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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really, the Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user . If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because votes carry different weight and votes leftsection in the wrong section will be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the votes will be totaled and winner decided. Ties may be called if the voting is within 10% of each other.

Real Week 64: Garland v. Kuja

Winner!!
undecided

Votes for Garland

  1. Badassness. Oath to Order 23:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. Hard for me. I eventully flipped several coins and made the vote for Chaos.--Otherarrow 23:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. I, Garland shall knock you all down! Hexed
  4. He has cool armor. -- ChiefKakashi 23:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. Aramis: Garland could knock Kuja down any time...
  6. JARIITX: Garland. Hands down.

Anonymous votes

Votes for Kuja

  1. Alcaeus: Kuja is my favorite villian.
  2. Pablo618: Hard one. I really don't know who to vote for: Coin flip =(
  3. 8bit_BlackMage: Garland didn't have enough backstory. Kuja has Ultima and made slaves of Bahamut and Alexander.
  4. Because there are far too many unoriginal people who use "Cross-dressing" as a cheap insult. Shut up, and find something new to say you pathetic robots. Program yourself for independent thought. And Kuja destroyed existance, doesn't that count for anything? --BlueHighwind 00:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. Bob the geomancer
  6. This is a rather interesting fight choice. I expect it shall turn out to be quite one-sided, but we'll see, won't we? Well, if you need to ask why I would vote for Kuja, then you are clearly ...well... dumb. I mean, Garland CAN knock you all down, but Kuja can knock you all down with raining pink death-bombs. Garland has a giant sword, but Kuja has a giant dragon. Garland kidnapped a princess, but Kuja kidnapped a queen and her airship...and stowed her in a volcano. That's a progressive leader thinking ahead for our futures, people. --RB

Anonymous votes

Peanut Gallery

Remember, no one make any cross-dresser, gender-confused or gay comments about Kuja. --Alcaeus

No... please... do. I love my test templates. --TacticAngel 23:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
And I love to bitch about the amount of homophobic remarks on this wikia. What test templates are you talking about? --Alcaeus
The ones he hands out like candy. =D Cloudofdarkness 23:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I probably shouldn't link that comment AK made about TA then... Oath to Order 23:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh please do. I'm up for a lark. --BlueHighwind 00:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't see what the huge fuss is about commenting on Kuja. What's the difference between calling him a cross dresser and shouting death threats at Yuffie? The former may offend cross-dressers and the latter may offend Yuffie-fans. Why do we persecute a single sector of speech over others? I can see giving out test templates for obscene slurs or making real people the target of mean-spirited comments, but seriously. I think Kuja is somewhat apparel-confused, but I don't see why it would offend some. 8bit BlackMage 23:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Because liking or hating Yuffie is an opinion. For some people, cross-dressing is part of who they are. --Alcaeus

One thing that's bothering me is why is Kuja fighting Garland(FF1)? --Alcaeus

Your statement was rhetorical. People like or dislike someone or something because of who/what they are or they aren't, whether it's because Kuja "cross-dresses", Yuffie is a "annoying as hell", or Laguna is "a #$%^ing idiot". We can dislike real people because they are annoying as hell, are ^%&#ing idiots, or are cross-dressers. And I think Kuja would destroy the FF9 Garland, because people would dislike him for being a minor plot device that no one knows about, died fairly quickly, and blathered on and on incessantly during the final dungeon. 8bit BlackMage 00:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Got that right, Garlic is one of the most incessent blatherers in Final Fantasy history. He's also the biggest nut-job ever. A really funny bunny. --BlueHighwind 00:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Oops Week 64: Vayne Carudas Solidor v. Seymour Guado

Winner!!
undecided
The evil Prince versus the maester of the Yaguado, which one can assume is something like a misspelled Master. Which of these cunning, powerful autocrats has the brains, power, and ability to see himself through to victory?

Votes for Vayne

  1. Mymindislost: Seymour sucks, Vayne doesn't. What more do I need to say? :P
  2. ChiefKakashi: God...I bet this fight is gonna suck more than the last one...
  3. Adam mcduck: Seymour sucked.
  4. Of all the fights to repeat, this was certainly one of the worst. Even I have to comment on what a bad idea this was. Who ever liked Seymour? Nobody. --BlueHighwind.
  5. I hate Seymour, I hate Seymour, I hate Seymour. He sucked so much.Cheesewow
  6. Bob the geomancer 19:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  7. Crazyswordsman: I seem to remember this one done in recent memory. And Seymour sucks big giant hairy donkey balls.
  8. MK: Sarcasm: Who doesn't love a villain that talks like he's chocking on a breadstick and has a potbelly? Kimono ftw.
  9. Does there need to be a reason? 8bit BlackMage 21:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  10. Crimsonshadow619: Are you kidding me?! Seymour was the worst damn villain ever. And look at the facts. They each have 4 forms. The major differences, Seymour is always a damn puzzle fight as opposed to a straight on brawl whereas Vayne goes through all forms in one series of fights and he just gets tougher each time. Also, I'll take the steroid abuse freak over the shiny happy people freak any day.
  11. Otherarrow: Vayne is much better than Seymour. Even I know that.
  12. Alcaeus: Hmm...there is only one villian who is worse than Seymour, and that's Shuyin, who is a combination of Tidus and Seymour.
  13. Hexed

Anonymous votes

  1. At least Vayne was a likeable character, the only thing likeable about Seymour was Anima.
  2. EmuMaster: Haven't played 12 so Vayne gets the benefit of the doubt.
  3. Vayne is AWESOME. Seymour sucks Muffin's balls.

Votes for Seymour

  1. Oath to Order 18:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  2. Dr. Crisp 19:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  3. Henryacores: Why to vote on a sockpuppet? Again!!!??
  4. Pablo618
  5. Woot for seymour! Superaeon35 21:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
  6. Acropolis: Let's just think for a moment on how little screen time Vayne had. His character barely developed for christ's sake. Seymour however has blue hair, isn't that evil enough for you? And now I think on it: Anima.

Anonymous votes

  1. Vayne is cool, but Seymour is one of the only villians that seemed 100% evil to me.
  2. I hated them both, but i'll go with the one who can summon Anima, cuz Anima doesn't suck.

Peanut Gallery

Henryacores: Why did you repeat this fight?

This must be a rematch of Fight 32, eh TA? [^_^]/ 18:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
That fight was a landslide victory for Vayne. Why repeat it? Who in their right minds would vote for Seymour? --BlueHighwind 19:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
If you're gonna repeat one, at least make sure it was done at least 50 fights ago.

--Crazyswordsman 19:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hm... interesting. I will have to review. --TacticAngel 20:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

You Seymour supporters need to justify your reasoning. --Crazyswordsman 19:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Why didn't we just have Balthier vs. Gogo on this? It would have the same outcome. -- ChiefKakashi 22:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys, I have a suggestion for the next fight... >_> --Mymindislost 22:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is easily the worst fight I have seen on the DNC! Was it even suggested on the Discussion page!? --User:AlcaeusTheWizard

Yes, and thats because your democracy sucks. --TacticAngel 23:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
So does this fight matter or not? --BlueHighwind 00:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Week 63: Yuffie Kisaragi v. Rikku

Winner!!
Rikku


50 ½ v. 27

Well, it's that time again! This week, two bubbly ditz type characters face off in a catfight! In the nausea corner, the "ninja" that doesn't act like a ninja should, the Wutai Whambulance hereslf, Yuffie Kisaragi! And in the fluffy corner, making her long anticipated debut here at the DNC (probably the last character to be here), the Al Bhed Burninator, Rikku!

Votes for Yuffie

  1. Netherith She's a good character, a competitive opponant in Kingdom Hearts, good comedy relief in the games.
  2. BlueHighwind: They both suck. And I mean really suck. However you don't have to hear Yuffie's voice, so that's something there. Plus I wasn't willing to take the six-week correspondence course required to learn all the BILLION of possible combinations for Mix. Not worth the trouble.
  3. CloudStrifexoxo: I liked Yuffie. Rikku was ok but... I liked Yuffie more.
  4. MeggiedONFF3: Rikku was annoying. Beyond annoying. She could stand on the pinnacle of annoying, looking out upon her vast kingdom of annoyance and giggle. Plus its been such a long time since I've played FF VII that I can't quite remember Yuffie. So maybe she wasn't that bad.
  5. Cheesewow- I HATE Rikku. I can still recall her voice, doing stuff to my brain that I thought you needed a hot blade to do. No matter how annoying Yuffie is (which I don't know, haven't played ff7), she does not make you want to rip your ears off and shove a cork into the bloody hole.
  6. dudutsai What BlueHighwind said. Also Yuffie wasn't in FFX-2
  7. Adam Mcduck: Because they are both so rubbish in terms of personality (although I didn't mind Yuffie's; it just wasn't that of a ninja) I am basing them on usefulness. Yuffie wins that because 'Doom of the Living' was better than 'Mix'.
  8. Khakishro Although I like to challenge the Final Fantasy VII characters popularity, I have to go with Yuffie.I used her way more then I used Rikku, as I used her as a replacement for Aeris in ways. In FFX, once Tidus, Yuna or Auron learned Steal, that was the end for Rikku lol. But I have nothing against Rikku.
  9. Xadren I love FF7 and although I liked very much FFX, these two games cannot be compared. Also...c'mon! Selphie, Eiko, Rikku and Penelo cannot exist without Yuffie: she is their prototype (with Relm, of course :))!
  10. Etch what dudutsai said. hated X-2 with a passion, i dont even consider it a final fantasy i hated it so much
  11. I can Cream sephrioth with yuffie Bob the geomancer 17:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  12. AnonyMan: They're both lame. Rikku was and looked alot cooler when she wore the diving suit and didn't talk much, after that, less said the better...then there's X-2. Yeah, Yuffie's not much better as a character and personality go, but at least she's an optional character in FFVII. And her sidequest was fun and the Turks were there, that's always a plus. I like Al Bheds too, they're pretty cool JUST not Rikku. She'd be cool if she wasn't....uh, Rikku.
  13. Blykus: Rikku wasn't a bad character by any means, but I've come to like Yuffie over the past couple of years. She was entertaining in Dirge of Cerberus and I was endlessly amused by the nine year old version of her in Crisis Core.
  14. Chocolancer: I don't usually come here at the DNC cuz all the fights are one-sided, but ahh well...I can't decide on both but I'll go with Yuffie instead...her appearance in Advent Children rocks!
  15. himbo: Shit, this was hard...but I guess I'm going with Yuffie and staying true to my FFVII fandom. =]
  16. skoot85: I like Yuffie simply because of the scrapyishness, and sneakiness of the character. Regarding Rikku though I have to agree with AnonyMan on this one though. "She'd be cool if she wasn't....uh, Rikku." She was a part of the travesty that was Final Fantasy X-2 and made that game even more painful every time she came on screen. There is simply no way I can vote for her.
  17. Kami strife: Sorry, Rikku, you're great, but I have to vote for Yuffs on this one. Yuffie has All Creation, which was a great final limit break, as well as an awesome weapon (the Conformer was MUCH better than Rikku's claw-thingies). And, over the course of Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus, Yuffie's character has evolved. My vote is with Yuffie, without a doubt.
  18. Silent Meiousei: Yuffie is losing...*sob*...I like them both...But Yuffie...You are awesome!!!
  19. Hiddensilver: She appeared during my first forest battle during my last playthrough, so Yuffie's on my good side right now. That, and I still have to get a PS2 to play FFX. ._.;
  20. SCM: The lesser of two evils.
  21. Corrino: We can't let it be a landslide + Yuffie is alot more intersting with all the wutai stuff than Rikku.
  22. User:Clvabl: Yuffie that is all yo
  23. Falbub: I like Yuffie's weapons and costumes better. Plus, she's a NINJA. A rather ditzy ninja, true, but that's still a ninja.
  24. blackheart1991 yuffie is so much better then Rikku, she actually has personality and doesn't laugh whenever someone talks!(that and rikku is some $%^#ed up hybrid class)


