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The Rules, Briefly

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Last Man Standing

Last Man Standing is a spinoff of the original Dragon's Neck Colosseum. It is a fight between the previous victor of Last Man Standing and victor of the previous DNC fight. It occurs every other week; in other terms, it happens when the normal DNC fights are not going on. It has the same rules as the normal fights, with a few exceptions:

  • Ties will never be called and the 10% is disregarded. If the two opponents tie, the defending champion will be declared the victor.
  • If a character wins 5 Last Man Standing fights in a row, he or she will be retired from LMS and two new battlers will vie for the coveted champion spot.
  • Sometimes a previous Last Man Standing champion may be revived to fight against the current champion. This will happen if the previous DNC winner is incapable with LMS (i.e. if the previous winner was a game mechanic, a summon, or an enemy) or for special celebrations.

Fight 185: Yang Fang Leiden v. Sabin Rene Figaro

Yang art
Dnc v
Sabin IV
Today we have a matchup between two great monks in the early series. Yang, the monk of Fabul, will face off against Sabin, the student of the great Duncan. This looks to be an old-fashioned brawl of epic proportions, folks. VICTOR

Votes for Yang

  1. The wonders of voting before anyone else can vote :3 The pan incident kind of cements Yang (and Yang's wife moreso) as awesome. Jimcloud 17:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  2. What she said. (And methinks that last time there was a flurry of sockpuppets right before it closed, although I hate to lay the blame.) C A T U S E 18:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Not voting for Yang in a battle of monks? That would be like voting for Edward in a battle of vampires! ZaFlareStar 26th February 2012 (GMT+2)
  4. オメガ Mk.XII 20:15, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Such a hard choice again...I only chose Yang because I hated how you had to memorize all of his skills with the weird button codes...I have a bad memory and fail at even the simplest memory games... Kaintheflaminglancer 21:29, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Been playing a lot of FFIV lately.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 21:49, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  7. It's a little hard not to root for Yang, when even his own wife and daughter are kickass. --Marael 22:05, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  8. The only one to survive the Mom Bomb "Explode" was Yang. Badassery? I think so. BlitzballArtTidus357 22:39, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I had a change of heart... *wrings hands and twirls moustache* - +DeadlySlashSword+ 22:51, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Both awesome monks but i prefer Yang's personality oveer Sabin HOWEVER Yang's pants in this picture looks like that of a clown's lol.AaaaaTheNemesisx 23:58, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

Votes for Sabin

  1. Cyruny 18:53, 26 February 2012 (CET)
  2. Sabin, no contest. Yang is very cool but he wishes he was as useful and permanent. No other FF martial artist can hang with him, except Prishe.--AnonyMan 18:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 19:11, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Korean rangerYang is the boss, but Sabin has a better story. He also doesn't get beaten by his wife. Such a sad case of an abused husband... What does that teach children these days?
  5. Train. Suplex. Drake Clawfang (talk)
  6. This guy made it into my final party, along with Edgar, Celes, and Shadow. Not only does he have raw physical power, but he also has powerful blitzes, such as raging fist, meteor strike, and chakra. He survived the apocalypse and can use magic through magicite. Plus he destroyed a certain undead locomotive with only his hands. Yang cannot do better. --Time Master 21:25, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  7. The guy has FIGHTING SPIRIT!!!!!  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 21:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  8. MOTHERFUCKER SUPLEXED A TRAIN! ----BlueHighwind 21:56, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  9. --ClixPsi 22:48, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Meatheads, meatheads, EVERYWHERE! King of Noobs 23:22, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  11. SUPLEXED A TRAIN!!!!!!!! Violagirl33 01:25, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  12. With a wide variety of skills and the capability to be a powerhouse without having to charge for it, Sabin has my vote. Yang has his high points, but Sabin has the edge. Dogurasu 01:39, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Final Fantasy IV is my favorite game yet I must give my vote to my favorite Bum rushing, train suplexing, fighter, Sabin.CecilAxel 04:06, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Da wife beater LC 13:31, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. I love FF4 and FF6, but Sabin is too adorable and his skills were really helpful. # 23:14, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  2. 07:41, February 27, 2012 (UTC) Since I've never liked Yang... My vote is easy :).

