#I vote for Yuna. I haven't really played FFXII but I love playing FFX-2. I like summoners lol. --[[User:Sencilia|Sencilia]] 04:17, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
#I vote for Yuna. I haven't really played FFXII but I love playing FFX-2. I like summoners lol. --[[User:Sencilia|Sencilia]] 04:17, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
#Yuna is so much better then Ashe its like no contest [[User:Mr_Darkside|Mr_Darkside]] 06:38, 4 December, 2009 (UTC)
#Yuna is so much better then Ashe its like no contest [[User:Mr_Darkside|Mr_Darkside]] 06:38, 4 December, 2009 (UTC)
#They're both pretty cool, but Yuna has better character development. The wedding scene is also epic.
#They're both pretty cool, but Yuna has better character development. The wedding scene is also epic.
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Uwee hee hee hee! Welcome, editors, to the Dragon's Neck Colosseum! My name is Ultros the receptionist, and each week I'm taking bets as to who will win in a tussle between two characters from the Final Fantasy series! The winner gets, well, nothing. It's more of a poll, really. The Colosseum owner stuck me on this duty after Kefka was defeated, but I need the money! So what are you waiting for? Get voting! Remember, you can remain anonymous! If you have any requests for future fights, please feel free to leave a message here.
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Both of these leading ladies come from a game that is divisible by the number two. They also wear wild combinations of clothing that would never go together in reality, heavy on the pink white and blue... but really, which wears it better?
Votes for Ashe
Because she's superior in every way. Ashe is badass Drake Clawfang 23:24, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
Haven'te playede bothe games, bute I side withe Ashe. Jeffrey 15:34, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
I haven't played either game. But Ashe has a shorter skirt than even X-2 Yuna. And she's a princess. Is Yuna a princess? Terran 5::20, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
If this were actual combat, Ashe would definitely win, being superior to Yuna stat-wise. VoidCommanderExdeath 00:29, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I do like Yuna, but I think I like Ashe just a little bit more Moocowisi 00:37, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Oh Lord. Its Lady Ashe! How can I vote against her? One of my favorite FF girls! TheBlueDragoon 01:06, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Ashe inherited an entire kingdom, not a crappy sequel. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:27, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Because she doesn't need constant babysitting to be effective unlike X!Yuna, and the only thing I'll ever vote for from X-2 is Paine BlaqheartGIG 03:16, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I'll concede that Yuna is very well developed, but I'm still going with Ashe. She may be a jerkass, but she put Vaan in his place. More than once. That's more than enough to earn a vote from me. Also, I love Kari Wahlgren.ClixPsi 04:55, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Hedy Buress's voice acting absolutely ruined a cutsceen or two. Maybe Yuna, Tidus, and I can all scream together...ApatheticAngel 23:07, December 2,2009 (UTC)
Yuna is based on an annoying japanese steriotype. Ashe is an original character with a detailed backstory. MadHatter1284 06:11, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Better character with better character development, more likable, cooler, and even better fanservice despite Yuna having an entire game devoted to it. Only thing I see in Yuna's favor is the fact that her Aeons causes perhaps the best power trip in the series, which isn't quite enough to sway me. RadLink5 08:34, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Definitely Ashe. Kuzlalala 09:26, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
While both characters are possibly the greatest FF heroines, I think Ashe just about slips ahead. She was interesting, calm, and was a very formidable warrior, whereas Yuna's skill lay with magic and summoning; not as useful imo. Yuna might have been very determined, but so was Ashe, and Yuna could never have been anything of a leader. Too soft-spoken. #Cloudgauntlet 13:54, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Yuna may have slightly more character, but Ashe is hotter and more badass. The Man In The Black Cape 15:27, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Sword? Check. White Magic? If you let her, check. That's good enough for me. Pikmin Master 16:17, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Ashe is the main character of the XII - Revenant Wings series. She's also one of the few notable Time Mages, with extremely useful buffing and meteorite-evoking spells in the latter game. Who else gets to wield pyrotechnics, hmm? 8bit 17:01, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Her outfit doesn't really fit her regal posture, but I love how she is a strong yet compassionate woman, and not a teenage airhead like Yuna. SamSandy 18:13, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Ashe beats Yuna, just a by a hair (She has swords, Yuna has staffs)Blackheart1991 18:43, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I want those boots. AstrialJam 02:58, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
FFXII is the best Final Fantasy ever and Yuna is the worst main female character ever. Also swords beat staves in every way. KaiserPaladin 06:04, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
I liked Yuna in the original FFX. I thought she had a great storyline (albeit, a bit christ-like for my tastes, but still good). But I felt Ashe was stronger as a character. She was torn between saving her people, or becoming the thing she was fighting against: a totalitarian. She defied her own fate, and for that, I give her props and my vote.CodeNameRedXIII 06:18, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Because Yuna was cool until her horrid spinoff and because I found all the FF12 characters to be very bland. JohnnyC
Ignoring the ricdiculous sequel and the exchange of added personality at the cost of clothing, Yuna is more likeable than Ashe ever was(I wished somone punched her in the stomach in XII). Though I find XII's cast as a whole to be a bit better than X's despite the fact they're a much staler lot. AnonyMan 00:02, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Yuna, she can summon f'n Anima AND Bahaumut. what more could you want?Ishotsteve 00:36, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Even not ignoring that ridiculous sequel, Yuna is better. Ashe never did a backflip while going trigger happy (to my knowledge,) and that alone settles it as far as I'm concerned. The.DreadnoughT 00:38, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
BlueHighwind ツ: My roommate decided this one. He says "because I have no idea who the fuck Ashe is". I was leaning this way anyway.