Anonymous votes

  1. ??????: She is the champion of the earth and the sky. She is the conqueror of evil, the single white rose of Wutai. Yuffie Kisargi! Although she might be considered a ditz, it takes the right character to run a country well. She isn't just a materia theif, she's a Princess. She isn't one to just let her birthplace become a place just for tourists. No, she's going to make it a wonderful country in and of itself with it's own traditions and customs, the grat place it once was. She's intelligent, kind, polite and caring. Sometimes, she speaks without thinking due to personality, inexperience, youth or a combination of the three in some way. That's fine. It's normal for someone as big hearted as she. She loves children, showing concern when the children in Wutai disapear, presumably from Geostigma, and calling Cloud about it. She stands up for what she believes in and that makes her an excellent character. She is willing to go through air sickness to help Cloud defeat Bahamut in Advent Children and to escape with Vincent in Dirge of Cerberus. Also, to show her intelligence, she looks like she has no trouble with technology except when she bumps her head on it. On the other side, she's a ninja. She was trained since she was young and she's very good at what she does. Being able to steal something from someone with reflexes like Cloud's should be commended. She weilds a large Shuriken which shows she has strength and able to throw it and hit the tagret with relative ease which shows excellent accuracy. All in all, Yuffie is my choice out of the two of them. She goes the extra mile with a smile. One has to look beyond the superficial appearence and mannerisms of a cheerful child to see her true persona.
  2. Rikku is great, but Yuffie has my vote. Go Yuffie!
  3. Jimbo Cactaur votes for Yuffie, better personality, better combat ability, nuff said.
  4. I've only played FF12 and the Kingdom Hearts series, so I barely know anything about these characters. I do know that Yuffie's a ninja, and I fought her in Kingdom Hearts, so GO YUFFIE!
  5. Rikku is annoying and has poor english(Good Al Bhed though). Also yuffie was a much better character and had a better story.
  6. Yuffie rocks. We're fans of ffVII. but we have nothing against Rikku

Votes for Rikku

  1. Bwana hakunamatata: Rikku was exiled and even hated, but she is Rikku, cheerful, Careful, and open-minded. That's my Rikku of Al Bhed!!! Come on, blow up yuffie with your machina!!!!
  2. Rydiaofmist: I like both of these characters but Rikku has the edge for me. She's a very loyal friend, and her mix command was loads of fun!
  3. Crazyswordsman: I'm going with the character that used to be cool instead of the one that wasn't cool to begin with. Rikku saves lives in the Monster Arena with her Mixing, and she's not that annoying (Yuffie is far worse....), at least until you take FFX-2 into consideration where she becomes one of the worst characters of all time. But I will not think of that game as canon so I can think Rikku is cool, at least for this fight. And besides, I gotta show my love for things that make you go AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! I also love the color orange. Or should I say, BORANGE? Because that's what Fobbies are.
  4. Kill Yuffie. Please. Oath to Order 05:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  5. HydronisaI actually didn't think Yuffie was that bad of a character at first, I thought she was just there for some added comic relief. Then I got to the side-quest at Wutai, when she actually fulfilled what she stated upon entering the party. My hatred for a character could not have been more palpable. Rikku wins this because of that, and the fact that she brought the 'Mix' back into the games.
  6. OmgItsFrenchie Rikku by far, she's helped me heaps with the Mix ability and stealing early on in the game. I adore Yuffie, but Rikku is just too damn awesome.
  7. Mateus_the_Corrupt: Rikku, unlike Yuffie, has the ability to mix items instead of throwing fuuma shuriken. It's better for Alchemists (or Chemists) to win this battle so the Ninjas could go to their graves.
  8. Gaming-King:I'am going wiht rikku because of mix and Yuffie just bugs me.
  9. Hexed
  10. Marcus Leonhart: Although Yuffie is a particular character I like in FF7, what can she do without materia? Jump and brand her shuriken like crazy? Hey, wait. What shuriken? Rikku, give back that shuriken!
  11. Henryacores: Rikku is FFX's second best character. She is the best character in battle, and the one whose solo is the easiest. Her overdrive is excellent and I love her as a character. Her cheerful and fun personality is awsome. Have I arleady told you how hot she is? Rikku is just awesome. Yuffie is a disgrace for ninjas.
  12. VitoRyu: Rikku.
  13. TSD: Unlimited Mega-Potions FTW.
  14. AuronKaizer: I don't see what everyone's problem is with Yoofey, but either way, she gets badly owned by Rikku. You're gonna have to look very hard to find someone a FFX character loses against in my opinion.
  15. FFX Rikku wins my vote. Now, if this were specifically between FFX-2 Rikku and Yuffie, I'd have to go with Yuffie. But overall, I find Rikku, annoying as she may be, to be FAR less annoying than Yuffie. I'm sure lots of people would disagree, but I don't really care. Also, I would say that Rikku's character and backstory are a lot less cliche and boring than Yuffie's. I mean, how many "Ninja avenging my clan"s do we need? Nah, a blond girl salvaging airships is a lot cooler to me. --RB
  16. Big mamou: Rikku. Because she is the lesser of two evils. The "What to Say to Get Yuffie to Join" guess-and-check mini "game" was obnoxious. Doing it without any sort of a guide back when the game was first released sent my PS1 controller flying at the wall.
  17. ChiefKakashi: Don't mind Rikku, can't stand Yuffie.
  18. Chaos40: Personally my vote's got to go for the character who isn't trying to rob me blind at every point in the game. Not very endearing of you Yuffie. Besides I vote against Yuffie out of spite when I realise I've been pronouncing her name wrong for ten years.
  19. CeKain: For no reason at all, Rikku.
  20. MK: At least she doesn't steal my shit and at least she isn't a ninja. God, Ninjas suck, just like FFVII and guess whose in there...
  21. tomtheroadkill: I have to go on usefulness here. Rikku is an annoying character and her personality has got to be shot. But Yuffie has the second most useless Limit Break and is a weak character anyway. Agreed, her character developed for Dirge of Cerberus, but wasn't playable. Rikku has the Mix and has more use. So, it has to be Rikku for me.
  22. RedMage To any one who thinks Rikku isn't cool, watch this: [1]
  23. Mjka Ninjas are overrated. Yuffie is weird and annoying. Just because your shuriken is bigger does not mean it'll be any better. Rikku is the cutest Al Bhed ever. When a girl tells you to cram your happy festival, you gotta love her pluck. I mean, if my Home was blown up, I would never have been as composed as she was. She was also mature at times in FFX-2. What was so bad about that game, anyway?
  24. Pablo618: I have no prob with rikku, I like her =)
  25. PD: The color scheme is annoying as both of them at times...
  26. Moogle Kupo I'll hit that.
  27. Azul: Finally! My fight is up! I pick Rikku. Rikku got me out of alot of tight spots in FFX and FFX-2! Besides Yuffie is annoying with or without a voice.
  28. gokus789: Well I like Yuffie more as a character but Rikku was more useful in battle. Besides Rikku was sexy in X-2. Sure X-2 sucked and I never played it but her outfit made up for it.
  29. Alcaeus: I actually like Rikku. Sure her voice is annoying, but it was still better than Tidus'. Plus she didn't steal all your Materia forcing you to go on an annoying side-quest. Yuffie is the second worst FF character of all time, after Laguna. Also on a completely different topic, FFX-2 isn't a bad game. It has a fun battle system and the most important thing to a game is it's fun-factor.
  30. Fonzyboi:in battle rikku is more useful, she does decent damage and she can also provide good support w/ her mixed potions; in the story rikku is also more interesting, she speaks two languages and she comes from a technophile race(Al Bhed)
  31. Bluesilver: I love Rikku! she more interesting that some treasure hunter from a town with cool music and she is much more useful. plus in 10-2 she like monkeys!
  32. Dark raven: She's prettier, more useful and less annoying.
  33. BigSlurp: Yeaaaaaaa!!!!!! Finally one of my favorite characters of all time is up to battle. Her overly spunky annoyingness just makes you fall in love with her. She's a trip-out to listen to. And she actually can kick some major butt. I never liked Yuffie as I thought she was useless. Rikku is the much better choice. Woohoo!
  34. Lankapoo: Dude, that's not even a fight. Rikku just kicks ass!
  35. RenzokukenXIV Personally i hate yuffie, yeah they are both hyperactive, but Yuffie the "ninja" is just plain stupid. So yeah, my vote is completely for Rikku
  36. Lockhart: Even though I'm a Final Fantasy VII junkie, I just can't vote for Yuffie over Rikku. Similar in many ways, I just think that Rikku has a little more depth than Yuffie. I tend to use them both in battle, I might even use Yuffie a little more. Oh well, Rikku it is.
  37. SacredMist: I like her personality better than Yuffie's and I also felt that her character design was better than Yuffie's. Though they both have their immature sides, I felt that Yuffie was much more annoying. Rikku's just an overall sweet girl that has a good head on her shoulders. Her little smoke bomb during a certain dangerous situation wasn't a bad idea at all. Shows that the girl can take care of herself just fine.
  38. Drake1: You know, I liked Rikku before X-2. So I choose her.
  39. Jordanlee24: Rikku is much funnier than what Yuffie is and she's Al Bhed which makes it better. Rikku is protective over Yuna and helps her to be an all-round happy character.
  40. Zephyrus11: Rikku has more character development, more interesting moves (the whole chemist aspect is awesome), better appearance design, better voice acting (than Yuffie in either AC or KH). Rikku gets copycat which is an amazing move, Al Bhed is an awesome race/language, and shes from X, which is great. Even her X-2 incarnation isn't too bad, although her X one is better.
  41. ShadowLaguna: When I first got Yuffie in my party, I thought "I've got a crap ally". And of course I was right. I've never been a fan of Yuffie and I most likely never will. As for Rikku, I don't like her much in battle either. But her personality is a lot better and when you first get her, you don't get bad first impressions.
  42. TacticAngel: I've never been a real big fan of Yuffie. Something about stealing all my materia...

