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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.

The Rules, Briefly

Functionally, this is a popularity contest. You may vote for your favorite or whom you think would win in an competition between the two combatants that week. Failure to comply with these rules will likely result in your vote being removed up to being banned from participating in future fights.

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Fight 184: Kain Highwind v. Oerba Yun Fang

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File:Kainds.jpg
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Ff13-fang
VICTOR
Undecided 		Kain Highwind, Commander of the Dragoons of Baron, faces off against his female counterpart in Oerba Yun Fang, the commander of the Eidolon Bahamut. VICTOR
Undecided

Votes for Kain

  1. YAY FIRST VOTE! Kain is horribly broken if you know how to use him. And even if you don't, he's still awesome. C A T U S E 04:24, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  2. !DblJmp - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:32, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Kain Highwind's Jump was tuned down for his Dissidia appearances due to concerns it would cause the game to crash. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:37, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 04:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  5. AaaaaTheNemesisx 05:16, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  6. He's a more dynamic character than Fang. ClixPsi 05:18, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  7. This vote is not long for this world.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:52, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Would you not all be confused if i didn't vote for kain? Kaintheflaminglancer 16:43, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Is this meant to be a competition? Looks more like a faceroll to me. ZaFlareStar 20:28, 24th January, 2012 (GMT+2)
  10. Uh...hmm. I never understood people's absurd hard-on for Kain, or why they're convinced he's SUCH a BADASS, he's not. He's okay. But Fang has it worse because XIII has a terrible cast and she's no exception. She's like the only dragoon I would pick Kain over.AnonyMan 20:44, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  11. ケフカパラッツオ 21:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  12. As useful as Fang was in FFXIII battles, Kain is a better character. His repeated betrayals, and failure to join the party after Zeromus is defeated, really show his character development. Plus I used him to kill the weaker version of Feral Chaos in Duodecium. (haven't beat the stronger one... yet.) On the other hand, I found Fang's character somewhat lacking in depth. Also her survival, along with Vanille's was questionable at the end of ff13. Long story short, I think Kain is the superior character. --Time Master 21:33, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  13. I'll go with Kain, mostly because I never played FFXIII, but also because I loved FFIV--Xabryn 21:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  14. r u kidding me brah LC 13:57, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Never played XIII, and Kain is my favorite Dissidia Duodecim character. Besides, I haven't really heard that much great about XIII. --71.181.54.223 11:13, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Fang

  1.  NeoZEROX Dissicon ff6 Ter4 05:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  2. MystRay 05:15, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  3.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 16:48, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Now this is an extremely tough decision for me, since I love them both. But I decided to vote for Fang, because she's one of the few ladies in the series who is made entirely out of badass. --Miyuron 17:16, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Have a gay crush on Fang.Keltainentoukokuu 19:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I am also very gay for Fang. ----BlueHighwindツ 21:36, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  7. It's a close battle but I think my vote's gotta go for Fang.
  8. Kain's a jerk --Pzykosiz 09:41, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Rictisempra 21:42, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

--Contributions/ 19:44, January 24, 2012 (UTC) i have to vote for fang because of her strong will and power. Sure both Kain and Fang betrayed their respective parties, but Fang did it out of her own free will rather than be controlled by an unknown source and she did it for Vanille so props to you Fang

Peanut Gallery

"Have a gay crush on Fang." - *puts on the Jon Stewart voice* Go ooooooooooooooon. Doreiku Kuroofangu 20:35, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone wanna bet on how long this'll last? My money's on 24 hours. C A T U S E 06:04, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

A week. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:14, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 183 - Last Man Standing Round 3: Cecil Harvey v. Squall Leonhart

King Cecil
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File:Squall Leonhart character.jpg
LAST MAN STANDING
DEFENDING CHAMPION
CECIL Harvey
FINAL FANTASY IV 		Cecil defends his status with a narrow victory over Agrias. His next opponent is a man who's character is at once vaguely knightly as well as conflicted, Squall Leonhart. VICTOR
Cecil Harvey!

