and badass. So there. And I agree with the person who said Auron has a hard time hitting things that move fast.
  8. Such a tough decision. I adore both games and both characters. But since I adore pirates, I'll go with the sky pirate!
  9. The leading man never dies!!
  10. exdeath64- he totes guns, has a airship, and has a viera following him around for no apparent reason, need i say more?

Peanut Gallery

I don't think you could get the two of them to fight. They'd start talking in metafiction, then team up and go around confusing and/or annoying the hell out of people with fourth wall-less comments. Gotta love 'em. ...why yes, I am anonymous Auron voter number 14, how did you guess?

Another tough choice! I like them both DX. Auron's like the coolest ronin, and Balthier's freakin charming. Both are the greatest supporting characters (yes, i take Balthier as a supporting character despite his 'leading man' demeanor :3 ). --VulpineNinja 24 April 2008

Jammi568: @ whoever wrote that description. Last time i checked Cloud and Sephiroth were both massivly overrated on this Wiki.

Cloud? No. Sephiroth? Hell, yes! But not as much as those two -- YuanchosaanSalutations! 08:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Hell no! FFVII Fanboys are massively bashed on this wiki! Henryacores
...And Balthier is the avatar of gods where almost everyone worshiped. -- Nelo 09:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

LOL somebody said Auron is middle age? I thought he's like 30 something. Vincent is middle aged... --VulpineNinja 24 April 2008

No way. Auron is at least in his late forties. I always thought him to be around fifty. --BlueHighwind 12:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Yay! My suggestion! --ChiefKakashi 17:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Funny, that's how I always saw Vaan, Oath. Are you sure you got your character's straight? --BlueHighwind 19:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it, because Vaan didn't rip off a good character. He ripped off bad ones, like Tidus. --Crazyswordsman 22:57, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
In RW (and RW only), Balthier sucks. Bad. --ChiefKakashi 23:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Well since Revenant Wings itself sucked, it could not be helped. Really what could Balthier do in a half-hearted attempt at an RTS? What could anyone do with a game that actually had an idiot like Vaan as the central character? (Don't give me that shit about him being the lead in FFXII, he had like six lines and no purpose). Anybody who says Balthier is weak better play War of the Lions. I'd like to see them fucking talk then. --BlueHighwind 00:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Orlandu could kill him... but thats about it. Orlandu is rediculous though. --TacticAngel 02:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I have noticed a trend, so I will emphasize this point: you must be logged in to vote as a user. Otherwise you're an imposter, as far as I can tell. --TacticAngel 06:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

TA, best intro ever! -- Nelo 08:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

OMG! I have just read it! It's so hilarious! Pablo618

Wow. Who knew that this would be a landslide victory for Auron? --Alcaeus

...Dammit. Well, it sounded good at least. --ChiefKakashi 02:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

MK, I accept your challenge. We will meet a dawn. I'll fight with a claymore and you can run around with a 15th century pistol with a jamming problem. --BlueHighwind 12:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, Balthier's slowly catching up. If this trend continues, maybe we'll see the greatest comeback in DNC history? --ChiefKakashi 22:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

This is gettin' good--TheSwordofDoubt 12:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Right now as of the time I post this comment, Auron is ahead of Balthier 35 1/2 votes to 27 1/2 votes. It will be interesting to see who emerges as the victor in this bout between two of the FFWiki's most popular FF characters. Will the powerful ronin make the leading man's pain be twofold or will the crafty sky pirate shoot the unsent one down to the Farplane? Time will tell... --Tex 19:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually Vivi would kick both of their asses. --BlueHighwind 19:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Cloudofdarkness Have you noticed that almost all anons sound alike. When voting for Balthier, almost all say "Leading man", and those who vote for Auron say he's an unsent badass. Pretty repetitive.

Well? It's true for both of them, and lots of people like them for the same reasons. User:RedMage

Week 65: Cid Highwind v. Cidolfus Demen Bunansa

Winner!!
Cid Highwind
38½ v. 34
Cid Highwind, one of the great dragoons in the Final Fantasy franchise, the only Cid that wasn't ignored entirely that did not make it into Magicite Madness Cid Bracket, faces off versus the winner of the Cid Bracket, the mad scientist Cidolfus Demen Bunansa.