Anonymous votes

  1. rikku cares about other people and yuffie cares about herself.
  2. rikku all the way! (until X-2)!!!!!
  3. these are 2 of my favourite characters in the FF universe. But by far i would choose rikku over yuffie. Rikku's funny and her mix ability takes of loads of damage, plus the fact that she can also steal. Aside from her attacks, she also looks really cool too and she's just a great character all round. Also, when yuffie is on your team, if you go to wutai, she steals all of your materia :( anyways, rikku gets my vote, 100%.
  4. How is this a question? Rikku, all the way.
  5. Gotta love Rikku's Mix ability...and the thing on her arm is way less stupid than the tumor on Yuffie's character design. Nomura, what were you ON?
  6. ?????- I don't get what's so great about mix (maybe it's just me) but unlike a bunch of you people, I like Rikku. Just as a character. I mean, Yuffie ain't bad but, Rikku Rocks!
  7. Sora_rainstorm - Rikku is the winner. When you first recruit Yuffie as a party member, she tries to steal your stuff. And that is why I'm voting for Rikku. Besides, she was just a little bit more useful. Yuffie sucked, and I hardly ever used her.
  8. God, I hate Yuffie to death. She stole my materia man....my materia...
  9. Rikku, Rikku, Rikku.
  10. Rikku is definitely better than yuffie. 'nough said.
  11. Hellhound - Rikku is way better. Her overdrive is useful, she's fun, not near as annoying as Yuffie, and is way hotter. Love you Rikku!!!
  12. Yumiko: oh this is hard. i am a huge fan of vii but i think i vote for rikku. i like yuffie's character but i must say mix had gotten me out of many tricky situations. also x-2 wasnt that bad. it may have been a little umm... girly, useless, whatever but the overall story wasn't that bad and the 100% ending was nice. AC, DoC, and CC was also cool. AC advanced the story line a bit. DC explored the life of Vincent and CC explained the past and stuff. why must people hate these titles.=(
  13. EmuMaster: Ugh. I don't really like either, but at least Rikku's attractive.
  14. Yuffie is hyper and annoying. Rikku is hyper and adorable. Plus, mixing rocks.
  15. Despite the fact that in X-2 Rikku looked like a cheap whore most of the time, I found her more useful than Yuffie was.
  16. both suck, but X had decent graphics, try a new bit of charecter development next time!- Exdeath64
  17. Rikku because her mix list saves your ass a lot and theres only been one bad sequal of ffx and Yuffie stole my materia...

Peanut Gallery

Okay! *Shaq-fu's Yuffie* --Crazyswordsman 05:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

CSM, aren't we getting a little overy-tilted thought to the characters in the explaination section? Yuffie's a ninja, that's official in Square(and Nomura) so that's no much you can do about it.--Nel 09:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Alchemists win, any day. Of course, that's what I'd say.TheSwordofDoubt 10:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Am I the only one who complains about the lack of a neutral point of view in the description? It's not like this is your fandom soapbox or whatever. --Auron Kaizer 11:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Fix it for you Kaizer, and I adjusted the color scheme a bit. My eyes couldn't take the old ones. It was like looking into a solar eclipse or your Grandma's clevage. --BlueHighwind
Sorry, BH, but when I do the fights, we use shiny colors. And don't change the description. --Crazyswordsman 15:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
What's wrong with the colours? At least they don't glare right out at you like the basic colours do. They're much softer. And half the time I don't even notice them. TheSwordofDoubt 15:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and Cara was the prototype, not Yuffie. --Crazyswordsman 16:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

That's true, unfortunately it she came at the expense of replacing her infinitely cooler grandfather and one of the only reasons I played FFV and the main reason I stopped and won't continue playing.AnonyMan 18:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
But Galuf has terrible Speed and Magic stats. Krile (or Cara?) has the highest Speed in the game and the second highest Magic stats in the game, making her much more useful in battle than Galuf. --Alcaeus

All right, who here hates this bright-as-the-fucking-sun color scheme? And who here can possibly defend it? --BlueHighwind

Would you rather look at dull, boring colors? I'm sick of dull colors. --Crazyswordsman 19:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
That may be. But dull colors are pleasing to the eye. We want people to actually read our votes. This color scheme is distracting. --BlueHighwind 19:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't find them pleasing at all. I find them boring and all like "Hi. I. Am. A. Brussel. Sprout." Is that how you want our Wiki? Full of drones? --Crazyswordsman 19:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
There's a reason why books are not printed on electric-pink paper. There's also a reason why the Monobook skin uses white instead of bright green. A very simple one. The eye, being lazy, likes nice dull tones like white. Notice how when you look at Yuffie's votes, it all seems to blur out. Its hard to concentrate upon the text (especially that massive essay that annon wrote). Your mind wonders. You can put hot colors around text, but the text itself should be kept in nice cool backgrounds. --BlueHighwind
Or maybe you just need glasses. --Crazyswordsman 20:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Bright Orange and green, the 2nd best and a general good color resepctively, what's to hate about it? I can understand those who think it's a bit on the eyes, but it's good to do something different especially when it's two of the better colors on the spectrum. AnonyMan 20:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I prefer to think that CSM is colorblind since the opposing viewpoint is he is insane or has bad taste. In any case, I'm tempted to give him a test template. --TacticAngel 20:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Nice try, TA. But I put up the fight. --Crazyswordsman 20:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
That means what to me? --TacticAngel 20:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm willing to compromise. We can use the boring, dull, why-are-we-having-cheese-sauce-for-lunch-again colors so long as we get the conversation back to Yuffie and Rikku! --Crazyswordsman 22:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Agreed! ... now, am I supposed to be gauging this on who is the better ninjar or who I want to do more... --TacticAngel 23:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Whatever you want. Preferably which one stinks the least..... --Crazyswordsman 00:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Now all it as it should be. Rikku sucks, Yuffie sucks. What's left to say? --BlueHighwind
I agree with CSM. After awhile, the formal, dull colors get boring. -- ChiefKakashi 19:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
This one is hard!!! I love them both...decisions, decisions -- himbo 19:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Rikku doesn't exactly suck BH. In FFX-2, mind, she DOES suck. HORRIBLY. More than even Selphie. But in FFX she ruled. --Crazyswordsman 01:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Rikku was worthless in FFX. She was standing on excellent skill nodes (Steal, Mug), however as a fighter she could put the hookers in Jersey City to shame with how much she sucked. Weak attacks, no defense, unimpressive speed and evade. Too low for a proper Thief. Plus Mix was so complicated with so many possible variations that you needed a Master's Degree in Mixery just to use it properly. I just want to fight, not memorize tables. Plus you didn't need her anyway. Auron, Tidus, Yuna, and Lulu could easily take care of any trouble you would find. --BlueHighwind
My walkthrough tells you all the useful mixes. It's like with Gau's Rages, you don't have to know them all, just the useful ones. It's the ONLY way to get Marvel Shoes in FFX. --Crazyswordsman 02:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Rikku was one of the best characters in FFX, in my opinion, at least from a combat perspective. I left her with SOS-Haste always. Since you knew exactly what order people were going to attack in, you could often switch in a (battered and bruised) Rikku who would, given her natural speed plus all the other factors, often get to go two or even three times in a row and be able to be switched out quickly for other characters in order to avoid attacks. --TacticAngel 09:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Ugh, that one anon's vote essay for Yuffie nearly made me puke. -- Alcaeus

Yeah, you're telling me. And she mentions AC and DoC, two blights on the world of FF, just like FFX-2 was. --Crazyswordsman 07:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if that person could do a full, 8-page disertation on the character of Yuffie? An interesting though, especially since they have generalised or guessed a good deal about her character (how anyone could tell anything about any of the characters in VII from AC is beyond me) Also, I am incredibly happy to see a good old polarising fight on the DNC once again. RedMage

You can tell a couple things about two of the characters in AC. Cloud was emo and had porcupine hair and Tifa had giant boobs. But physical traits don't count do they? -- ChiefKakashi 16:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Which is enough to know that they're prettyboys. --Crazyswordsman 18:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, physical traits count for something, I was going to vote for Rikku based off of her X-2 art.(shallow, I know) I thought that this fight would be closer when I first saw it come up, but then again I am pretty ignorant when it comes to X and its fanbase.--Oranejo 18:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Damn. This went from a fairly even competition to a massacre. You had a good run there, Yuffie, but it seems like you're done. --Blykus 19:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Poor Yuffie is losing. I'm going to cry. --Kami strife 20:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
And by a pretty large margin too. I wasn't aware at the extent to which people hate Yuffie or something. They hate her like she's Cait Sith or something(even though Cait's much cooler). AnonyMan 23:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I hate this guy like he's Cait Sith. --BlueHighwind 23:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Loll, What? Cait Sith isn't as bad as people think. Not nearly as bad as most of the VII main cast.AnonyMan 23:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Die Yuffie! Die, DIE, DIE!!! --Alcaeus Calm down Alcaeus, calm down. We all love killing, but now is not the time for yelling death threats. Besides, she hardly seems to need any encouragement. RedMage If this fight continues, it will be like nuking a dead body. It should be changed soon. -- ChiefKakashi 16:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Week 62: Edge v. Shadow

EdgeDS
Winner!!
Shadow
200px-Ff6 shadow

35 ½ to 25
200px-Ff6 shadow
These were the first two ninjas, also notable as the two ninjas with the least character development. Based on their shadowy past, which do you think has the edge?