Votes for Cecil

  1. Cecil would leave Squall for dead.AaaaaTheNemesisx 13:42, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. オメガ Mk.XII Dissicon ff12 Vaan1 13:42, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Cyruny 16:19, February 2, 2012 (CET)
  4. He's prettier, I guess. ----BlueHighwindツ 17:17, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. While I like both, my vote goes for Cecil.CecilAxel 18:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. They're both good characters, but Cecil is far more outrageous~~ ZaFlareStar 20:32, 2nd February 2012, (GMT+2)
  7. Such a hard choice! Both amazing characters but I like Cecil a bit more and I definitively prefer FF4 to FF8, but I still like FF8.Kaintheflaminglancer 21:35, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Don't really mind Squall. He's not very cool until later in the game and he doesn't become that much better. Cecil's the same except he was okay from the start. I'll go with C-Man, 4's story wasn't all over the place and it doesn't have a shoddily developed romance.AnonyMan 22:46, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. Cecil hands down.Dissidian 23:00, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10. Squall might be better in battle, but Cecil has by far the better personality. And not anywhere near as much Twilightesque romantic drivel. C A T U S E 00:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  11. I don't understand the hate for Cecil. The fact that he can maintain his cool through betrayals and repeatedly forgive the actions of others (some in Mysidia never forgave him) makes him a strong character. On top of that, for combat purposes, Cecil is capable of taking on Odin alone and winning, when Odin fights back. (I've done it.) Finally, paladin into porn. Amusing and a nice twist to his otherwise holy character.Dogurasu 01:06, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  12. The half-lunarian paladin versus the guy with a gunblade who I must admit I know nothing about, outside of Dissidia? I would say Cecil would win. He seems to be far more powerful, and looks cooler. He also appears in the superior game series. Shade.Usher 01:53, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Cecil easily. Also TAY didn't SPIT on his redemption, spoilers. The creator brought back his darkness, he already overcame and defeated it, how is that an "apiphany" that he shouldn't have let it go?? Another thing is that people say that Cecil gets no more development after Mt. Ordeals. WRONG. PLAY THE GAME. He gets development in the form of Golbez, FuSoYa and his heritage ALL the way to the end of the game with his farewell to Golbez. So that's crap when people say that he only develops during the first half of the game.Tinks1 02:14, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  14. Cecil.Balfran 06:02, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  15. He's still going strong, eh? Onto my reason; Cecil liked people from the start, unlike moody-pants to the right. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 11:17, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  16. My choise --Occuria Summoner: 13:15, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Lol leather jacket LC 17:26, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  18. I don't know why. --Leon95 17:51, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  19. I like them both but Cecil comes from a better game! KaiserPaladin 23:56, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  20. MMLN メーマウリアン 22:03, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Leon's all fur coats and belts. Where's the epic armour? Sheesh, what a fashionistah. ~_~ BlitzballArtTidus357 01:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  22. I voted against him in the last two fights (Agrias shoulda won, though :( ). I do love Squall and I think he's one of the best characters in the series, I think it'd be cool to see Cecil win 3 times consecutively. Plus I'm curious to see his next character portrait. Free bird 03:24, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  23. ケフカパラッツオ 04:51, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Korean Ranger Everything Cecil does is for others. never himself. squall to selfish.
  25. User:Ciccoslovakia Cecil proves himself as a real man, Squall is just a lonely teenager who can't fight without overpowered summons.
  26. I like Cecil better.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite 09:25, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
  27. Cecil took down a giant monster intent on destroying everything, Squall beat up an old lady, nuff said --Pzykosiz 23:56, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
  28. Cecil fights with honor and has lived to know light and dark. No doubt he can defeat a school boy. A prayer for justice in Cecil's name and may the light be with him! Sombersin 13:42, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Cecil would win hands down. You can't compare game mechanics from VIII with IV. Also for the person who said that Cecil gets more and more pathetic as IV goes on. I'd like to see you beat FFIV WITHOUT Cecil. Sure you could with Kain, Rydia, Rosa and Edge but when it comes down to it Cecil is BY FAR the best character overall to have in battle. You can't beat Zeromus with three characters at around level 60 unless Cecil and Rosa were in it. Also around level 70 Cecil and Rosa could take on Zeromus with just them two. Like I said beat IV with a three man group without Cecil and then we'll talk. Cecil is not only the best character from the game plot-wise but also best character in battle. Tl;dr, Cecil would wipe the floor with Squall's lame emo ass.75.185.179.82 23:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. --121.121.59.237 04:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 188.123.237.112 13:13, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Cecil would destroy Squall in his DK form. In his paladin form Squall would just be obliterated in the matter of a few seconds.76.188.200.163 22:18, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Squall

