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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really, the Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. You may vote only once. If you are a user, please include your vote in the user . If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. It is important to do this because votes carry different weight and votes leftsection in the wrong section will be deleted. When a new fight is created, generally once per week, the votes will be totaled and winner decided. Ties may be called if the voting is within 10% of each other.

Week 60: Balthier v. Cloud

Winner!!
undecided
Who's the prettiest man?

Votes for Balthier

  1. dudutsai: Not Cloud... Balthier.
  2. OmgItsFrenchie: As much as I love Chocobo Head I'll have to go with Balthier. What can I say? He has the looks, the accent and he's by far the coolest character in the series :D
  3. Crimsonshadow619: Cloud's got the raw power, but Balthier has the brains and the ability to use them. Also, the gun gives him a bit of a range advantage
  4. SCM: If you read what I posted in the last match's peanut gallery, you'd realize that this is a NO DUH!!!
  5. Blykus: My vote goes to the leading man; who else?
  6. Mymindislost: WOOOOO AWESOME. ^_^ I think we all know who I'm going for in this one. :P
  7. First off, he has a Viera as a partner and he essentially has Ashe on a leash. Hexed
  8. Hiddensilver:I haven't even played FFXII (just RW) but I have to go with Balthier. He's got the good looks, and his intelligence is just HOT! Cloud gets depressed, goes bonkers way too often, and is TOO pretty. (I prefer my pretty men to look like men, thank you very much).
  9. Gaming-king:Iam going with Balthier ok
  10. SS: Hard.. cloud is awesome but balthier can change weapons(advantage).
  11. What Final Fantasy character can you spend all day quoting lines from? Balthier. Not Cloud, only the leading man Sky Pirate. This is not a game, this is a slaughter. --BlueHighwind
  12. There are FAR too many reasons to vote for Balthier over Cloud that there’s no WAY I could fit them all in here. So let’s analyze a few: 1) He’s a sky pirate. The way I see it, a sky pirate beats a depressed SOLDIER any day. 2) Jus’ look at him. Go on, do it. 3) His voice is Bond-worthy. 4) He’s not a depressed, lackadaisical emo. 5) Cloud is seriously overrated. 6) FFVII is SERIOUSLY overrated. 7) He’s got that hot Viera chick. Cloud’s just got a girl with jugs the size of your head. 8) He uses guns. Way more original than “GIANT SWORD LAWL”. 9) Balthier owns his own airship. Cloud just rides on one. 10) Most Important: How could I not vote for him? He is the leading man, after all! --Rabid Biscuit
  13. Crazyswordsman: Balthier would first win in a match of logic, and then in a match to the death. I vote for the leading man who keeps his cool over the one who can't control himself.
  14. cuz he's better in every concievable way, except for cross-dressing, cloud wins that.Cloudofdarkness 14:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  15. Silent Meiousei: Balthier is more cooler than Cloud. He hasn't got some tragic whining problems from past. He's just a handsome, cool guy...who doesn't reflect for self-analysis...
  16. Drake Clawfang: Balthier sounds cool, but I'm mostly voting against Cloud. He reminds me of Cyan and the two of them spend the game moping about things that aren't their fault and getting all emo. Plus, Balthier is man-pretty, and man-pretty is pretty cool for a man.
  17. ChiefKakashi: Lets make this as one-sided as possible!
  18. Henryacores: I'm not a Balthier fan, but Cloud is Gay. (I will surely get a test1/2/3/banned for this(>>), but I won't change this. Cloud is the only gay ass I hate in the world. Fran kicks ass though.
  19. Adam mcduck: Balthier isn't necessarily my favourite character (although he is cool), Cloud is just my least favourite character from VII.
  20. Cloud is overrated and has a sword that's 20x too large. Balthier is a pirate with a gun. He's also the leading man in a game where he's not necessarily supposed to be the real leading man. Guess who wins? Zero Exillerius 21:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  21. Falbub: Voting for the sexy brit here. I was never a big fan of emo main characters, so yeah.
  22. Pablo618: I'm going for the leading man, who else?
  23. Alcaeus: Balthier isn't pretty, he's sexy. Cloud isn't pretty, he's a pussy.

Anonymous votes

  1. Balthier doesn't just have brains, he's got good looks and clothes to go with them.
  2. Balthier could probably moon-walk better than Cloud.

Votes for Cloud

  1. JARIITX:All I can say is speak softly and carry a big sword, so I'm going with Cloud.
  2. I dunno..flamboyant and me never mix well.--N/A
  3. BSW Cloud for sure.. cloud has got the moves, the hair, the style, The Sword, the sheer power, The Personallity... CLOUD HAS IT!!!!
  4. Varehemsko:Hopefully this won't just turn into a 'who's the better character' poll. That is if people read the goddamn question! Anyway enough ranting. Balthier, wearing a dress? I know he likes his clean shirts and all, but Cloud just seems to edge it. He looks about as at home in a dress as anyone would in his place. But with one difference: a fat lech like Don Corneo actually BELIEVES Cloud is a woman.
  5. Otherarrow: Cloud is better than Ffamran because Cloud is actully the main charater. And he thinks he's Zack, who is so much better and prettier than that Han Solo clone.
  6. Bob the geomancer i've only played revenant wings wings balthier, and he sucks
  7. Xadren: Cloud is the best character I've ever seen and when I say "Cloud" I mean the FF7's Cloud. He was the first character to have a similar success, he's got a big sword, he's silent but at the same time a great warrior. A simple man who has a great will. Go Cloud!
  8. james.himbo: True to form, I'm voting for the Final Fantasy VII character. But if there was ever a battle that made me almost pick the non-VII character, it was this one.
  9. (I am going to get SO much flack for this) Buster Sword, sorry, but i'm forced to vote for it. It's prettier than either of the charaters, therefore, based on looks, buster sword wins. RedMage
  10. AuronKaizer: Yeah, I vote for BlueHighWind (in this case illustrated by a numbskull like Cloud) as the most overrated bastard of these two.
  11. CanineStarSirius: I like Cloud a lot... His crossdressing part was hilarious. And I love the buster sword. And Omnislash Limit Break. Love it.Anti-gravity hair gel for the win. And Cloud (Balthier fans, don't kill me), in my humble opinion, is hotter. :3
  12. Superaeon: Is cloud seriusly losing to blathier?!?!? and any one who says gun give advantage, watch advent children, particuarly the scene where cloud faces off with yazoo and loz at the same time. Sword beats the gun!!
  13. MYVizm: I'm voting for Cloud. Why explain? He's awesome ^^
  14. This contest is boring as fuck.Is there any fights that make us think?Seifer Gunblade 23:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
  15. Drake:Yawn.
  16. PhoenixDew: Hard to pick, cause they are both purty, but I think Cloud, especially AC Cloud one ups Balthier on the prettiness scale. I guess I like the whole emo thing.

Anonymous votes

  1. ??????: Balthier has that "James Bond" thing going for him, very charming. "I'm the leading man, who else?" He also looks good in formal dress. When I see Cloud, though, I just want to hug him. His spiky hair, that incidently earns him his nickname, looks very cute on him. He makes a uniform work and is femenine-looking enough to look like a girl in a dress. I don't think Balthier would dare to dress as a lady and he would probably not look much like a girl in it. Based on looks alone, as the question indicated, Cloud Strife gets my vote.

Peanut Gallery

This is gonna be fun to watch. =D TheSwordofDoubt 03:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Ditto. Oath to Order 03:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hooray sexy man fight! ^_^ I didn't think this one would ever happen, and I was contemplating doing it myself. Hooray once more! --Mymindislost 05:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hope people decide to read the question. Should make things a little more even for Balthier. Bless him he's just not quite feminine-pretty. Varehemsko 06:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Anyone that thinks that they can resist Balthier, has not met the man. He could talk you into doing anything, to anyone. That is the power of Balthier. --BlueHighwind 12:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Balthier is man-pretty, that's the masculine kind of pretty that it's ok for a man to be. But Cloud is pretty-pretty, not man pretty, and that's pretty bad. Drake Clawfang 17:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

THE CONTEST IS BASED ON WHO IS THE PRETTIEST, NOT WHO IS THE LEAST PATHETIC. -- Un- own

Damn I should buy ff12... -FakeFreedom
How are guns more original then giant swords? There is only one other character in fiction that I know of that uses a sword the size of the buster sword, and he came after Cloud. I could go on forever with people (real-life or otherwise) that use guns. Oath to Order 17:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, you guys really have to stop with the gay bashing. I have had to remove two votes so far due to their offensive nature. I don't give a shit what problems you may have with gay people, nor do I care what your pastor told you about what God thinks (he's wrong by the way). Here's a fun fact for you all: those who fear homosexuals, are homosexual. They fear the gayness on the inside. --BlueHighwind 19:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I apologize on behalf of Henryacores for pointing out your sexual preference. Won't happen again. Or...? --Auron Kaizer 19:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
And to think the one who did this censorship was the one who started the gay bashing... [^_^]/ 19:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, when he was alive, CSM was a pretty mean guy with hate in his heart. --Auron Kaizer 19:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The hypocracy of democracy, indeed. I've changed my ways, now I stand on the other side of the issue. Then again, I only said those things to piss you guys off. I was a bad boy back in 2007, wasn't I? --BlueHighwind 19:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
I certainly don't see any gay bashing on Henry's remark tho. He did mention that "Cloud is the only gay ass I hate in the world." Meaning he's okay with other gay asses. Is their opinion, let it fly. [^_^]/ 19:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
But then again, his only reason given for hating Cloud is because he is a "gay ass". He should not have even mentioned it if he had anything better to say. Plus I just hate gay bashing because it is cheap, lazy thinking. I don't want us to become yet another internet fan site where you can't go five minutes with somebody being called a "fag". This is a wiki, not XBox Live. --BlueHighwind 19:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
When people call something gay, I just tell them it take one to know one. -- ChiefKakashi 20:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, make a stupid contest, get a stupid answer. --Auron Kaizer 19:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
That's logic I can live with. We have a logical compromise. It also explains that weird BH Fanboy comparing me to Cloud. Some people are just "out there". --BlueHighwind 19:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Most of these votes are for the wrong reason... they didn't read the question. Gay bashing is inevitable with a question like that though. -FakeFreedom
I would like to remind you, FakeFreedom, that not everyone on this wiki is a straight male, so I fail to see how gay bashing would be "inevitable." Besides, it's not like anyone's forcing anyone else to vote in the DNC. If someone doesn't have an opinion on the matter or doesn't want to vote, they don't have to. --Mymindislost 23:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like this had already become a one-sided fight in favor of Balthier. I'm actually shocked that Cloud's popularity has decreased over the years. Oh well, there's always hope that the next fight is much closer and more exciting. JARIITX 01:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Week 59: Kuja v. Kefka

AmanoKuja
Winner!!
Kefka
FF6 Kefkaart

45 to 26½
FF6 Kefkaart
K-Villains... arch villains you might say, but in any case... there they are.