Votes for Edge

  1. Rabadash: Not knowing much about either, I'll go with edge
  2. Magus: Gonna have to go with Edge on this one. By far my favorite character in FF4. Never have been that big of a fan of Shadow. Always been kind of useless for me.
  3. AnonyMan: I haven't played FFIV yet, but I already know Edge would be my favorite character. He's got cool skills AND a good personlity(could go without the womanizing though). Shadow is pretty damn lame, Terra lame even. Only thing that makes him noticable is Interceptor, who's the real character. I hope it doesn't get extremely onesided Edge is geat.
  4. Bob the geomancer 16:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC) wow edge is getting a lot less votes than i thought he would
  5. ChiefKakashi: About time! I vote for the one who's losing.
  6. Pablo618: I prefer a ladies-man, funny ninja than a ninja that leaves when he wants to
  7. Zolo:Edge no question about it!
  8. Hexed: He is one of the best characters in IV, namely due to one reason.
  9. Silent Meiousei: Edge, Edge, EDGE!!!! He's awesome^^
  10. Alcaeus: While I like Shadow more than Edge, Edge is hot. I think I'm going to vote with my...well, you know...Plus Edge is losing, and I hate to see a sexy man cry.
  11. Hiddensilver: What Alcaeus said.
  12. Montblanc: I give the slight edge (pardon the pun) to Edge. Edge just has more personality to him, and I have a soft spot for smart aleck horn dogs.
  13. VitoRyu: Edge.
  14. CeKain: Definitely Edge. I'm not a fan of Ninjas, and I havn't played the games they are in, but Edge definitely has the better artwork.
  15. Emo DST: For reasons best known to myself, I will be keeping my reasons to myself.
  16. Aleria: Edge. I've actually played IV and Edge is wicked. Never played Shadow, but he can't beat Edge.
  17. 8bit_BlackMage: I love Interceptor and the backstory with Relm, but as a fighter Shadow never did it for me. His little ninja knives did mediocre damage, and his magic score sucked. Edge may be a loudmouth, but he's the fastest character in IV, which means he dual-wields twice before Kain even gets off a lance strike. And he has good taste in women.
  18. im going with edge sorry shadow--Griffen78 20:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
  19. Aramis: They both rule, but Edge rules the most.
  20. FinalFighterA+: Definitely going with Edge. Why? Simple: Edge> every other FF ninja
  21. Bartz235: FinalFighterA+ and Anonymous vote #3 said everything I needed to say. Hands down the BEST ninja in the series and one of the best overall characters in the series.
  22. Well, I don't really care for either one, but I'm going with Edge for a few reasons: 1) His name is cooler, and less...cliche. Not much less, mind you. 2) *points up* That's a pretty sick picture, brah. 3) I guess there isn't a three. Oh well. --RB

Anonymous votes

  1. Josh EDGE! He's badass. The Cloud of Final Fantasy IV. Way cooler than Shadow.
  2. This is a REALLY, REALLY HARD DECISION FOR ME. My vote is going to Edge because I generally prefer the flirty types of characters (see also: Edgar, Zidane). Additionally, Edge gets to throw the spoon. But as I said, this is a tough tough decision!
  3. Seriously, I can't believe all those suckers are voting for Shadow. I mean lets look at the facts here. Edge is 1) Royalty 2) Able to dual wield weapons without needing an accessory 3) able to use a variety of status (Shadow Stitch), buffing (Image), utility (Smoke), and group damage (Katon, Suiton, and Raijin) magics without needing magicite 4) Can Steal as well as Throw on top of his already-mentioned abilities. 5) Is not some lamer that ran out on his daughter and tried to fake like his dog was an OK consolation prize. Its pretty apparent, Shadow is just some lamer in black pajamas, trying to hustle the common man by using the reputation of the ninja to line his pockets.
  4. Edge is A LOT better than Shadow. I could go on and elaborate but I mean c'mon Shadow left his own daughter who is one of the best mages in the series. Interceptor is awesome though. Edge is all things cool and badass of a ninja while Shadow is all things not.
  5. EmuMaster: Edge by a long shot. He has the coolest name in Final Fantasy, no joke. Edward Geraldine, you are officially a badass.
  6. ??????: I believe that many above me have explaned the reasons he is a better ninja more eloquently than I can put it. I would also like to add that Edge was more reliable than Shadow. As ninjas, theives, etc, go, my favorite is the childlike Yuffie Kisaragi. Between these two, however, I would like to vote for the very charming Edge who actually stays with the party for easy leveling up.

Votes for Shadow

  1. Rydiaofmist: Dang, this is a tough call. I'm gonna go with Shadow though. His cold and mysterious personality really stood out to me.
  2. Crazyswordsman: Ooooooh, toughie. I'm gonna go with Shadow for several reasons though: 1. Interceptor 2. Because he can pretty much own any Ninja ever invented 3. Because he's secretive 4. He doesn't hit on the hot girls.
  3. Big mamou: I'm going with Shadow because I never had trouble keeping him alive. Edge seems to be the walking target in my current FF IV Advance playthrough. Plus Shadow had some pretty bad ass lines while Edge just went all emo whiney for most of the story.
  4. Adam mcduck: Shadow was my favourite character from FFVI. He's the best Ninja/Assassin ever. He has interceptor. I recruited him at every point in the story I could. I got annoyed whenever he left your party when you recruit him. Need I say more?
  5. MK: One of the few badass ninja these days (we must be in a drought or something). And unlike Edge, he doesn't constantly flash it in your face. Intercepter ftw.
  6. Crimsonshadow619: I gotta go with Shadow all the way in this one. He's just that much better than Edge. Unlike Edge, Shadow has certain ninja traits and abilities. He's quiet, cool-headed and fairly straight forward. Edge...not so much. Also, Shadow personifies Ninja in that he KICKS ASS!!!
  7. Arausio:Shadow is just so damn cool,he has a dog that defends him how can Edge beat that
  8. BlueHighwind: I never played FFVI, but I can tell you that nobody else has a soundtrack ripped off from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
  9. Cheesewow: Check ninja in the dictionary, and try to think of a better one then him. There are none. sorry Edge.
  10. Go interceptor!!!!!! Cloudofdarkness 15:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  11. Zeromus EG
  12. Because Shadow is damn awesome!!! Oath to Order 15:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  13. Drake1:No contest. To CSM, Shadow didn't have to hit on the hot girls, all he had to do was look at them.
  14. JARIITX:I'm not fond of Edge, so it's Shadow FTW.
  15. Darkling692: Shadow is the Non Plus Ultra of ninjas in FF, but I vote for him because he is not Edge and because of Interceptor.
  16. Ctaylor503: Is this a one-sided battle? I think it is.
  17. Blykus: I'm gonna have to go with Shadow on this one, although I am a fan of Edge. Edgar's quote about the man ("He'd slit his momma's throat for a nickel!") is one of those lines that have just stuck with me--which probably influences this vote.
  18. Kennedy!: Hmm, hard choice this. Well, have to go with Shadow because he uber-pwnz all with Throw, and Edge sucks at stealing. Oh yeah.
  19. Corrino: Shadow is more classically a ninja and mysterious
  20. Hydronisa: Interceptor was dealing damage in the thousands way before I ever was. I have to hand it to this guy. He doesn't lie when he says that his dog eats faces.
  21. Alexander Namingway: Edge has been watching too much Naruto and has forgetten what real ninjas are. He should take some lessons from Shadow. Remember, subtle and stealthy not annoying and loud.
  22. Drake Clawfang:Shadow is bad-ass, while Edge is just a loudmouth. Rydia can do way better than him.
  23. tomtheroadkill:Has to be Shadow. NEVER EVER liked Edge. Too much of a complete and utter waste of space. Shadow, however, is dark, mysterious and armed with Interceptor. What more could you ask for?
  24. dudutsai: A very close one for me. Shadow's theme won me over.... such a great theme.
  25. Pikmin Master: Shadow can use Quick. Shadow can use Ultima. Shadow, if equipped properly, can equip Ragnarok and Ultima Weapon while at the same time, using Quick and Valor (Advance version). Edge can't do those. Shadow is the definition of a Ninja. I quite laugh at the truth of Namingway's comment.
  26. SCM: Shadow is a lot better than that moron.
  27. Gaming-King: let's go with Shadow.
  28. Jordanlee24: I think that Shadow played a much better role in FFIV than what Edge did in FFVI and I much preferred his personality. He looks more like a ninja than what Edge does too!
  29. Henryacores: Edge is just plain annoying. I swapped him for Yang. Surely the game's second worst character. Weak and annoying.
  30. Shinryu: Shadow has Interceptor (which can do some major ownage) and elemental scroll throwing is more damaging than any Ninjitsu from Egde, thus Shadow can use any magic with help of magicite and the shurikens are far cheaper in VI than in IV.
  31. Terra_Homing: It's shadow, what else needs to be said?

Anonymous votes

  1. Meghan: Shadow is ten times cooler then Edge. And plus Shadow is a dog lover and Interceptor can mess you up!
  2. Checkit-Clyde Arrowny. Word to your mother.
  3. Troy: Shadow is the only answer. Cool, collected, father of Relm, master of Interceptor and he takes on Kefka and the Warring Triad to allow the others to escape the Floating Island.
  4. Edge hits on Rydia-Pedophile >:P
  5. David. Shadow. Definitely Shadow. His real name is Clyde! Seriously awesome.
  6. Seeing as how Shadow is a ninja badass, and Edge is a cradlerobbing wimp...I'm going to have to say Shadow. A true silent badass, loyal to his friends, and merciless to his foes; Shadow holds my respect.
  7. WOO-HOO One sided fights!!!
  8. Go Shadow!