Yuna has far better fashion sense. I mean, really, steel knee-highs with a hot pink miniskirt? *Z-snap.*Neo Bahamut 02:20, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't really decide, so I just flipped a coin. Sorry Ashe. Modedan 02:57, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
It has to be Yuna for me (asuming this is X and not X-2). I have great repect for Yuna. She doesnt need to wear skimpy clothing to get respect from players and she is all you need in a character. it is easy to bring her stats up to above all other characters with her strength even passing Auron. Best fight in a while by the way.lordflare 22:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Ugh, I usually try to vote for the underdog if at all possible, but I've got to go with Yuna here. Yuna at least has character; Ashe has a recycled storyline that I've seen and read dozens of times already. Ashe simply doesn't have the complexity that Yuna does, even if her counterpart Tidus is about as interesting as a stick (although Vaan is even less so, so...). Nokareon
As much as I love both of them, Yuna takes the cake. She can summon, she can cast White Magic, yeah, she rocks. Dont get me wrong, Ashe can do the same thing if you give her the right crap, but Yuna starts off with it. So easy win. SuperGuyverUSA 12:45, 3 December, 2009 (UTC)
Yuna is a much more likable character, plus she's cute. One of my top favorite female characters. BoAKaN 06:30, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Yuna is one the best characters in FF history, Ashe picks her nose, the end.
While I do love both of the characters, I love Yuna more. If I don't think about FFX-2, it never existed to me... Yuna will always be a sweet and reserved summoner in my eyes. Who is that trashy, gunslinging broad? Violetmage♥ 13:45, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I like both of these characters, but Yuna just a bit more. I think her storyline is much deeper with her knowing the whole time she's going to die, and accepting it etc. Ashe is just hell-bent on vengence. ...and I have to say though their both hot, Yuna's opening scene in X-2 is just amazing with her going gun crazy. Also, how can you vote against a summoner in a game with decent summons? Overall I think Yuna takes this fight, thought it's one of the better fights I've seen recently. Bond em7 13:50, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Yuna is one of my favorite female characters. Not many seventeens-year-old's have her determination and sense of duty. Ashe is alright but I couldn't really get into her character. Go Yuna!--StragusLore 14:37, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I guess Yuna was just the better character. Bjarnster 14:43, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Two bimbos.. but at least Yuna's concept design is cute. Ashe is dull in everyway. -- Kyrel 15:28, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
XII had a sever lack of interesting characters, with Ashe at the head of it, she was incredibly shallow with what little development being completely cliche of her roll... Yuna's development had a direct impact on the story, as her original views conflicted heavily with what she eventually needed to do, Ashe's development could be completely removed from XII and the story wouldn't change... Yuna wins this one Zuken 15:56, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I hate Ashe. --Billylemmon 18:03, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
One of the best females in the entire series; plus, her relationship with Tidus never fails to make me weep (pretending X-2 never happened). - Paramina 18:30, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Acrum92 I always used Yuna way more than Ashe. 18:37, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Much as Ashe had good character development - that's not saying much for ff12, is it? Yuna is a far more important character in the actual gameplay and used what i consider to be the best summoning system on any ff. ffx-2 was god awful but let's forget that... BritPenance 21:26, December 3 2009 (UTC)
Yuna all the way!!!!!! Mainly because Ive never played 12 in the first place. But Yuna could summon Anima who is my favorite summon. Theres more reasons but I dont feel like typing them Randomnessity 16:24, December 3 2009 (UTC)
Didn't play XII but Yuna is awesome. She went from the quiet little summoner to a sexy badass with guns.--DarkTriforce 01:14, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Yuna is the best female character in the entire series. And can someone please explain to me why Ashe is picking her nose? Xaphnir 02:01, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
I vote for Yuna. I haven't really played FFXII but I love playing FFX-2. I like summoners lol. --Sencilia 04:17, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Yuna is so much better then Ashe its like no contest Mr_Darkside 06:38, 4 December, 2009 (UTC)
They're both pretty cool, but Yuna has better character development. The wedding scene is also epic. CheeseNinja 08:08, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
I like Yuna, she is a very nice and brave girl. She is also one of my favorite people to use in battle.
220.127.116.11 11:16, December 3, 2009 (UTC) Yuna is more useful and overall a better character than Ashe.
18.104.22.168 13:32, December 3, 2009 (UTC)" Without a doubt Yuna wins by a landslide! Ashe is such a shallow character, you barely get to know here, but Yuna is so in depth and lovable! AND I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I can't how much Ashe gasps in cut scenes so annoying!
I don't hate Ashe and XII was magnificent but it still has to be Yuna. We're moving on a sacred ground for me here.
Yuna is the best protagonist of all Final Fantasys!!!
She is one of the best charecters in the game.Ashe...well she isn't Vaan but...Ijust don't care about her existence at all...