Votes for Kuja

  1. He's prettier and is VERY brave to wear that thong/cod-piece. And he's a better villian. :P -Alcaeus
  2. SmegHead: I would usually vote for Kefka, but I quite like Kuja as a villain. He has great development as the game progresses, and his reasons for destroying the world are a tad more dramatic than Kefkas: if I can't live, why should anything else?.
  3. Falbub: Kuja is what originally got me hooked on Final Fantasy. I saw some cutscenes of him on youtube and thought "This is freaking awesome!" So I started playing FF and loved it. Plus, you guys are allowed to vote for the hotter girl, so I'm allowed to vote for the hotter guy. What can I say? I like bishies.
  4. Resa91: I can't decide! I love both of these guys. I love both of Final Fantasy VI and IX. This is so hard, but my vote goes for Kuja (because I think he is about to lose. Kefka is so popular villain). Uwee hee hee! :D
  5. Otherarrow: Eh, I enjoyed Kuja and his backstory a bit more.
  6. Rabid Biscuit: Kuja. All the way. He's just the best. I say he's the best villain of the entire Final Fantasy series. He had a great backstory, a perfect personality, and, while his man-thong is rather disturbing, he generally looked pretty cool too. Now, don't get me wrong, Kefka's freakin' awesome. But Kuja is freakin' awesomer. BTW, did I mention that IX is my favorite FF?
  7. Adam Mcduck: Kefka wasn't the worst villain, he just annoyed me. He killed loads of people for no reason whatsoever, I don't like that type of character. I prefer villains who kill to achieve something or actually have a motive behind it (as insane as it might be). Plus, i just think Kuja is a cooler character.
  8. Pablo618: Kuja is awesome and powerful
  9. AnonyMan: Kuja, very underrated and easily the greatest FF villain. Good story and development, with awesome musical pieces to boot. Yes, his appearance and attire is so terrible he almost makes Sephiroth look cool but it works for a vain and slightly narcissistic guy like him. Trance made him look cooler at least, better than Kef's weird, ugly forms. Now I don't hate Kefka but, he did all that crap for basically no reason, Kuja at least had some motives. And at the end of the day, Kefka fanboys are just as annoying as Suckaroth's.
  10. Pikmin Master: Kuja was harder to beat.
  11. Nirvana: I've played all through IX and not VI so what what I've seen of Kefka, I prefer Kuja.
  12. User:booff7:I don't know what it was I liked about Kuja, no idea whatsoever, but for some reason he is actually one of my favorite villains of the series. Kefka didn't really have a reason to be evil either, he's still cool, it just made him a little less beleivable because he was evil for no reason presented in the game. The other thing about Kuja is that he is the only villain in the series who didn't get his own hands dirty killing all the people he wanted to but manipulated the people of Gaia to kill themselves off for him just so he could strike out at the perfect opportunity. Overall, I found Kuja to be more original than Kefka, not to say I didn't like Kefka but I liked Kuja more.
  13. PhoenixDew: I think Kuja was awesome, and I never really cared for Kefka, cause he was all clowney and stuff. I also liked that Kuja was real and had a change of heart at the last minute. The only downside is he isn't quite the main villain, since Necron gets the last battle... But Kuja proved his villain-ness when he summoned Bahamut to wreak havoc upon Queen Brahne's Fleet and then Alexandria.
  14. Kyoku Sefirosu:I love Kefka, but his time is passing, and he is starting to get overrated, Kuja in this case is an underdog, but at the same time I really find him an awesome villain and a powerful one at that, and it seems alot of the Pro-Kefka fans who are voting for him are picking on Kuja based on his appearnce which is a load of bull. I hope you guys realize Kefka is a transvestite too!!! Lol, anyways, as much as I love Kefka, I have to go with Kuja here, he doesn't get the credit he deserves
  15. Drake:Yay, yet another one-sided fight here at the DNC! It's clear that Kefka is going to win, but at least this match hasn't been done before anywhere, so I'm happy. You know why I'm voying for Kuja, he's from what just might be the best game in the entire series while Kefka is a clown and from the second worst (fifth if you count spin-offs).
  16. Varehemsko:Is there anything more arrogant than trying to destroy everything because it will exist without you when you die? Well if there is, then it wouldn't be Kuja doing it. I mean, at least arrogance is a better reason for destruction than just for the hell of it. Besides, clowns are just silly. I prefer Dark Messenger to Dancing Mad too, especially since Kuja has other themes besides.
  17. Xadren: Even if I like Kefka, I think Kuja has a better prot on his shoulder. He's poetic and absolutely heartless, but he also redeems himself at the end of the story. So, although I'm sure Kefka will win...GO KUJA!
  18. Ctaylor503: How many Kefka voters haven't played IX, I wonder? Doesn't Kuja just sound more evil? He was created for the purpose of death and destruction, and arguably excelled at them.
  19. Kurenai Samurai: Kuja is poetic, sinister, flamboyant, destructive, and amazing. What does Kefka have..? An annoying laugh. Yes, Kuja is fantastic. After playing FFIX, Kuja became my favorite video game villain. -nod-
  20. Darkling692: Kefka is a great villain, but Kuja is a little bit better. Both destroy a world, both have cool transformations, but Kuja is more related to the main character giving him a little more depth.
  21. Sorceress Heartilly: Out of these two FF's I've only played IX but I've studied Kefka and while he is an interesting charcater with very stylish clothes kuja is more likeable to me; it takes more balls to wear tat man-thong and ladies thigh boots, besides effeminate men are much more cooler to me. Kuja is a mage with total mage abilities, Kefka is just a coward and runs away a lot.
  22. Alexander Namingway: FLARE STAR! ULTIMA! This andrygonous megalomaniac holds a lot of sentimental value as the first final fantasy villian I ever thwarted
  23. Staff's Bizzaro: This is simply to commend Kuja for being brave enough to walk around dressed like that.

Anonymous votes

  1. EmuMaster: This was actually a tough choice for me. I love Kefka. He pwns. On the other hand, I think Kuja develops more as a character, honestly. He also has the benefit of being in my favourite Final Fantasy to date and, and I KNOW I'll get flamed for this, he has the better theme music, in my opinion. Dancing Mad is Nobuo's greatest work, but it's only barely fitting for Kefka, while Dark Messenger isn't really as good, it's just better for a fighting scene. Kuja's plan is ultimately better as well. Kefka wanted to destroy the world, but to what end, really? Kuja wanted to destroy it out of fear of Zidane. I'm starting to ramble, so in short, Kuja is a BAMF who is secure enough in his masculinity to wear whatever feels comfortable, and to him that's apparently a metal thong. Power to you, man.
  2. hellifrit: KUJA ROCKS !!!! he is good loking ans id EVIL!!!! kefka is just strange
  3. Kuja: He's the angel of death.
  4. Rinoa : Kuja kicked ass he was so powerful sephiroth tried to destroy the planet, kuja did it, throughout the game you never once beat Kuja and he also saves you in the end, trance Kuja>a psychotic clown kefka was cool but kuja all the way :)
  5. Hiltigarrs: Kuja blates. Kefka was some 2d, hollow pychotic villian that I never could take seriously. Well, except for when he kills an entire castle with poison. Evil. Kuja on the other hand - an evil menace as well as genius. He blackmails you to do his own dirty work? AND gets away with it? He gets a queen to destroy most important cities in the world and then destroys an entire planet by himself? Has his own pet dragon?? B A M F!!
  6. Rainacide: I have to go with Kuja. He is underrated but really he's actually a good villain. He had bitches do his dirty work for him & even had the main cast of FFIX do his dirty work for him. He was so filty he dressed like a girl & made alot of the players of FFIX thought he was a girl. Not only that...he destroyed Terra by himself, has his own pet dragon. Looks like a Super Saiyan 4 in his Trance form...and single-handedly manhandles your party about 3 times.
  7. Yumiko: It's so hard to choose! They are both super awesome but I choose Kuja. Kefka went insane and destroyed everything and became a god but he didn't have much reason for it. (Not that he needs a reason to destroy a world.) Kuja destroyed because he resented that he was mortal and would someday die so he chose to kill everything so it would die with him. So Kuja had a reason. But basiclly this is a vote for the losing side. I think that both Kefka and Kuja are both equaly powerfull and yes, it is creepy that Kuja wears such um... "girly?" clothes.
  8. Johnny - Well Kuja is a Goddess-like God, nothing else needed ;]
  9. FFIXFAN - I vote for Kuja, a fan of FFIX & a fan of someone that can wear some female clothes & wipe out your whole entire party in an instant ;]
  10. Nova Dragon - Kuja owns, double crosses people, uses a bit of mentality to take over the world, even tho Kefka has Godlike powers, Kuja destroyed an entire planet with one spell. Now that is ownage.