Peanut Gallery

I really wish, if you insist upon changing the pictures, you make the colors match and the pictures the same height... --TacticAngel 05:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've tried that many a time. I mean, you used the artwork images in your last many fights. Why not this one? --Crazyswordsman 05:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Mostly because the two pictures above are akin to hollywood rendered badass vs. 3rd grade refridgerator art village person. --TacticAngel 05:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, you're entitled to your opinion TA, and I'm not going to say otherwise. And besides, abstraction pwns fahnsshy schmahnchy graphics anyday. --Crazyswordsman 05:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Couldn't we do sprites just once? Must every fight be in 3D. Its nice and all, but we could use a classic fight every once in a while. --BlueHighwind

How come the Yuffie vs Rikku fight wasn't picked? I'm not only saying this because it's my fight but it also only had 1 Reject vote and more Support votes than Edge and Shadow and any other fight suggested on here. If it was because of the coding I had it all on my sandbox page.-Azul 05:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Probably because theres too much good fights hidden in the DNC talk pages beneath all the rubbish. I'd like to clean it up someway or other. [^_^]/
Because this was the oldest fight which had a supermajority. Ditzes next week, I promise. (and yes, TA, that also has a supermajority, so it's not me being a dictator). --Crazyswordsman 06:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
There are others that have solid, if not nearly unanimous majorities that have languished there just as long if not longer. I'll look it over. I happen to like the idea, so it will probably happen at some point, but when I hear children whine about not getting their candy, I can't very well give it to them. They should not learn that bad behavior is rewarded. As I have discussed in the past, there are a lot of things that influence my decision. --TacticAngel 18:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
It's going to happen next week, and I'm going to put it up personally. --Crazyswordsman 07:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Are you at least going to color code it reasonably? --TacticAngel 20:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what that means. All I know is Yuffie's color is green and Rikku's is orange. Or BORANGE. Like FOBBIES are. --Crazyswordsman 03:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Something about that say not to much... coordinated colors with the most prodominant color of the picture... thats what I tend to try to do. --03:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I can do that. --Crazyswordsman 16:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yay, my fight. My FIRST fight suggestion at that. Cloudofdarkness 15:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

About damn time. Oath to Order 15:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Damn straight Cloudofdarkness 14:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Edge is losing pretty badly. I feel kinda sorry for him...Yuanchosaan 07:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

RedMage Another boring (in terms of comments) fight. When will there be another massivly polar fight that splits the wiki down the middle into two arch-rival factions again?

Sing the female part of Con te partirò flawlessly, then we'll stop holding out on you guys and give the good fights. --BlueHighwind
Agree with Redmage --Bartz235

Week 61: Ramza v. Delita

Ramza
Winner!!
Ramza
Ramza

23 ½ to 13
FFT Delita2
These two can be compared only fairly in two regards; tactical brilliance and thistle blowing virtuosity. Who triumphs?!

Votes for Ramza

  1. W00t first vote. Hexed
  2. "Your actions are only meaningful only if they hold your ideals, don't you agree?"--NeA
  3. Bob the geomancer 12:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  4. Dickens Greentree Windshot, the Archer: I never play the game Final Fantasy Tactics, but I read their pages, and Razma is best! Note: Delita is all orange ;]
  5. ChiefKakashi: Random vote.
  6. Crazyswordsman: Gotta go with Ramza
  7. Henryacores: Ramza is the good guy and he defeated like...6 Lucavi! He's not rotten like Delita who gets to be the king of Ivalice by being treacherous.
  8. VitoRyu: Ramza.
  9. Ramza. i dont recall Delita killin any demons, do i? just using ramzas triumph to ascend to the throne. plus Delita killed Ovelia!Superaeon35 20:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  10. Hiddensilver: I've never been comfortable with manipulation as a tool for the "good". I'm voting for the guy I can trust and who can sleep soundly at night without the fear of getting stabbed in the back by the next brilliant manipulator that comes by.
  11. Holly: yay! what a cool fight! i must vote too! well...i'm not a fan of these two, i like more Mustadio!xD, hmmm, both are cool guys, but i don't like how delita changed...that's why i vote for ramza! he's like battousai himura, a warrior who will never down on hystory!(?), and he has a black armor (thats cool) oh! and he has guts,(duh!). So... GO ON RAMZA!
  12. BigSlurp: Tough choice here. Really don't care too much for either one. Rolled a die, and it can up odd, so here is my vote.
  13. Zolo:Got to go with Ramza for being truthful and didn't get credit for saving his world,Delita is just a lying BIMBO who took credit for things he didn't do and also he killed his WIFE what a evil dude.
  14. 8bit_BlackMage: Going with Ramza on this one. I thought both charcters were excellent, far above the one-sided charcters in other games that receive more acclaim. Delita's murder of Goltanna and ending scenes were fantastic, but...Ramza actually killed the Lucavi, he's a Dual-Wielding Samurai in my game, he gets to hang out with Orlandeau and Agrias, and his sense of honor in my view trumps Delita's deceit. Not that I'm criticizing Delita.
  15. Alcaeus: I like both, so it came down to one thing: Ramza's brother Zalbag is a HOT PIECE OF ASS. ;)
  16. Darkling692: I vote for the two handed monk who beat the crap out of Belius in the hardest fight in any Final Fantasy I've ever played.
  17. Mizuno Mahou: Like Alcaeus, I like both characters, but you really get attached to Ramza. Ramza has a strong sense of justice, he cares deeply for his sister, and has no tolerance for those with evil intentions. Ramza can also be quite humorous in some parts of the story, too.
  18. Ctaylor503: Tactical thistles? What? The main character gets my vote. I just couldn't identify with Delita.
  19. Rabadash: Ramza has been my uber fighter forever! delita is Mr. I go join Goltana because imma poopy face. Ramza is positive, upbeat, and will not let peety relationships get in the way of the fight.
  20. CeKain: I definitely have to pick Ramza, because he was uber strong. When I played FFT: War of the Lions, I took the time to master every class and make him an Onion Knight, and played with my friend to get the extra equips, and ever since I did that, he has always been my favorite out of the two. Go Ramza!
  21. TacticAngel: I never really cared for Delita. War of the Lions made him a little less of a b****, but still...

Anonymous votes

  1. He's the good guy, can't argue good intentions.
  2. ??????: I have never played this game, but I skimmed both profiles for research. It seems to me that because of the horrible experience Delita had been through, he had become what he hated in the ones who did that to him. Ramza had a sense of justice and stuck to what he believed no matter what, even if he didn't get known for it or anything. Tactical brilliance? That is subjective. I, for one, am casting my vote for Ramza because I like nice people who aren't just using you.
  3. I adore Ramza. Yup, I do. :D
  4. Rainacide : I place my vote on Ramza. I think they are both badasses but I've always been more on Ramza's side. Ramza changes his appearance several times in the game but the ending appearance is pretty Godly. Plus Monk/Samurai/Ninja Ramza owns Holy Knight Delita. Ramza doesn't even care about making a name for himself he just wants to save his bitch & the world. While Delita picks up the dirty trash & disposes some ppl.:X
  5. Ramza kicks ass!!! Delita is not a good boy!!! D=


Votes for Delita

  1. Tactical brilliance? I've gotta go with Delita on this one. He's a master manipulator and an excellent strategist. --Rydiaofmist
  2. My idea! My idea! Horray! Horray! I vote for Delita because he is a power-hungry, ambitious, machiavellian type, and a playa around Ovelia. --BlueHighwind
  3. Delita was my favorite character in Tactics because of how he was able to manipulate everyone....and his grass-whistling skills are top notch. Oranejo 16:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  4. I'm not really a Delita fan, I hold him in the exact same moderate opinion I do as Ramza, this vote is just luck based. One thing I can say about Delita that he has over Ramza is his sprite consitently looked cool. Where are the Delita votes, I figrued this match would be even from the get go? C'mon people!AnonyMan 19:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  5. I'm going with Delita because thus far he is being utterly slaughtered. Not to mention Ramza's voice scares me. Oh, and Delita is cool. Yup. --RB
  6. Oh, thank you, finally a good match. I asked for this match half a year ago, before the remake, but everyone thought it would be stupid. Anyway, Delita is my favorite and least favorite character in the game. I love his plotting and planning, how he won't let anyone get in his way, but then again I can't help but hate him. It was pretty much his fault that almost every other character was dead before the end. Ahh. Now that was a satisfying vote. Unlike the votes of yesterweek. -- DrakemasterDrake
  7. It's tails, Chief. Dark raven 20:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  8. User:Booff7:Both are great but what wins Delita over is that I find him to be one of the most interesting characters of the series, just when you think he's doing the right thing, he goes and kills someone else for his own benefit. I can never tell if he's the good guy or the bad guy O_o? Plus Delita looks a bit better, and he makes mincemeat out of anything that gets in his way the few times you use him.
  9. Word. He is amazingly powerful, its a shame hes not a secret charater or something. But I'm glad we get to have a small taste of his power.--User:Khakishro
  10. Gaming-King I'am just going to go wiht Delita
  11. The Almighty Cornmander: Both characters suck ass, the game even moreso. Delita isn't half as inappropriate term of sexual distinction as Ramza.
  12. Foreign (exotic?)) VIP. Please, forgive for TRANSLIT, but in English to write I am not able...Delita- moi vibor. Mstitel, lovko manipulirujushiy vsemi, kto vstanet u nego na puti...BRAVO! Kak boec...Pri uslovii, chto oba budut prokachani isklucitelno v svoih bazovih klassah..Bez "Ultima" Ramza emu v podmetki ne goditsja! Dumaju, chto eti dostatochnoe osnovanie, chtobi datj 1 mesto Delita, a ne Ramza. Mojno eshe vodu pogonjztj...Tam, naschet bolee glamurnoy broni ili stilnoy priceski...The same text, but translate on-line the translator... To read at own risk! Delita-my choice. Its way to achieve the purposes amazes me and admires! As the fighter... Delita in the class will be stronger Ramza due to no-cast distantion-not WEAK DISTANTION-than attacks. If to give it an opportunity from others... Crush all on the way. Well and, certainly, a stylish armour and a hairdress! More abruptly only Balthir.

