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Fight 177: Llednar Twem v. Beatrix

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Two (sometimes) antagonistic knights, both of them kind of powerful when you meet them. Question is, if you could have them on your team (and keep them), which would you prefer. WINNER!
Undecided

Votes for Llednar Twem

  1. I don't often make pity votes, but since I might be one of the few who actually knows who Llednar is... <_< FFTA was my first FF anyway, so I would never have been introduced to the lovely Beatrix if Mewt's alter ego hadn't come along first. 8bit 01:41, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  2. I'm a greater fan of Tactics than I know. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:06, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Llednar!!! :D Hey, guys, no hate on Llednar just 'cause you don't know him. Mynameissora 12:17, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

Votes for Beatrix

  1. This is a joke, rightAlVan 23:23, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
  2. While I must say that Llednar is an incredible enemy, I just can not bring me to vote against my fair Rose of May. Sorry Llednar, but the lady here is just too though for you to beat. MirrorshardSceada 23:25, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Beatrix is one of the greatest characters from my favourite game; for me, this is not a difficult decision. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 23:50, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Beatrix had a bit of character development along with being in a better game. You can never win against her in a fight because she is very strong and she is also more beautiful than Llendar's handsomeness. Overall she is a strong paladin with a strong heart, and ends up doing what is right.CecilAxel 00:02, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  5.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 00:20, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Am I high?  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 00:23, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  7. While I don't dislike Llednar, this fight is... rather out of it.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 01:18, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Ujyl 01:22, August 8, 2011 (UTC) Llednar who?
  9. I actually disliked Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, even though I loved Tactics and Tactics A2. Weird, huh? King of Noobs 02:11, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Llendar is the lord of douches. - Henryacores^ 03:13, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  11. You're kidding right? No competition... Vercery 3:24, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Beatrix is one of the best characters from IX, hands down, which has one of the best casts from the series. MystRay
  13. To her, you're all insects! she will crush you and your delusions of Grandeur, you shall fall before her mighty stock break. otherwise...have a nice day! :) Razordash 13:12, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
  14. HAHAHA, seriously. LC 16:11, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

Peanut Gallery

Week 176: The Emperor v. Galenth Dysley

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WINNER!
The Emperor
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You are Nick Machiavelli. You wrote a book about some royal son. A lot of people thought you were a real jerk for it, but two notable leaders both read it: The Emperor and Galenth Dysley. Their empires are about to clash. Their forces, while different, offer them no true advantage of the other. In military might and economic strength they are equals, but they are ruled by two very different men. Who embodies the cunning, the wisdom, and the necessary duplicity to win? WINNER!
The Emperor
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Votes for The Emperor