Peanut Gallery

Just a reminder for you folks, but that thing where people decide the future of the DNC with regards to Last Man Standing is still going on, so if you have something to say about how last week's LMS match went, and whether you want more matches like that, that would be the place to do it. Jimcloud 17:10, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

What Catuse said. Kain does not lose a lead like that so quickly... BlitzballArtTidus357 22:42, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I have suspicions of my own, but I'm not the person to be checking IPs and all that stuff. I don't have the first idea about that. So, I called it how it stands now, and if evidence comes in to the contrary, then we'll adjudicate accordingly. Jimcloud 23:06, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
I'd do it myself, if I knew how. But, again, my n00bishness stands out :/ BlitzballArtTidus357 01:47, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 184: Last Man Standing Round 4: Cecil Harvey v. Kain Highwind

LMS Icon
CECIL Harvey
VICTORY - 21-19½
KAIN Highwind
DEFEAT - 21-19½
Cecil, the three time champion of Last Man Standing, faces off against his best friend, Kain. Can Kain dethrone Cecil's position as champion? Or will Kain be Cecil's fourth victim? Who will be the Last Man Standing?

Votes for Cecil

  1. Agh!, too hard to choose, i like them both.AaaaaTheNemesisx 01:53, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Cecil would win.Keltainentoukokuu 02:32, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Kain is kinda a little bitch. Also Cecil is the more useful party member. ----BlueHighwind 03:04, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Kain got the last blow with one HP on Zeromus with a Jump... but Cecil fought and won against Odin, surviving a few Zantetsuken attacks... hard to choose, but I'm giving the edge to Cecil. But only just. Dogurasu 03:22, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Placing my vote here because Cecil's the one I like to play more in 012. Now if it was vs. Golbez... King of Noobs 05:11, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Cyruny 11:25, February 21, 2012 (CET)
  7. I'm going to vote for Cecil because I do not play him as much as Kain in Dissidia Duodecim. ZaFlareStar 20:14, 21st February, 2012 (GMT+2)
  8. Already know what I said aboot Kain. Heck, Cecil is one of the reasons why Kain ain't as cool as people have been led to believe. Cecil is more likable anyway--AnonyMan 01:09, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  9. My two favourite Final Fantasy Characters, But like Cecil's character better Alexcool880 02:23, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  10.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 08:22, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
  11. ケフカパラッツオ 12:18, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Long time Fan of Cecil, Kain is amazing, but I always liked Cecil more.CecilAxel 16:02, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I really like how he mastered both DarkKnight and Paladin my two favorite jobs in the series.Lone Coyote 11:42, February 24, 2012 (EST)
  14. Cecil faced more hardships -_- Vercery 16:26, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Hard to choose between the two biggest Badasses in FF but Cecil wins, if only slightly.Dissidian 04:29, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Cecil easily.Tinks1 04:36, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Boome2 04:39, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Cecil and Kain are both awesome but Cecil is just the epitome of a hero and leader. Gotta go with him.CRK 04:49, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  19. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1 05:20, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Cecil can go all the way! SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2 08:23, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Never liked any of them. But still, Cecil is somehow less annoying to me. 11:27, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  2. PALADIN FORCE. Plus Cecil's a sexy mofo. 04:34, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Kain

  1. I like the image choices, They actually do look like they're facing off. Jimcloud 01:57, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I'm a bigger fan of Dragoons and Liam O'Brien's epic voice.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 02:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Kain Highwind did not receive the power to become a Holy Dragoon from Kluya. He just decided he had held back too long and let some more of his power show. Drake Clawfang (talk)
  4. I do kinda feel guilty about voting against Cecil, but it was always going to come to this. KAIN FTW! 8D BlitzballArtTidus357 03:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I like Kain. I don't like Cecil. There. ClixPsi 03:48, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  6. LC 10:35, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Aye sir!!!! LegendCrystarium Crystal LightningAqua 10:36, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Boy this is hard, but I guess Kain has a better voice actor. COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 10:55, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I think Kain is cooler than Cecil.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite 16:35, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Well... Kain was the 1st character I leveled to 100 in 012 and Cecil was my second so Kain wins... Oh yeah! Did I mention that Kain is my favorite video game character of all time. Kaintheflaminglancer 16:47, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Curse you, making me choose between these two :'( simply because I think Kain has had more to overcome than Cecil, I'm going to pick him. Sorry Cecil. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 18:47, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  12. I already expressed my love for Kain when he challenged Fang, and my beef with Cecil when he challenged Agrias. 'nuff said. C A T U S E 23:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Kain was my favorite. Not only is he attractive, but he had a much more interesting character development and personality than Cecil. One more vote for the dragoon! User:Violagirl33 04:43, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  14. I feel I may regret this vote later on. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 17:00, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  15. I simply cannot bring myself to vote against Kain, hero of the FFWiki. ScatheMote 23:48, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Purple lip-stick wearing Knight vs a dragoon with a manly voice. Razordash 00:08, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Kain is a tank if used right, and is the only one who can dodge any attack, if jump is timed right Theepicdragoon 17:01, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
  18. SomeDudE X 12:20, February 26, 2012 (UTC) Whenever i read kain speak in text boxes i cant help but to read it in a Liam O'Brien voice