Anonymous votes

  1. Im gonna go with the amazingly powerful Holy Knight. He could kick Ramza's Squire ass any day. Besides, Delita survived longer than Ramza.
  2. Troy: Giving some love to those that lie, cheat and steal to gain power.

Peanut Gallery

I'd like to point out that these are updated on Wednesdays, generally, so there's no sense in whining about the definition of a week. -- TacticAngel 07:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

W00t second comment! Comment: Computer's going SMS on page for some reason, please archive if you don't mind.

Also, this is again going to be fun to watch.TheSwordofDoubt 11:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

For once I'm not gonna vote coz i've never played Tactics and can't judge either of the characters. Adam mcduck 16:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I can't vote in good faith because I can't remember too much about Final Fantasy Tactics. --Blykus 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Tactics suxs... no vote Tuga
Never played FF Tactics (PS1 or PSP) so I can't vote in this one. -- JARIITX 19:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Those who haven't played Tactics: get to it. For those who hate Tactics: you're an idiot. And for those who don't know anything: be quiet. The wise one shuts up when he is out of his element. That is all. --BlueHighwind
Or flips a coin for who to vote for. >.> -- ChiefKakashi 20:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Pablo618: I'm abstaining to vote because I haven't played the game. ^^ Although I don't hate it if someone is going to insult me
Man, I didn't realize you hated FFT so much Blue. --Auron Kaizer 22:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow, this is an extremely even fight thus far. I mean, at first Ramza lead Delita 9 to 3 but look at it now. This is nothing like the last...uh...*tries to count and then gives up*...several...fights. --RB

I can't decide who to vote for. I was edging toward Ramza, but he was winning by a landslide, then Delita caught up, so....hmm. We'll see. 8bit BlackMage 19:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
@RB: Tifa vs. Rydia was within one-half to one point for the first few days. -- ChiefKakashi 19:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Then the fanboys came... Oath to Order 19:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Which ones? The IV or VII fanboys? Oh, and don't forget the VII haters! -- ChiefKakashi 22:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

No vote.... The combination of the two is what makes the game amazing, but I can't really say which is better. dudutsai

I hated Tactics ... so No vote. The game could have been alot better. -- Southgale

Southgale if u mess around with my text w/e i'll hunt u down and kill you by slaping u in the face. Tuga

Dunno much about either character, anyone willing to try and influence my vote? RedMage

Flip coin. Head Ramza. Tails Delita. Simple. Oath to Order 23:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hasn't this plan already been done in like, oh I don't know, the last year or so? AzureDrake 15:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC

This is turning out to be a pretty boring match. @Oath: what do I pick if it lands on it's side and balances there? RedMage

Yeah, too bad none of the fanboys play FFT. Its too hard for their pathetic lack of skills, intelligence, or imagination. --BlueHighwind

Week 60: Balthier v. Cloud

Winner!!
Balthier

47½ to 37
Who's the prettiest man?

Votes for Balthier

  1. Rydiaofmist: Balthier is by far hotter than Cloud, in both looks and personality. He's smooth, charming, and witty. Cloud is a good hero, but waaaaaay too screwed up.
  2. dudutsai: Not Cloud... Balthier.
  3. OmgItsFrenchie: As much as I love Chocobo Head I'll have to go with Balthier. What can I say? He has the looks, the accent and he's by far the coolest character in the series :D
  4. Crimsonshadow619: Cloud's got the raw power, but Balthier has the brains and the ability to use them. Also, the gun gives him a bit of a range advantage
  5. SCM: If you read what I posted in the last match's peanut gallery, you'd realize that this is a NO DUH!!!
  6. Blykus: My vote goes to the leading man; who else?
  7. Mymindislost: WOOOOO AWESOME. ^_^ I think we all know who I'm going for in this one. :P
  8. First off, he has a Viera as a partner and he essentially has Ashe on a leash. Hexed
  9. Hiddensilver:I haven't even played FFXII (just RW) but I have to go with Balthier. He's got the good looks, and his intelligence is just HOT! Cloud gets depressed, goes bonkers way too often, and is TOO pretty. (I prefer my pretty men to look like men, thank you very much).
  10. Gaming-king:Iam going with Balthier ok
  11. SS: Hard.. cloud is awesome but balthier can change weapons(advantage).
  12. What Final Fantasy character can you spend all day quoting lines from? Balthier. Not Cloud, only the leading man Sky Pirate. This is not a game, this is a slaughter. --BlueHighwind
  13. There are FAR too many reasons to vote for Balthier over Cloud that there’s no WAY I could fit them all in here. So let’s analyze a few: 1) He’s a sky pirate. The way I see it, a sky pirate beats a depressed SOLDIER any day. 2) Jus’ look at him. Go on, do it. 3) His voice is Bond-worthy. 4) He’s not a depressed, lackadaisical emo. 5) Cloud is seriously overrated. 6) FFVII is SERIOUSLY overrated. 7) He’s got that hot Viera chick. Cloud’s just got a girl with jugs the size of your head. 8) He uses guns. Way more original than “GIANT SWORD LAWL”. 9) Balthier owns his own airship. Cloud just rides on one. 10) Most Important: How could I not vote for him? He is the leading man, after all! --Rabid Biscuit
  14. Crazyswordsman: Balthier would first win in a match of logic, and then in a match to the death. I vote for the leading man who keeps his cool over the one who can't control himself.
  15. cuz he's better in every concievable way, except for cross-dressing, cloud wins that.Cloudofdarkness 14:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  16. Silent Meiousei: Balthier is more cooler than Cloud. He hasn't got some tragic whining problems from past. He's just a handsome, cool guy...who doesn't reflect for self-analysis...
  17. Drake Clawfang: Balthier sounds cool, but I'm mostly voting against Cloud. He reminds me of Cyan and the two of them spend the game moping about things that aren't their fault and getting all emo. Plus, Balthier is man-pretty, and man-pretty is pretty cool for a man.
  18. Dickens Windshot: I think Balthier and Final Fantasy XII is best than Cloud and Final Fantasy VII. Balthier is smart and has style, but Cloud is just depressed. I vote on the sky pirate and the leading man!
  19. ChiefKakashi: Lets make this as one-sided as possible!
  20. Henryacores: I'm not a Balthier fan, but Cloud is Gay. (I will surely get a test1/2/3/banned for this(>>), but I won't change this. Cloud is the only gay ass I hate in the world. Fran kicks ass though.
  21. Adam mcduck: Balthier isn't necessarily my favourite character (although he is cool), Cloud is just my least favourite character from VII.
  22. Cloud is overrated and has a sword that's 20x too large. Balthier is a pirate with a gun. He's also the leading man in a game where he's not necessarily supposed to be the real leading man. Guess who wins? Zero Exillerius 21:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  23. Falbub: Voting for the sexy brit here. I was never a big fan of emo main characters, so yeah.
  24. Pablo618: I'm going for the leading man, who else?
  25. Alcaeus: Balthier isn't pretty, he's sexy. Cloud isn't pretty, he's a pussy.
  26. Aleria: Balthier. No reason, just...Balthier is cool.
  27. Jammi568: Because a) Balthier is manlier, what with the voice and the ability to attract any woman he wants, and b) he can feel some other emotion other than emoism
  28. tomtheroadkill: I've never really liked Cloud that much. And Balthier certainly has a bigger ego than Cloud!
  29. Alexander Namingway: I don't hate FFVII and I think giant swords are awesome. It's just that Cloud has less personality than a brick. Balthier has uproarious wit, character depth, and Fran. A few lines from Balthier put a smile on my face, a few of Clouds lines from AC put me to sleep.
  30. Yellowmoogle: I hate Cloud because, what kind of person has to warp his own past to be cool. Besides Balthier is way way better than anyone.
  31. BritBoy: Balthier had that effortless coolness, Cloud whined too much for my taste, especially in Advent Children
  32. Cactuar83:Cloud you spikey-headed jerk! Balthier would kick your ass!
  33. Datura: I'm playing through both VII and XII at the min and i must say, Balthier rocks the HARDEST!
  34. Mateus_the_Corrupt: When I saw Cloud, he was some sort of *sigh* nothing, never use a long-ranged attack. For Balthier, he could use his gun for long-ranged attack. So don't pick Cloud! Choose Balthier to be your vote!
  35. User:Mizuno Mahou: I am picking Balthier simply because he's added a lot to Final Fantasy XII. He was simply everything that Cloud was not. Balthier was smooth-talking, optimistic, funny, upbeat, and Balthier was actually an interesting character. Cloud is simply everyone's favorite because of his out-of-place (not in Final Fantasy VII) oversized spiked hair and sword.
  36. User:Traibian: Cloud is really overrated. Balthier is way better
  37. Ivalicia: I like Cloud a lot, but Balthier is much 'prettier.'
  38. PapaBear: Balthier is the main man,But Cloud does rock.Balthier seems as an achievable real life character were as
  39. Sorceress Heartilly: Balthier has normal hair and wears a pair of dangly ear rings (Balthiers metro style>>>Clouds macho leather look)
  40. Xmd5a: Balthier is THE leading man after all. And, you know what they say about THE leading man? He NEVER dies. So, logically, Balthier CANNOT lose.