Votes for the Dragoon

  1. Shyny: Unlike Dr. Cid, he was always with you and that left enough space for his character to evolve. In FF XII, you can encounter Dr. Cid face to face i think only twice and then few cutscenes with him, but that's all. Sure he is interesting but that is not enough to beat Cid Highwind.
  2. Rydiaofmist: He's the quintessential Final Fantasy Cid to me.
  3. ChiefKakashi: "Sit your ass down and drink your goddamn TEA!!!"
  4. AnonyMan: I'm not a big C. Highwind fan, but he's pretty funny and one of the only good Main Characters in VII. When he was the lead in Cloud's absence it was the best part of the game. As far as his status as a Cid goes he's probably....third best, with Cid Pollendina and Cid Fabool IX 2nd and 1st respectively.
  5. JARIITX: I'll take the Highwind over nethicite any day.
  6. I think they're both great but Cid being an ally is better than Cid as a foe. Adam mcduck
  7. Xadren: C'mon! He's nearly the greatest character in a FF game! There is no Cid better than him! Also, he is a dreamer and the first Cid into the Outer Space!
  8. What CK said AzureDrake 21:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  9. Cid Highwind is the man. He stepped up for me when Yuffie stole my materia.--Oranejo 00:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  10. Chocolancer: Nobody says NO to Cid Highwind! He's my favorite Cid of all! He swears, smokes, uses a spear, and is hilarious!
  11. gokus789: This Cid simply because he made my favorite airship the Highwind.
  12. Yuan: He's my favourite Cid
  13. Lockhart: Dr. Cid is not too bad, but come on, is this even a contest. Cid Highwind is by far the best Cid. Don't hate.
  14. Varehemsko: I never did get on well with C. Bunansa, and the character was developed too much in the third person. C. Highwind gets my vote, if only for my memory of being told how profusely he swore on the Sister Ray. Good times :) Also what CK and AD said.
  15. Chocobo Knight: Meh, they're both alright. Cid is a Dragoon (false Dragoon or not, he has a spear), he is a Highwind, he has that funny quote, and you know, he could have just launched his spaceship meaning his assistant would have died but he didn't. He was angry at her sure but he still stopped the launch and threw away his dream to make sure she didn't die. Pretty nice. Dr. Cid was alright and an original idea (a Cid being a villain) but still, he was just plain crazy!
  16. Pikmin Master: This Cid can equip a mop for a weapon.
  17. Mateus_the_Corrupt:Dr. Cid is being a total crap, though I didn't know him alot. Cid Highwind is only sort of Cid I know. Aside from Kain, Freya, Kimahri and Llyud, Cid was the popular and notable Dragoon everyone could know.
  18. Sora G. Strife: Cid Highwind just rocks, as he did get a swearword past the censors.
  19. SuperBossOMEGA: One vote for the one who isn't crazy
  20. Etch: Cid's the man what can u say
  21. GimliSam: Easily my favorite Cid of the series, not to mention the fact that he has the coolest airship. Ever.
  22. RedMage: I just like Cid(this one)'s character a lot more. Also, he has cool airship, and featured in FF:AC, which is great despite everything anyone else says about it.
  23. Sora_Rainstorm: I'd go for Cid Highwind, mainly because he is my most favorite Cid out of all the series. He also cusses a lot and that's always cool. Anyone who dreams of going into outer space and has the name Highwind has to be the coolest. Besides, it's kinda hard to imagine an evil Cid in the series. It's a little bizzare.
  24. Ifrit: I had no idea how to decide so I figured it would be fun to tie up the competition =).
  25. Drake:I'll vote for the character that doesn't suck.
  26. PhoenixDew I gotta go with Cid Highwind, cause I loves me a good spear, while Dr. Cid uses weird gun things... plus I just like player characters better in general.
  27. Slayerette: Doctor Cid has a cool voice actor but that's pretty much it. Cid Highwind is awesome.
  28. Triforcel: Both Cids are pretty awesome, but I find this Cid just a little bit better.
  29. tomtheroadkill: It's a difficult choice this one. I liked Dr.Cid as he has been the only evil Cid so far. But Cid Highwind is my choice as he is a crude, rude, killing machine!
  30. Terra_Homing: Oh come on! No choice at all...
  31. Falbub: These are my two favorite Cids of all time, but Highwing takes the lead by far. He's just awesome like that.
  32. Prudence Moon: Seriously, the best Cid there is, hands down. The rest are lame by comparison.
  33. TacticAngel 05:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC): Always liked Cid Highwind. I was never too impressed with Dr. Cid though. Seemed a little too metro for me.