Anonymous Votes

  1. -- 11:20, February 21, 2012 (UTC) For me, this wasn't even a question.
  2. ---- 02:35, February 22, 2012 (UTC) Kain's my all time favourite :)
  3. 14:58, February 22, 2012 (UTC) Kain. Main character of FFIV, no points.

Peanut Gallery

Frequent voters are encouraged to give their opinions on the format of the DNC under the change of management here. In particular, what role should LMS play in regards to normal fights, if you want it to remain at all, and how frequently would you like the fight to be changed? Doreiku Kuroofangu 14:26, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Am i the only one here who feels that the Holy Dragoon Kain image looks.....lame?AaaaaTheNemesisx 03:15, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

No, I think we all reckon he sucks a little. On the other hand, you can now see his beautiful face :) Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 18:43, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of which, has Kain always been left handed? O.o Maybe it's just my bad memory, but I swear I've seen him with that spear in his other hand. BlitzballArtTidus357 03:05, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Like many left-handed characters, Kain gets that treatment often. From our article: "Officially, Kain is considered left-handed, yet numerous illustrations depict Kain right-handed; Yoshitaka Amano's artwork features Kain holding his lance right-handed, while Kain's Nintendo DS model and his The After Years artwork also depict him this way." Another guy who gets this is Sephy. Jimcloud 03:10, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. I thought they'd be neck and neck and stay that way, but can't say I'm really surprised with Cecil falling behind right now, even he has his detractors. Kain however almost seems to have none for some odd reason. --AnonyMan 01:13, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Currently, we are planning to alternate the updates of the DNC with a modified Last Man Standing (the new rules have been added to the header of this page). Updates will come more frequently than before (currently, they are planned to update every Sunday, though that might be subject to change). I'd like to ask if anyone has any objections to this course of action or would like to propose alternative rules to LMS, please leave a comment here or on this forum. Thanks, and I hope you enjoy the fight! ScatheMote 23:48, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Think of the magnitude of this battle were both to be brainwashed to the usual more powerful than normal bad@$!%!. Razordash 00:04, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I never realized how popular Cecil is... Good thing we have that new "after a certain amount of wins" clause. King of Noobs 14:37, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 183: Kain Highwind v. Oerba Yun Fang

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Dnc v
Kain Highwind
29½ to 24
Kain Highwind, Commander of the Dragoons of Baron, faces off against his female counterpart in Oerba Yun Fang, the commander of the Eidolon Bahamut. VICTOR
Kain Highwind
29½ to 24