Anonymous votes

  1. Balthier doesn't just have brains, he's got good looks and clothes to go with them.
  2. Balthier could probably moon-walk better than Cloud.
  3. Balthier is the sexiest Final Fantasy character ever. His manner, demeanor, attitude... dead sexy.
  4. Im going to have to go with Balthier on this one. Partly to spite cloud, and the rest because Balthier is just plain awesome.
  5. Pitty vote, plus I hate Cloud.
  6. Cloud cant exist, His swords are as big as he is! That just puts a thorn in my side so I vote for Balthier.
  7. Troy: Would have to say Balthier, because of the James Bond like demeanor. And I think we know how Bond did with the ladies (or in this case Viera).
  8. Balthier of course, like his attitude.
  9. Sephiroth: Baltheir is way preetier .
  10. Definitely Balthier; he's not a whiny little wannabe like Cloud is.
  11. Rainacide: I'll go with Balthier, as cool & as much as I'm a fan of Cloud. Everyone likes him. But Balthier has some catchy lines, something Cloud doesn't have. I'm pretty much sick of silent protagonist or those emo bitch ones. Only silent protagonist I actually like is Serge from Chrono Cross. But to the main point, Balthier - can use a shitload of weapons, has a busty Viera chick and is the LEADING MAN!
  12. EmuMaster: Okay, poeple who are familiar with me shouldn't have to be told that I hate Cloud or why. Since I vote in all of these, I assume you all know me. =P Oh, and for the love of god, if Cloud actually wins, I am so done with you people -_-
  13. Cloud is an impossable.
  14. I say Balthier all the way.
  15. A man with clothes like that, a bunny partner like that, and is just that hot, you can't help but admire. I know I do. He actually does justice to his Viera partner. Cloud could be prettier than Tifa, for heavens sake. And for those who have said that a pirate with a gun is not very creative, well, the only thing creative about Cloud is his chocobo hair and ginormous sword. He has the personality of a rock. It's non-freakin'-existant. The only thing I like about Cloud is that he can cross-dress. How that's possible with hair like that I will never know. Balthier on the other hand is suave, cool and way too awesome. And his gold vest and tight black pants? A bucket of win. Balthier rules! By the way, Falconier111, in case you never noticed, in FFXII killing Imperials with a dagger, a sword or even a bow took longer time than it would killing them with a gun. One shot from Balthier and the Imperial was dead. I don't know about you, but that's pretty damn strong to me. Besides, Auron can pull of the angsty giant sword wielding look way better than Cloud ever will or even wishes he could. So there.
  16. How can Cloud beat the leading man? I mean, the leading man rules all.

Votes for Cloud

  1. Shyny:I don't know what everyone has with Balthier. I don't understand how any of FFXII character can stand a chance against those of FFVII. None of them has any development and i can't see anything original on Balthier. His past, his James Bond like acting, as well many says Buster Swords is weird but definitely much more original than a gun.
  2. JARIITX:All I can say is speak softly and carry a big sword, so I'm going with Cloud.
  3. I dunno..flamboyant and me never mix well.--N/A
  4. BSW Cloud for sure.. cloud has got the moves, the hair, the style, The Sword, the sheer power, The Personallity... CLOUD HAS IT!!!!
  5. Varehemsko:Hopefully this won't just turn into a 'who's the better character' poll. That is if people read the goddamn question! Anyway enough ranting. Balthier, wearing a dress? I know he likes his clean shirts and all, but Cloud just seems to edge it. He looks about as at home in a dress as anyone would in his place. But with one difference: a fat lech like Don Corneo actually BELIEVES Cloud is a woman.
  6. Otherarrow: Cloud is better than Ffamran because Cloud is actully the main charater. And he thinks he's Zack, who is so much better and prettier than that Han Solo clone.
  7. Bob the geomancer i've only played revenant wings wings balthier, and he sucks
  8. Xadren: Cloud is the best character I've ever seen and when I say "Cloud" I mean the FF7's Cloud. He was the first character to have a similar success, he's got a big sword, he's silent but at the same time a great warrior. A simple man who has a great will. Go Cloud!
  9. james.himbo: True to form, I'm voting for the Final Fantasy VII character. But if there was ever a battle that made me almost pick the non-VII character, it was this one.
  10. (I am going to get SO much flack for this) Buster Sword, sorry, but i'm forced to vote for it. It's prettier than either of the charaters, therefore, based on looks, buster sword wins. RedMage
  11. AuronKaizer: Yeah, I vote for BlueHighWind (in this case illustrated by a numbskull like Cloud) as the most overrated bastard of these two.
  12. CanineStarSirius: I like Cloud a lot... His crossdressing part was hilarious. And I love the buster sword. And Omnislash Limit Break. Love it.Anti-gravity hair gel for the win. And Cloud (Balthier fans, don't kill me), in my humble opinion, is hotter. :3
  13. Superaeon: Is cloud seriusly losing to blathier?!?!? and any one who says gun give advantage, watch advent children, particuarly the scene where cloud faces off with yazoo and loz at the same time. Sword beats the gun!!
  14. MYVizm: I'm voting for Cloud. Why explain? He's awesome ^^
  15. This contest is boring as fuck.Is there any fights that make us think?Seifer Gunblade 23:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  16. Drake:Yawn.
  17. PhoenixDew: Hard to pick, cause they are both purty, but I think Cloud, especially AC Cloud one ups Balthier on the prettiness scale. I guess I like the whole emo thing.
  18. Meh, I vote for Cloud. If anything to counter the annoying, "I hate FFVII, therefore I will vote against anything that is FFVII related" vote(s).Oranejo 02:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
  19. ShadowLaguna: Here's to the spikey haired, awesome character who is one of my favourite fictional characters of all time. Plus, he was the first FF character I liked!
  20. 8bit_BlackMage: Sort of a pity vote. I dunno, when I look at the close-up image of Balthier, I note his earrings, assorted bangles, and.....sweater? Cloud looks like more of a Final Fantasy character. Please don't chew my head off, I have played neither of these games and am going on first impressions.
  21. Sora G. Strife 11:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC): Well, a huge sword that can actually block bullets and can probably crush a building in one shot? Balthier may be way cooler, but in a fight to the death, a person trained specially to dodge bullets (in his imagination, at least) can OWN.
  22. Kyoku Sefirosu Cloud can't even be compared to Balthier, end of story
  23. Etch: Cloud is the man, what else can i say. Balthier may be suave but there will never be another character as complex as cloud, and thats what makes him more appealing.
  24. Vampyro entertaiment 14:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC) CLOUD!!! if someone can defeat sephiroht then anyone else is just apiece of cake!!!
  25. Zolo6 Cloud totally has the ability to beat him as seen in Advent Children Cloud is still strong without Materia.Balthier without the Lisence board he's nothing but a man who speaks Shakesspear with a gun which Cloud block his bullets.HA ha !!!
  26. MCMLXXXIV: I shall vote for all the wrong reasons because it seems to be in style.
  27. Cheesewow: Pure pity vote. I would much rather vote for Balthier, but he already has like a 20 vote lead. so pity vote it is
  28. TacticAngel

Anonymous votes

mj

  1. big ass sword lets see balthier surive omnieslash.
  2. ??????: Balthier has that "James Bond" thing going for him, very charming. "I'm the leading man, who else?" He also looks good in formal dress. When I see Cloud, though, I just want to hug him. His spiky hair, that incidently earns him his nickname, looks very cute on him. He makes a uniform work and is femenine-looking enough to look like a girl in a dress. I don't think Balthier would dare to dress as a lady and he would probably not look much like a girl in it. Based on looks alone, as the question indicated, Cloud Strife gets my vote.
  3. Yumiko: Go Cloud! I dont know why people like Balthier so much. As I said before VII is better than XII. VII already has Before Crisis, Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, and the soon to be North American release of Crisis Core. And maybe a remake of the original game. Besides Revenant Wings I dont think Square is going to make another game/movie for XII. Also why does everyone hate Cloud! It makes me sad...T_T
  4. This is actually a hard choice. I choose the one with the sword. The First Tsurugi is better than any gun. that, and right now, he's losing :(
  5. Cloud is amazing and he's way cooler than Balthier. Just check his sword, it's huge and wicked awesome, especially the First Tsurugi. Plus he is the hero of the best Final Fantasy.
  6. Secret Asian Man: Two of the hottest girls follow Cloud in the game. Who follows Balthier? A rabbit and Vaan. And if I was gay, Cloud would be the first one to turn me on, then Squall would be second. That makes Cloud prettier than Balthier. Also i just hated FFXII because of the lack of everything needed in a game and a story.
  7. i actually have to step in for 1nce, cloud strife is the bomb he gotta win
  8. I know it's who is prettiest but FF7 was way better then the sub par FF12.
  9. Although Cloud can be a little emo, at least he goes for human girls. Furries just freak me out
  10. Cloud is the best out of any FF charecter
  11. My vote goes for Cloud :) He is way better than balthier, and FFVII is way better than FFXII. That's my opinion.
  12. usually when pit against Final Fantasy 7 characters i always vote for the second option, but in this case I will have to go with Cloud. While Balthier has got the brains, charm, and wit, What makes me like a character is power (usually.) Cloud went through the SOLDIER process, which is the only reason I like him as a main character probably. Balthier just has a wimpy gun and he doesnt use it in cool ways like Nooj. So my vote goes for Cloud.
  13. i love them both but my vote is for Cloud.
  14. cloud for sure. while i think balthier is badass, does he wield an enormous sword AND manage to keep his hair looking fantastic? not quite.
  15. Falconier111: Which is cooler? A nattily-dressed pirate with a pistol who has funny lines he says with a British accent and fights a generic Evil Empire? Or a genetically-modified super-soldier rebel with a huge-ass sword fighting the evil corporation that created him? I'll go with the second one. Besides, he fights Sephiroth. That's enough for me. To those who say Cloud is "emotional" or "whiny" - that's because Cloud's life is screwed up, which adds to his mystique. Besides, remember the scene in FFVII where Sephiroth kills Aerith? Pretty emotional, that. Also, Balthier sucks as a character in FFXII. I use Fran whenever I can, because she attacks faster and more powerfully than him.
  16. anon <3s cloud!
  17. -Anonomous-What the hell is wrong with the people who are voting for Balthier...sure he's cool but have they even PLAYED ff7 or WATCHED ff7:advent children? So what he's got a gun but i doubt he'd even be able too hit Cloud...don't beleive me ...again...watch the movie and play the game...then you'll reconsider...
  18. TacticsBlackMage- i agree w/ the guy b4 me and ive played both 2 im sure eventually he could hit him but it'd be a lucky shot if he did and for you people talkin about there looks and picking from that, stay on subject!its fighting not looks!

Peanut Gallery

Actually sorry tacticsblackmage it is the prettiest although if it was fighting cloud would definetily win.