  1.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 13:29, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I just love how much of a douchbag he is early on in the game.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 13:34, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Jimcloud 14:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  4. While FAR from a FFVIII fanboy (in fact, it's one of my least favorite games of the series,) props must be given to the man who does his best for everyone while trying to do it alone. Also props for managing to remain sane while "traveling" with Bartz and Zidane. Plus, he has a cool father. King of Noobs 14:23, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Well this has more to deal with 1. In battle Cecil is the most pathetic and often completely useless character, Squall remains balanced throughout the game where Cecil becomes more and more pathetic as the game progresses (due to his lack of any strength, defense or useful abilities). Two; while Cecil has the better personality, Squall has Laguna...nuff said User:Sutebenukun/Sutebenukun 10:27, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  6. *fangirl squeal*Keltainentoukokuu 17:10, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Cecil would get his pansy ass kicked so ridiculously fast. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 18:14, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Squall is easily the best fighter in ff8; especially considering the damage potential of Renzokuken: Lionheart. Squall is also a very dynamic character who undergoes great change throughout the story of ff8. Cecil changes symbolically by becoming a Paladin; but his attitude is essentially the same from the beginning. Also, Cecil may have saved the blue planet and the moon(s), but Squall saved Earth for his time period; and for THE FUTURE. --Time Master 21:19, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  9. FFVIII is entirely built around the development of Squall. Discs 1-3 are a character examination, and it works. Cecil, meanwhile, only gets development in the first arc. Squall is a far more interesting character. ClixPsi 22:08, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
  10. LegendCrystarium Crystal LightningAqua 00:10, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Many people give Squall flak for being whiny and misuse of the "e-word", but he's a far deeper, better developed and more interesting character than people realize, as well as being a strong fighter. Cecil is also a strong fighter, but his path of personal redemption is heavily simplified and entirely forgotten once he becomes a Paladin, and The After Years further kinda spits on his redemption with the apiphany that he was wrong to cast off his darkness. So Squall gets my vote. Drake Clawfang (talk) 00:48, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Squall is badass with a badass weapon. Although I like Cecil, Squall would have the upper hand in a fight. Vercery 01:36, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Very tough choice. But I think I'll give Squall my vote. MateusNamelink Dissicon ff2 Emp1 05:25, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  14.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 15:50, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
  15. RadicalDreamer15 23:46, February 4, 2012 (UTC) Squall has a great personality that is deeply developed in his game.
  16. SomeDudE X 07:09, February 5, 2012 (UTC)Squall. Need i say more?
  17. Don't get me wrong, I like Cecil... But I just can't dig the pally, girly looks, I'll take "brown" characters hair anyday. Razordash 23:12, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Love the gunblade! And i like Squall a lot --96ken(Talk) 17:45, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
  19. On pure character development (and not mechanics of gameplay) I think i preferred Squall. I found myself connecting with him much more than Cecil, and I think his reluctant nature to open up to his friends provided a central plot line for FFVIII. You're left wondering when he's going to crack open. A much better character portrayal than Cecil. Luacas 03:12, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
  20. HotTacos7 11:04, February 7, 2012 (UTC)Lets be honest. squall may be a bit goth, but cecil... has lipstick. PURPLE lipstick. i hafta stick with squall for this one.
  21. Tough one. Cecil is a great character, but I identified more with Squall while playing him. --TeaTime 04:23, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  22. squall rocks Biziorek 09:10, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Squall is the best character. He has the greatest arc, managing to recognize and reverse his personality flaws while also managing to be incredibly powerful and skilled. Squall is number one. Elleine 10:09, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Ok let me think ..... obviously squall!--Lunar-project 23:44, February 10, 2012 (UTC)Lunar-project
  25. Squall has Doomtrain. Manawah 10:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
  26. I was going to pull an Uatu, and stay out of the events within the coliseum from now on, but I cannot allow Cecil to overcome Squall if it within my power. Bahamut knows best 00:15, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. --71.168.79.137 11:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Anti Heroes are just so much cooler203.109.162.82 04:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)>
  3. 177.102.2.216 12:38, February 6, 2012 (UTC)Come on! Squall rocks! He may be really whiny in the beggining, but he changes and becomes a true hero!
  4. Cecil can go talk to a wall for all I care. This gunblade-slinging master is second to none. --68.197.28.242 21:06, February 6, 2012
  5. I'v personally taken this to be my responsiblity to discover who is ofically stronger. I tried to fight the last boss with just Cecil (best gear and at level 99) and died. I took Squall and screwed around with the junction system to get as close as i could to the same abilites (even the exact spells that Cecil has) and went one-on-one with the evil which and lasted untile that attack that brings you down to 1 HP and than got killed. Squall will always have my vote.68.65.33.50 22:44, February 6, 2012 (UTC)(UTC)
  6. For all those who vote for Cecil, Squall says go talk to a wall:-)203.118.174.234 02:45, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Squall is a much better warrior. He leads an elite military program, defeats a super-powered sorceress from the future, and like Chaos, from the original Final Fantasy, he finds a way to live forever through a time-loop, along with his friends and lady-love Rinoa. 76.172.162.207 03:52, February 11, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Squall all the way--66.189.104.203 08:17, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