  1. Cool, my fight got in! Anyway, I'm voting for the Emperor because it took several cities worth of resistance to finally take him and his army down. And when you think he is finally gone... BOOM he comes back and is stronger than ever! He also destroyed several cities and killed multiple playable characters. (even if it was indirectly). Finally, it took the Ultimate magic and the protagonists journey to "heck" to take him down for good. Dysley may have been fought multiple times, but he died before the last boss. The Emperor IS the last boss of FF2. Dysley may have indirectly killed many people though the Purge, but no cities were destroyed. His actions ALMOST destroyed Cocoon, but were ultimately unsuccessful. Also it took the combined might of many to form the resistance that took down the Emperor, but Dysley was stopped by six Pulse L'cie. I think Dysley is a powerful antagonist, but the Emperor beats him here. Also, I feel like Emperor Mateus is going to need the votes. --Time Master 01:01, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  2. He goes to hell, beats up Satan, and becomes the emperor of Hell in an instant. Soon enough, he raises Pandaemonium onto the surface, and this is like, all, in the last three-four hours of gameplay. Before this party gets started he's busy taking out the rest of the world, laying three kingdoms and three small villages to waste in his wake. He ordered the construction of an airship which eliminated large amounts of the population in four towns, and devised cunning plans, such as poisoning the water for the Wyverns. He's a bit gruesome and cruel, but it's clear that this is what leads him to victory against anything that isn't a playable character. --InsanityBringer 02:08, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  3.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2 02:22, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Meh.Dogurasu 05:18, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  5. The Emperor is a vicious, heartless, merciless, cunning bastard you want to stab in the eye. Simply put he is an amazing villain, probably one of the best in all FF games, despite his pretty cliched motive.. theWOL 14:38, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  6. What's with the damn long explanations? LC 10:10, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  7. I wasn't really sure which one I'd vote for, but after reading the comments on this side I was pretty much convinced.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 10:55, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  8. I may love the Superpope, but I refuse to vote against my Dissidia 012 Main. To be so manipulative... it's a thing of beauty, you know. King of Noobs 13:12, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  9. Kaintheflaminglancer 15:55, July 6, 2011 (UTC)The Emperor mainly for his Dissidia play-style, I'm bad with most of the Chaos allies but he is my favorite.
  10. --LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon 16:55, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Ok, I will be honest: I've not played the 13th game yet, and I don't know the old guy at all, and his look doesn't impress me so much, but I DO know the Emperor, and he is one of my favourite characters! Really! I mean, look at him! His design: That gold armor with an extreme purple robe! Classic High heels, (This was a basic wear for men in the XVII-XVIII Century!), and that hair, well, I know that was a inspired by David Bowie, but Amano redesigned it so much better, with those cool horns (What is probably a part of a his headgear or crown!), and his personality, his cold cruelity dressed in fine elegance, Everything is so well designed on him! In Dissidia he is also one of my favourites, and even in the main game, he rocked. His story was great! One thing I've never really understood about him, is that he was looking for world domination. If he could have been the ruler, he was satisfied, then why did not the rebel army surrender to him, and the story could have ended much faster, without so much good guy's death! (Ummm, maybe I'm not completely right about the story, but did he want to create a demonic world for only himself? Ok... If someone knows, just tell me!:-D). Ok... i wrote enough words already...One more thing: I know that it's not fair to give vote for someone, just because you don't know the other, but I'm sure, that THE EMPEROR, THE MAIN VILLAIN OF FINAL FANTASY II is much more powerful, than an old gramps' dressed into the outfit of a dransgender pope... so this fight will end with the EMPERORS ABSOLUTE DOMINION! Every hail the EMPEROR! --Lonely Wild Rose Rose 17:23, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  12. MMLN メーマウリアン 18:03, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  13. CecilAxel I liked him WAY better than Galenth 18:43, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  14. He became the ruler of hell, isn't that enough to show his dominance? NeoExdeath 19:07, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Vercery 19:19, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  16. The Emperor is my favourite non-IX character; he is one of the best villains in fiction, let alone FF. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 19:43, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Holy Enormous Votes --BiggsandWedge 21:15, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  18. The Emp. has like no characterization in FFII but as far as villainous feats go, he's hard to top. He's on the verge of total domination all through the game from the get-go and when he bites the big one he comes back better than ever, after taking over other planes of existence. Also gotta love the crazy, abstract and majestic Amano art. His faces may be weird but the art itself is always interesting. AnonyMan 22:03, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  19. I hate the Emperor with a burning passion, however even I know that he's a BAMF and this Galenth can kiss his ass because it's sooo obvious that the Emperor is going to win. --Marael 23:36, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  20. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:18, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
  21. I adore Mateus as a villain. He is far too underrated in the fandom, much like FFII.--ClixPsi 04:02, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
  22. Ujyl 11:13, July 7, 2011 (UTC) Galenth can't even conquer Cocoon. Mateus ruled both Heaven and Hell.
  23. He dis conquer both Hell and the realm of Fallen angels( Dis he conquer all of Heaven). I am suprised he did'nt use that in a speech. "And by the way, I defeated the Devil!" Thumbs up for a Full-Four Heroes type remake of FFII.-I'm the King of Wonderland, Sultan of Oz, and The Mooglelord, Mwahahahahahaha! 18:09, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
  24. Emperor is still a pushover. SidVI 13:30, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
  25. This guy rocks!!! Chaos got the last laugh!!! Jude the Dude 14:32, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
  26. Emperor Matteus kicks ass Pzykosiz 03:00, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Sunano 07:02, July 9, 2011 (UTC) No Freakin' way I'm voting for a guy that got beaten by Vanille! >:U
  28. My vote goes to the Emperor of Hell Maykite 07:42, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
  29. Read the votes above, I've got nothing more to say. My vote goes to Emperor Mateus of Palamecia. - Metusylc0304 12:41, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
  30. He went to hell... overthrew the Devil and became the new devil. Nothing can top that as a villain. I mean. (To quote the Nostalgia Critic from his top Disney Villain countdown: HE'S THE DEVIL! Every villain in existence looks up to him wishing they were as evil as him. How much better of a villain can you get?) Moogleknight24 16:36, July 9, 2011 (UTC)Moogleknight24
  31. Ujyl 09:31, July 12, 2011 (UTC) Innosense 01:12, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
  32. ---- Omega Mk.XII 08:46, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
  33. I love a good classic, and Mateus is your classic, egotistic, power-hungry tyrant.Mynameissora 13:00, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
  34. He is a cooler guy President Rufus Shinra 15:00, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
  35. He is by far my favourite villain having seeing all of them together in Dissidia. He is also by a lot, the brains behind the whole Chaos team, a true schemer, very intelligent, and enjoyable to play as well (God blesses Square for making him better in 012). Also his japanese voice actor is one of my favourites and suitable for the villain role such as this one. :P --BGMaxie 04:16, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
  36. Emperor is better... nuff said.--Mrmike336 14:35, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
  37. Emperor is so much sexier than Dysley. Plus, he has a snake on his head. A SNAKE ON HIS HEAD. I guess he also did that whole "conquering both heaven and hell" thing. DRevan64 6:56, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
  38. Both of these characters are insufferably boring. Just evil to be evil, its stupid. Galenth especially is stupid, because his evil requires that he dies. But I'll vote Emperor because he at least didn't kill a far more interesting villain. --BlueHighwind 18:52, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
  39. They both suck Yuffie2211
  40. Just by owning a title like this, "The Emperor" for sure wins! 10:34, July 20, 2011
  41. The Emperor conquered hell, which is pretty awesome. TheKingOfHearts 12:37, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
  42. The Emperor is smart, and conquered The two religious afterworlds. Plus he has cool battle music. IkariCojehn 8:57, July 26, 2011 (EST)
  43. Well, I'm biased toward the Emperor because he's the main villian and I prefer FF2 over FF13. SORRY! Catuse167 22:28, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
  44. Who conquers the hell and Heaven in the same History? Only the Emperor Mateus
  45. go emperor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  46. Uboar! Onionknight23
  47. He´s good looking, younger and worse than Dysley... Votes for Emperor....
  48. He's in Dissidia. Nuf Said. Coolawits 13:35, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
  49. Evil Emperor is better than Evil Pope. Aracnapack   (Talk/ Contributions) 16:57, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Ok. I like FFXIII and I enjoy Galenth Dysley but he's up against the Emperor. The ruler of Palamecia. The guy who almost single-handedly crushed the Fynn resistance if it weren't for Firion and his buddies. And then, what happens when Firion kills him? He comes back from fucking Hell. One of the coolest FF antagonists of all time (topped only by Kefka and Kuja).
  2. Meh, the whole "mocking religious officials" thing got old after FFX. #66.184.78.6 16:41, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  3. The Emperor is simply amazing, in his character, design, and battle style. I never got to play XIII, but just looking at the old guy already annoys me. The Emperor FTW.
  4. One of my favourite FF villains..right behind Sephiroth and Kuja..--121.121.59.166 09:50, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Superpope is a terrible character, his whole plot is to destroy the world, including him, so the maker will come along again, remake and then leave again, completely pointless, im not a huge emperor fan although he is a good character, but i hated XIII and this guy is one of the main reasons. Jihl Nabaat seemed awesome in the trailers, they should have used her voice and design as a more serious antagonist, not superpope, since he is a pope Hope is the only character to have any real reason to fear him....--121.121.56.13 09:27, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
  6. 65.75.234.2 00:24, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
  7. The other guy is called the "Superpope". "Super" says how great he thinks he is, and "pope" reminds of some old guy in real life. I automatically dislike that sad excuse for an antagonist.
  8. Emperor, for sure. Everythinf in FFXIII sucks, the antagonist included, and Emperor was, like, the first FF villain with true personality. Also, in Dissidia, he really takes the spotlight, so my vote goes to him.
  9. Emperor, because he actually succeeded in his plans. Plus, he's like the David Bowie of Dissidia.
  10. He overthrew Satan and conquered HELL ITSELF. That deserves a vote. Also, go old-school Final Fantasy games!--50.50.198.126 19:25, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
  11. His pages are longer than the other one--114.79.51.88 3:33, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Run Amok!
  13. 137.118.232.188 11:08, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Votes for Galenth Dysley