This is gonna be fun to watch. =D TheSwordofDoubt 03:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ditto. Oath to Order 03:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hooray sexy man fight! ^_^ I didn't think this one would ever happen, and I was contemplating doing it myself. Hooray once more! --Mymindislost 05:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hope people decide to read the question. Should make things a little more even for Balthier. Bless him he's just not quite feminine-pretty. Varehemsko 06:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Anyone that thinks that they can resist Balthier, has not met the man. He could talk you into doing anything, to anyone. That is the power of Balthier. --BlueHighwind 12:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Balthier is man-pretty, that's the masculine kind of pretty that it's ok for a man to be. But Cloud is pretty-pretty, not man pretty, and that's pretty bad. Drake Clawfang 17:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

THE CONTEST IS BASED ON WHO IS THE PRETTIEST, NOT WHO IS THE LEAST PATHETIC. -- Un- own

Damn I should buy ff12... -FakeFreedom
How are guns more original then giant swords? There is only one other character in fiction that I know of that uses a sword the size of the buster sword, and he came after Cloud. I could go on forever with people (real-life or otherwise) that use guns. Oath to Order 17:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, you guys really have to stop with the gay bashing. I have had to remove two votes so far due to their offensive nature. I don't give a shit what problems you may have with gay people, nor do I care what your pastor told you about what God thinks (he's wrong by the way). Here's a fun fact for you all: those who fear homosexuals, are homosexual. They fear the gayness on the inside. --BlueHighwind 19:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I apologize on behalf of Henryacores for pointing out your sexual preference. Won't happen again. Or...? --Auron Kaizer 19:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
And to think the one who did this censorship was the one who started the gay bashing... [^_^]/ 19:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, when he was alive, CSM was a pretty mean guy with hate in his heart. --Auron Kaizer 19:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The hypocracy of democracy, indeed. I've changed my ways, now I stand on the other side of the issue. Then again, I only said those things to piss you guys off. I was a bad boy back in 2007, wasn't I? --BlueHighwind 19:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I certainly don't see any gay bashing on Henry's remark tho. He did mention that "Cloud is the only gay ass I hate in the world." Meaning he's okay with other gay asses. Is their opinion, let it fly. [^_^]/ 19:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
But then again, his only reason given for hating Cloud is because he is a "gay ass". He should not have even mentioned it if he had anything better to say. Plus I just hate gay bashing because it is cheap, lazy thinking. I don't want us to become yet another internet fan site where you can't go five minutes with somebody being called a "fag". This is a wiki, not XBox Live. --BlueHighwind 19:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
When people call something gay, I just tell them it take one to know one. -- ChiefKakashi 20:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Take my advice, just let it go. --Alcaeus
Alcaeus, I have nothing to sorry to you because you're not a gay ass. You're just gay, and there's nothing with it. If i did hurt you in any way, then I'm sorry. BH, stop being an hypocrite and making up things where they don't exist. -Henryacores
Well, make a stupid contest, get a stupid answer. --Auron Kaizer 19:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
That's logic I can live with. We have a logical compromise. It also explains that weird BH Fanboy comparing me to Cloud. Some people are just "out there". --BlueHighwind 19:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Most of these votes are for the wrong reason... they didn't read the question. Gay bashing is inevitable with a question like that though. -FakeFreedom
I would like to remind you, FakeFreedom, that not everyone on this wiki is a straight male, so I fail to see how gay bashing would be "inevitable." Besides, it's not like anyone's forcing anyone else to vote in the DNC. If someone doesn't have an opinion on the matter or doesn't want to vote, they don't have to. --Mymindislost 23:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like this had already become a one-sided fight in favor of Balthier. I'm actually shocked that Cloud's popularity has decreased over the years. Oh well, there's always hope that the next fight is much closer and more exciting. JARIITX 01:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

*Points and laughs at the Cloud votes in a mocking tone* --Crazyswordsman 03:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

*Points and laughs even harder at the Cloud votes* SCM


Also, this will be the last time I intervene (I did this only because MMIL was pissed that the girls weren't getting enough of what they wanted). From now on I will be voting on fights on the talk page, since you guys know better than I do. --Crazyswordsman 03:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Note: Also, the gay guys. Can I be the official FFWiki Fag Hag? :P --Mymindislost 04:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
You and I both know that we actually have LGBT members here, so gay jokes are even less funny and more childish than they are normally. --Crazyswordsman 13:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't be so sure, CSM. Clearly, the voted battles are as likely to be one-sided than the canned ones (and they're generally pretty repetitive). I like an active talk page, but clearly some of the affirmed suggestions there are never going to see the light of day. --TacticAngel 05:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm down, MMIL. I'm in dire need of a cyber-hag. =] Although I have a bisexual friend who SWEARS that it's impossible for bisexuals to be fag hags. It's whatever. I tried to explain that when all your friends are gay...that's a dead giveaway that you're a fag hag! --james.himbo 15:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

To the anon user who noted VII has more games than XII: that just means Square tried extra hard to squeeze money out of VII with lousy spin-offs. That XII only has one spin-off is a testament to them learning their lesson with VII and X-2 and not overdoing it. From what I've seen here most VII fans agree the spin-offs suck, so I'm not speaking from my ass here. Drake Clawfang 17:48, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yumiko: And why did Square try harder with VII? It's because everybody loved it. I've noticed on this site that alot of people hate VII and it's sequals. Can anyone give a good reason why VII and its sequals "suck". All you people can provide is Cloud is a fag or because it just sucks. I seriously hate the people who hate FFVII. >:(
Well, I love FFVII, but I hate what happened to it in the sequels. In AC Cloud's personality did a 180 from what he was at the ending of VII (went from being a strong leader to feeling sorry for himself and abandoning people that needed him). Any mystique of VII's ending was gone, people who supposedly died in FFVII sprang back up (Shinra,Sephiroth), and the badass in Cid and Barret was diminished by the fish-net shirt(Barret) and jacket tied around the waist like a soccer mom.(Cid) Visually it was stunning, but that was about all I liked about it. Personally I would have prefered the spin-offs to be character prequels like with Crisis Core. Instead of DoC being a sequel of sorts, it could have focused on Vincent's life as a Turk.Oranejo 04:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Ditto Drake2. But have in mind that Crisis Core rocks...and that's about it. Henryacores
Well, XII has two spin-offs, if you count Tactics A2, which several of it's characters appear in, and XII is a sort of spin-off of a spin-off, Tactics. Or, a spin-off of a spin-off's spin-off, Tactics Advance. This would make RV a spin-off's spin-off's spin-off's spin-off. Also, the question on the top, that's just a fun way to start the battle. It's not what you have to base your vote off of. Plus, there are no real rules at the DNC, well, not that really are about the question at the top. Sometimes there isn't even a question. -- The Drake who isn't blue and doesn't have an odd-sounding surname when you actually stop to think about it
Keep in mind that FFT is actually a spinoff of Tactics Ogre. The FFXII offshoots aren't much more quality than the FFVII, which I have enjoyed even where they were not of the same quality. Crisis Core, though, looks like a winner. Expect Zack v. Cloud. --TacticAngel 00:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Expect Zack owning Cloud. The best of Crisis Core is that Cloud barely shows up...I hope.Otherwise, I'll just bash at my PSP, yelling at his fucking dumbassness. (In case that you didn't get it I really do hate him).-Henryacores
213.105.212.129 08:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Don't worry, he doesn't.

Hahahahahaha Superaeon's vote. Just for the record, I don't hate FFVII and I don't love Balthier. But Cloud is just not better. dudutsai I want Edge vs. Shadow now...-- ChiefKakashi 20:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Yumiko: There should be a fight between Sephrioth, Angeal, and Genesis. That would be intesting.
No it wouldn't. Sephiroth wins. --BlueHighwind 13:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Yumiko: You could do it after Crisis Core releases in NA. I know some people havent gotten it yet.
But Crisis Core is not only going to be a crappy FF7 spinoff game, it's for the equally crappy PSP. --Alcaeus

G Gamer: In reference to some of the comments that I see around the Colosseum, I just wanted to say that, despite the fact that I like some Final Fantasy games better than others, I would never say that I "hate" one of them. I find it hard to believe that people could use such a strong word when referring to one of the absolute best series of video game ever created.

Well every FF generally has something that is unique about it, and some people may like it, while others may not. For instance some people like the Junction System and the love story from FF8, but I hate both (and a lot of other things from 8) so therefore I hate FF8. --Alcaeus
Still, do you actually HATE it? I mean, do you feel a deep rage inside you every time you see that game, do you hunt it down and slaughter its family? Or do you just think it's balls? I think hate is a word that is used far too much, including by me.RedMage
Actually, Red Mage, that about sums it up for me. FF8 and 7, actually. ~EmuMaster
I've only recently realized what a horrible game FF8 is. It's story is confusing, it's characters are idiotic and it's gameplay is so terrible, I have no words for it. Yes, hate is a strong word, but I gladly use it to describe my feelings for FF8. Now, I just need to finish that walkthrough I stupidly started. I've already given up on my FF5 walkthrough, I don't want to give up on two walkthroughs in a row...sigh. --Alcaeus

It's the end of the week and it's 39 and a half to 25 and a half. You know Cloud will never win. Can someone change it now? Oath to Order 02:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

RedMage I could try, but it would involve signing in as several different user names, which i don't think is very fair.

Yeah, it looks like Balthier has this one wrapped up. I voted for Cloud, but I really liked Balthier in FFT:WOTL...so I am happy either way with this one. What I want to really see is a matchup involving Delita, but I do not really think he stands a chance against any of the other main series characters.Oranejo 19:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

A few of these votes make me smile. Take Kyoku Sefirosu's for example. Number 22 for Cloud? He's EXACTLY right, Cloud can't be compared to Balthier...but he picked the wrong side to say that on. Rabid Biscuit 13:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Come on, I mean come on. Do you anon voters even READ the title of this fight??? IT IS ABOUT HOW PRETTY THEY ARE!!!!! NOT ABOUT FIGHTING SKILLS! For God's sake read the freaking instructions before you vote you idiots!! There, I've said my piece. RedMage

You're just too superficial. Characters are more than looks you know. --BlueHighwind 00:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
In defense, this match was stated to be a very superficial and fanservice laden one before it went up. I agree with your statement but that doesn't apply so much right now.AnonyMan 02:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Then again, looks still aren't everything, even when it somes to fanservice. Baltheir's personality is far sexier then Cloud's looks. --BlueHighwind 02:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
That may be true, It's still Vote "Who you think is prettiest". We all know Cloud has a terrible personality, voting based on all-around appeal wouldn't have been fair.AnonyMan 02:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

This was one sided from the start! OmgItsFrenchie

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