This is weird. I thought Blue Highwind had quit the Wiki forever. KujaRhapsodos 00:57, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Why? Also, it's worth noting that Ashe is debatably the best female FF protagonist ever. She was in much more of a leadership role than usual. Yuna isn't very far behind, though.Neo Bahamut 02:20, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Ashe is the true protagonist of FF12, and a worthy heir to Terra's legacy. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:35, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I just hope this one isn't a blowout. I want a tie this week. I had a hell of a time debating who to vote for. I love both characters, so I flipped a coin. I want a tie this week. TheBlueDragoon 16:34, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
I like both characters too, so I'll abstain from voting. I hope that there will be a result though. Draws are just plain boring. Jeppo (Talk | contribs) 18:07, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
If I had to choose the best ally, I'd have to go with Fran. Longbow trumps halberd any day. But only in the real world. Otherwise, this would be impossible to decide.--Werefang[T/A] 23:35, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
Oh man... I know I may be in a minority, but I think both of these characters are useless. Fran has all-around lower stats, and Kimahri is ultimately a copy-cat. So, based on overall character, I'll go with Fran. If she was good enough for Balthier, then she's good enough for me.--ClixPsi 23:38, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
Tis Fran. It doesn't need to be explained. TheBlueDragoon 23:58, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
Munk451 Fran, Just because she is awesome, and not to mention archers are more effective then lancers in FF12, because they can always hit flying monsters.
Rinoa leonheart 00:38, November 12, 2009 (UTC)" go Fran go Fran go Fran go Fran go Fran GO!!!!!!
BlueHighwind ツ: Well, DUH! Do you expect me to disrespect the glory of Lady Edea for some incredibly boring FFIV villain that gave me disquieting vibes of Exdeath?
Come onnnnnnnn lucky, Aunty Fran needs a landslide! Armageddon11! 01:05, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
WTF happened to the old fight? This is more confusing than a thirty-second Zerg Rush...when playing Command & Conquer. Anyhow, it's like this: I use Fran when playing XII. I don't use Kimahri, ever. Everything Kimahri is good for, someone else can do faster, better and more reliably (except three things: 1- failing at being a Dragoon; 2- failing at being a Blue Mage; and 3- failing at life) without needing a full Overdrive gauge first. The.DreadnoughT 01:38, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
There are too many reasons why she's better than Kimahri - +DeadlySlashSword+ 02:09, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree with Deadlyslashsword. Kindran Ornitier 03:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Freaks them both in my book. But Kimahri comes packed with FFX and Sphere Grid. Yet I do recognize his credit for not speaking much. The other characters could've followed the example.Discordius 04:32, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I dislike the FFXII characters, as always. Gameplay wise, I would say that Kimahri has a lot of potential, but he's really awkward to use. Not so much with Fran. I'm going to have to go with her on this one.Neo Bahamut 05:15, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
First, she's a Viera, who, as I know, agile. Second, not that I'm a pervert, but she's hot! Kuzlalala 09:15, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Both are weak in the party, but i like Fran because she's so Brilliant. She even discarded wood and village.^.^ A.X.A 12:53, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Love that scene where Fran goes Berserk. Kimahri disappointed that Kimahri not have single moment of badassrey. Violetmage♥ 13:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Fran was more useful - Ash Crimson 13:27, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Kimahri's somehow boring, I prefer Fran much more.. Regoli 14:01, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I actually use Fran. I never used Kimahri except that fight where you had to use him. Bjarnster
Im not giving Kimahri any kind of pity vote Mr_Darkside 14:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
The Rood Inverse 15:20, November 12, 2009 (UTC) I love her levelheaded coolnes and air of mystisism. She has a much coler voice than kimahri and much better lines (she actualy got lines :P ). Wish she was a caster rather than a archer, tho. Maby a bit to similar to Lulu?
kimahri sucks...end of story. SE did a good thing when they decided to make the biran and yenke fight based on kimahri's strength otherwise none of us would have ever passed that part because we never used kimahri. fran was a good sidekick to balthier and i loved her voice, and her sense of confidence.
Well Fran obviously, I mean even Penelo is more useful than Kimahri. Setzcole 15:37, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I didn't use either, but Kimahri was the single character that didn't have a specific enemy he could just destroy that other members couldn't (like every other party memeber you got besides yuna, and she at least had her summons and healing) His normal abilities were subpar and the abilities that should have been for every-turn use ended up as his overdrive, he also offered the least to the story with a measly conflict between him, biron, and yanke ranking as the peak of his story involvment. Fran has a slight edge to him in every one of those categories, plus more charm and personality.Zuken 16:21, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I'm all for Kimahri but sorry, Fran happens to be one of my favourite characters in the series :)
This is going to be a crushing defeat for Kimahri anyway, but here's my opinion: Kimahri is not entirely useless, but, due to the presence of Auron, he is superfluous, while Fran is, herself, fairly useless, but she does wear That Outfit. Which means that this is going to be another one-sided fight. The Man In The Black Cape 17:31, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I'm voting for that berserker, Fran. when she went ape-shit on the entire crew of the Shiva (it was the Shiva, right?), i just sat back and smiled. that's right. that's the entire reason i'm voting for her, and no other.CodeNameRedXIII 17:49, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Oh Heck Yeah! Fran is easily one of my favorites! She kicks alot of butt, she can use Magic(ks) when you first get to play as her, and she knows a whole lot of stuff! She can come in handy. SuperGuyverUSA 12:52, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Never played FFX so I'll stick with the one I know Bruntie2 20:35, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Fran has so many votes for her, it's pointless to give a reason in my part. Pikmin Master 01:47, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Kimahri... when did he show up..? Fran at least is good for humor. MadHatter1284 04:55, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely in favour for Fran. Kimahri spent more time warming the bench than in the party... MMLNメーマウリアン 08:46, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
X is my favorite game ever and I like Kimarhi but Fran is one of my favorite FF chars. BoAKaN 11:13, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
They're both supposed to be "jack of all trades" characters, but Fran is immediately useful, whereas you have to bend your ass over backwards to make Kimahri more than a pinch-hitter for Auron. Hyacynth 16:59, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Fran really helped on FF XII, I never even used Kimarhi Acrum92 18:22, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
BigSlurp : Fran for sure. She simply kciks mad behind, which is something that Ronso fool never could really achieve.