  1. Koharu Nami 00:53, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  2. DuhAlVan 02:00, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  3. I always thought Dysley was inspired by Machi. SquallRocks 06:28, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Yeah, Duh. Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 06:37, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  5. This man created a web of lies so magnificient, only he himself still knew what was the truth. This feat is beyond impressive, and deserves all my respect. MirrorshardSceada 08:26, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  6. An Empire ruled by a Monster in Disguise without even realising. That takes skill. My vote goes to the Superpope.Balthierfan 12:22, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  7. This villain runs the show. He probably planned for this battle to happen because it secretly furthers his own designs.  Armageddon11! Dissicon ff12 Gab2 16:15, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  8. How the hell could Dysley be losing? He is pretty bad ass and I really like his poetic-style speech. He f*ckin' planned pretty much everything that happened in FFXIII --RazielZero 22:23, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
  9. The scene when Dysley first transforms into Bartandelus is immense. You just have to see the look on the party's faces to know that. It's great how he shows up to antagonise the heroes in the most odd of ways (posing as Serah) and deserves a vote. --Lagunazan 01:53, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
  10. I don`t like any of them but FFXIII is better than FFII VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite
  11.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 13:27, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Yay battle theme! --Kotoryuu 06:12, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
  13. DFF Cosmos Piece The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece 20:02, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
  14. SUPERPOPE! RenoZellRikku 00:27, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Gonna cheer for the inevitable loser. But really, this guy's tactical mind and ability to predict people's actions is better than Lelouch's. He also partially got what he wanted in the end. Makoenergy99 22:38, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Goo Rayder 10:38, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
  17. The Emperor has gotten WAAAAYY too popular because of Dissidia. I do love him and I have actually played Final Fantasy II, unlike these newcomers. And Dysley actually nurtured your party throughout the game albeit only for a reason. Also, I didn't get to vote for him before because he was against Seymour. So Dysley, here you go. --Gunji 11:49, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
  18. It took every ounce of restraint not to vote for the Emperor but i can't not support a villain who has the nickname of "Robo-Pope"- HereticDante 16 july
  19. Go SuperPope! One of the best villains from recent Final Fantasy. I only know the Emperor from the Dissidia games so far. I haven't played my copy of II yet. MystRay 17:01, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
  20. Super Pope. For the win. Super Pope. Super Pope. Not crazy Emperor freaky Cross-Dressing freaky face. Just, Super pope. XxGuado_SeymourxX 11:26, July 20, 2011 (UTC 10+)
  21. While I tended to like playing II more than XIII (though neither are my favorites), I must say that in terms of villainy, Dysley is far greater. The man has the tactical prowess of ages. His lies and control over any situation at a given time is enviable of any leader quite frankly. In terms of Mr. Machiavelli's book (great read, I recommend to any megalomaniac), Dysley pulls off the nicer side of a ruler like no other, while also maintaining his his crueler side through pure manipulation. The Emperor simply could not do this. He held all the charisma of a wet fish in comparison as all he used was raw power to take control. Furthermore he used fear, something that will only result in revolt, as we clearly saw Leon attempt to take power immediately afterward. With Dysley this is not the case; his subjects love him as their beloved Super Papa. They wouldn't die for him out of fear, but out of devotion. And what does he plan to do with said devotion? Use it to cause their eventual destruction. It takes far more gaul to treat those below you with love, protection, and what passes as kindness, only to throw it all away the minute they least expect it. Dysley is a man that will call a child over to help it, set it up with a grand future, and help it along, and then stab it in the back (literally) with a false hug somewhere down the line. To gain such standing in any society and not be seen at all for what a wolf in sheep's clothing he is. What's more, he's managed to get away with it for well over 500 years. He's likely taken the guise of many people throughout his long life, growing to become loved for protecting his people time and time again. This is true, effective villainy AND Machiavellian principles of how one may gain power and hold it. Such a man should not be ignored, better yet kept an eye on... -User:Durmer Darc 22:33, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
  22. I haven't played many of the FF Games, but I know a lot about them. And I think that Dysley is the best villain in the series. Everything I could say has already been said by those above me, and much more. A.J. two (Smashboards) 03:07, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
  23. I liked Super Pope. He's got nice manicure. --Miyuron 19:51, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
  24. 74.137.71.51 04:34, July 31, 2011 (UTC) Superpope. The Emporer is prideful, even if he's cunning. He is also arrogant. Superpope, however, had the undying adoration of the very people he wished to sacrifice. There little dissent, save for a few L'Cie. It's likely that if there was a war, Dysley would have another Fal'Cie replace him for a while, gain the trust of the Emperor, then lead him to his ruination. Then he takes the reigns of Cocoon back.
  25. Rictisempra 16:58, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Dysley probably already planned for this fight years ago, he probably is using to stage another fight. Hes just crafty like that.
  2. Just because I think the Emperor will demolish him, I swear myself to the superpope. Plus he has a rocking battle theme!99.8.208.198 08:24, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Transformers, Primarchs in disguise! #58.106.45.2 09:59, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
  4. four reasons,

1. He is awesome 2. he has an epic battle theme 3. He deceived everyone! he so good at that sort of thing he probably is controlling the DNC right now. 4. The emporer is a direct takeoff from Star Wars, and that's just lazy!

5. Quick fact at the beginning of the game dysley already controls cocoon whereas emperor mateus is still on his quest to control it 6. I have played all the final fantasy games and i think all of them are fantastic, so i can't give my vote to any of them only becouse i prefer one of the games or any of the character. So i'm going to be realistic. First of all it must be mentioned that Cocoon is much more advanced technologycaly than Palamecia and the Emperors soldiers have nothing to do against PSICOM. And about a fight between them it's the same. The Emperor can be evolved into a kind of demon or something like that, but on the battles of the main characters of each game and them, Lightning and her group have more difficulties to defeat Dysley than Firion and his group had to defeat the Emperor, and i must not say that Lightning is much powerful than any other main character of the series becouse she and the members of her group can spell 6 magics or habilities on the same move and others only 2 or 3 by using the doubble or tripple habilities. What i want to say is that any other Final Fantasy Hero like Cloud, Squall, Tidus or even Firion could not defeat him. Finally i want to apologize if my english isn't so good becouse i'm spanish and i'm learning english yet.

7. Vote for this guy, I just love to hate him.

8. He created a pseudo-moon, nurtured it for 500 years, and got the loyalty of everyone on it just to destroy the whole thing in the end. It's hard to top that.

9. Dysley FTW.

  1. A man who can lie like that deserves admiration, GO SUPERPOPE!2.102.244.82 16:45, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

I think FFVII would not be seen as nearly as impressive a game(aside from a tech standpoint) in the gaming community if the other all of the older FFII and the other older FFs had been released outside of Japan before it. II was like the 1st really dark game of the series and killed off way more playable characters(and all of the temp characters were FAR cooler than the permanent ones). Not taking a jab at VII(this time), I'm just saying.AnonyMan 22:27, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

As much as I agree with the person above me there's really no point in going over the whatifs and such. It is what it is, and even if the older games had been released before FFVII what does any of that have to do with this? --Marael 23:39, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with the comments above claiming that always slagging off VII just beacuase its success, in muy Opinion VI was not that great and Kefka (he was alright as he had some humourous lines,and personality)is WAY overrated. yes he's a little amuzing but seriously....Kuja had way more stylish flare and Sephiroth was just Kickass. i know people are going to say some BS like Kefka was the God of magic and conquered the world, but hey so did Ultimecia and there is no end of abuse she gets from suppossed fans who are more obsessed with unfairly critizing later games when the gameplay is usually just as good if not better than previous games (XIII not so much IMO lol, the characters still has tere charm though and the 12 days before the purge thing was good to watch).i'm not saying the games pre VII aren't good it's just annoying the way supposed fans are clearly biased with there hatered (they still seem to play the new games though...