I'm actually quite shocked at the current standing. Where are all you Squall fanboys/girls? King of Noobs 02:29, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Cecil will just stay in he contest for the entire year. Wouldn't that be something. ;)Keltainentoukokuu 02:57, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. :D Although fanboys will quickly trample him if he faces Cloud or a couple certain other characters I can think of *coughKefkacough*. C A T U S E 01:25, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
The overated ones as i like to call them, oh well i just hope Cecil wins just for the sake of it being third times the charm XD.AaaaaTheNemesisx 01:29, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
I love how Cecil just seems to be getting older as the fights go on. Maybe if he wins this one someone will have to do a fanart of him aged 50 or something. He'd still be beautiful ~ <3 Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 00:10, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
True, i was only just thinking earlier about what picture TA may have to use for Cecil in the next fight if he wins.AaaaaTheNemesisx 00:12, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I know this space isn't at all intended for Keltainentoukokuu's lolpinions but...eeh...I think it is very interesting to have a main character in a game like Final Fantasy through whom to explore issues of social anxiety. Something that is quite common, but not much seen in media, at least not in the form of the main protagonist in a "classic rags to riches hero story" (might be that I follow the wrong media though). Of course, there is the issue that as the player surrogate Squall must be able to communicate with people, so it is dressed as severe dislike of doing so rather than inability, but which he rationalises to himself as something he doesn't want anyway. My 2 gil.Keltainentoukokuu 04:44, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, that's deep. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 12:06, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I was tempted to vote for Cecil simply for the fact that I like Rosa and can't stand Rinoa. But perhaps you can't choose who you fall in love with (or who the programmer decides should be your love interest). --TeaTime 04:30, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 182 - Last Man Standing Round 2: Cecil Harvey v. Agrias Oaks

File:Cecil1ds.jpg
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Agrias
LAST MAN STANDING
DEFENDING CHAMPION
CECIL Harvey
FINAL FANTASY IV 		Cecil Harvey, Dark Knight turned Paladin, faces off against one of the only other Paladins in Final Fantasy to ever score a victory in the DNC, Agrias Oaks, hero of the War of the Lions! VICTOR
CECIL Harvey
FINAL FANTASY IV