It's funny how FFTogether had a Khimari vs Fran just three weeks ago. My decision has not changed. I vote for Fran. Fran>Kimahri, and FFXII>FFX. --wee187 21:52, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Fran has proved alot more useful than Kimahri, I'd rather vote for her. Also, FFXII is better than FFX :D User: ZaFlareStar 11:50, November 14, 2009
I made a lot more use of Fran, so vote has to be for her despite the fact i appear to be one of those rare people who has nothing against Kimahri (and despite the fact X is better than XII) BritPenance 10:00, November 14,2009 (UTC)
This is a hard choice as I like both of them. Still, Auron can pick up Kimahri's slack with the piercing weapons, but who would replace Fran? Vaan? Bond em7 13:51, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
Loving FFXII right now so I gotta go with Fran, and yes, she did go total Ape shit and that is a win in my book. --BiggsandWedge 22:47, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
Who the heck is Kimahri? A Desert? Jis 20:43, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
I dont like either of them. In ff12 i use all characters cuase they dont have their own speciality but in ff10 i didnt use kimahri
Is this supposed to be a joke or something? I vote for the one with the hot accent over the one that doesn't speak. Xaphnir 02:41, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
XII was a better game so Fran gets my vote ~~
At least Fran's some use in her host game. Kimahri can jump under a shoopuf for all I care. Bosola
Khimari may be a beastly dude, but Fran's long distance attacks would just blow him away. +onionknight+
"dat ass". Besides, Kimahri was never useful to me. RadLink5 05:58, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
Vieras are made of win. - 22.214.171.124 01:07, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Like 'em both, but I'll go with the one that speaks properly. 126.96.36.199 17:12, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Fran, i get turned on by Vieras IDK why188.8.131.52 14:05, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
Votes for Kimahri
Khimari can with some effort become absolutely anything! Want an Auron with Wakka's Buster moves? Have him merge into Wakka's SG then go towards Auron's. Want a perfect Supporter? Have him use Tidus and Rikku's SGs. Want a perfect Mage? Use Yuna and Lulu's! The only problem is, if you screw that up you can instead get stuck with a really weak character who can't do either Magic or Physical attacks... And a second character with Hastega is always good!Uppfinnarn(U/T) 21:13, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
The poor little hulk gets a pity vote. AetherWolf 23:48, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
Kimahri's more useful then Fran, he uses peircing weapons, has blue mage abilities, and can use ANYONE'S abilities want 2 samurais, use kimahri and auron! (Also, I never use fran!) Blackheart1991 23:53, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
Kimahri is cool. People love Stoic Badass who are complete douches but hate a guy like Kimahri for....being a stoic badass(and actually a nice guy). WHAT? He's not that bad gameplay wise. But Fran probably get more votes because some may get distracted by some sort of sex appeal and might not notice her lousy character. Anony
I can't believe this fight got chosen... I also can't believe I'm actually voting for Kimahri. As much as I dislike Kimahri, Fran is just flat... no, not in that way, I mean flat as a character. She's there for sex appeal and to foil Balthier, that's all. Kimahri's not much better, but at least he's not purely fan service. Nokareon
At least Kimahri deals with Kimahri problems. ;) --Cluna06 01:33, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I don't like Kimahri much, but he's more interesting than Fran. I like XII but it's characters(with the obvious exception) are not that cool. Plus, picture Kimahri wearing sunglasses, riding a motorcycle, then do the same for Fran.--SkinOfSilver 03:47, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
The fact that Fran had a thong on, yet wasn't human sent my mind through a blender. But I always like Kimahri. He was generally badass. SidviciousHart 04:38, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I dislike the clothes that scream "Im a skank" Also, Kimahri looks cool, but as a character who doesn't have proper direction in battle, I don't like him much, but prefer him to Fran Basillisk 09:46, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I haven't played FFXII so I vote Kimahri. I think he's awesome PLUS he reminds me of a Khajiit. --Sencilia 09:58, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Leave some for Kimahri! What a legend. Poor thing got his whole race wiped out by a man who keeps respawning after you kill him. There isn't much shame in that. "You have angered Kimahri! The spirit of the Ronso will guide Kimahri's spear!' Sinisa26 20:34, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I'm going with the Dragoon/Blue Mage here. Restraz
I don't like Kimahri, in fact I like Fran more. But I feel sorry for the poor retard hornless of the retard tribe of retard blue one-horned lions. And I wanted to do something different today. Zak Undersn 22:41, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Haven't played very much of XII, but Kimahri was a pretty cool character. Emiga 23:34, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I can't decide if my vote is to help balance the scales or just to spite Fran. But I guess I like Blue Mages, so that's one point towards whoever this guy is... -- File:FFIII-nes-sage.gifSaethori(T / C) - 03:37, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
I do not really like either of them. I did not use either of them unless i had to but if I had to decide I would go with kimari. At least he was useful at the beginning.Seraphim IX 18:47, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Hornless! Hornless! (Imagine Fran with torn ears) FinalAnnihilator 11:34, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
Masamune: I would be happiest if neither won. In a tie, neither party is the victor. In order to best procure a tie, I will be voting for the character with less votes.