Final Fantasy VII became popular because of its improved graphics and its improved marketing - and it was a good game, I won't deny it. However, Sephiroth, Kuja, Ultimecia, and - adding some relevance to the fight here - Emperor Mateus all started off with major power. So did many others. The one villain who didn't start with great power was Kefka; he started out as a manipulative lackey, and grew. He acquired ultimate power right out from under Gestahl's nose (another emperor), then killed him (and a general). What makes him different from Ultimecia in the aspect of taking over the world is that he does it all, right in front of your face; Ultimecia's Time Compression (and home time, where she has conquered everything) is thwarted through a time loop she herself starts (while the conquest is done off-screen; it really loses its edge). I agree; Final Fantasy II and Final Fantasy VIII get a lot of flak for and because of their systems, and that makes their villains unpopular. The bottom line is that they are all unique; they all contribute their own brand of evil. The Emperor provides a man hellbent on controlling everything he can, from the planet to the afterlife - he's intelligent and cruel. He's also the actual big-bad of the game, whereas Galenth Dylensy... well, to my knowledge, he isn't. I know the Emperor better; thus, I voted for him.

What's with the really long votes? SquallRocks 14:56, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

I guess the Emperor's just that manipulating. He's forcing us to talk longer than we normally would. Or those are the former Anon voters, and as we know, they love to talk. King of Noobs 20:19, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Props for the Machiavelli reference. RenoZellRikku 00:28, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, landlside.Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 04:05, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

com on u gaiz if not 4 disedia, hwo menknee of u wuld kno teh emperawr/? UM, not many. I'd say total of three people. Really that's about all the credit I've seen go to Mateus is because of that damn game. As stated above I've known Mateus before Dysley and yes, he is better, but I tend to stray away from the cesspool of flies that swarm around the recently popular characters. They're like new hit singles that are from a band which has been around for the past 20 years. Understand? Also to those who say 'FFXIII sux' You can cry on my shoulder and admit it was too hard for you. --Gunji 10:02, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure you're serious, friend. You do know Final Fantasy II has been re released and on various consoles, right? Did you read only 1 comment at random? like Most of the comments of Mateus' votes don't even mention Dissidia(or mention it in addition to other stuff), especially considering he's far less badass than his original version. And don't hate Dissidia for having lesser known characters and games gain more notoriety. I do hope Bartz get his much needed and deserved mass popularity...or people stop hating Vaan for no reason.AnonyMan 15:45, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
Um, yeah. That's all the more reason people should know him more than just for what he's worth in Dissidia. Okay, okay, he looks like David Bowie and that makes him even cooler, right? Don't get me wrong I love Bowie. I don't hate Vaan and Bartz is .. All right. My complaint is that I can't stand this type of notoriety, I've seen it throughout every match and for the assumption that I only skimmed one comment, I read most of what I could stomach. --Gunji 03:45, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

The Emperor is the first largely developed antagonist. Garland was simple, a guy who made a time loop to live eternally. The Emperor is calculating, ruthless and a "Trap Master", for the whole of FF2 you get to see one or two disasters his actions have brought, always bringing a mess for you to solve. You get Mythril, The Emperor brings the Dreadnought, you destroy the Dreadnought, he brings on a Lamia Queen and poisons the Wyverns. You save Fynn, he lets loose a Cyclone, you defeat him, he comes back from Hell. The Emperor is the first of the line of later on "Emperors" or evil leaders of later games from which ironically Dysley is like an "offspring" of such process? And even if in Dissidia he's just a soldier, he makes himself known. Dysley's role as a Fal'Cie was surprising, but I'd have developed it further, besides his goal was to destroy the world......that objective has been so discarded and simple since quite long (yes Kuja wanted it, but merely after he knew he was mortal) that bringing it back so suddenly when you're developing more complex stories can make this guy look dumb.

So it's clear who won this, how bout we move on to the next one.--Chakn 18:30, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah man, Mateus is winning by a landslide. Drawing this out any further will just be embarrassing. --Marael 16:26, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Week 175: Tifa Lockheart v. Setzer Gabbiani

Dnc v
WINNER!
TIFA
Pull the lever, watch the reels and see which of these gamblers gets lucky! A barrage of Chocobos, a barrage of bombs, or a barrage of good old-fashioned fists and feet. But which of these slot-playing fan-favs truly has Lady Luck's ear? WINNER!
TIFA