Votes for Kain

  1. YAY FIRST VOTE! Kain is horribly broken if you know how to use him. And even if you don't, he's still awesome. C A T U S E 04:24, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  2. !DblJmp - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:32, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Kain Highwind's Jump was tuned down for his Dissidia appearances due to concerns it would cause the game to crash. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:37, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 04:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  5. AaaaaTheNemesisx 05:16, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  6. He's a more dynamic character than Fang. ClixPsi 05:18, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  7. This vote is not long for this world.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Would you not all be confused if i didn't vote for kain? Kaintheflaminglancer 16:43, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Is this meant to be a competition? Looks more like a faceroll to me. ZaFlareStar 20:28, 24th January, 2012 (GMT+2)
  10. Uh...hmm. I never understood people's absurd hard-on for Kain, or why they're convinced he's SUCH a BADASS, he's not. He's okay. But Fang has it worse because XIII has a terrible cast and she's no exception. She's like the only dragoon I would pick Kain over.AnonyMan 20:44, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  11. ケフカパラッツオ 21:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  12. As useful as Fang was in FFXIII battles, Kain is a better character. His repeated betrayals, and failure to join the party after Zeromus is defeated, really show his character development. Plus I used him to kill the weaker version of Feral Chaos in Duodecium. (haven't beat the stronger one... yet.) On the other hand, I found Fang's character somewhat lacking in depth. Also her survival, along with Vanille's was questionable at the end of ff13. Long story short, I think Kain is the superior character. --Time Master 21:33, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I'll go with Kain, mostly because I never played FFXIII, but also because I loved FFIV--Xabryn 21:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  14. SomeDudE X 09:29, February 15, 2012 (UTC) I just love how monotone his voice is.
  15. r u kidding me brah LC 13:57, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  16. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1 14:39, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Cyruny 19:38, February 13, 2012 (CET)
  18. Fang allies with Bahamut; Kain slays Bahamut, Wyvern/Dark Bahamut, and Lunar Bahamut. Fang can perform Highwind as a Full ATB Skill, once she learns how; Kain IS Highwind and can Jump on command. Fang uses bladed staves that all upgrade into Kain's Lance; Kain is that namesake, and his ultimate weapon can strike down even Brachioraidos. In short, no contest. Dogurasu 01:20, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  19. Kain looks and plays epically in Dissidia, not to mention he doesn't turn into a weird-looking tiger at the end of the game. :/ BlitzballArtTidus357 02:20, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Ujyl 06:14, February 15, 2012 (UTC) Kain is a Dragoon, Fang (terrible name btw) is just sorta like a dragoon, plus anything or anyone that comes from the same place as Vanille is highly frowned upon. Plus plus, anyone who likes XIII are people who've never played any other Final fantasy.
  21. Kain has a better developed character. Conflicted hero and secondary antagonist, torn between his love for Rosa and his loyalty to his best friend Cecil, and has a cool ending atop Mount Ordeals. MateusNamelink Dissicon ff2 Emp1 11:02, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  22. --Occuria Summoner: 17:47, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  23. No contest. FBike1 01:51, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Helmet over scruffy hair every day.Ultimecia82 02:05, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Cue fangirl drool...I love how Kain's hard and sarcastic exterior hide a quite frail side to him that is just adorable. Someone needs to just give the man a hug. *Holds out arms hopefully* Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 21:16, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Hard to decide but Kain`s got cooler armor.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite 13:20, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  27. Kain all the way! Not only is he a badass, but he looks the part too!FairClouds9 15:20, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Kain is a very deep character, even not being the main hero in NONE of the games he appears. And the line against Exdeath (mentioned below) it's just to epic. (oh, and he has Liam O'Brian's voice. 'nuff said.) 21:16, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Never played XIII, and Kain is my favorite Dissidia Duodecim character. Besides, I haven't really heard that much great about XIII.-- 11:13, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Just for Kain's line when he fights Exdeath in the Duodecim campaign203.118.161.181 04:27, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Go Go Kain! 02:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  5. It doesn't matter how many times he betrays me, Kain has a special place in my heart. 13:41, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Fang

  1.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 05:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  2. MystRay 05:15, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 16:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Now this is an extremely tough decision for me, since I love them both. But I decided to vote for Fang, because she's one of the few ladies in the series who is made entirely out of badass. --Miyuron 17:16, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Have a gay crush on Fang.Keltainentoukokuu 19:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I am also very gay for Fang. ----BlueHighwind 21:36, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  7. It's a close battle but I think my vote's gotta go for Fang.
  8. Kain's a jerk --Pzykosiz 09:41, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Rictisempra 21:42, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Not only do I just really dislike Kain, I adore Fang. She's my third favorite videogame character of all time and she is the closest to a canonically gay character this series has or probably ever will have. Fang deserves love as a dragoon, a woman, and just as a badass in general. Bahamut knows best 22:38, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  11. LegendCrystarium Crystal LightningAqua 00:45, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  12. This'll probably be a landslide in favor for Kain... so Fang needs this more! ^_^  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2 02:31, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I like Kain but I prefer Fang she's my favorite character from Final Fantasy 13 :33 --Hotdragon 295 16:48, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Aussie, Aussie Aussie, Fang, Fang, Fang! Biziorek 09:40, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Jimcloud 10:15, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  16. Fang must really enjoy the moment. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2 13:41, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
  17. For sure. --TeaTime 07:37, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Anyesha 09:09, February 17, 2012 (UTC) I really love her attitude!
  19. XIII. Nuff said. Also she is really cool - I would love to have her as a best friend. COOLAWITS ~TALK | YFC | XVI | DQFF~ 13:43, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
  20. She is SOOO awesome! And I love her voice and taunts!—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 09:53, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Her personality has grown on me. King of Noobs 22:35, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  22. As most of you know I could write a book on why Fang is better than Kain, but I'm just going to put my name here and say nothing else. AlVan 15:52, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. I just adore Fang. She's one of the best and strongest characters ever. And I love the way she does everything to protect Vanille. 18:17, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  2. The greatest character made by Square in the last 15 years? Of course! 21:52, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 11:58, February 16, 2012 (UTC) Massive badass tbh.
  4. For the accent! 20:01, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