Terran: Blue Mage + Dragoon = Kimahri gets my vote.
Wavesteel: He singlehandedly regain his honor in a fight against two larger opponets. And he has thrust kick.
KIMAHRI! KIMAHRI! KIMAHRI FTW!!! Sorry, I just think he's way too overrated. Oh well, he doesn't have any chance against the hot bunny lady, but... at least he gets my vote. --Finalfreakfantasy 15:29, November 18, 2009 (UTC) 15:28, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Super Nova is amazing. Intercision 21:05, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
Kimahri hands down, for the fact, minus being a summoner, he can be a physical attacker, a mage, and even a theif, while fran cannot, and also SUPER NOVACaptainKhaos 21:25 Novemer 19, 2009 (UTC)
Because I actually do like Kimahri, a little. He's not the best FFX character, but I like him better than Ms. Fanservice over there. Plus, I really like spear-wielders, so that's another point for him. StarkMaximum
Oh this is so hard, I freaking love Fran but I also love Kimahri... So for the sake of giving Kimahri more votes, I'll vote for him. I love the Blue Mage class and I love the Dragoon class, so Kimahri was a godsend for me. I loved how he was so versatile and could become whatever you wanted him to. As a character he's loveable and sweet, and he's a blue, horned LION man... For goodness' sake, what's not to love? No78
For some reason, I just really liked Kimarhi. He was pretty versatile stat wise, I used him quite a lot really, but he's just an awesome character. I liked Fran, just not as much Bluesilver
Kimarhi has the brawns, the brains, the agility, and the dexterity!!!! I VOTE HIM!!!!!! HAHAHA!!! Emmaus 777-7777
I don't like specially either one, so just because he's losing and as an anti-faping vote Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 12:37, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
At this point, I doesn't matter what anyone votes, so I flipped a coin BlaqheartGIG 21:06, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
Evade and counter, Counter and counter magic made Kimahri my top healer for all of the higher level fights!! He just dodged everything!! Plus he is the strong and silent type ^_^ FinalFantasyAerith
I never really liked him but he gets my pity vote cuz this is so one-sided Randomnessity
Kimahri definitely. Though I'm not crazy about either, at least I can feel sorry for Kimahri and have a bit of respect for him due to what he has gone through and is willing to do for Yuna. Fran is one of the worst female characters in the series. She is nothing more than fanservice.--StragusLore 17:29, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
I did never use kimari in my team so much but he has a cool attitude so that's why i'll vote for him184.108.40.206 10:54, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I don't particularly have a preference here, but I liked Kimahri enough to vote for him to give him a chance, since it seems he'll be the underdog here. 220.127.116.11 12:32, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
18.104.22.168 12:47, November 29, 2009 (UTC) I use Kimahri more than Fran, who is my least used character in XII, Kimahri has piercing weapons, good strength, and a good hit rate, all Fran has over him is range.
I kind of liked Golbez versus Edea more...--ClixPsi 23:39, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
This fight is gonna be such a landslide it's not funny. Drake Clawfang 23:52, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it is Drake. I liked your fight better. TheBlueDragoon 00:01, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
You screwed up the homepage, THE HOMEPAGE!!!Blackheart1991 23:54, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
I don't know who to vote for. Didn't play XII and Kimhari sucked in battle. Oh and why does the last fight say "Draw: 57 to 52"? Last time I checked, 57>52--DarkTriforce 00:16, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Pokes the large Rules header* "Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less." JohnnyC
Please, what happened? First, Rydia suddenly 'lost' the fight she won sixty-some (not 57) to 52, then the fight changed from Golbez-Edea to Fran-Kimahri. So... what happened? KujaRhapsodos 00:21, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
The fight was changed by Drake, not by TA. TA changed it to this one. TheBlueDragoon 00:26, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Talk to him, though he likely won't care. He even added back some illegal votes, but good luck telling him that. Drake Clawfang 00:27, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I know. I learned to just roll with it though Drake. I liked your fight better. TheBlueDragoon 00:43, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
This fight < Drake's fight. True story. Armageddon11! 01:07, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Indeed Armageddon. Drake's fight was better. There are so many other fights better than this one. Bangaas and Vieras, Kuja and Genesis... So many TheBlueDragoon 01:20, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I agree too. This fight is a bit uninteresting. (And I would LOVE to see a Kuja vs. Genesis fight!) KujaRhapsodos 01:30, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
It really is. I've suggested a lot of fights, but this one is just going to be a landslide. TheBlueDragoon 01:34, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Total landslide. I don't understand how anyone can like Kimahri. Nothing turns me off to a character faster than a non-existent personality and broken English. Drake Clawfang 01:42, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