Votes for Cecil

  1. Cecil redeemed himself from being a Dark Knight, he makes becomeing a Paladin that much better.AaaaaThe Nemesisx 00:41, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Lord Cecil Harvey went from Dark Knight to Paladin, forsaking his bloodstained past. He endured the betrayal of his closest friend and managed in the end to forgive his brother. He led his party throughout an epic quest to save his world from genocide. Agrias is skilled, but she just doesn't stand a chance Dogurasu 01:02, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Once again, Cecil is by far the better choice. Whoever Agrias is can't come close to Cecil's achievements. Not only did he save the world and the moon once, he did it again with his son almost two decades later. Only a true Paladin can accomplish those feats.--Time Master 03:21, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  4.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 04:31, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Mainstream > Spin-off. KaiserPaladin 06:55, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  6. THIS IS BARON! オメガ Mk.XII 09:25, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  7. I voted for him last time, and I'll do it again. That and I've never played Tactics...I really should. I feel like I'm missing out. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 12:55, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  8.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 18:07, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  9. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2 18:38, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  10. C-Dog. Agrias is a good character, but she fell off the face of the planet after she joins the party and just fades into the backround.AnonyMan 19:03, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  11. Cookies for the man who's not afraid to wear lipstick. Cecil, you girly man you! TidusTehSacrificer357 00:19, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Cecil redeems himself after destroying Mist by protecting Rydia with his life --Pzykosiz 00:58, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Cecil all the way man, he was a total BA. I might like Oaks, but I have no Playstation, hence, I've never played one of my favorite FF games (tactics). Firebat 02:32, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  14. CECIL NEEDS TO WIN!!! --User:KungKungKung (talk) 09:20, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Gotta vote Cecil here. Griever-Renzokuken 13:49, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  16. --Occuria Summoner 13:50,January 16 ,2012(UTC)
  17. Cecil all the way! who the heck is the other combatant? Primal Link 19:25, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Cecil for sure.CecilAxel 00:11, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  19. I'll admit to not having played either game, but I know more about Cecil MateusNamelink Dissicon ff2 Emp1 06:03, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  20. SomeDudE X 13:19, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  21.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 14:29, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Cecil may have been a great dark knight, but we can all tell that the paladin was a better path for him, he is kind, forgiving, brave, noble, but most of all loving, the true qualities of a paladin. Kaintheflaminglancer 16:20, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Rictisempra 19:34, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
  24. sΓΣamyGoreng 12:44, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Korean Ranger Cecil overcame everything, including himself. Therefore the win goes to he.
  26. RenoZellRikku 10:47, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  27. MMLN メーマウリアン 11:12, January 26, 2012 (UTC)
  28. I always liked a character like cecil. someone who can not stand by his actions as a dark knight, finally decided to become a paladin.Pronunciation 03:16, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
  29. Cthulhu will always vote for Cecil, regardless of the opposition (unless it is Cthulhu himself... or Bahamut.) --Thegreatcthulhu 01:11, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
  30. FF9 13:45, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
  31. Cecil is the best Paladin in the series hands down and one of the best characters in the series. Agrias's got nothin on him, though Tactics is awesome.Dissidian 21:28, January 31, 2012 (UTC)Dissidian
  32. Best protagonist in the series. Everything a leader should be.Boome2 21:35, January 31, 2012 (UTC)Boome2
  33. Kain's his best friend, nuff said.Tinks1 23:40, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
  34. Agrias is awesome but she's got nothin on Cecil.Balfran 23:48, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Because I played Tactics for less than an hour, and then stopped because I didn't like it at all, and because of Dissidia. --71.168.81.63 13:10, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  2. IV>>>>>TActics. THat's all. 141.0.8.34 10:43, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  3. COME ON CECIL!!! 2.102.151.3 16:04, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
  4. I'm going with the man with more makeup than all of Broadway, because I have no idea who the other is. --68.197.28.242 23:49, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
  5. 71.131.191.98 01:17, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
  6. CECIL75.185.179.82 01:00, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Agrias