"Have a gay crush on Fang." - *puts on the Jon Stewart voice* Go ooooooooooooooon. Doreiku Kuroofangu 20:35, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone wanna bet on how long this'll last? My money's on 24 hours. C A T U S E 06:04, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

A week. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:14, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

If only I could give a half-vote to both of them. It's impossible to choose one over the other. ZazComet 16:22, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Toss a coin, make fate decide.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 22:40, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 182 - Last Man Standing Round 3: Cecil Harvey v. Squall Leonhart

King Cecil
Dnc v
CECIL Harvey
Cecil defends his status with a narrow victory over Agrias. His next opponent is a man who's character is at once vaguely knightly as well as conflicted, Squall Leonhart. VICTOR
Cecil Harvey!

Votes for Cecil

  1. Cecil would leave Squall for dead.AaaaaTheNemesisx 13:42, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1 13:42, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Cyruny 16:19, February 2, 2012 (CET)
  4. He's prettier, I guess. ----BlueHighwind 17:17, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. While I like both, my vote goes for Cecil.CecilAxel 18:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. They're both good characters, but Cecil is far more outrageous~~ ZaFlareStar 20:32, 2nd February 2012, (GMT+2)
  7. Such a hard choice! Both amazing characters but I like Cecil a bit more and I definitively prefer FF4 to FF8, but I still like FF8.Kaintheflaminglancer 21:35, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Don't really mind Squall. He's not very cool until later in the game and he doesn't become that much better. Cecil's the same except he was okay from the start. I'll go with C-Man, 4's story wasn't all over the place and it doesn't have a shoddily developed romance.AnonyMan 22:46, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Cecil hands down.Dissidian 23:00, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Squall might be better in battle, but Cecil has by far the better personality. And not anywhere near as much Twilightesque romantic drivel. C A T U S E 00:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I don't understand the hate for Cecil. The fact that he can maintain his cool through betrayals and repeatedly forgive the actions of others (some in Mysidia never forgave him) makes him a strong character. On top of that, for combat purposes, Cecil is capable of taking on Odin alone and winning, when Odin fights back. (I've done it.) Finally, paladin into porn. Amusing and a nice twist to his otherwise holy character.Dogurasu 01:06, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  12. The half-lunarian paladin versus the guy with a gunblade who I must admit I know nothing about, outside of Dissidia? I would say Cecil would win. He seems to be far more powerful, and looks cooler. He also appears in the superior game series. Shade.Usher 01:53, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Cecil easily. Also TAY didn't SPIT on his redemption, spoilers. The creator brought back his darkness, he already overcame and defeated it, how is that an "apiphany" that he shouldn't have let it go?? Another thing is that people say that Cecil gets no more development after Mt. Ordeals. WRONG. PLAY THE GAME. He gets development in the form of Golbez, FuSoYa and his heritage ALL the way to the end of the game with his farewell to Golbez. So that's crap when people say that he only develops during the first half of the game.Tinks1 02:14, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Cecil.Balfran 06:02, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  15. He's still going strong, eh? Onto my reason; Cecil liked people from the start, unlike moody-pants to the right. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 11:17, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  16. My choise --Occuria Summoner: 13:15, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Lol leather jacket LC 17:26, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  18. I don't know why. --Leon95 17:51, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  19. I like them both but Cecil comes from a better game! KaiserPaladin 23:56, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  20. MMLN メーマウリアン 22:03, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Leon's all fur coats and belts. Where's the epic armour? Sheesh, what a fashionistah. ~_~ BlitzballArtTidus357 01:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  22. I voted against him in the last two fights (Agrias shoulda won, though :( ). I do love Squall and I think he's one of the best characters in the series, I think it'd be cool to see Cecil win 3 times consecutively. Plus I'm curious to see his next character portrait. Free bird 03:24, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  23. ケフカパラッツオ 04:51, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Korean Ranger Everything Cecil does is for others. never himself. squall to selfish.
  25. User:Ciccoslovakia Cecil proves himself as a real man, Squall is just a lonely teenager who can't fight without overpowered summons.
  26. I like Cecil better.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite 09:25, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
  27. Cecil took down a giant monster intent on destroying everything, Squall beat up an old lady, nuff said --Pzykosiz 23:56, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
  28. Cecil fights with honor and has lived to know light and dark. No doubt he can defeat a school boy. A prayer for justice in Cecil's name and may the light be with him! Sombersin 13:42, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Cecil would win hands down. You can't compare game mechanics from VIII with IV. Also for the person who said that Cecil gets more and more pathetic as IV goes on. I'd like to see you beat FFIV WITHOUT Cecil. Sure you could with Kain, Rydia, Rosa and Edge but when it comes down to it Cecil is BY FAR the best character overall to have in battle. You can't beat Zeromus with three characters at around level 60 unless Cecil and Rosa were in it. Also around level 70 Cecil and Rosa could take on Zeromus with just them two. Like I said beat IV with a three man group without Cecil and then we'll talk. Cecil is not only the best character from the game plot-wise but also best character in battle. Tl;dr, Cecil would wipe the floor with Squall's lame emo ass. 23:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. -- 04:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 13:13, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Cecil would destroy Squall in his DK form. In his paladin form Squall would just be obliterated in the matter of a few seconds. 22:18, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Squall