Votes for Kefka

  1. Rydiaofmist: I'm definitely going to have to vote for Kefka. He's such an great evil villain and way more badass than Kuja.
  2. Drake Clawfang: Haven't touched IX in a while, but I vote for Kefka. I'm sure Kuja is a good villain too, but while they both look weird, Kefka isn't androgynous. Kefka creeps me out, Kuja creeps me out.
  3. I'll vote for the one without the gender problems.Oath to Order 06:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
  4. SCM: Kefka's biggest crime was destroying the world. Kuja's biggest crime was being a crossdresser.
  5. Crazyswordsman: I don't hate Kuja. I just like Kefka better. He IS Kefka after all.
  6. Gaming-King:I'am just going to vote for Kefka.
  7. Hexed: The evil laugh, and that plus half the time he's pulling the finger on ya.
  8. MK Clown>drag queen
  9. BlueHighwind: Kuja, despite the best of intentions was just a wanna-be villain. This guy is actually entertaining and fun to be around. He goes with his heart, instead of just spouting out rip-off Shakespearean dialogue. And I love all versions of the Joker.
  10. Roman King: Kuja would get destroyed.
  11. Triforcel: I have yet to play IX, but Kefka is just rggh! You wanna throttle that guy all the time.
  12. ChiefKakashi: Because I know he's a man.
  13. Hiddensilver: While Kuja proved that you don't have to be straight to amass monumental power and nearly destroy the world, he actually had motive. Kefka not only destroyed the world, he destroyed the world because it was his inclination. That just reeks of pure evil.
  14. Henryacores: Kuja wears THONGS! Kefka is a clown. Clowns are better villans than thong users overall, and Kefka doesn't escape the rule.
  15. Zario: DANCING MAD!!!!!!!!!!!
  16. Blykus: I think both of them are great villains, but I like Kefka just that much more. Besides, Kuja didn't accomplish half of what Mister Palazzo did.
  17. Arausio: HE IS PURE EVIL POISONING A NATION'S WATER SUPPLY EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!
  18. Superaeon: Ima go with the guy who pretty much ended the world, plus hes a clown. GODDAMN CLOWNS ARE CREEPY!!!!!
  19. Sjoerd777:Had a hard time on this one.Kuja is just plain cool, however Kefka is better as a villian.He reformed the world, became a god, got his own cult, and is still 53 cards short of a deck.Plus:Dancing Mad. Kefka wins.
  20. JARIITX:Gotta go with Kefka. When it comes to antagonists, I prefer someone who looks like a member of ICP rather than a gender-confused genome.
  21. Aramis: Nothing can beat the sound of hundreds of voices screaming in Unisone. Enough said.
  22. Dancing Mad. Need I say more? Yes, probably, so I will. He is also the only villian in Final Fantasy to complete his ultimate goal. (enlighten me if I am wrong here)RedMage
  23. VitoRyu: I would list all the reasons Kefka was better than ANY FF villain, but sadly I'd never stop writing.
  24. dudutsai: Kuja had some good lines, but Kefka had so many more. As a villain, Kefka was a lot more straightforward and was easier to understand for my 5th grade self.
  25. Super Sephiroth: My 3rd favourite villain
  26. Chocolancer: Even though IX is my favorite game, I always thought Kuja was a Sephiroth wannabe (with all that talk of destroying the world and getting all the power). But Kefka was an original villain! He's evil, achieved godliness, is a wacko, and has a manic laugh sound effect of his own!
  27. tomtheroadkill: I don't vote for the cross-dresser whose sex we don't even know for certain (presumably male?)! I vote for Kefka. He's a nutcase!
  28. BlitzSage: Kuja's good, but he can't beat the Psycho Clown.
  29. Ivalicia: Kuja is a good villain, but he's not competition for Kefka.
  30. Mizuno Mahou: Kefka is a humorous villain and a better villain overall. Kuja just felt like he was one of those cookie cutter villains who wanted to control the world just because he felt like it. Much as I liked IX, I felt that Kuja was a somewhat boring villain. I even liked Garland better from that game.
  31. Skoot85:Kefka is pure evil. He has pushed the lines of the status of a villian. Kuja just does not come off as evil as Kefka. He seems too human while kefka is Pure EVIL!
  32. FakeFreedom: One sided fight here... Kefka is the best example of a heartless villain. Kuja is nothing but a kid mad at the world because they didn't accept his sexual orientation. (Wasn't he also just like a clone of Zidane too? They both look pretty homosexual to me.)
  33. Thanos6 05:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC): Anyone who votes for Kuja is a chapter from a self-help booklet.
  34. Fyrmer: I liked Kuja, but Kefka will always be the greatest FF villain ever in my book. He's psychotic, nihilistic, he thinks nothing of commiting acts of genocide, yet he still gets annoyed about a little sand on his boots. Hilarious.
  35. Otens: Why even bother with this fight? We know who will win.
  36. Dark Paladin: Most villains in the Final Fantasy series tried to destroy the world or achieve godlike status. Kefka did both and he was just a clown.
  37. MCMLXXXIV: I won't tell you what I really think about Kuja, but Kefka gets my vote.
  38. SiK0: I definitely have to pick Kefka. Such a creepy evil clown man.

Anonymous votes

  1. I hate hate hate hate Hate Hate Hate HATEHATEHATEHATEHATEHATE!!!!!! Kuja!
  2. Troy: Probably my two favorite FF games. FFVI has a special place in my heart and Kefka, in my opinion is the best villain in the series.
  3. Kefka is one of the best villains in the series. Not many villains can claim they did what he did. Not only did he thwart the heroes once or twice, he was a REGULAR human who literally became a god, absorbing the power of the three warring gods. I mean seriously, if a villain wants to become a god he's usually thwarted right before, but not in this case. AND he wrecked the entire world. As a villain, Kefka is incredible.
  4. Kefka leaves a more lasting impression.
  5. I agree that Kuja is an underrated villian,and FFIX is underrated as well. But Kefka is one of, if not the greatest villians in history. His dialogue is amazing and his story(his rise to power) is very well told. He is the most unique FF villian in the series and one of the main reasons FFVI is considered one of the best in the series. Also, storywise, Kefka was if I'm not mistaken the only villian to achieve his goal of world domination, and he became god-like. Kefka gets my vote.
  6. I don't dislike Kuja, but I'd have to vote for Kefka.
  7. Let's face it: Kefka is simply the great-granddaddy of the evil laugh.
  8. Wow this is the first time im voting for someone on this side. Anyway Kuja in his regular form...really isnt that cool to me. Trance Kuja could have competed though...But Kefka has humor, not to mention magitek implants, which in my opinion is way cooler. Oh yea, Kefka is the ORIGINAL angel of death, he became a god. Kuja just went into a trance, not to say taht isnt cool but...( I also would like to point out, Kuja's votes are mostly fan girls, like the last battle with Tifa with Fanboys.)
  9. WHO THE HECK IS KUJA!!!???(not to sound stupid)but kefka is like a "fallen angle" dude right?
  10. Steel Sentry: Always bet on Kefka. Always. He is just that awesome.
  11. The best villan ever! Better than all the other game, movie, etc villans combined. KEFKA RULES!
  12. Im not a big fans of ether of these 2 but kefka is definatly better.
  13. Random Anonymous Person: I loved IX, but Kuja didn't do that much for me. Kefka, on the other hand, made his game.
  14. As much as I love Kuja, Kefka is the better villian. He achieved his evil goal longer than the other bad guys in the series. However, if it was a one on one match, Kuja may very well give Kefka a run for his money.

Peanut Gallery

Aww. I like Amano's picture of Kuja better than that Dissidia picture. And it didn't take long for the comments about Kuja's sexuality to start... --Alcaeus

I wasn't questioning its sexuality. I was questioning its gender. Or lack there of. Oath to Order 06:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it's just the way I'm reading it. Kuja is a guy. --Alcaeus
Yes, yes he is. Kuja is a guy. A very pretty guy. Drake Clawfang
Yes, poor guy. I think this might be a one-sided fight...but it's probably to early to tell. That Draw vs Materia turned out too be a pretty good fight even though Draw is an abomination. --Alcaeus

EmuMaster- I know I've voted for the losing side here, but I voted for the guy who deserves it more. Oh, and to those of you questioning his sexuality, note: Kuja's the manliest man in Final Fantasy, save for Auron himself. And you just don't beat Auron.

TA, the next fight is Balther vs. Cloud. It wasn't my decision, it's the ladies' light. --Crazyswordsman 07:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

CSM, you mean this isn't a democracy? (Gasp!) Besides, this fight is going to be ridiculously lopsided. It kind of throws out any rationale behind it. (Not that we ever voted anyway and not

that we are bound by opinions anyway.) TacticAngel 07:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I want to be fair to MMIL. --Crazyswordsman 07:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
You needn't explain it to me. I don't actually have any serious intention of going purely off of user votes. --TacticAngel 07:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I actually think it'll be quite interesting. All the users choosing Balthier and the anons choosing their beloved Cloud... --Crazyswordsman 08:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, I know I'm voting for the Leading Man. Who else? SCM 09:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
AnonyMan: If it's Balthier/Cloud next week, I'm going with Balth as well.Although I'm not a real fan of Balthier, I get a feeling that the scales won't ridiculously tip in Cloud's favor in that match.
Actually, I think the fight would lop-sided the other way. But I think it would only be fair to have it if it's in response to the last fight. -- ChiefKakashi 21:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Props on whoever suggested this fight. It's a good one. I was actually thinking about this about a week ago. Rabid Biscuit 14:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I would also like to add that Kefka is one of the easiest bosses in FF history. Only Yu Yevon is easier (And that's because you can't die). Even Ultimecia is able to attack me more than once. And I was the one who suggested this. --Alcaeus

It's true, Kefka as a boss, sucked. Kaiser Dragon, now *there's* a boss! Drake Clawfang
No the Emperor from FFII is way easier. Two swings with the Blood Sword (an Item that Final Boss made the very dumb descion to keep right outside his door), and he's gone for good. --BlueHighwind 20:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Drake, did you forget Heartless Angel? Or were you too overleveled when you went through the final dungeon? :P It is true the Kefka's first 3 incarnations (those tiers of weird non-related-to-Kefka-in-any-way-at-all entities) were complete pushovers. 8bit BlackMage 22:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
fastest way to kill Kefka: Spam Ultima. Oath to Order 22:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I would like to mention that all of the arguments talking about how Kefka pretty much blew up the world, therefore, he is better, are basically moot. Kuja pretty much did the same thing. I mean, he was about to destroy the friggin' source of all life. Not to mention that he blew up an entire planet (Terra). So I'd say they're pretty well tied there, don'tcha think? --Rabid Biscuit 21:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd say there's some truth in your words Biscuit. He accessed an weird area which house(and was prepared to destroy) the source of all existence, people need to give him more props. Only thing Kefka has over him is the fact for how powerful he got, he was about to kick the bucket soon.AnonyMan 01:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems that everyone on this site thinks that pretty boys with long hair are all sexless or actually women. What's up with that. I had very long hair last year, my skin is very fair, and I've been classified as a pretty boy before. Granted, I don't walk around wearing that, but come on, people using this comment "Kuja looks like a chick. At least Kefka isn't androgonus!" as their justification for a vote has to really go take some classes and get a nice boost to intelligence, or just actually give your vote some thought! I don't care if you like Kefka better than Kuja, but at least have a decent reason why! -- Drake