Votes for Tifa

  1. Koharu Nami 04:00, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Tifa Lockhart is great in DDFF and in Advent Children so my vote goes to her! --TerraBranford145322 09:09, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  3. Why are peope focusing on what Tifa has become? In the original she was still an excellent character, and the fact she has become overrated should not remove from that. She's still my favourite. Hamfruitcake 09 14:06, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Don`t remeber much about Setzer.VentusFreakFFTA2-MontblancSprite 14:41, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. My life is a chip in your—SHUT UP! Tifa all the way!!! - DFF Cosmos Piece The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece 00:26, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  6. I'm not a fan of either character, but i do like VII more than VI. TheWOL 14:00, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  7. People complain about Tifa becoming nothing more than an object for male pleasure. Yet when other characters like Prishe, Terra, or Lightning. get some rather revealing outfits, it's OOGAAGAAGAA all the way... If you ask me, I think some of us are being a bit hypocritical. Razordash09:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  8. --BiggsandWedge 10:03, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  9. Tifa breaks the stereotype of the damsel in distress by being able to take care of herself, and while I love Setzer, his speech patterns annoy me just a little. Oh, and of course, there's the matter of Tifa's boobs, but then she just becomes Cloud's arm candy. Tia-Lewise 11:52, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  10. I grew up with Final Fantasy VII and Tifa was always my favourite character. I never got to play FFVI so my vote goes to Tifa. --Sencilia 13:26, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Really hard to decide! LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon 19:38, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  12.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 20:42, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Damn it, I forgot to vote in Cecil vs Kain (way too hard to decide). Both of these characters have their good and bad aspects, and while I much prefer 6 to 7 in general, I'm going to have to go with Tifa, if only in protest for the use of that awful Kingdom Hearts 2 version of Setzer -.- capefeather 23:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Have yet to play FFVI Vercery 23:59, June 16,2011 (UTC)
  15. I always add her for my FFVII team. --ClixPsi 02:32, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Haven't played vi yet.Metroidrules231 08:00, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Because I'm a man. LC 10:21, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Because Setzer disappointed me in KHII, and Tifa has to put up with Cloud's nonsense in the same game. SidVI Dissicon ff7 Tifa2 13:33, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  19. MMLN メーマウリアン 00:52, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
  20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9Nb4KM9OQ --BlueHighwind 03:19, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
  21. When fighting the three Turks I had already beaten Reno and Rude with Tifa's Limit Break's lesser punches and kicks, when Tifa got Final Heaven against Elena. You can't end a boss fight much more cooler way... Vohaul86 08:23, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
  22. Close one but I like Tifa that little bit more. John_Harper 17:19, June 18, 2011 (GMT)
  23. Here's to many great hours of Tifa/Scarlet domshipping. Nice strategy of using the non-hideous non-Amano art to try and get someone to vote for Mr. Pockfaced Git, shows how much faith you have in the guy. --AuronKaizer! 23:22, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  24. Tifa, unlike Setzer wasn't flamboyant and also, Tifa has the sexy skills, that Setzer did not. Also, her reels always come out with better outcomes for me. Just saying. XxGuado_SeymourxX 02:55, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  25. [insert joke about Tifa's slots here] - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:11, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  26. For more OUTSTANDING appearances in a thousand of Square midia and for her fight Advent Children. (There's no way Setzer gonna defeat Tifa... She's a girl!) --Master Lamington 05:41, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Tifa rocks Biziorek 09:40, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  28. Dunno who the other guy is and Tifa was in 012 XD (LiancoZ 10:46, June 20, 2011 (UTC))
  29. Her fight scene with Loz in AC is plain epic. SquallRocks 14:37, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  30. TIFA!!!--Hotdragon 295 19:11, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  31. No contest. RenoZellRikku 00:21, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Kaintheflaminglancer 16:16, June 22, 2011 (UTC) Who doesn't love Tifa?
  33. She is the only VII character who mangages to be awesome and still be the same person in every installment of the CompilationAlVan 20:21, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
  34. Not a big fan of either, but I still like Tifa more. --RazielZero 23:20, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
  35. Tifa's just badass like that. --Marael 18:59, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
  36. Same reason as 2.--ZexionFan321 06:26, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
  37. GlassAngel13 20:56, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
  38. Haven't played ffvi yet, so I don't really know what Setzer is like, but i liked Tifa in ffvii so that's who i'm going withTheKingOfHearts 21:37, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
  39. I love Tifa,Go Tifa go
  40. Tifa are allways on my party untill rocket town brcause of the damage she causes with her limit breake. I prefere Cid due to that his limit hits all/is easier to target at specifics. Setzer's not my type of char, and I'm not owerly impressed with his airship interface The Rood Inverse 12:11, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
  41. Tifa sucker punched Scarlet, so my vote goes to her. Setzer is also part of that whole "including unecessary characters to the party" thing Final Fantasy VI had going. Discordius Erisianus 14:52, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
  42. Her fight scene with Loz in Advent Children was very well done, and she bitch slapped the shit out of Scarlet. Not to mention Kingdom Hearts II successfully ruined my perception of Setzer... --XOneWingedAngelx 21:31, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
  43. She's hot, has high damage dealing potential, a mind gamer's dream character in Dissidia, and has a nice theme song. Makoenergy99 20:52, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
  44. No Contest i cant get a boner from the guy i don't even know.User:l'cieBeast6:28, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
  45. tifa definitely tifa win for sure !!!!!!
  46. tifa is one bad ass chick my vote for tifa!!!!user:kirbyy9 11:33, July 5, 2011 (utc)

Anonymous Votes

  1. I only know Tifa
  2. I liked Setzer's backstory with Daryl, but I wished he had gotten more development. He was interesting. Tifa will always be one of my favorites, behind Fang and Yuna. I have to go with her. 99.8.208.198
  3. I only know Tifa as well, but using the argument of her becoming a fan-service model, and ignoring what she was before, Setzer was reduced to nothing in KH2. Aside from that, Tifa was extremely kick-ass (figuratively and literally) in her game, and I appreciate her as a female character, where she had depth, was tough, and wasn't obnoxious as the others could be. 76.127.234.7 16:04, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  4. 65.75.234.2 11:48, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Tifa it's very cool, in AC she is too strong and cool
  6. I like Setzer, and probably prefer VI but I found him disappointing, he was just there really, you acquire him by interupting a kidnapping event and steal his ship and then trick him, and he just goes along with it enthusiastically. He does make up for this, but damn KH2 killed him. Tifa all the way, shes a great character, her popularity is merited
  7. 88.151.27.235 20:58, June 17, 2011 (UTC)Tifa kicks ass!
  8. 203.109.218.223 21:02, June 18, 2011 (UTC)Even as a Boxy low polygon model Tifa was still hot. I never saw a good picture of ANY of the girls from 6 apart from their amano artwork.And Tifa kept Her personality in KH2.
  9. I doubt Setzer could defeat Tifa in a one-on-one. He's a great character and fun to use but he just isn't all that reliable.
  10. Great punch.
  11. Tifa's hair is in a dolphin tail... and... dolphins rock. #66.184.78.6 00:08, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Setzer really doesn't poke my interest. Never used him in my party unless necessary, along with dumass Locke. Tifa, on the other hand, always made my party with Cloud and Vincent/Red XIII. And NOT because of her aesthetics, it's just because I like her.
  13. Setzer is an alright guy but this can't even be considered a contest. Tifa is a strong willed martial artist whose fame in FF series has her gain more popularity than Setzer could ever amass. While I disagree with this perpective despite being a male her hotness has a great deal to do with her popularity. And in regards to the subtle FF6 vs FF7 that underlays this conflict, technically it should be a draw but it isn't (FF7)! Tifa is also kinda hilarious. (FF7 stair climbing scene, Epic Funny my fair lady) Tifa got into Duodecim, was considered for the original Kingdom Hearts BEFORE Setzer and in any top 10 countdown concerning FF characters, Tifa somehow makes the top 5(She even managed to beat out Cloud and Sephiroth in one countdown in IGN I think...). Plus there are two obvious reasons that Tifa will win this. Personality and Punching.
  14. 173.181.79.161 07:37, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Never reached Setzer in FFVI , but played/watched everything that had Tifa in it , so she gets my vote. June 29,2011
  16. What's with people keep saying Tifa's reputation getting ruined? It's not like it is favored by the masses and is her real personality. What can you do? She just looks that way. Its pretty foolish to judge someone based on the bad rumors that obviously does only apply for the pervs. This battle, my vote goes to Tifa.
  17. Tifa wins for me. But if it was against Lightning I would choose lightning
  18. Both are highly nostalgic, and Setzer is a great and useful character, but something about Tifa makes me want to cheer her on. She's persistent and strong-willed without being pushy, but she isn't afraid to show vlnerability.