  1.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 13:29, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I just love how much of a douchbag he is early on in the game.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 13:34, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Jimcloud 14:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  4. While FAR from a FFVIII fanboy (in fact, it's one of my least favorite games of the series,) props must be given to the man who does his best for everyone while trying to do it alone. Also props for managing to remain sane while "traveling" with Bartz and Zidane. Plus, he has a cool father. King of Noobs 14:23, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Well this has more to deal with 1. In battle Cecil is the most pathetic and often completely useless character, Squall remains balanced throughout the game where Cecil becomes more and more pathetic as the game progresses (due to his lack of any strength, defense or useful abilities). Two; while Cecil has the better personality, Squall has Laguna...nuff said User:Sutebenukun/Sutebenukun 10:27, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. *fangirl squeal*Keltainentoukokuu 17:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Cecil would get his pansy ass kicked so ridiculously fast. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:14, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Squall is easily the best fighter in ff8; especially considering the damage potential of Renzokuken: Lionheart. Squall is also a very dynamic character who undergoes great change throughout the story of ff8. Cecil changes symbolically by becoming a Paladin; but his attitude is essentially the same from the beginning. Also, Cecil may have saved the blue planet and the moon(s), but Squall saved Earth for his time period; and for THE FUTURE. --Time Master 21:19, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. FFVIII is entirely built around the development of Squall. Discs 1-3 are a character examination, and it works. Cecil, meanwhile, only gets development in the first arc. Squall is a far more interesting character. ClixPsi 22:08, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10. LegendCrystarium Crystal LightningAqua 00:10, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Many people give Squall flak for being whiny and misuse of the "e-word", but he's a far deeper, better developed and more interesting character than people realize, as well as being a strong fighter. Cecil is also a strong fighter, but his path of personal redemption is heavily simplified and entirely forgotten once he becomes a Paladin, and The After Years further kinda spits on his redemption with the apiphany that he was wrong to cast off his darkness. So Squall gets my vote. Drake Clawfang (talk) 00:48, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Squall is badass with a badass weapon. Although I like Cecil, Squall would have the upper hand in a fight. Vercery 01:36, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Very tough choice. But I think I'll give Squall my vote. MateusNamelink Dissicon ff2 Emp1 05:25, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  14.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:50, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
  15. RadicalDreamer15 23:46, February 4, 2012 (UTC) Squall has a great personality that is deeply developed in his game.
  16. SomeDudE X 07:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)Squall. Need i say more?
  17. Don't get me wrong, I like Cecil... But I just can't dig the pally, girly looks, I'll take "brown" characters hair anyday. Razordash 23:12, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Love the gunblade! And i like Squall a lot --96ken(Talk) 17:45, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
  19. On pure character development (and not mechanics of gameplay) I think i preferred Squall. I found myself connecting with him much more than Cecil, and I think his reluctant nature to open up to his friends provided a central plot line for FFVIII. You're left wondering when he's going to crack open. A much better character portrayal than Cecil. Luacas 03:12, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
  20. HotTacos7 11:04, February 7, 2012 (UTC)Lets be honest. squall may be a bit goth, but cecil... has lipstick. PURPLE lipstick. i hafta stick with squall for this one.
  21. Tough one. Cecil is a great character, but I identified more with Squall while playing him. --TeaTime 04:23, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  22. squall rocks Biziorek 09:10, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Squall is the best character. He has the greatest arc, managing to recognize and reverse his personality flaws while also managing to be incredibly powerful and skilled. Squall is number one. Elleine 10:09, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Ok let me think ..... obviously squall!--Lunar-project 23:44, February 10, 2012 (UTC)Lunar-project
  25. Squall has Doomtrain. Manawah 10:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
  26. I was going to pull an Uatu, and stay out of the events within the coliseum from now on, but I cannot allow Cecil to overcome Squall if it within my power. Bahamut knows best 00:15, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. -- 11:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Anti Heroes are just so much cooler203.109.162.82 04:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)>
  3. 12:38, February 6, 2012 (UTC)Come on! Squall rocks! He may be really whiny in the beggining, but he changes and becomes a true hero!
  4. Cecil can go talk to a wall for all I care. This gunblade-slinging master is second to none. -- 21:06, February 6, 2012
  5. I'v personally taken this to be my responsiblity to discover who is ofically stronger. I tried to fight the last boss with just Cecil (best gear and at level 99) and died. I took Squall and screwed around with the junction system to get as close as i could to the same abilites (even the exact spells that Cecil has) and went one-on-one with the evil which and lasted untile that attack that brings you down to 1 HP and than got killed. Squall will always have my vote. 22:44, February 6, 2012 (UTC)(UTC)
  6. For all those who vote for Cecil, Squall says go talk to a wall:-) 02:45, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Squall is a much better warrior. He leads an elite military program, defeats a super-powered sorceress from the future, and like Chaos, from the original Final Fantasy, he finds a way to live forever through a time-loop, along with his friends and lady-love Rinoa. 03:52, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Squall all the way-- 08:17, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