  1. Partially a pity vote because nobody here plays Tactics for some reason, partially because if they had the same damage limit Agrias would beat Cecil every time.C A T U S E00:39, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Easily one of the best characters in FFT. She's not much of a character, but neither is Cecil. ...Yeah. ClixPsi 01:48, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Agrias beat Sephiroth. I am of the opinion that if Agrias loses to Cecil, then by that implication, Cecil is better than Sephiroth. This eventuality simply cannot be. Jimcloud 03:21, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Agrias is more awesome. ----BlueHighwindツ 04:44, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  5. I really can't decide. Free bird 08:59, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Came from a better game. LC 09:29, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  7. Clarent talk 09:51, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  8. Came to vote for the Tactics for once LegendCrystarium Crystal LightningAqua 10:19, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  9. I'm here to make this more even for Tactics, the best and most underrated Final Fantasy game. ZaFlareStar 16:24, January 16th, 2012 (GMT+2, screw UTC)
  10. I usually pretend that, whenever Agrias is on the field, she says, "F*ck you all. Divine Ruination." Mynameissora 14:46, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  11. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 18:31, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  12. umad that a Tactics character is beating you Cecil? huehuehue 8bit 18:55, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  13. Girls rule, boys drool! AmbieSushi 21:00, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  14. I found the game she is in to be far more enjoyable and strategic. One of my favorite games of all time. King of Noobs 21:10, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  15. This goes to Agrias because I never beated FFIV and because I'm a little addicted to Tactics (Master Lamington 18:52, January 17, 2012 (UTC))
  16. Just preference.. - Metusylc0304 09:43, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Not a big fan of Cecil in his Paladin form. --Miyuron 23:07, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
  18. BfD t/c 03:45, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
  19. --Leon95 22:10, January 21, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Her moveset is just so badass. --RAMUser talk:Ramallah 07:19, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  21. ケフカパラッツオ 20:20, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  22. I like Cecil and his abilities, but I just find Agrias better. Pikmin Master 22:29, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
  23. My vote comes for the one that was a Holy Knight since the beginning.Tacticsforever 12:57, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
  24. I agree with Catuse, if we fixed the damage limit, Cecil would be dead, for sure. Ananonperson 10:16, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
  25. Agrias is the most useful character in Tactics until Orlandeau is in the team. Her abilities and motive to follow Ramza in her journey are enough and cover all the personality issue. The only thing that makes Cecil more known is that his game is in the main series and he is the protagonist of FF IV, because if he was a secondary character like Agrias, almost nobody would ever remember him. The True Paladin 11:45, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
  26. Let's think about this for a moment; Cecil as a Paladin can do what? Barely protect someone due to his lack of any defense and use rather rudimentary healing and supportive abilities. What can Agrias do? Now let's look, she can stop people with an ice blade attack, instantly kill someone with divine wrath, silence her loud mouthed enemies with the bolt of Heaven, cause someone to want to repent their sins by dying with her sword of penance (split punch) and oh yeah, reign down the wrath of the Gods upon her enemies...no contest here Sutebenukun 12:00, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
  27. Warning: if you don't vote for her, she will destroy your mind with Divine Ruination!! Tidyunauron 00:50, January 30, 2012 (UTC)
  28. Bring my Garnet 10:15, February 01, 2012 (UTC)
  29. Tacticsrules 10:22, February 01, 2012 (UTC) Better vote for the best and most underrated FF game ever!
  30. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 12:34, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. I'm voting to show my love for Tactics.--155.69.203.1 03:29, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  2. While she gets very little character development, she's still a more versatile Paladin than Cecil, and Tactics was a great game to boot. 58.111.64.105 04:42, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  3. 76.172.162.207 16:33, January 16, 2012 (UTC) Agrias may not have been as central to the plot of Tactics, after Delita takes Ovelia, but she definitly kicks butt. I'm voting for her because the Lucavi are a heck of a lot scarier than Zeromus. All Hail ULTIMA! MUJAJAJA
  4. 130.113.125.14 17:02, January 18, 2012 (UTC) I like them both but I'll go for the one I like a bit more.
  5. 192.168.7.1 10:10, January 20, 2012 (UTC) Agrias should be on Dissidia 012 too, as well as Ramza should have been called to the original Dissidia.
  6. Love Agrias. Wonderful character. 204.185.144.211 14:37, January 20, 2012 (UTC)
  7. 192.168.25.1 19:14, January 20, 2012 (UTC) Gotta vote for the best Final Fantasy ever!
  8. 10.1.1.1 9:44, January 21, 2012 (UTC) GO,go,go,Agrias!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  9. 192.7.1.1 10:08, January 27, 2012 (UTC) If Agrias were as powerful as Orlandu, she would resemble Beatrix, and I love her so much!!!
  10. 68.12.143.207 02:39, January 28, 2012 (UTC) Tactics is one of my favorite games.
  11. 143.45.7.133 12:00, January 28, 2012 (UTC) I think Cecil should have stayed as a Dark Knight.:)
  12. 154.122.174.18 10:20, February 01, 2012 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

@Dogu: Nah, she doesn't stand a chance because people never played Tactics. Oh, and sign your votes this time, all ye anonymous users! :DC A T U S E01:05, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

I always felt like...Agrias has just hardly any personality. Her whole character is that she is a female knight, which is just a bit more novel than having a male knight. If she was a male knight and still said and did all the same things, no one would remember this character.Keltainentoukokuu 03:36, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Now, let's be fair here, that's sort of calling the kettle black. Cecil's personality is basically the same as Agrias's, in that it is transparent and vaguely knightly. The only difference is that he happens to be the protagonist of his story, and he kind of has to be redeemed before he can parade around with the same attitude as her. Also, Agrias's personality is kind of novel in FFT, where she is one of like 10 named characters who will not betray or attack you in pursuit of their own goals. Jimcloud 03:49, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
I guess when I said personality I didn't mean the person's actual personality. More like when you say that...house has personality or something. I don't have any strong feelings toward Cecil, but he's alright. He's the typical knight archetype but they add some conflict in his story to bring out different sides of him.Keltainentoukokuu 03:58, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