You got that right. It's not just Kimahri though. All of the Ronso speak in broken English. However, I reserve a special kind of hatred for Kimahri. He has no personality, he's a mixture of Blue Mage/Dragoon, yet he fails epically on both. His Jump and best abilities (ie, Stone Breath, Mighty Guard, Nova) are only available as Overdrives. Compare him to a Dragoon such as Kain or Freya and he's worthless. Compare him to a Blue Mage such as Strago or Quina and he's also worthless. Overall, Kimahri fails both as a story character and as a fighter. TheBlueDragoon 01:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Whine one one, we need a waaaaaaambulance, pronto! Dear god, the casualties are astounding! Jesus Christ! AetherWolf 19:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Just looking at the gameplay, that's a pretty good summary of the problems with Kimahri. Although, on a vote, I have to question the idea that Kimahri "doesn't have any badass moments." This is the guy who challenged the reincarnated Seymour alone so that everyone else could get away, rode a snowmobile (made awesome by being a panther-man with a horn), & went apeshit on Tidus near the beginning of the game.Neo Bahamut 01:01, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
I'll bite. Yes, Kimahri sucks for the reasons I listed above. But he does have some badass moments, especially the one you mentioned. I can think of a few more. When he faced Biran and Yenke two-on-one, when he nearly beat the shit out of Tidus, and when they fought Seymuoe of the third time. The spirits of the Ronso gave Kimahri the atrength to fight one. He sucks as a character, but he does have a few moments, but they're few and far between. TheBlueDragoon 03:09, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I'm a little reluctant to say that he sucks. MY Kimahri has never been useful, but that might just be in how I use him. Then again, he's not necessary. But then yet again, that's been the formula for most FFs. X's "you have to use all characters" thing was relatively new, so yeah. Personally, I like Kimahri, but I do have to concede that he probably had about the smallest role in the game, of the main cast.Neo Bahamut 03:48, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, thats true. He CAN be useful, but it just takes a lot of time and patience. Everyone else has their own group pattern, but Kimahri can go down any of their paths. I just am biased because the Dragoon and Blue Mage are my favorite job classes. Compared to Kain or Strago, Kimahri just isn't cut out. He did save my ass once, but just once and I rarely use him anyway. All the other characters can do what Kimahri does, only better. TheBlueDragoon 23:29, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd have to say that X had the worst blue magic hands down. On an unrelated note, to one of the voters: "The series went downhill after X." There have only been 2 main series games since. How can you state that as a fact?
That's untrue. The series is still strong. XI doesn't count in my book and XII was incredible. I think that voter must be a hardcore fan of the older games. TheBlueDragoon 19:04, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
I neither confirmed nor denied it. I'm just asking for reasoning. XI doesn't count as far as I'm concerned, either (although fridge logic has deduced that it was brilliant marketing). However, XII was terrible. I don't want to make a massive paragraph, so I'll just list a few reasons & move on. Poor characters, large tracks of nothing but fighting through fields & dungeons, terrible summoning & ability system. Now that I've quantized my disdain somewhat, here's what I think: I CAN see the argument. A lot of these games have been pretty hit-or-miss. Compilation titles, Dissidia, XII, you pretty much love 'em or hate 'em. What I'm saying is that, even if you hate them all, it's not really much to make a decision on. Most of them are spinoffs, & pretty much every main FF is like that. Even Final Fantasy can't please all of the people all of the time. That's why it settles for making 13+ different games, each designed to please some of the people some of the time.Neo Bahamut 19:11, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
To the voter for Fran saying that archers always hit fliers, that's not true. Bow attacks can miss. TheBlueDragoon 00:50, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Not only that, if you took Kimahri down Wakka's sphere path, then he could hit flyers too Modedan 01:03, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Wakka can miss too. All I have to say: guns are the best weapons in XII: they're unaffected by weather, can't miss, can't be dodged, blocked, parried or otherwiseevaded, and ignore defense. The.DreadnoughT 02:35, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
All the above is true Dreadnought, but I have one more point to add. You can exploit some weaknesses with the gun. There aren't any Earth-based spells available to the played, unless you count Hamshal, the Esper. Plus Aqua Shot is devastating against enemies weak to water. TheBlueDragoon 02:41, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Also guns are the best when you're forced to use underleveled characters, or if your whole team is underleveled. Dreadnought missed the fact they will always do the same damage unaffected by levels or stats. And Aldebaram Y is one of IZJS's best weapons.Discordius 04:43, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Reminds me of the initial level challenge. Guns make that challenge possible. Another thing I forgot to mention is the guns also provide range at the cost of speed. TheBlueDragoon 05:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't really decide who would win between the two because the character growth is strictly at the whim of the player, making statistics almost useless, so to shamelessly justify my vote and incite some laughter, all I can say is simply this.....Biran:"Howl alone! Howl alone!" Yenke:"Hornless! Hornless!"