Tell me about it. He's actually a good character, and definitely not androgynous. I don't think preference should ever be based entirely upon masculinity, because honestly, neither one is exactly a super manly-man. --RB

Drake1, you are so wrong. It takes way more than long hair to be classafied as androgonus. Take Sephiroth. He has long hair, but he's a manly man. Kuja wears a "man" bikini (no room for boobs), and has a girly face. Those are just a few things that make him effeminate. -- ChiefKakashi 02:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not trying to go off base here, but I don't think Sephiroth is a shining example of a manly-look. Wearing a coat with a Katana doesn't make you more masculine, he still has a girly babyface. Which only gets worse as time passes new technology to "enhance" his appearance.––AnonyMan 02:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but you can immediately tell he's a man. -- ChiefKakashi 02:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe so, but if you put him(or Any of FF's andorgynous "pretty" boys for that matter) in Kuja's attire you'll get as many scratching their heads over it as they were with Kuja himself. -- AnonyMan 02:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Sephiroth is, while obviously male, not a particularly good example of Final Fantasy's brimming masculinity. Now someone like Auron...sure, he's not a villain, but...he's a man's man. --RB
I'd have to disagree with AnonyMan, or anyone else who thinks Sephiroth isn't a "manly-man". Sure his face won't say much about it, but I mean just look at him when he is incased in mako, or any of the time he is without his coat. I'd say thats enough proof there. -- Kyoku Sefirosu (UTC)

I just want to make this conversation as awkward as possible. ;) The bigger the guy's penis, the more masculine he is. --Alcaeus

Well, you sure made it awkward. SCM
What the fuck are you talking about? Barret is hung like an elf! (I can make things awkward too, don't try me) --BlueHighwind 13:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

@Alcaeus: You remind me of one of my friends. Also, where did Barret come from BH? RedMage

Well barret is about the manliest character in FF. and since when did he have a little dick? come on hes black.--

FakeFreedom Well, this turned out to be a pretty boring fight. -- ChiefKakashi 18:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC) Yeah, no flame wars. No threats. No excessive yelling. Oath to Order 18:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC) Balthier probably got a big penis because hes the leading man and leading mens need big penis to lead and ladies follow him because he got a big penis.who they gonna have sex with?Vann?Basch?Hell no!Moogle king 20:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh...God...I hope you don't get a test for that comment...Now things are awkward... -- ChiefKakashi 20:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I win,but i don't feel good.....Moogle king 20:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Everyone who supported this fight voted for Kefka...Meh, I didn't think this fight would be THIS one-sided. Guess I was wrong. Anyway, according to some pictures I've seen on the internet, EVERY FF guy has a big dick. Of course, Tidus and Vaan have vaginas. Minwu has the biggest dick since he's Arabian. ;) --Alcaeus

Vaan isn't on the same level as Tidus. Unlike Tidus's, he's cool I don't get why so many people hate on Vaan? He's the only other good protagonist in the series.AnonyMan 05:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Can it be Balthier vs. Cloud tiem nao? Rabid Biscuit 21:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

That fight is going to be even more one-sided than this fight. Then again, according to my Playstation Magazine Cloud received the most votes for greatest character, with Tifa and Sephiroth close behind. Aeris, Zack and Vincent were also apparently close calls. And this was a poll for the greatest character in the ENTIRE series, not just FF7. --Alcaeus
In retrospect I was mistaken. Against any other FFXII character, Baltheir would deasily dominate, that's definitely not going to be the case here. Cloud's sadly going to murder him. Who knows by some twist of fate Cloud won't amass a crapload of votes.AnonyMan 21:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Bah. Cloud will probably get almost all the anon votes, but Balthier will probably get most of the user votes. --ChiefKakashi 22:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I dunno, I think Balthier has a pretty good chance. I mean, sure, the newbish anons will be all Cloud-mongering, but...anyone with a brain can see that Balthier is a better character. --Rabid Biscuit 01:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Yumiko: Why is everyone against Cloud... T_T. It seems that the newer generation of games (and characters) get the votes because the graphics are better. Well I think that the story for vii is better than xii. ^^

Actually, I like Cloud. I really don't get why people hate him so much. I just think Balthier's better. -- ChiefKakashi 01:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yay for homophobic remarks. FakeFreedom even had the balls to call Kuja and Zidane homosexuals. The cross-dresser and gender-confused comments are also homophobic. Comment if you think I'm being too sensitive. --Alcaeus

A little. Plenty of strait guys cross-dress too. And how are gender-confused comments homophobic? -- ChiefKakashi 01:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
[1] Still, cross-dressing is generally associated with the gay community. --Alcaeus
I don't. -- ChiefKakashi 02:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
hey that's my opinion. Zidane, great character he is, just doesn't come off as being very manly to me. same applies for vaan. I thought Zidane was a girl for a moment when I started playing ffix.-FakeFreedom

Week 58: Rydia v. Tifa

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Winner!!
Tifa
Tifa Hot-

43½ v. 32½
Tifa Hot-
Pure, unadulterated fan service.

Votes for Rydia

  1. SmegHead: I refuse to comment on who is hotter out of the two, since the debate as I see it is who would win in a straight-up battle. Suffice it to say, I vote Rydia, since all her magic and summoning is learned natually and Tifa has to rely on little marbles for her power.
  2. Aramis: FFVII isn't even THAT great... besides, Rydia is hot too. And she didn't even need oversized boobs to prove that...
  3. Roman King: I got to go with Rydia on this one.
  4. Diablocon: Rydia! Unlike some people, I realise that a woman's chest size isn't the only thing that can make them sexy. Also, she has Mist Dragon.
  5. Falbub: Voting for a fellow summoner here. Tifa's cool, but Rydia's cooler.
  6. Arausio: Rydia isn't pointless fan service thats why(come on why be attracted to either of them they are just streams of code)
  7. dudutsai: I don't really like Rydia as much as SOME people do, but I never liked Tifa at all. Also, HIMBO's vote makes me sad.
  8. Bahamut = Pwnage Order
  9. Pikmin Master: I'm going for the green one. Knowing the contestants and how many people are fans of said contestants, there's no way the Mercy Rule will be applied. Plus, Tifa was annoyance after she entered Cloud's mind. Rydia was an interesting character to me, having a hate for fire as a child. If I were to judge by appearance, I'd just leave...
  10. Drake Clawfang:Just for the record, I've had a Rydia vs. Tifa poll for a couple weeks now on my user page, and Rydia is winning so far. Anyway, no offense to Tifa, she's cute, but Rydia is Rydia, and no FF character is hotter than Rydia.
  11. Bartz235: As DrakeClawfang said Rydia is Rydia. She's just all around awesome. Tifa sucks in battle without her "little marbles" and by using those "little marbles" she loses HP. Rydia would've probably been the "sex symbol" of FF but a lot more people played FFVII before IV and most probably haven't even played IV(Most as in the world not wiki users). I mean Tifa isn't bad at all, and this was a really REALLY hard decision but I got go with Rydia. Also as dudutsai said Himbo's vote dissapoints me. That's really pathetic.
  12. Zario: She is more cooler, and has Summoning and Black Mage abilities. She is also hotter too.
  13. Blykus: This was definitely a hard decision to make, but my vote goes for the old school.
  14. The Hexed: It's because of the image on Clawfang's userpage...
  15. Crazyswordsman: What did you expect? Me to vote for Tifa? Sorry, but I have taste in women. And Tifa can't do anything naturally. For everyone who brought up summoning and magic from Tifa, she can't use it naturally. She has to be artificially enhanced with magic through materia, unlike Rydia, who uses it naturally.
  16. PhoenixDew: This was a tough decision, but I have to vote for Rydia for her creative look and fashion. How many other heroines wear green? None! But white is all the rage. Plus I tend to side with Summoners/mages. Character-wise, it is hard for Rydia to compete with Tifa just because FF VII had more story, i.e. more dialogue. But what there was for Rydia was classic, and the moment she returns is suspenseful and dynamic. Gotta love Rydia!
  17. AnonyMan: Rydia, not as boring or overestimated. And what's with people criticizing Rydia's abilities? Other than sparingly used Limit breaks everyone can be the same, Tifa's not even that good of a bralwer. Let Zell be in a movie, actually scratch that...he'd get the AC Reno treament, even though he's better(and Reno was cooler in AC)
  18. Faethin: Ten minute break. I like Tifa. I love Rydia.
  19. LDBAMC: I like Final Fantasy IV. A lot. I like Rydia. A lot. Perhaps even more so. While it's true that she can't survive anything more than a goblin sneezing at her, she's pretty much totally kickass in everything else. Seriously, a black mage/summoner with green hair? That's a winner at first sight for me.
  20. bob this is possibly the hardst competitions ever but i like rydia better because she has a better plot in my opinion
  21. Otherarrow: Tough vote. Both are good characters, but Rydia is a summoner/black mage which is better than any monk.
  22. 8bit_BlackMage: After mulling it over, I've decided to go with Rydia. Very very very close call for me, but in the end I had to choose the summoner over the monk.
  23. Kaiser Dragon: Hmm, a girl who is innocent and has the natural power to summon a legion of hell beasts and other such creatures under her complete control, or the idiotic cheap harlot with a BILLION STDs and implants whom I hate with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns? No contest for me. Rydia.
  24. MK WTF DRAKE!?!?! RYDIA IS A FULL GROWN WOMAN!!! Times passes faster in the land of summons so even though she was only gone for a while, she was able to grow up normal. Kinda like with DBZ and that time compression room thing. Summoner/Black mage > Monk. Tifa is the WORST MONK in FF.
  25. Phoenix Rising: Rydia is the the best summoner to ever appear in any FF game, while Tifa is a mediocre fighter, at best. Rydia winds this, hands down.