Anonymous votes

  1. The most badass is the one who has a worse mouth.
  2. Hes not as good as T.G. Cid, but Cid Highwind;s Limit alone will destroy the other Cid.
  3. Rainacide - I will have to go with Cid Highwind, why becuhs he's my all favorite character from FFVII & I use him even more than Cloud, he was a beast as a leader when Cloud was gone. He has pretty brutal Limit Breaks & he's just an all bad ass. Cid from XII ain't so bad either but...Cid Highwind is just...an all natural bad ass.
  4. Cid Highwing is the BEST
  5. Cursing Cid rocks!!!!! XD
  6. He may be on the rude side, but I have to go with Cid Highwind as being better, if for nothing more than he's a scruffy, blond guy who dreams of space. Though it's not in the game, I love it in Advent Children when, in response to Barret telling him to park the airship, Cid says, "If you want off, then jump."
  7. One of the Greatest Cid's around!
  8. Mr. Highwind, because he's a Highwind & obviously the most BADASS Cid around ;]
  9. go FFVII !!! :-)
  10. why are people suckers for the person who helped make balthier wow he's a james bon rip off get over it, now highwind hes were the moneys at
  11. Cid Highwind is one of my favorite characters in anything, ever. Dr. Cid is a pansy, and not in a good way.

Votes for the Doctor

  1. Henryacores: "History back on men's hands"...Cid Demen Bunansa is probably the best Cid on Final Fantasy
  2. Blykus 19:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. BlueHighwind: Well this is indeed a tough one. Dragoon vs. Mad Scientist. Cursing Wife Beater vs. Lunatic with a God Complex. I empathize with them both. However, this Cid wins only because Cid Highwind cannot perform Jump at will (meaning he's a false Dragoon), and because Dr. Cid is just the better character.
  4. It was decided in the Magicite Madness. Doctor Cid is the best Cid ever. Dark raven
  5. Pablo618
  6. Mymindislost: Gots to go for the Doctor.
  7. He made Balthier. Hexed
  8. Damn this is a hard one. Cid with the less votes gets mine. WeissTheImmaculate 22:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  9. Crazyswordsman: It was decided in Magicite Madness.
  10. UndyingvsSephiroth: I would say this Cid, the other one looks cooler, but this Cid is a godly lunatic plus the father of Balthier.
  11. Aleria:Hated him. But because of that, he's such an awesome villain. He pulls off the insane genius perfectly.
  12. Ruler of Oblivion: Villain Cid. I like The Dragoon best, but this Cid all the way.
  13. SCM:Watch FFXII in a Nutshell. That's why.
  14. He's simply cooler. Elcan
  15. I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts. Dum-dum-dum MK
  16. He has a gatling gun and an army of killer robots, nuff' said Blackheart1991 11:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
  17. JZ He made Balthier, and Balthier rocks. Not as much as Yuna though. ;)
  18. User:dudutsai: This Cid was cooler by a ton. I dislike Cid Highwind. Shocking, but true.
  19. MeggiedONFF3 This Cid had evil mad scientist, wacky laughter, and graceful exits down to a tee. A refreshing take on Cid. So he gets my vote.
  20. Alcaeus: Seriously, the constant swearing got on my nerves. That's the main reason Mr. Highwind and Barret were never in my party.
  21. Darkling692: Having a god for an ally and a brain that copies the items that give godly power is something to fear if you only have a spear and a airship in your arsenal, my vote goes for the second best Cid ever.
  22. SacredMist: I would definitely go with Dr. Cid. The other Cid is a bit too...crude for my tastes.
  23. Aramis: Machine guns beat spears all the time.
  24. Acropolis: Crazy people are funny.
  25. Ctaylor503: Dr. Evil, I mean evil Dr. Cid rules! S-85 Cyclotrone, baby! Yeah!
  26. Mjka: Crazy people get all the fun. Especially since said crazy person has a giant cannon. Good people get all the pressure. And I love the threads and weapons. Gotta give respect to the man that can make the Manufacted Nethicite.
  27. 8bit_BlackMage: I vote for the one who can summon Rooks and has a bazooka.
  28. Because the fanboys will vote for the Dragoon later on. -- Nelo 03:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