Modedan 01:00, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I liked Kimahri--you heard me--& I hated Fran, but if I had to judge which character I prefer to use (which IS the prompt), it's easily Fran. She was a MASSIVE help when she came into the party, & remained so for quite some time. Her story is a bit lacking, with a lot of plot devices dropped for no apparent reason (Mist Rages, anyone?), so if it was strictly a question of "who's a better character," Kimahri would get my vote. Also, I hate the blatant furry fanservice. It feels kind of insulting to me, as a player. They "have to wear high heels" because of their foot structure? And why do they always run around not only half-clothed, but with the erogenous zones being what they don't really cover up? Come on, the fetish fuel is way too in-your-face & over-the-top. And, quite frankly, 50-year-old-rabbit-women don't really do it for me, anyway. What was I talking about before my rant? Ah, well. I do like this fight more, as I actually feel like there are characters to judge. Still would have preferred mah Genesis vs. Kuja, though.Neo Bahamut 05:15, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see Genesis vs. Kuja as well. Modedan 05:35, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Seems pretty unanimous. Hope they do that Kuja-Genesis fight soon. KujaRhapsodos 11:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't say "unanimous," but there does seem to be a lot of support.Neo Bahamut 01:01, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
I've been on this Wiki for a few months now, as an anonymous, and I haven't seen 1) a single fight where I could actually vote 2) a really good fight. I happened to like that Golbez-Edea fight more than any other I had ever seen, but... It didn't last long. That's why I long for a Kuja-Genesis fight: I could vote, and [I think] it would not be a landslide like this one (in fact, that's the worse I've ever seen). Kuja-Sephiroth would be great too, no? KujaRhapsodos 12:39, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
At last! there is no FFVII Fight. for real guys, don't you think FFVII becomes so annoying? A.X.A 12:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I find it annoying and a little hypocritical that you bring up FF7 just to complain about it. Drake Clawfang 13:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
How was he being a hypocrite? - Ash Crimson 13:22, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
^I dunno really. My experiences in FFVII was great except the part of the Fanboys. and now I've been a hypocrite just because I'm saying my opinion? How funny. A.X.A 13:52, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
lol, you said hypocrite? I think Alex was right after all...please dont's use this kind of words again even if you are Moderator. Regoli 14:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I'll use whatever words I wish regardless of my status, last I checked "hypocrite" isn't a curse. It's slightly hypocritical to bring up FF7 and then complain about FF7 in a way that implies you're tied of hearing about it. It's like speeding down the street yelling about reckless drivers. If you find FF7 so annoying, fine. But no one was discussing FF7 so why did you feel the need to bring this up? Drake Clawfang 18:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
(To Alex) Don't get confused between fans of FF7 and FF7 Fanboys (if there is such a thing). What i don't appreciate are people who vote AGAINST a character from a certain FF game merely because of a preconceived notion that anyone who votes for that very same character are just fanboys of the FF game from whence that character came. For example, some people vote against all FFIV characters because they hate the fans of FFIV, not because they liked or disliked any of the characters themselves.CodeNameRedXIII 18:14, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Look i won't flame a war here so i would say that I've bring FFVII because i wanted to do so, plus i was playing VII neither hate it nor get bored until the Fanboys of FFVII was talking about it. The characters were nice, in Dissidia I've mained Cloud, and Sephiroth and I'm even a fan to the Crisis Core game. Repeated things IMO is really boring and no offense to anyone. A.X.A 19:20, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I DO hate that. Why do people think it makes any logical sense to talk about how "annoying" FFVII is, then say they don't have a problem with it? And fanboys my ass, you brought it up when no one was talking about it. I've complained on numerous occasions about people taking every opportunity to bash the game. You're right, though, repeated things are really boring, & that's why I'd really like it if people would just shut up about it. Even if it was the issue people make it out to be, it's not like it's the game's fault. I mean, FFVI fans kind of annoy me, what with their "it's the best game ever, & VII just rips it off!" thing, but I don't say FFVI sucks specifically because I've had run-ins with some fans. That's just asinine.Neo Bahamut 01:01, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys i was wrong about bringing VII out of nowhere and talk so bad like that. I'll accept my false doings so please guys forgive me. Now can we continue this battle peacefully?<<< doesn't sound right lol. A.X.A 07:42, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Of course. But once it happens, I almost have to throw in my $0.02. I've developed a great amount of arguments to defend VII, & use them as needed. I just wish I wouldn't have to use them so much on the god damned FF Wiki. I mean, seriously. The FF Wiki has an overabundance of VII-hate?Neo Bahamut 19:01, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
HAHA OH WOW. You never cease to amuse me, TA.Zak Undersn 20:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Wait, wait: Plus, picture Kimahri wearing sunglasses, riding a motorcycle, then do the same for Fran. Ridiculous blue thingy vs. Hawt bunny girl? How's that helping kimahri get votes?
(Sidenote: Whenever I picture someone riding a motorcicle, they wear leather jackets and jeans)Zak Undersn 22:46, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Surely if Kimahri was riding a motorcycle all that fur would be a hazard of some kind.Setzcole 23:53, November 12, 2009 (UTC
Kimahri does ride a snowmobile after Macarena woods.Discordius 00:18, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
MadHatter: Care to provide some examples? The only humor I can really remember with Fran has been very dry. "You shouldn't ask a woman about her age" comes to mind.Neo Bahamut 04:58, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Fran wasn't funny on her own, she's more Balthier's straight man. "The gods do not smile on us." "I like it better that way." Drake Clawfang 23:43, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
I can see that.Neo Bahamut 00:49, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Well, personally, I love these two! But you can't really argue over who is more useful or more powerful. Both characters are NOT set by a job class (Fran=archer, Kimahri=blue mage, although he's the only one who can learn blue magic), by actions or stats. Both start mediocre, both come from games that have systems that can customize their stats and role(s) in battle. Both can grow as tanks or mages.