Anonymous votes

  1. LuvLuv G - Hmmmm....Black Summoner, or Monk with Overdrives......I'd say Black Summoner hands down. I'm also partial to magic users, and not some big-titted freak who can't even beat a dundering musclehead.
  2. Green Ninja - G's right. She is like what is unofficially called a "Black Summoner" and would win. She has the actual trust of the summons she's obtained. Tifa just picked up the Materia after fighting bosses or found it laying around. That's my bit, take it or leave it.
  3. EmuMaster: Well, my penis says Rydia, my usefullness meter says Rydia, my character-development center says Rydia and my pure, unadulterated BAMF compass says... Rydia. She has some of the best character development in a Final Fantasy game to date, especially as far as non-central hero roles go. She can nuke everything in a five mile radius or pick them off with weaker but no less useful spells to conserve mp. She uses WHIPS, for god's sake, and doesn't look like a whore while using them or anything, which seems to be a common theme in female whip-users.
  4. Rydia is as SEXY AS HELL, as hot a Tifa is I just love Rydia. If she was real I would sleep with her in a heartbeat... now i'm starting to sound like Drake clawfang arent I? well good, I love you Rydia.
  5. Random Anonymous Person: Rydia is marginally cooler than Tifa. Also, I do prefer IV to VII.
  6. Hyo-Rydia she's just amazingly better, though I admit Tifa is BIG competition. This is a good match but Rydia better win!!
  7. mdarkcecil - No contest, Rydia has magic and summons, Tifa's just got her fists. Plus, I think FF7 is over-rated.
  8. My vote goes to the old school. I'm going to leave abilities and things OUT of this because really you could be pitting Rydia against "recruitable peon from Final Fantasy Tactics" and you'd run up against the same wall of "well, they can learn anything due to the character creation/customization system." Rydia has more "bite" as a character and could probably talk Tifa down before the fight even started. This girl doesn't take anybody's shit and wouldn't sit idly by if, say, Cecil started acting strange.
  9. Wow this is close. Gotta give my love to Rydia! Tifa isnt nearly as cool and badass as people say. Everything she did revolved around Cloud, Cloud, Cloud.
  10. Rydia's better than Tifa and Summoners are better than Monks plus Tifa isn't one of my favorite characters in the series unlike Rydia my 5th favorite FF character.
  11. This was a tough one for me...But I'll have to go with Rydia. I use her far more then I used Tifa in Final Fantasy VII. Looks has nothing to do with this battle I agree, but I can't help but find Rydia more attractive.
  12. Definitely Rydia. She doesn't need Cecil or any other guy (*cough* Cloud *cough*) to kick some serious ass.
  13. I'd have to go with Rydia. Tifa's overrated and honestly, most people like her just because she has big jugs and a short skirt. Don't lie, you people know who you are. Rydia was awesome even in the days when she was just a portrait; now she's even better. Besides, Rydia set the stage not only for summoners, but for green hair as well. What did Tifa do, honestly?
  14. Summoner beats monk easily!
  15. Goes down to my which FF I like better so Rydia!'

Votes for Tifa

  1. Huh? Probably is the Rose window. I always liked rose window designs.--N/A
  2. Duh...Who else?! Tifa is Tifa. Not only she can do everything Rydia does, but she's also hotter and a better character overall. Henryacores
  3. Tifa can use all of Rydia's Magic, and she has more physical power, and she's a better Summoner with "Knights of the Round". Plus I have to go with the one that's cuter. --BlueHighwind 13:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  4. I'm not a huge fan of either one, but I have more experience with Tifa than with Rydia. Kind of a no-brainer, actually. --Rabid Biscuit
  5. I gotta go with Tifa. VII was the first game (Final Fantasy or otherwise) that I really got into and obsessed with, so any battle with a character from VII is going to a battle in which I give my support to whatever is from VII. Plus, I don't really understand the obsession with Rydia. She's like seven and all you pervs think she's the hottest thing. If she's seven, she shouldn't have boobs! Tifa is twenty, and therefore deserving of her mammoth chesticles. --HIMBO
  6. Adam Mcduck: I've never liked Rydia that much. The DS Rydia looks OK, but still not great. Tifa is a better character (better history, etc), can use all Rydia's spells and is physically strong too.
  7. Rydia never got to ride a motorbike RedMage
  8. Chief: How could I be so late?
  9. MYVizm 19:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC): Tifa's just flat out better in my opinion.
  10. Darkling692 I vote for the biger Boobs!!!
  11. Moogle_kingi vote for tifa because she can pummel rydia with her chest and have a wet tshirt contest too at the same time!boobs over mind.
  12. FakeFreedomTifa cause she can fight without any help.
  13. Acropolis Failure to vote for Tifa makes you a Communist. And the Tifa/Loz scene in A.C. is incredible.
  14. Triforcel I'm gonna go with the one without green hair.
  15. Alcaeus: I'm voting for the one with the bigger breasts (it's also a pity vote since she's losing).
  16. Some Color Mage: My mind is conflicted. ARGHHH! But cause I've played VII and not IV (subject to change when I can get my hands on the DS version), Tifa it is.
  17. Gaming-King: I'am go with Tifa because she is so much better then Rydia because Tifa have more attack power she can use magic and Summoner and that why she better then Rydia by the way who votes for a person with green hair
  18. Superaeon35: Tifa gunna open up a can whupass on the green girl!
  19. BigSlurp: Actually there are a number of comments in this poll that sadden me. On both sides. Both are cute, so what. So to dwell on that too much is silly. I also dislike the comments cutting on Materia. Its not any character's fault from FFVII that Materia is how they chose to do 90% of the magic. I imaginge that if Rydia were in that game, she'd have to use Materia too, and would be more akin to Yuffie, in other words, useless. I thought Rydia was a decent character, and maybe it was the fact that she was in an easier game, but I never got Rydia's hit power maxed out. I had Tifa hitting max power like 3/4 the way into the game. So I am going with Tifa this time around.
  20. Masamune: Recently I've tried to be somewhat less of a FFVII fanboy, but I still can't bring myself to vote against Tifa. Plus, I think there are more FFVII haters & FFIV lovers than vice versa, so I'll vote for the underdog.
  21. Kyoku Sefirosu: Because Tifa is a great character overall, she is supportive caring and pretty much an overall good person. I'm not saying Rydia isn't either, but Tifa is Tifa, end of story
  22. The jumper 10:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC) I'm persuaded that a world without boobs is a spoil world... And I prefer 32 bit boobs.
  23. Terra Homing: Tifa cause she can fight without any help.
  24. Xadren: Tifa because I love her attitude, her strength, her love for Cloud. She is a complete character, in all her point of view.
  25. Drake: Okay, who put up this fight because if it wasn't TA, I want to kick his ass! This has been done as an argument or a poll too many times! I'd like to see a new fight soon, possible involving a character who isn't spoken about in a talk template, more than four user pages, and never included in the same poll. How about a real fight next week, like Delita versus (I don't know who would be a goodmatchup for him, only Ramza I guess) uh, Vossler, both plotters? Nope, Delita is much more honorable than Vossler. Next week we should just have a big poll to decided who will face Delita in two weeks! Also, Tifa's storline is much more developed than Rydia's (who is my favorite character in IV after Kain) and she isn't a child stuck in an adult body! Not that has anything to do with my vote, I just wanted to say it to piss off Clawfang. Anywho, she also has a much bigger personality, and due to a longer game there is much more time to get to know her character and for it to really develop. Rydia has the scene where she attacks you, she wakes up in the inn, when she gets attacked by leviathan, when she returns, and when going to the Land Of Summons. That's it. You actually get to play as Tifa. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY THE CHARACTER'S LOOK!
  26. SS:A good fight. finally, something worth voting in.
  27. Zordrac: What the f*ck is wrong with you people? This type of bullshit has got to stop!
  28. Sephiroth: This was tough for me, it came down to which one was my fave FF
  29. Ivalicia: It says this is a fan service poll. Rydia seems like hitting your adopted daughter...
  30. gokus789: I vote for Tifa mostly because I love huge boobs and she's what I want my girlfriend to look like. Also she's cool and a great fighter
  31. ShadowLaguna: I just seem to like Tifa more.
  32. tomtheroadkill: Don't get me wrong. I like Rydia, but I like Tifa more.
  33. MCMLXXXIV: What Tom said.
  34. Etch: gotta go with tifa, never played ffiv so i wouldnt know
  35. Ctaylor503: If you had said Tifa vs Terra, I might've had a hard time making a decision.
  36. TacticAngel: I can't get past the annoying little girl.

Anonymous votes

  1. humm Tifa!!
  2. Rydia is great and as sexy as hell, but so is Tifa. This is a really hard battle because they are both so great, but i'm going to have to go with Tifa on this one, she is like the Final Fantasy sex symbol. Great job who thought of this battle it's been the best in a long time since a lot of boring ones and was really hard and not very one sided at all, great job:).
  3. While Rydia is hot, and I like the color green; I'm gonna have to vote for Tifa. Mostly because she's just as hot as Rydia, but also because I prefer physical strength above magic; and let's face it there's nothing hotter than a sexy woman beating up on things. Since someone asked for a better image, there's one here, Tifa. It's from KH2 though. Just go to the render section.
  4. Troy: I think that Tifa would win. Magic users are usually weak against physical attacks and that is Tifa's speciality. Also Tifa can use all types of magic through the use of materia.
  5. Magic & Strength. Why choose one when you can choose both. so what if the magic comes from magic marbles? She can beat people down with her fists and no weapons, plus any other magicTifa all the way! plus, she is hotter than hell!
  6. If you vote for Rydia just because she's hot, You might be a pedophile.
  7. Rainacide - My vote goes to...Tifa, she can beat a motherfucker's ass with her hands, legs, head & whatever else she can think of. She got them big ol' titties. & she can use magic. Rydia is cool and all but she's only magic-wise, not physical-wise too.
  8. I will go with Tifa, sice she is a great physical fighter, and if you equip materia on her, you can have her as a great Black Mage or Summoner...I recognize that it is a game feature (Final Fantasy VII) advantage but that's life...Besides she is much hotter than Rydia.
  9. Tifa!
  10. The world needs more female Physical fighters.
  11. Yumiko: Usually I would vote for the mage but since both can use magic that wont make sense. Tifa's class is like a monk and I always had a knack for monks. :) (Whys is people voting for who's hotter. This sites member's are composed of males but still... sheesh)
  12. She can kick your ass. Adn she doesnt need any lame pansey magic to do so.
  13. Coin flip. Turned up tails. Tifa won.
  14. Tifa is way hotter.
  15. Tifa made me like console RPGs. If it weren't for Tifa I wouldn't even be looking at FF related stuff today. And childhood friend archetype FTW.
  16. TIFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rydia has got nothing on tifa.....tifa and all the final fantsy 7 characters could own anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF7 forever!!!!!!!!!

Peanut Gallery

The Hexed: I refuse to vote. Damn conflicting sides of my head.