Votes for Setzer

  1. Hehehe :/  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 07:33, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Setzer has had his fair share of good moments in VI and is one of the most important characters in the World of Ruin. Tifa however has been reduced to naught but fanservice in the recent years, and that is just sad. MirrorshardSceada 07:37, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  3. MSS puts it nicely. * 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 08:00, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Normally, I'd vote for Tifa, as I've actually managed to perfect her "slots" a few times, but I think I'm gonna go with Setzer. I just loved him in VI, he owns an airship, and anyone that can kill something with cards or darts gets kudos points in my book. King of Noobs 13:09, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  5. I don't hate Tifa but she has way too much overrated fanservice and cosplay (Which always annoys me) Not to mention Setzer has the only airship in the world, that says something about how much power he has over all the "Normal citizens and snooty rich guys in Jidoor" Moogleknight24 13:35, June 15, 2011 (UTC)Moogleknight24
  6. Rictisempra 15:23, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  7. This is slot, the other one is a Sl*tSΓΣamyGoreng 10:06, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Because he was my main fighting force in The World of Ruin. I love Tifa don't get me wrong, and my Tifa in Duodecim is actually my best fighter. But I feel Seltzer is a very underrated character. Get the fixed dice, regular dice, the offering, and the genji glove, he's a recipe for total annihilation. Plus he wears a purple trench coat and that endears him to meBahamut knows best 11:19, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  9. Well, this fight is a bit unbalanced... Yeah, Tifa has skills with gambling, but she is a fighter after all... Setzer is a born gambler. He uses dices, slots and cards to fight. In duodecim, Tifa is one of my favourite characters, I love her, and her look, but this fight is the gamblers fight. If it was a brawlers fight, I'm sure my vote would fly to Tifa, but this time, Setzer is the ace. He throws dices like noone does! (AND HE HAS AN AIRSHIP WHAT FUNCTIONS AS A CASINO?!?!?!Tifa, just take a nap now!)--Lonely Wild Rose Rose 12:04, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  10. Setzer all the way Balthierfan 16:38, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  11. His Slots were actually unique. In addition to being a far, far, far cooler and more interesting character. He's got style, something Tifa doesn't, and the only airship in VI's world...then the OTHER only airship later. A pimp, plain and simple. Tifa's not even a good "tough girl" RPG character, much better examples who came before her. AnonyMan 21:00, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Setzer gets my vote because he has a unique way of fighting, i.e with darts/cards in addition to his slots. Also, he has an interesting backstory and owns the world's only airship. He was an original idea and a significant character. I think Tifa's alright, but Setzer takes the cake in this fight. --Time Master --Time Master 21:21, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Although I don't really like either of them, I like him more than Tifa. MystRay
  14. I'm going with setzer, tifa already gets lots of attention, plus setzer's funnier Pzykosiz 08:09, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Ante up! --Silver Mage 16:02, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Oh how can i forget Setzer and abandon him like this? One of my favourite characters in FFVI. I also played FFVII but Tifa isn't awesome as Setzer ^^ Khorne_IV
  17. If you're talking about gamblers, Setzer is the top pick. He probably knows Lady Luck's phone number, I mean the guy makes his life about gambling. Maykite 09:08, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
  18. No contest for me. It's Setzer. He is The Wandering Gambler - Tifa isn't a gambler, she is a monk. If we're going on slots, Setzer wins with 7 Flush; if we're going on weapons, Setzer wins with Fixed Dice or Doom Darts or Final Trump. Setzer is a unique character with a few mysteries and his world's only airship. Tifa has... well, we know what she has. And it doesn't work for me. Setzer is the winner! Dogurasu 06:01, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  19. The Original FF Gambler :) AtmaCrisis 09:23, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  20. First I wondered what reason these two could be put up against each other. Setzer easily wins in my opinion. - Metusylc0304 14:37, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Setzer is obviously the better slot user, besides looks like Setzer will need votes...FFVIfan 20:53, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  22. I'm going to skip being cliche by commenting on his fighting prowess or what he chooses as a weapon, etc. Setzer was just an awesome guy to me, and his sprite when he prepared for battle was priceless. --Gunji 20:13, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  23. FFVI still has a special place in my heart.Mynameissora 08:25, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
  24. If this battle came down to magic, Setzer wins hands down. He can learn and retain every spell in the game, where as Tifa is limited to the spells attached to the materia she's equipped with. Plus, Setzer can use his slots at any time. Tifa can only rely on hers during a limit break.Servonut 15:47, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
  25. Setzer is to awsome for words.--Dancing Maddness 13:01, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
  26. He fights with cards, dice, and darts (though he's at his most stylish when he has the cards and dice). He's probably one of the coolest looking characters out there. How can I not vote for him?--InsanityBringer 16:50, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
  27. DRevan64 Tifa is going to win by virtue of tits, so I'm going to vote for Setzer by virtue of sexilicious silver hair. Also, I love a gambling man. 2:49, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Tifa has neither Dice nor Darts as weapons, so... my vote goes to Setzer.
  2. 155.188.247.17 21:22, June 17, 2011 (UTC)I don't really understand the nature of this competition; slots are the only qualification for being a gambler? I don't see Tifa "gambling" so much as "focusing" on her limit break...there's certainly none of the "casino" aspect. Cait Sith or Selphie should have gone up against Setzer. To me, Tifa is easily the better character, but that's not what we're deciding here, is it?
  3. The best romantic (in the true sense of word) character ever. He feint coolness and such, but he's such a sad and nostalgic guy inside, not really belonging to the times he lives in. Plus, his music theme (with a lot of variations) is the main ending theme. Nothing else to add really.
  4. Setzer has a damn casino in his airship and he makes quotes about life. Also, Setzer has Fixed Dice. Tifa is just all fanboys fapping to her.
  5. I choose Tifa at the first sight. But don't you forget this quote: 'Whenever you think you're right, you're wrong'. So my vote goes for Setzer.
  6. Tifa? A Gambler? Don't make me laugh. Setzer invented the Gambler job class, and Tifa can do Slot Machines? As a Limit Break? Setzer can do them anytime like a man. --50.50.196.71 19:34, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

I Can't Decide! They're both to epic for words.

I can't choose. Tifa suplexes and beats up everything that she meets up against and is just awesome, and Setzer calls Chocobos, brings down the Airship with H-Bomb, and he's also awesome!

FF needs more Real Slots-using characters. There hasn't been any since Cait Sith. Also Selphie would have been a more fitting choice to go up against Setzer. AnonyMan 21:09, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

There was at least one more after Cait Sith that I know of. And that is Wakka, who used the slots.

Razordash 09:36, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

  1. 155.188.183.16 21:27, June 17, 2011 (UTC) Not a big fan of this match-up; Tifa's slots are not so much a question of luck, but patience; they move slowly enough for you to guarantee a hit if you are willing to take the time to do it right. It's more like she is focusing her strength rather than relying on luck. Cait Sith and Selphie actually rely on luck in order to get a result from their slots, and would have been a much more appropriate choice for this match-up.