So I was wrong. Agrias is winning after all.C A T U S E17:06, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ditto, I expected Cecil to dominate like he did in the last round, but its good to see that I'm one of many Agrias fans! Must there be a winner in these Last Man Standing duels? What would happen in case of a tie? Free bird 20:46, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
Probably it can only tie if the two have an exact equal amount of points in the end, and that isn't gonna happen.C A T U S E22:15, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

This is the biggest Peanut Gallery I've never seen. So I'm one of the main culprits at making it so big, but...C A T U S E22:15, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Now that's just depressing. The DNC used to be better than this.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 23:15, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, there was one bigger back at the top of Archive XVIII (Which, curiously, is not on the template at the bottom, no idea why), which was, what, last August? And one that trounces both of them from back in April. Jimcloud 23:25, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ooooooh it's a tie at the moment, i was expecting this to be a landslide in Cecil's favour, well i guess it just goes to show that he was more bad arse as a Dark Knight XD.AaaaaThe Nemesisx 13:37, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Scratch that, the tie has been broken, Cecil is winning once again.AaaaaThe Nemesisx 14:06, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

If I did my DNC math correct, it's Cecil:27 to Agrias:25. I'm amazed she's doing so well, to be perfectly honest. The Tactics series isn't as well liked as some others. King of Noobs 14:15, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Its actually tied once again, if you count all the signed anon votes both of them come up as 29 each way, damn it people, vote for Cecil XD.AaaaaTheNemesisx 14:18, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, the anonymous votes each count as one-half a vote (last I checked); thus, Cecil is in the lead by two. Dogurasu 16:09, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
They're pretty close together, so I think they're tied by the 10% clause. C A T U S E 23:08, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
Now they're both at 28. I wonder how this'll end, since this is a "Last 'Man' Standing" contest. King of Noobs 14:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

(TA will probably get ticked that I'm writing this, but to be frank, I'm gonna bet anons have no idea what are going on): The DNC is currently in a state of flux, without all its ducks in a row as far as management and the like is. So if you see the DNC changing from one fight to another, that's why. C A T U S E 00:33, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

So much back-and-forth in this fight. One moment, Cecil has the lead. Next time I check, Agrias has taken control. Next moment, it's back to Cecil. Good fight, we could do with more of these than the one-sided ones. King of Noobs 05:42, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Methinks more than a few of these last voters are socks. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 06:16, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Fight 181 - Last Man Standing Round 1:Leon v. Cecil Harvey

Leon
 Dnc v
Cecil
LAST MAN STANDING
DEFENDING CHAMPION
N / A 		It would only make sense that the first two combatants would be the first two from the DNC's original format: Leon and Cecil Harvey, two early Dark Knights from the series. Who will prevail to fight on in Round 2! VICTOR
Cecil Harvey

Votes for Leon

  1. I have never liked Cecil. ClixPsi 05:33, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I love Cecil, unquestionably one of the most endearing protagonists in the series, but I hafta put my vote in for the original Dark Knight! Free bird 06:23, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  3. I'm voting for the one that waits more than ten minutes to cease being a dark knight. Master Conjurer 23:41, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  4. Cecil's Good but Leon should take this one, from heving his home destroyed, he was able to take over and command an army --Pzykosiz 00:52, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
  5. Leon was the first in a long glorious tradition of Darth Vader copies in Final Fantasy. ----BlueHighwindツ 01:18, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
  6. I'll go ahead and give Leon some love since he doesn't seem to be getting much. I wasn't all that impressed with IV, for all the hype I hear for it. Lord Knight Xiron 03:34, January 7, 2012 (UTC)Lord Knight Xiron
  7. Hail to the original Dark Knight. --RAMUser talk:Ramallah 11:08, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

Cecil for Sure #68.186.92.174 00:17, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Votes for Cecil