Notice how like half of these votes are in to describe how much more sexier the one girl is over the other...Wow you guys, wow, but I think that's a bit offset because the tag line DOES say pure unadulterated fan service so I can take the fact that they have the authority to do that AzureDrake 16:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

@Diablo: Have you noticed that everyone who has voted for Tifa has voted for more than her cupsize?--ChiefKakashi 19:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC) Can we get a better picture for Tifa? Let's be fair, Rydia's picture very much overshadows Tifa at the moment. Drake Clawfang

Also, to Himbo, and to anyone else, Rydia is NOT seven years old. Time passes quicker in the realm of the monsters, and Rydia aged at an accelerated rate. It's like the theory of relativity. Rydia was seven, then she went to another world where time passes quicker and came back as a woman that I personally put around 19-20 or so. It's not complicated, people. Drake Clawfang
Thanks for clearing that up, Drake. Her being 20-ish makes it slightly less creepy that the majority of males here are drooling over her, especially since the majority of males here are like 15, lol =] --Himbo 21:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
NP Himbo, it's just that another user who shall remain nameless keeps saying she's a kid and it pisses me off. And CSM also makes a good point I thought of, but to be fair CSM, from the sounds of it none of the VII cast can use magic naturally, so it kinda chalks up to a plotline difference. I agree with you though. Drake Clawfang
*coughDMDcough* Oath to Order 00:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Too close to call for me. I may be new here, but this is one battle I can't judge since both have identical sex appeal and (with materia for Tifa) identical abilities as far as magic and summons go. JARIITX 00:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Oooooo, it's neck and neck at 16! We finally get a close fight! Drake Clawfang

I will be upset if Tifa loses, but this would be an honorable loss.--ChiefKakashi

AnonyMan: Darn, I wish it would have been Delita vs Ramza, they're actually interesting. Tifa and Rydia together are barely cooler than Tidus.

BlueHighwind: Unless they're "together" together. In which case no male or female would be able to avert their eyes.
BH, that is the most lovely picture since your Tifa-Aeris christmas pic :D. No offense to Tifa, she *is* hot, I just think Rydia is hotter. Drake Clawfang

BlueHighwind: Huh, Tifa is a winning. Did not see that one coming.

Alcaeus: This fight is going to end on time, right? If no one knows yet, I have the sexiest guy fight on my userpage. I'm pretty sure that no one cares though, since everyone completely ignored the idea because they are too busy masturbating to Tifa/Rydia porn.

Sorry Alcaeus, but we're mostly heterosexual males here. Too bad too, we really need more women. --BlueHighwind 20:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Alcaeus! If he and I and the, like, three girls on the Wiki can vote on who the better female is (which is obviously mostly decided on who you think is hotter), then why can't y'all vote on who is the more attractive male? It doesn't mean you want to bone them. I just don't understand why if girls and gay men can appreciate and comment on the beauty of other women, why can't straight men do the same for males? --Himbo
I only didn't vote in Alcaeus's poll because it left out Sepiroth. I'm not one who suffers homosexual panics. Only gay guys who can't except themselves do that. --BlueHighwind 21:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I just took a look at it, and it didn't seem very comprehensive. There were a few guys I would have liked seeing in there. But I voted for the hottest out of the available options (Balthier, duhhh) --Himbo
I realized that when I created it that I didn't include a lot of guys. I must admit that I picked the guys that I'm most attracted to (and then added Locke there for absolutely no reason). Hmmm. Maybe I'll remove the current polls and just create a poll with every FF guy. --Alcaeus

I can't believe people are still saying Tifa does these things better than Rydia does after I posted my rebuttal to that argument. --Crazyswordsman 19:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Because your argument doesn't address the main issue. Tifa can use better Spells then Rydia, you haven't proven that wrong. Materia or not, she still can use better spells then Rydia. When does Rydia use "Knights of the Round"? Never. --BlueHighwind 20:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, seriously, VII aside, what kind of name for a summon is "Knights of the Round"? Yes, the spell itself is cool and does massive damage, but what kind of summon is that? Bahamut, there's a summon everyone gets. And Tifa being able to summon KotR? Well technically, I believe due to Materia *everyone* can learn KotR, thereby limiting Tifa's specialness in being able to do so. In order for a character's actions to be cool, it has to be something no other character in their game can do. Rydia summons, that's what she does alone, and yes, she uses black but no that's not unique to her. Tifa has her limit breaks. So in a battle of abilities, it's Rydia's summons versus Tifa's limit breaks. Also, seems the vote is tied again. Drake Clawfang
But Rydia still has to buy most of her Magic. She doesn't learn it naturally either. --BlueHighwind 21:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
What are you talking about BH? Rydia learns all her spells via levelling up except Fire, Sylph, Asura, Leviathan and Bahamut. It's in FFV that you have to buy spells. Diablocon 21:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
See kiddies, never assume anything. Espicially do not infer anything based upon long term trends and observations (you buy Magic in all the other old games). What kind of an idiot would do that? Even if I was wrong, those are all the best Spells. What's a Summoner without Bahamut? --BlueHighwind 21:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Rydia doesn't "buy" Asura, Leviathan, or Bahamut, she kicks their asses and they bestow their powers unto her. Hey, if you count up all the votes, including anons, it's tied up (currently). I still really don't know who to vote for. I've never seen Tifa in 3-D form till now. Can't decide >< 8bit BlackMage 22:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
And BH is the one making the assumptions here. Still, take away any of Tifa's enhancements and Rydia still wins. --Crazyswordsman 23:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Put Rydia down to when you first get her, and Tifa wins. That's a meaningless question. In this hypothetical battle, both are as strong as they can possibly be in both their respective games. Otherwise it is not fair for either character. --BlueHighwind 23:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm just going to say this argument is getting repetitive and stupid. Oath to Order 23:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Everything on this website is like that. I just like arguing things. --BlueHighwind 23:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
That was...random. Yes, Tifa would win in that situation. But we're talking about adult Rydia, who knows all these awesome abilities NATURALLY. Oh, and did I mention Tifa can only use these summons very --Crazyswordsman 23:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
An Adroid may be nothing with its metal parts, but he can stick kick your ass. Tifa is still more powerful, how she gained that strength is irrelevent. --BlueHighwind 00:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Who chose to put this fight up by the way? Damn fine choice that man, damn fine. Also, doesn't abriviating Knights of the Round down to KotR remind anyone else of KotoR? Or am I the lone warsy on the wikki? RedMage

Thank me. This fight was my idea :) And yes, KotR is a lot like KotOR.--ChiefKakashi 01:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Jenerix525 This is my response to ChiefKakashi's earlier statement ("Have you noticed that everyone who has voted for Tifa has voted for more than her cupsize?"). It was probably made before these votes, but still, they just arrived a little late.

Darkling692 I vote for the biger Boobs!!!

Moogle_kingi vote for tifa because she can pummel rydia with her chest and have a wet tshirt contest too at the same time!boobs over mind.

Alcaeus: I'm voting for the one with the bigger breasts (it's also a pity vote since she's losing).

The jumper 10:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC) I'm persuaded that a world without boobs is a spoil world... And I prefer 32 bit boobs.

Notice that the entirity of their argument seems to be: "Tifa has (bigger/more-graphically-detailed/bigger/gigantic) boobs!"

You jealous?RedMage
Do not underestimate the power of breasts. Men will agree to anything - no matter how outrageous - to see them: "My best freind that I've know since kindergarten is an asshole", "I'm interested in your thoughts and what you have to say", "I'm willing to make a commitment", "Its over between me and my ex-girlfreind", "Will you marry me?" etc. All bullshit. In fact our entire society is based upon impressing the opposite sex enough so that you can feel some boobies. --BlueHighwind 16:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
My comment was more of a joke. Anyway, I prefer Rydia over Tifa even though I voted for Tifa. --Alcaeus
Yes, I made that comment, 5 minutes later, we get...those votes.-_---ChiefKakashi 04:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The lead now has tipped to Tifa, with 30 1/2 votes over Rydia's 27. It's still a very close match, and anyone can take home the trophy of "most voted for by a bunch of losers." Let's watch and see how this concludes! -- Drake

Why the bitterness Drake? Do you not like women? Or do you just have something against people who care about something you care little about? or did you just have a crap day? RedMage
I just think that this match has been done enough already, I don't care about whether like Tifa or Rydia anymore! This is worst than an Amano versus Nomura argument on the forums! Why must we do the same thing all the time. CSM has to think about moving up that May project to March, this is getting annoying, everything's so repetitive. -- Drake
Drake, maybe you've been around for too long, or combed through the forums too frequently. I don't remember any recent huge argument between Tifa and Rydia, the fight's shaped up to be one of the most nail biting DNC competitions we've ever had, and you didn't even vote on the talk page, much less reject the Tifa vs. Rydia idea! 8bit BlackMage 21:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Not exactly... We've had a number of ties, and it looks like Rydia lost by a dozen or so. TacticAngel

Well, this was inevitable. Go on, happy fantasies. I won't vote to ruin your fun. Just please archive this page when you're done with this page. TheSwordofDoubt 07:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't be a fuddy-duddy. This is actually the best fight we've had in a LONG TIME! Even I voted. -- Alcaeus
TSOD, why have you been so grumpy lately? Anyway, I wanted to see Tifa in a fight, but I also didn't want it to be some lame-ass one-sided beat down.--ChiefKakashi 23:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Do I really sound grumpy? I was just wishing you guys a good fight. And please archive it. TheSwordofDoubt 03:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

(in reaction to anonymous vote 12 for Rydia) Ouch. RedMage

I've removed it. I can only put up with so many stupid votes for either side. Anyone else who shouts curses in all caps will have their votes removed as well. --BlueHighwind 22:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, this is a new thing. I've been here for quite a while, although I don't have many of the Final Fantasies, making it kinda worthless for me to make an account here. However, I've seen most, of not all of the Dragon's Neck Colosseum battles, and this is one of the most....odd ones I've seen in all of my visits here to the Final Fantasy Wiki. Click on the pictures and you'll see what I mean. I know it's Pure, Unadultrated Fan Service, but come on!

I think it's bloody hilarious how worked up you folks are getting over which fictional person in a video game series. I mean, FF is great, but... GREEN-HAIRED girl in a weird bathing suit who pulls dragons out of thin air versus woman who uses marbles to cast magic and is unaffected by gravity in AC? It r SRS BIZNEZ. XD Eowynjedi 05:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Reality Check plz.--N/A

*gasp* Y-You m-m-m-m-mean...F-Final Fantasy...Isn't REAL?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! -- ChiefKakashi 17:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

craigrules14 i cant choose, WHY!!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!