  1. Definitely Dr. Cid is the superior Cid. He is intelligently hilarious and has a highly idealistic and unique character. Since he is the ONLY evil Cid, that makes him even more awesome.
  2. Well, this Cid has been the only evil Cid, so I guess that makes him more interesting.
  3. Anyone this crazy has to get my vote. Plus he has a nice costume.
  4. Dr. Cid, definitely. He wears the generic "evil mad scientist" stereotype surprisingly well.
  5. Well he does have a tight ass coat...and he help make Balthier
  6. If he could make a giant gun pop out of nowhere and use it as well as this guy, then maybe Highwind might be a bit of a challenge. But since he can't however, my vote goes to the the doctor that can talk to Venat.
  7. quite possibly the best mad scientist in the series (except maybe Hojo, the wiess thing was pretty cool.) in addition to the giant cannon, summoning an esper, and that strange laugh, he is far superior to the texan stereotype. and the whole "bringing down false gods" bit was pretty damn cool- Exdeath64
  8. Mad scientist Cid gets me. I don't know much of Highwind, since I don't remember 7 much, but I remember XII like the back of my hand. Crazy and helping to make Balthier wins me over.were is the fairness stop deleting coments you nazi
  9. A truly unique Cid; one that isn't necessarily evil, but one that is driven by power and madness to put the world back in the "hands of men"
  10. Someone as psychotic as him has got to win!
  11. He's stylish and arrogant and gleefully demented and doesn't force me to cringe through scenes where he's just a domestically abusive bully (trying to kill Balthier doesn't count).
  12. I've got to go with the malevolent Dr. Cid. He's a power-hungry crazy maniac... loves it.

Peanut Gallery

This is one of the few DNC fights where I can except either losing without getting upset or mad. -- ChiefKakashi 18:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I am pretty much that way in every fight. The only exception was the Materia vs. Junction battle. BOOYAH FFVIII!!! IN YOUR FUCKING FACE!!!! --BlueHighwind 21:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

TA, why did you pick this? This was in the Magicite Madness. --Crazyswordsman 00:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Upon further review, apparently it was... for some reason I remembered Highwind being in the Dragoon bracket. I suppose I don't remember voting for it. I only rather randomly voted in that, when able, and sometimes just for my amusement. I'm being pressured to do what people want and if people vote for this stuff, I can't very well say 'no' on some level. --TacticAngel 02:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't care if it was done before. This is turning into a good match. Their perfectly neck and neck at 10.5 votes each. The mumbling discontented masses should just be quiet. --BlueHighwind 02:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
It's quickly becoming one sided. It's currently 14.5 to 20. --ChiefKakashi 19:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Its currently 43% to 57%, which is only a blow-out in electoral college or when Hillary wins Pennsylvania by that margin. --TacticAngel 21:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I said it's becoming one-sided. I didn't actually say it's already a blow-out. --ChiefKakashi 21:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
this one is rather hard to pick. one is a villain, the other is a party memeber. both are equally great in their own field. --User:VulpineNinja 20 April 2008
Seems still pretty equal to me. RedMage

I'm not sure I should call Dr. Cid evil, but he's definitely mad. Mad for power!! And he's the better engineer, too. Ctaylor503 21:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC) Wow...Only a 2-point difference. This is a good fight after all. --ChiefKakashi 00:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

28 to 28 as of this moment. Whoever picked the last two fights deserves a medal (hi TA), they have been nail-biting and I can't decide who to vote for in this one. 8bit BlackMage 01:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

@Anon vote no.8 for Dr Cid: to whom is this meant to be directed?

couldn't agree more. at least we know the fight isn't exactly onesided 8) VulpineNinja 23 April 2008

The Mad Scientist is losing... You people really have bad taste in Cids. Dark raven 18:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like this one will be another draw and it's only fitting that it is so, IMO. Both Cids are great characters and are equally respected. Bravo and kudos to TA for picking this one. --Tex 21:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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