Selphie's Slots weren't really so much down to luck though, it was more about patience as you could just keep redoing them until you got some awesome magic, or if you were really patient, come up with rapture.-->

There is a cheat that can garantee getting the results you want with Selphies limit break (if you have a Playstation 1)

Zack got the DMW-slots in Crisis core. Never been a fan of the random limit breaks... The Rood Inverse 11:44, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with the person above me. It ticks me off that I can't choose when to use the strongest summons in a boss battle but they keep popping up in a normal enemy encounter, like seriously? WTF?! At least with Tifa you get to choose. --Marael 02:11, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Week 174: Kain Highwind v. Cecil Harvey

Dnc v
King Cecil
WINNER!
Kain Highwind
40 1/2 to 32 1/2
I don't think these two need any introduction. They are titans of their jobs. WINNER!
Kain Highwind
40 1/2 to 32 1/2

Votes for the Dragoon

  1. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 03:58, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Rough choice, but Kain is awesome in TAY. Jimcloud 04:08, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  3. --Wedge Cocoon sig (of Biggs&Wedge)04:27, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  4. --ClixPsi 04:54, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  5. In the original FFIV game both were equally cool, but in The After Years Kain Kicked way more ass than Cecil who was under mind control most of the game. GO HOLY DRAGOON!!! President Rufus Shinra 19:58, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
  6. While I disliked Kain in IV and liked Cecil, in Duodecim it is exactly the other way around: Cecil gets on my nerve, while Kain redeemed himself. As such, this vote goes to the Duodecim Kain. MirrorshardSceada 06:23, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  7. He can freaking JUMP AND SPEAR YOUR HEAD!!! What can cecil do, Defend?SΓΣamyGorengGoreng 12:04, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  8. This is a tough one but I'm playing Darksiders and Liam O'Brien and Mark Hamill are the greatest voice over duo for any video game, period.  Kamikaze Pardee Dissicon ff5 Gil1 14:21, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  9. As much as I like Cecil in IV, Kain takes the cake here. And in Duodecim. And the AFter Years.--Uzuki18 14:34, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  10. As characters, it's definitely Kain. Though it was really hard because both of them has an awesome voice actor. Kain - Gaara (Naruto) and Lloyd (Code Geass). Cecil - Sasuke (Naruto) Suzaku (Code Geass). --RazielZero 15:09, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  11. Well, I don't like Cecil... and Kain is badass. LTFabrettiChocobo Dragoon 16:42, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  12. The original and ultimate Dragoon. Balthierfan 17:04, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  13. Ooh! Tough one this week, but my vote goes to the dragoon, better than cecil in 012 and white magic to boot. Primal Link 19:16, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Kain is better than Cecil in IV, TAY, and 012. MystRay 19:19, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Kain would probably win. Ason Brozen 9:33, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Lance of the covenant! LC 11:55, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Because Kain has so much depth and makes for a great hero/antihero. Nokareon 23:59, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Kains a dragoon thats all there is to it. User:l'cieBeast 21:15, May 27 2011 (UTC)
  19. Kain is way better than Cecil. Not only are Kain's abilities better (Dragoon vs. Paladin), but I felt more sympathy towards Kain. His own jealousy towards Cecil leads to many of the events, and nobody seems to forgive him, even when he repents. Also, he looks better than Cecil. User:violagirl33
  20. Kain kicks ass. Also, I like playing as him in 012 more than Cecil. XxRikku-chanxX 22:22, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
  21. Both characters hold about the same amount in my heart, however, when it comes to choosing between them, I do have to side with Kain on this one, just seeing as the Dragoon class for me, was always the better skilled class and much more versatile in the games, especially in IV. So, Kain has it in this match. XxGuado_SeymourxX 22:47, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
  22. It's a tough choice, but I think Kain is a deeper character and less of a sissy. RenoZellRikku 04:34, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
  23. Rinoa Leonheart 05:01, May 30, 2011 (UTC) OH YEAH
  24. "You offer your life in exchange for their's?" "Of course not, I offer yours." User:DRevan64 07:57 (UTC)
  25. I just like Kain better. Ventusfreak 17:29 (UTC+1)
  26. Another example of why Square suck at choosing the right character to make the main one. Now, things would obviously have been a little different if it were Dark Knight Cecil we was talking about, but no such luck. Kain's awesomeness has been able to withstand copious misuse by way of crappy fangirls. And that's the key. --AuronKaizer! 00:21, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  27. I hated the part in FFIV when Cecil got married to Rosa, never really liked cecil apart from his dark knight half. TheWOL 19:34, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  28. THE Kain --Silver Mage 16:27, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  29. KAIN!!!!!SephirothHighwind 22:12, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  30. MY FAVORITE BADASS DRAGOON!!!! ★Crescent moon★ 11:27, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
  31. I couldn't decide, so I held 2 fights between them in Duodecim. Kain won both, so he gets my vote :D YamiNoBahamut 14:25, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
  32. Who don't love Kain???--Hotdragon 295 22:07, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
  33. Kain excels much better than stupid Cecil in duodecimLelouchlamperouge990 10:41, June 4, 2011 (UTC)lelouchlamperouge990
  34. GlassAngel13 17:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
  35. I use him in my main party in TAY, and he jumps... CheeseNinja 03:26, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
  36. Kain is a beast in battle, simple as that. And, in the Advance/Complete Collection, Kain's dark side easily captured Rosa and Cecil in Kain's lunar trial. You can choose to have Kain fight Cecil, and if you watch that scene it's obvious how powerful Kain's true spirit is. And, when Kain double jumps, you can do massive amounts of damage in a short time. Zexion4I4 00:51, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
  37.  Shadow Dissicon ff4 Kain1 03:44, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. 65.75.234.2 14:30, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  2. 173.57.172.74 21:22, May 26, 2011 (UTC)I vote Kain, he's hot and his voice is just awesome~ <3
  3. Kain has better white magic than Cecil and dragoons are pretty awesome. Plus I've always just loved Kain. <3 96.54.192.103 23:25, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Vote for a man with guts, "All those who challenge me will fall!" 118.96.214.254 23:41, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Kain is so cool! #66.184.78.6 20:18, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  6. 90.200.9.154 22:12, May 27, 2011 (UTC) Dragoons are better than paladins any day, plus, when Cecil changed from a kick ass dark knight, to a piss weak Paladin, everyone who played that game for the first time (including me) was disappointed.
  7. I love him in Duodecim. 112.203.2.121 10:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
  8. ~~I like both of them, but in my point of view Kain has more depth in his character.--155.69.203.1 12:28, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I like both, but prefer Kain's design. I think he's pretty cool. 99.8.208.198 03:11, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Votes for the Paladin