Pikmin Master: I'll like to see Kaze next time. I have several opponents for him.

Wait. Tifa's winning? NOOOOOO!!

Wow. I accepted on the weekend Tifa would probably win, but this just snowballed into a +10 vote for her. I can accept Rydia losing, if she has to lose to anyone in a hottness contest it should be Tifa, but not by this large a margin! Drake Clawfang

Week 57: Materia v. Draw

Materia
Winner!!
Materia

Materia
36 to 20
Draw ability
This week its time for something different; two of the more controversial magic systems. Do you like magic in marbles or do you not like it at all!?

Votes for Materia

  1. Crazyswordsman: The one that doesn't suck gets my vote.
  2. BlueHighwind: Draw sucks in every way possible. My characters in FFVII were the greatest team I've ever made. No competition.
  3. Chief: Because I can.
  4. North Ace: Probably because "Draw" is friggin' cheap after you master it; no level grinding.
  5. Some Color Mage: I hate Draw. Besides, I like the double-edged sword thing. Adds more strategy.
  6. Aramis: Well, haven't finished either of those games... Started playing FFVII though... Not as good as FFXII, FFVI, or FFIV, but whatever.
  7. Alcaeus: If I wrote how many times I have to Draw > Stock 100 spells in my FF8 walkthrough, there would be 5 pages dedicated to just one battle. Why do I have to perform such a goddamn mediocre task just to increase my characters' attributes? Not only that, whenever I use a spell that is junctioned to an attribute, the attribute is then lowered (i.e. if Curaga is junctioned to HP, then using Curaga would lower the character's Max HP). While I dislike Materia, it is the obvious choice when being compared to the draw system. I hate these one-sided fights, BH please put the Ramza vs. Delita fight up next. PLEASE!
  8. Triforcel: I found materia to be somewhat usefull to use. Especially the Master materia. Draw on the other hand was one of the reasons I got so fed up with VIII that I didn't finish it.
  9. Otherarrow: Magic rocks are tons better than....whatever the Drawn stuff is supposed to be.
  10. Roman King: Draw sucks.
  11. Mizuno Mahou: Materia is loads better than the whole Junction/Draw system from VIII. That's saying a lot because Materia is inferior to most other ability systems in Final Fantasy.
  12. Super Sephiroth: Oh fuck
  13. dudutsai: Didn't like either of them... but Draw sucks soooo much more. Also, this isn't one sided, yet. It might yet become one and it possibly should be, but it's not.
  14. RedMage: I want to make this abosolutely clear: I AM VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE BETTER MAGIC SYSTEM. Not because i am FFVII fanboy or any of the other various things that voting for something vaguely related to VII instantaniously make me in some people's eyes.
  15. Masamune: The reason I couldn't play FFVIII for more than the first few hours was the Draw System. That and wooden characters, a generally confused plot line and an exhaustingly repetitive battle system...but mostly the Draw system. And even though there are better magic systems in Final Fantasy, I didn't mind Materia that much. Plus it contributed to the story.
  16. MYVizm: i liked materia much better than the draw system. that one confused me ^^
  17. Rabid Biscuit: I hated FFVIII. Draw was one of the reasons. VII wasn't my favorite either, but Materia meant that anyone could learn practically anything, and that's pretty cool.
  18. Pikmin Master: I don't like either. But I hate Draw more, looking at Spoony's video.
  19. Chocolancer: ooooohh...shiny materia <drools>, even though its immensely time-consuming to level up materia, they're shiny, effective, and switchable to any character so they can use any magic that the materia allows, and its a better alternative to the "learn" magic system
  20. Alexander Namingway: as much as I respect the draw system I'm going to have to go with materia on this one. I simply allowed for much more versatility and fun combos, especially since you could switch summons around. Looking at the other side, this doesn't look like a one sided fight so far. HOWEVER, please try to make the next fights a bit more of a toss up. I didn't even bother voting last time since I knew it was going to be such a landslide victory for Shiva.
  21. Gaming-King:Draw sucks man, Materia all the wayand its a BETTER MAGIC SYSTEM .
  22. Adam mcduck: Draw was annoying as you could draw 9 magic in one turn and then 1 the next and then all you get is 1 until you end up killing your foe. It can take ages to get magic. Materia is also more storylined I guess - it is a part of the story and it itself has a history.
  23. Bluesilver: i hated draw and it is the main reason that i don't really play FFVIII and i think that the materia system was quite good itself.
  24. Darkling692: I hated FF VIII for a lot of reasons, Draw was one of those reasons. Materia on the other hand is not that bad. At least I liked the feeling that I was collecting some kind of jewels.
  25. HIMBO:DUHHH!
  26. tomtheroadkill: Despite the fact there was some good magic in FF8 using Draw, Materia still wins it for me!
  27. Xadren: I vote Materia because I like the way I must organize it and the way I can link different types of Materia in order to have the best effects. Beside in FF8 I always looked at how much spells I had...it was a torture!
  28. Drake: I can't stand how people say that the reason Draw is better is because it's "better for your gaming skills/rep (okay, this really shouldn't be in quotes because I'm putting together a few of them) by drawing 100 spells than leveling up materia." First of all, this is untrue. I was able to have Squall get 99 Thundagas by the end of Disc 2. I was able to get the same number of Firagas with Zell by halfway through the same disc! I never mastered any materia in Final Fantasy VII except for Chocobo Lure and Restore. And I've played it over five times. And the way materia made some stats go up and some go down gave more dept and strategy to the battle system. It was fun to have to think about whether that Bolt 3 was worth the HP reduction of 20%. In VIII you just wait till you have a hundred of one spell then turn it into another spell. Boring.
  29. FakeFreedom:Materia was fun to junction and make different combinations to buff your characters. Drawing 11 or more times out of every monster to get 100 of every spell you needed wasn't my idea of fun. it was terrible and should of never been used, don't ever tell me you enjoyed wasting your life away watching the draw animation over and over.
  30. Shiningrayofdestruction:I'll have to go with the one that doesn't make me want to fling my PS2 into a vat of sulferic acid. Draw is the most annoying thing ever spawned by mankind, so I'm definitely going with materia.
  31. TacticAngel

Anonymous votes

  1. Draw does suck
  2. much better than draw
  3. at least materia makes sense
  4. Because I don't want to spend all of my time trying to figure out a magic system. it's ridiculous because that ISN'T THE POINT OF THE GAME! It's alot more simple, and can be used for anything than just magic alone, like increasing status, summoning, hell even luring Chocobos. Also I saw where someone mentioned that with Draw you can use enemy attacks.... you can also do that with Materia all in all I don't want a game where the main focus is pretty much the magic system, that's insanely stupid. ofcourse there are downsides like lowering stats by a little and it kind of removes classes like Black, White, Red, and Blue Mages, but hey FFVII is pretty much best by popular vote
  5. Rainacide - As much as I love both games & both systems of magic, I would have to say Materia. I didn't like the idea that Magic came in stock rather than using MP for consumption. I did love the idea with all the abilities & customizing you could do with the Draw system but Materia wins because you...CUSTOMIZE even more with Materia and the battles are more interesting with Materia. Even though Materia's being reborn may sound funny, it's cool because you can give any character your new or used Materia & get the abilities learned from it. But there is a thing I hated about Materia, the stat reductions. & the fact that the Magic is never learned to the character permanently. If Materia did have that, it would have been a 1 sided fight.
  6. OMFG another BORING BATTLE AGAIN! what a waste of time... ...anyway Materia will have to get my vote cause it is a really good magic system and is very customisable. And btw we could of at least seen a less one sided battle like excalibur vs masamune.
  7. The entire system of FF8 was completely broken, and Draw was really a big part of that. I beat the game at level 20 and that was practically without trying. Materia on the other hand could be customized to create a variety of interesting effects, such as Counter+Steal or Chocobo Lure+Encounter Up.
  8. Unlike the others Im not going to shoot the draw system down. It was pretty cool and interesting, but it has several flaws. the most annoying flaw was the magic was NOT permanent!! I liked how you could use, magic to enhance your stats and all too, but the flaw with that is that you can no longer use that magic, and all the spells taht enhanced stats were good spells for battle too..
  9. Draw sucks, materia was bearable
  10. Yumiko: Draw was the reason I only reason I played VIII only once. It took way to long. Materia you can just equip and cast.
  11. Draw is horible and a waste of time but materia is awesome its so good to use.. i would pick materia over draw any day...

Votes for Draw

  1. It's more original. The Hexed
  2. I'll go with the one that's going to lose. Oath to Order
  3. BH, draw sucks beacuse YOU can't play games with a system that pulls a harder work of the Human mind. Draw is much more original than Materia, and though it's game consists on putting your characters on critical to spam limit breaks, the Draw system is a much better add to the game, which makes it lighter and softer to play. It's easyness is so great that it reaches stupidity. - The Azorean One
  4. AnonyMan: Dang, I see another extremely one-sided fight coming along. Draw's unique and interesting, but like a lot of VIII's gameplay mechaincs has some flaws. Materia's basic and fine too, but my vote is pretty much personal prefernces to the games themselves, I'd have to flip a coin to flip a coin to deicde if I'd play VII again.
  5. Mymindislost: Meh. I like Draw. :/
  6. AzureDrake: I don't like the fact that they just took the magic system in FFVI and just gave it a spherical coat of paint. But anywhos, pity vote 'cuz this is OBVIOUSLY going to be outrun by FFVII.
  7. Netherith: Numerous reasons: 100 magic Drawn commands more respect in a persons gaming skills then a leveled up Materia overall. Potentially the Draw ability can be more awesome then Materia (nothing says 'owned' then using the enemy's own magic against them). It requires more ability in tactics, patience and foresight to use Draw effectively then it is to use Materia effectively. No Drawn magic is wasted, whilst Materia can be thrown away or simply lost. Never understood how a Materia gave birth to another materia (well, magically I do understand but Drawn magic makes more sense).
  8. Halpo: I love everything about FF8 better than FF7. The draw system was just one fantastic way to help your characters, and I'd go into detail but the last guy did a much better job at that than me :P Just a side note, someone mentioned magicite being better because it gave stat bonuses, spells, and summons all at once. I'd like to point out if you use the draw system properly it does all the same things.
  9. SmegHead: At least FFVIII had the balls to try a new style of gameplay. Just rename Materia to Crystal or Magicite and bask in the unoriginality.
  10. Does anyone care at all?: I don't give a shit about any comparisons between these games and I think the comparisons themselves are just plain retarded. One-sided fights suck.
  11. User: Sjoerd777:Draw.Why? Cause i hate FF7
  12. PhoenixDew: Draw may have its 'draw-backs', lol, but I found it more enjoyable, I hated how materia screwed up your stats! -5% hp? WHY??!?!
  13. bob the geomancer: it was on of the few things i liked about the game
  14. Faethin: I tend to avoid DNC, but what the heck. Draw gets my vote. I intensely disliked the fact that Materia lowered your stats because... because... actually, why did it do it? It doesn't seem to make sense. And I loved to draw and cast Apocalypse on Ultimecia. Netherith's right, that's very the example next to the definition of "owned" in the dictionary.
  15. Hiddensilver: Draw gets my vote, mostly because of the Card Mod ability. Much as I love level grinding, the fact that you could develop your characters through a card game that required a bit more thought than just mashing "attack" over and over was a welcome addition to those hours and hours of gaming.
  16. Ivalicia: Materia was also tedious, if you remember, since it multiplied like crazy after becoming mastered, creating dozens of worthless little level 1 materias.
  17. The Original MK: Ok, Materia wasn't that bad. I hated how I had to have each character learn the magic in FFVI from magicite; With Materia, I could just equip and cast. That being said, leveling up Materia is a bitch. The magic system in FFVIII just seems more original or realistic(?) and you don't have to grind just to get new magic, you got new magic when you got far enough in the story. I only wished that you could buy also spells as well in FFVIII... Maybe then it won't have such a bad rep.