You can't argue whose story is more concrete, as both only enhance the main story, not complete it.
As for asthetics, well let's just say, can we please not encourage the fetish-enthusiasts! Blah!ThaneThamasa 00:06, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
The problem is that this is all very general. People have said that materia & magicite are "both crystals that teach you abilities," but having played both games, I can tell you that there are plenty of VERY glaring differences. To use an example. The point is that this sort of argument takes place in the FINE DETAILS that make the 2 games different. Although, even noting that, you may very well have a point: People most likey play Fran because they like her &/or she starts with a bow. As for the last thing, fanservice is okay, until it becomes superfluous & unnecessary, &/or if the character seems to be ONLY there for fanservice.Neo Bahamut 00:49, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
True, True as I was looking at it from a not-so-in-depth look, as say a Pro-FF VII Vs. FFVII Haters arguement that tends to happeen alot in this place...22.214.171.124 17:04, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Right, right, & you raised an interesting point. My response is basically that superficial arguments tend to miss the meat of the issue. For example, it's been stated that "all FF games are the same, about some ragtag resistance group fighting an empire &, later, saving the world from some psycho." While this has a grain of truth in it, clearly the individual stories are very diverse, if you take a close look at them.
Also, to an unnamed voter: I actually respect female characters more if they have a romantic interest. Why is that? Well, writers seem to get this idea in their heads that a character can either be badass or have a love interest, but not both. This, however, only applies to women. Cloud, Locke, Tidus (Although, Your Mileage May Vary), etc. seem to be immune to this. So, I think it adds a certain amount of depth. A character with femininity that can still be quite badass. Celes, Aerith, etc. That's not to say it CAN'T be done right the other way, but usually, it tends to spread in the realm of being 2D. Usually. There are exceptions.Neo Bahamut 21:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
As usual, I have returned to comment on votes. "Who can replace Fran?" Everybody. Everybody can unlock the same licenses, there's no major differences between the Quickenings &, worst of all, everyone starts in roughly the same area on the license system. As far as development goes in XII, you're almost sure to get 6 identical characters very quickly, which is why I say that Fran is nothing special. As to her going "apeshit," I've never liked that scene. It was completely ridiculous.Her first blow, when she kicked that guy in the face, her high heel should have flown off which, according to the Clan Primer (I believe--may have been the strategy guide, or something), would have rendered her immobile. Plus, the plot device was forgotten afterwards, despite the fact that it would have been relevant as aid or hinderance several times. It was a poorly executed asspull, in short. Lastly, a desert is a geographical feature. A dessert is a course in a meal. And with that, I fade back into obscurity....Neo Bahamut 00:18, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Since we're responding to voters, to finalfreakfantasy, kimahri is overrated? what? Most people hate him, he may even dip slightly into underrated, though he doesn't have much to underrate... he is by no stretch of the imagination overrated... Zuken 15:46, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Definitely Kimahri. He's a small member of his species and definitely has small man syndrome
Unregistered voters for Kimahri: Please sign your votes. The newest paragraph comparing him & Fran was awesome (albeit somewhat of a run-on), so I'd hate for it not to count.02:09, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
Exdeath64: Fran had good characterization? Surely you jest.Neo Bahamut 03:20, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
Three! Three comments in a row, ahahha! I notice a lot of votes pointing out that Fran has a superior range (no pun intended) of weaponery. Fair enough, but these comments are also forgetting Kimahri's Overdrives. Nova (NOT Supernova)>Bow. Easy. Also, "...following the general idea that XII characters are more powerful than other FF characters." LOL, WUT? Fanboyism for the win?Neo Bahamut 19:57, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering about that very same comment. Why would the FFXII characters considered stronger? If we were to look at pure damage-dealing potential at full ability, then the FFX characters would be the most powerful (after going though the entire sphere grid and getting their final weapons) of all the FF's. They had the potential to inflict 100,000HP of damage on every hit (well, 99,999), and if their speed was high enough, they could do it multiple times in a row. Given their multiple hitting overdrives, you had the potential to do obscene amounts of damage. Zodiark had the second most powerful strike in the game, but it only did about 60,000, and that was a lot for FFXII, especially since the characters in FFXII could only start breaking the damage barrier when using a large and complex chain of Mist Charges. I find that, in these battles, i have to suspend my knowlege of the damage these characters delt in their respective games and vote on a principal of "all things being equal." CodeNameRedXIII 07:16, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Hey children, wanna recreate this fight at home? Then take an egg (representing Kimahri), then throw it as hard as you can at a brick wall (representing Fran) Maybe next battle it could be trucks and kittens BlaqheartGIG 04:30, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Just felt like putting this out here. Isn't this fight two and a half weeks old now? JohnnyC
This is supposed to be a weekly affair and i don't think we've had two fights in two weeks in forever... 126.96.36.199 17:22, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
Fight idea! Tacticangel updating the DNC vs. Tacticangel NOT updating the DNC... pretty one sided actually.FaythOfFenrir 18:47, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
One sided? Then it'd be perfect!ClixPsi 02:12, December 2, 2009 (UTC)