  1. I dunno what Last Man Standing is, but I do know that Cecil is a much better character.C A T U S E00:04, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  2. Tru that.. LegendCrystarium Crystal LightningAqua 00:28, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  3. Cecil is the better character overall.AaaaaThe Netherealm awaits for you 00:36, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  4. The armor, man. Can't be a proper Dark Knight without the right armor! King of Noobs 02:57, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  5.  < Kamikaze Pardee > 03:47, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  6. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:36, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  7. オメガ Mk.XII 05:58, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  8. MateusNamelink Dissicon ff2 Emp1 06:12, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  9.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 06:50, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  10. --Occuria Summoner 18:40,January 1 ,2012(UTC)
  11. I have played to the end both Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy II, and I can say for sure, Cecil has more integrity, is more honorable, has better values, and more loyal to his friends and family than Leon.CecilAxel 21:28, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
  12. Cecil easy. Though all the 4th party members in FFII were much cooler than the main 3, Leon wasn't since he's the original real 4th and thus, just as boring as Firion, Maria and Guy.AnonyMan 04:15, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  13. The story of his redemption is sad but touching. Mierna 05:23, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  14. I do love Cecil when he's a Dark Knight. --Miyuron 07:39, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  15. Are You Serious! Is this a Joke? And what is this "Last Man Standing Thing"? I hope that this wouldn't go on for 2 months like the last poll did! Anyways Cecil FTW! KaiserPaladin 08:34, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  16. I like Leon and all but Cecil will outrank him in every way for me, he's my favorite dissidia character and since ff4 was the first ff i finished it has to be Cecil for me Kaintheflaminglancer 10:50, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  17. Cecil, certainly. Not only the first to bear the Darkside power that became a Dark Knight staple, but also a noble knight in his own right. Dogurasu 12:06, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  18. Another obvious winner. *sigh* LC 23:29, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
  19. I'm not into Cecil, but if it is about "Dark Knights" unfortunatelly Leon did "nothing" that is of the Dark Knights we know about. --BGMaxie 00:01, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
  20. Cecil will always be Cthulhu's favorite. --Thegreatcthulhu 03:00, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
  21. Is it wrong that I have a fangirl crush on this gorgeous, gorgeous man? Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 13:56, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
  22. Too easy... Dissidia 012 ChaosCoolawitsDissidia 012 Cosmos 21:30, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
  23. Cecil is greater than Leon for numerous reasons; including becoming something greater than a Dark Knight, and not betraying the party to an evil ruler. Also, He was the character I used to kill Chaos in the original Dissidia. There is no contest here. --Time Master 00:59, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
  24. Light and Dark; Virtue and Sin.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 01:23, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
  25. My FFII keeps stuffing up and I've never played as Leon before. Plus FFIV is pretty awesome anyway! KungKungKung 07:02, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
  26. http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x333/KujaFFIX/2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 15:44, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
  27. I dislike Leon because he was actually stupid enough to try to displace Emperor Mateus as the supreme ruler of Palamecia and failed. Go Cecil! --Marael 21:21, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
  28. I like cecil and also leon...but i have to give more credit to cecil because leon doesnt appear in the whole ff2 until the end....all the hardwork was for firion,guy and maria...and i think minwu,josef,gordon or ricard were better party members than he was.--Lunar-project 01:20, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
  29. SomeDudE X 12:21, January 8, 2012 (UTC) Even tho Leon came before Cecil, cecil will always be the original dark knight in my opinion. SomeDudE X 20:20, January 8, 2012
  30. HotTacos7 02:23, January 9, 2012 (UTC) No offence to Leon, but Cecil had much more development and you don't get him in the last quarter of the game
  31. MystRay 01:50, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. To the sky! Blinking Blade! --68.197.28.242 00:40, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
  2. I like Cecil. --76.127.234.7 23:01, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
  3. We love you, Cecil 2.101.177.74 15:44, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
  4. 88.151.27.228 17:38, January 11, 2012 (UTC) Going to have to vote for Cecil. Besides, He is the main character in his game, unlike Leon. Leon is like the Bakura of his game (if anyone gets the reference to a certain anime parody I will be very happy : D )

Peanut Gallery

Landslide, Cecil is so gona win.AaaaaThe Nemesisx 15:05, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Enter all the Leon fans with a resounding chorus of CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. Tia-LewiseRydia - Young battle 15:13, January 4, 2012 (UTC) XD.AaaaaThe Nemesisx 22:39, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Personally I wonder if the inclination towards Cecil is because FFII is (comparatively) more obscure than FFIV. I could be wrong. Luacas 11:02, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'll agree to that. I grew up thinking FFIV WAS FFII, until I got my hands on Dawn of Souls. King of Noobs 03:04, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

'daaaaaw. This isn't gonna run late again, is it? D: C A T U S E04:26, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Just a heads up voters. I'm afraid all unsigned votes and votes in the wrong place will need to be removed. You can vote again, only please make sure to sign it. :)Keltainentoukokuu 19:28, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

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