Anonymous votes

  1. Draw provides an infinite amount of opportunity for intellectual thought, meta discussion and fits in beautifully with the gameplay system. It's innovative, and while it may have its flaws, at least it isn't some recycled version of the magic system in, I don't know, basically every other FF game that came before it. Draw requires brains to use, that's what makes it brilliant.
  2. EmuMaster: Ugh. The one that isn't in Final Fantasy 7. Though I hate both of them.
  3. Exodus: Draw. Materia is SOOOOOO tedious!
  4. Troy: While I felt that Materia was a better system, I'm giving my vote to Draw because it was unique. FF8 is one of those games that I tried to play years ago, didn't care for it, but need to go back and give it another try since I'm older and perhaps a little better gamer since then.
  5. For some reason, the materia system annoyed me. It just did. Draw for me.
  6. I vote for draw mainly because I don't like to use magic alot, so to stock the magic and then junction it to raise stats such as strength and speed is a good idea to me.

Peanut Gallery

Let put this in the nicest way possible. STOP PICKING FIGHTS THAT ARE ONE SIDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really. I know meteria will win this fight. Just like I know pitting Terra with Rinoa will end with Terra winning. Just like I know Locke would win if he and Squall would fight. Please, next time pick a fight that might have a chance of being evenly matched. Oath to Order 01:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Next week, I'm doing Ramza vs. Delita. That should prove to be interesting. Who will win? The goody-two-shoes aristocrat, or the ambitious usurper? --BlueHighwind 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't that used already? - Henryacores
I have a better idea. Why don't we choose the fights the same way we choose featured articles? Some users nominate fights and people vote on them. Better yet, why don't we do that but also change it every week. Make it a "weekly" fight instead of an "update whenever I feel like it" fight? Oath to Order 01:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Are you going to vote, or just whine, Oath? And Henry, its never been done, I just checked. --BlueHighwind 01:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I want Tifa vs. Rydia next week. I came up with that before all these other ideas. (I think) A lot of other people liked it, so I think it should be done next week.--ChiefKakashi 02:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
AnonyMan: I like the Ramza/Delita idea better seems like less a chance of it being one-sided like I imagine Tifa/Rhydia being. I know Del's pretty popular, but Ramza while not anything special or cool(Not saying he's a bad either) I see alot of love for him. I'd like to see how that turns out
This doesn't seem as lopsided so far as a lot of popular fights. Its my understanding that both systems are reviled by some and loved by others. I also wouldn't count on democracy working here very well. <3 TacticAngel

Strongly nominate Ramza vs. Delita, Ivalice characters gets too little spotlight; but shouldn't it be in the talkpage?--N.Angeal

How does Draw take more thought? Its tedious busywork. --BlueHighwind 02:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Patience is a virtue my friend --Henryacores
Patience is for losers. I got things to do. --BlueHighwind 02:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC
Meh...You spend days writing walkthroughs and you say patience is for losers? I consider that self-attack - Henryacores
What the Hell is your problem, man? I was just debating a video game. You had to start attacking me. Jesus. What a freak. --BlueHighwind 02:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
BH, a.k.a. The Touchy One--ChiefKakashi 02:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

To be perfectly honest magicite was a much better system than both of these. It gave stat bonuses, spells, and summons all at once

......We waited....a week and a half....for this!?!??!!??!?! And can anyone update the DNC at will now? I would have done it quite some time ago if I knew it was allowed. 8bit BlackMage 02:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. There were a lot of better ones than this.--ChiefKakashi 02:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Unwritten rule as stated by Crazyswords: Only members of the Wiki Staff can update the DNC. TA gets first dibs out of respect. Then comes Crazyswords, then any other Admin or Mod. I think I may be the only one to actually use that power though. --BlueHighwind 02:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm getting tired of these boring fights, just end this battle right now and get on with the Ramza vs. Delita fight. - Alcaeus

Here's a little something I'm sure everyone's seen. It's annoying, but shows the Draw system at its "finest." http://youtube.com/watch?v=CiToL55zwRI - Alcaeus

"This is all I have to say to the fanboys of FFVIII. Watch this video, and FUCK YOU!" A living prophit, that Spoony One is. Man, I wish I had that kind of tech for my FFVIII Review. --BlueHighwind 04:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
That's a very clear and sharp video, no pixelation at all. People whine to much. -- Netherith 05:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
But where's you retort? The Spoony One brings up good points. How can you vote for Draw if you cannot defeat those points with logic, my fellow Mod? --BlueHighwind 06:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Even though I love Spoony and enjoyed his series on FFVIII, he does carry on a bit about the draw system. An experienced FFVII player would not sit there at the first encountered enemy and just draw for an hour. When on the first disc, I usually draw 2 times at most from each enemy I encounter: Draw, Attack, Draw, Attack, enemy defeated, move on. SmegHead 09:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Why is Halpo numbered 1? AzureDrake 05:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Prooblum resolved, now who wants cake? AzureDrake 06:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I just remembered another reason to hate the Draw/Junction system, it makes your characters invincible. Now add the fact that Squall's Limit already dishes out extreme amounts of damage, max STR means that all of the monsters/bosses can be killed in only a few hits. What's the fun in that? - AlcaeusTheWizard 06:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to make mine and Oath's message as clear as possible. STOP THE DAMN ONE-SIDED FIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are just stupid, lame and childish IMO. And I don't care whatever you say about wanting to continue, just please stop them and end it now and for all. Seriously. Thank you, and have an emo free day. TheSwordofDoubt 11:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Since the score is currently 12 to 11, I'd hardly call this a one-sided fight. Unless all the FFVII fanboy anons come out of the woodwork, this is shaping to be a close contest. And the DNC is supposed to just be a fun community activity to welcome new contributors to the wiki, it's not going to ruin your life to have this up for a week. You and Oath need to grow up a little. SmegHead 11:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Why does everyone on this wiki hate FFVII? Every debate that even mentions FFVII instantly gets a million supporters to the other side just out of spite. You don't care about the issue. You're not thinking. You're just voting to beat one single game. And no fights with FFVII in them are ever one-sided. You know why? Its because of the FFVII haters. Which there are far too many on this wiki. I have nothing but respect for Crazyswords in this vote. He voted for the better system. I also support Neherith, he voted for what he believed in. But as for the rest of you. You're a bunch of dense, prejudiced, idiots. Get over it. FFVII is liked better than the other games. So what? --BlueHighwind 14:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Just in case that was directed at me BH, I don't dislike FFVII, it is a great game. But I honestly enjoy FFVIII more, and admire the leaps it took to originality. SmegHead 23:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
And if that was at me, I don't hate FF VII either. How can I? I've never played it. But neither do I love it. All I can do is respect it from afar, because I will never be able to play it. TheSwordofDoubt 14:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

So far so good....--Nellolipop

Nelo where did that come from -.- "Nellolopop" lol AzureDrake 15:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Superaeon35: Actually ive never played either of these games through. (on my first time ever on ff7, god bless the psp hackers, and tryin to get ff8) till then i cant vote.

I'm surprised at how "close" this fight is. It's not like last fight where Shiva got 20 votes in half a second and Mateus got maybe 2 in a few days. This one might be worth watching, though it's quickly becoming less balanced.--ChiefKakashi 04:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not that surprised. There are a few things that I do when choosing a fight, most of which I think are taken from CSM's cue; ensure the participants do not appear often, try not to do something thats been done before, try not to do something too self-indulgent, and lastly the fairness. Its often hard to judge the last one. Most of the suggestions on the talk page are one or more of these problems. In short, I will take your demand under advisement, as Col. Tighe said. --TacticAngel 11:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
This, however, is the exception. Most of the fights have been one-sided crapfests.--ChiefKakashi 19:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
For reference, see: Week 56, Week 55, Week 54, Week 53... 8bit BlackMage 23:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, you have nobody to blame but yourselves. You are the voting public after all. Its your desicion about how one-sided these fights are. So quit whining. I have to say that Cecil deserved more votes in my Paladin fight, but I guess the old school FF crowd just wasn't up to voting that week. --BlueHighwind 23:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
To that end, Agrias beat Ashe. I wonder how Agrias v. Beatrix would come out. As far as 8bit, OoO, and tSoD, find something else to do or something else to complain about. Nothing's changing.--TacticAngel 00:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
BH, you don't make sense. We didn't choose the fights, so how is it the voting public's fault for voting in a poll whose identity is out of their control? Anyway, the nomination system has changed, and I would love to see an Agrias vs. Beatrix fight. 8bit BlackMage 00:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
It has? I didn't vote on it. --TacticAngel 04:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

@8-bit: I though we chose the fights. Agrias vs Beatrix sounds good, someone suggest it, if they've not already (shitty conection won't let me load the suggestions page just now) also, what's with all the emnity towards BH? At least he actually puts fights up for us instead of deciding to do something more personaly benefitial RedMage

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