  1. I have never liked Kain NeoExdeath 04:14, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  2. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:31, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  3. - Vercery 04:41, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  4. Clarent  (talk/ contribs) 05:46, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  5. MMLN メーマウリアン 07:44, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Mr. Harvey!!! SidVI 09:08, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  7. My vote goes to the Paladin--Koori-san 11:55, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  8. Cecil's more interesting, is around more and has actually proven himself to be pretty awesome. Kain's not a bad character but is just an unremarkable Dragoon and literally nothing special. He's fairly cool, but he was never THAT cool. Ever.AnonyMan 12:07, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  9. I don't like the way Kain stands in the DS version.  The SirLaguna Dissicon ff8 Lag1 12:14, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  10. lolol Laguna. Also, MOON POWER. --Gunji 14:06, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  11. I don't get why people like him so much. He wasn't that amazing in IV, I mean, who gets manipulated more than 3 times by the same person? SquallRocks 15:32, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  12. Grr... I can't decide on their epicness, so I'm gonna go with the one I like to play more on Duodecim. I'm not much of an Air Character player, outside of Kuja (that whole gliding thing, ya know.) King of Noobs 21:22, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  13. 2ea674f6.pngKujaBox 23:09, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  14. Cecil may be a boring character but he's not horribly overrated. --BlueHighwind 01:46, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  15. Tough choice. But Cecil is cooler. Kain is just... a little too deep for me.  CloudyKrystal Dissicon ff7 Clo2 02:13, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  16. Blue said it all. But Cecil is also not blonde. Discordius Erisianus 05:21, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  17. Yeah tough choice, and the thing is pretty even too so... whatever. I like Kain too, but he just killed off everyone in Duodecim and made the storyline shorter. I like cecil because he can transform between 2 jobs and the combo skills are pretty epic. HighSeraph 08:07, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  18. Kain's kinda annoying. Squall2.0 8:23 May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  19. Kain = TEH EPICNESS, but Cecil is played by Yuri Lowenthal. - DFF Cosmos Piece The Final Fantasy DFF Chaos Piece 22:47, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
  20. CardboardBoxMan 07:58, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
  21. He is a dad..... --XxNoctisxx 20:02, May 28, 2011 (UTC)xxNoctisxx
  22. Okay, despite my statement in the Peanut Gallery below, I'm going to cast my vote for the Paladin/Dark Knight Split Soul (for those who have seen him in Dissidia). If only because he's losing.Dogurasu 16:18, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
  23. I'm surprised I continued to main him in 012 - his play style really appeals to me. Plus he has a rockin' second alt. The main issue I have with him though is his rather, uhm, hammy performance. But why? WHHHHHHYYYYYY?! *sobs* BfD t/c 01:07, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  24. I love both characters, FFIV is one of my favourite FF Games. But Cecil is the superior warrior here and we all know that, besides he is Kain's King! KaiserPaladin 07:50, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  25. I killed Chaos with like two hits with this guy. Palidin Force>Jump. Other than that, they are both pretty cool I've only started IV so can't say much more.AlVan 21:37, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
  26. Cecil can fly! XD Mynameissora 13:17, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
  27. Kain is too much of an idiot to win. Seriously, pick a side and stick to it, Mr so-called Dragoon. Flicky1991 14:24, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
  28. I'm voting for Cecil on this one. Kain "betrayed" the party too many times for me to support him. Plus, his character didn't seem to have nearly as much depth as Cecil's. Finally, There are many Dragoons in the final fantasy series, but there is only ONE person who is both a Dark Knight and a Paladin. Kain can't top that. --Time Master 03:35, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
  29. Because as much as I dislike Cecil I dislike Kain infinitely more. Bahamut knows best 12:10, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
  30. Cecil could easily kick Kain's assPzykosiz 00:45, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes

  1. Cecil all the way! He's one of my favourite FF characters...that, and I never really liked Kain much..--121.123.247.9 11:48, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Tough choice, as they are both great characters, but I've always taken more kindly to Cecil than to Kain. Cecil's story was just more sympathetic and you saw him grow as a character. That's not to say Kain didn't either and that if he was the protaganist of IV I'd be saying the same thing about him that I'm now saying about Cecil, but I just feel that Cecil is the stronger character, and I don't mean in terms of strength. Cecil has misgivings, he has regrets, he has to do things that he doesn't want to do, but he takes all that pain and suffering and carries on anyway, while with Kain it enables him to be mind controlled. Yes, he eventually threw it off, but to have never fallen down that path even with all his suffering, Cecil just takes the cake for me. 96.242.217.136 19:22, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  3. 76.127.238.83 00:02, May 27, 2011 (UTC) As much as I would love to say Kain, Cecil's voice in the DS version was beautiful, and Kain fell behind on the list of awesome characters when Edge, Rydia, Edward, and Yang came into the picture. Love them both, but Cecil leads just by a hair.
  4. Hate Kain, love Cecil..Nuff said..--175.140.55.105 09:35, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
  5. I now have TWO fight suggestions that made it! (Huzzah!) Anyway, Cecil all the way. He isn't a total jerk the whole game. --50.50.196.71 19:32, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery

1. Calling it now. It's gonna be a draw.

Possibly. These are two of the few characters around here who are really popular with very few ire around them. Even Vivi has haters(Haters gonna hate in this case). But I'm thinking Kain will edge out for the win. AnonyMan 12:00, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  1. I can't vote on this one because I can't tell who is more badass - in the DS version, my Cecil fought Odin (taking no fewer than three Zantetsuken hits) practically solo and won; in the same game, Kain took out Zeromus with his last attack and at 1 HP.
That was deep, whoever it was that posted above me. --Gunji 14:08, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Just to clarify things just in case some people incorrectly state, Kain wasn't The First Dragoon, Ricard(or Richard) from FF2(the real FF2) was. AnonyMan 18:44, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps but Kain was the first 'Standard' dragoon or debatably the dragoon that others are based on - spears, jump, dragon helm, etc. Balthierfan 11:10, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Not quite, Dragoons were in FF3 and that's when they finally got Jump to cement their style and motif. Kain may have made the class more popular but he didn't bring anything else to it. AnonyMan 12:06, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
And let's not forget that Final Fantasy IV was Final Fantasy II for us Americans, so he is OUR first Dragoon. King of Noobs 17:45, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Actually FFII is the original FF in America, so still Ricard.
Er, no. I, IV and VI were the first three released in America. II wasn't released for quite a while. -- Some Color Mage ~ (Talk) 06:07, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
That's true. however, we have the internet and this is a Final Fantasy information site. Anyone can easily look up Dragoons and know Kain still wasn't the original. AnonyMan 21:24, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
When you grew up playing Final Fantasy, did you have much access to the Internet? Did this site even exist when the SNES was in its prime? The simple fact, no matter what information may be out there, nostalgia over-rules almost everything. That's why many will still call Kain the first Dragoon. King of Noobs 21:33, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hahah I always laugh at the anonymous voters bc they have the LONGEST explanations. SquallRocks 20:57, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

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