I'm actually quite shocked at the current standing. Where are all you Squall fanboys/girls? King of Noobs 02:29, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Cecil will just stay in he contest for the entire year. Wouldn't that be something. ;)Keltainentoukokuu 02:57, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. :D Although fanboys will quickly trample him if he faces Cloud or a couple certain other characters I can think of *coughKefkacough*. C A T U S E 01:25, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
The overated ones as i like to call them, oh well i just hope Cecil wins just for the sake of it being third times the charm XD.AaaaaTheNemesisx 01:29, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
I love how Cecil just seems to be getting older as the fights go on. Maybe if he wins this one someone will have to do a fanart of him aged 50 or something. He'd still be beautiful ~ <3 Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 00:10, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
True, i was only just thinking earlier about what picture TA may have to use for Cecil in the next fight if he wins.AaaaaTheNemesisx 00:12, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I know this space isn't at all intended for Keltainentoukokuu's lolpinions but...eeh...I think it is very interesting to have a main character in a game like Final Fantasy through whom to explore issues of social anxiety. Something that is quite common, but not much seen in media, at least not in the form of the main protagonist in a "classic rags to riches hero story" (might be that I follow the wrong media though). Of course, there is the issue that as the player surrogate Squall must be able to communicate with people, so it is dressed as severe dislike of doing so rather than inability, but which he rationalises to himself as something he doesn't want anyway. My 2 gil.Keltainentoukokuu 04:44, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, that's deep. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 12:06, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I was tempted to vote for Cecil simply for the fact that I like Rosa and can't stand Rinoa. But perhaps you can't choose who you fall in love with (or who the programmer decides should be your love interest). --TeaTime 04:30, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Not to be a nag, but looking at the scores, isn't it a draw (counting anon vots as 1/2), so why does it say cecil wins?Balthierfan 21:53, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. How does Cecil win? Regardless of the anon's votes, just looking at the registered users, the margin of victory is less than 10%. --TeaTime 07:38, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
Because this is a Last Man Standing match, where we must have a winner. The draw rule is thrown out the window for these match types. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 16:10, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
And so the anon votes count for nothing? --TeaTime 05:12, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
Even with anon votes it's 30 to 30, Sqaull did not beat Cecil. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:28, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

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