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I kind of liked Golbez versus Edea more...--ClixPsi 23:39, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
This fight is gonna be such a landslide it's not funny. Drake Clawfang 23:52, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, it is Drake. I liked your fight better. TheBlueDragoon 00:01, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
You screwed up the homepage, THE HOMEPAGE!!!Blackheart1991 23:54, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
I don't know who to vote for. Didn't play XII and Kimhari sucked in battle. Oh and why does the last fight say "Draw: 57 to 52"? Last time I checked, 57>52--DarkTriforce 00:16, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Pokes the large Rules header* "Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less." JohnnyC
Please, what happened? First, Rydia suddenly 'lost' the fight she won sixty-some (not 57) to 52, then the fight changed from Golbez-Edea to Fran-Kimahri. So... what happened? KujaRhapsodos 00:21, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- The fight was changed by Drake, not by TA. TA changed it to this one. TheBlueDragoon 00:26, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Talk to him, though he likely won't care. He even added back some illegal votes, but good luck telling him that. Drake Clawfang 00:27, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- I know. I learned to just roll with it though Drake. I liked your fight better. TheBlueDragoon 00:43, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- This fight < Drake's fight. True story. Armageddon11!
 01:07, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed Armageddon. Drake's fight was better. There are so many other fights better than this one. Bangaas and Vieras, Kuja and Genesis... So many TheBlueDragoon 01:20, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- I agree too. This fight is a bit uninteresting. (And I would LOVE to see a Kuja vs. Genesis fight!) KujaRhapsodos 01:30, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- It really is. I've suggested a lot of fights, but this one is just going to be a landslide. TheBlueDragoon 01:34, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Total landslide. I don't understand how anyone can like Kimahri. Nothing turns me off to a character faster than a non-existent personality and broken English. Drake Clawfang 01:42, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- You got that right. It's not just Kimahri though. All of the Ronso speak in broken English. However, I reserve a special kind of hatred for Kimahri. He has no personality, he's a mixture of Blue Mage/Dragoon, yet he fails epically on both. His Jump and best abilities (ie, Stone Breath, Mighty Guard, Nova) are only available as Overdrives. Compare him to a Dragoon such as Kain or Freya and he's worthless. Compare him to a Blue Mage such as Strago or Quina and he's also worthless. Overall, Kimahri fails both as a story character and as a fighter. TheBlueDragoon 01:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Whine one one, we need a waaaaaaambulance, pronto! Dear god, the casualties are astounding! Jesus Christ! AetherWolf 19:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? Just looking at the gameplay, that's a pretty good summary of the problems with Kimahri. Although, on a vote, I have to question the idea that Kimahri "doesn't have any badass moments." This is the guy who challenged the reincarnated Seymour alone so that everyone else could get away, rode a snowmobile (made awesome by being a panther-man with a horn), & went apeshit on Tidus near the beginning of the game.Neo Bahamut 01:01, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- I'll bite. Yes, Kimahri sucks for the reasons I listed above. But he does have some badass moments, especially the one you mentioned. I can think of a few more. When he faced Biran and Yenke two-on-one, when he nearly beat the shit out of Tidus, and when they fought Seymuoe of the third time. The spirits of the Ronso gave Kimahri the atrength to fight one. He sucks as a character, but he does have a few moments, but they're few and far between. TheBlueDragoon 03:09, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- Personally, I'm a little reluctant to say that he sucks. MY Kimahri has never been useful, but that might just be in how I use him. Then again, he's not necessary. But then yet again, that's been the formula for most FFs. X's "you have to use all characters" thing was relatively new, so yeah. Personally, I like Kimahri, but I do have to concede that he probably had about the smallest role in the game, of the main cast.Neo Bahamut 03:48, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, thats true. He CAN be useful, but it just takes a lot of time and patience. Everyone else has their own group pattern, but Kimahri can go down any of their paths. I just am biased because the Dragoon and Blue Mage are my favorite job classes. Compared to Kain or Strago, Kimahri just isn't cut out. He did save my ass once, but just once and I rarely use him anyway. All the other characters can do what Kimahri does, only better. TheBlueDragoon 23:29, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'd have to say that X had the worst blue magic hands down. On an unrelated note, to one of the voters: "The series went downhill after X." There have only been 2 main series games since. How can you state that as a fact?
- That's untrue. The series is still strong. XI doesn't count in my book and XII was incredible. I think that voter must be a hardcore fan of the older games. TheBlueDragoon 19:04, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
- I neither confirmed nor denied it. I'm just asking for reasoning. XI doesn't count as far as I'm concerned, either (although fridge logic has deduced that it was brilliant marketing). However, XII was terrible. I don't want to make a massive paragraph, so I'll just list a few reasons & move on. Poor characters, large tracks of nothing but fighting through fields & dungeons, terrible summoning & ability system. Now that I've quantized my disdain somewhat, here's what I think: I CAN see the argument. A lot of these games have been pretty hit-or-miss. Compilation titles, Dissidia, XII, you pretty much love 'em or hate 'em. What I'm saying is that, even if you hate them all, it's not really much to make a decision on. Most of them are spinoffs, & pretty much every main FF is like that. Even Final Fantasy can't please all of the people all of the time. That's why it settles for making 13+ different games, each designed to please some of the people some of the time.Neo Bahamut 19:11, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
To the voter for Fran saying that archers always hit fliers, that's not true. Bow attacks can miss. TheBlueDragoon 00:50, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Not only that, if you took Kimahri down Wakka's sphere path, then he could hit flyers too Modedan 01:03, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Very true. TheBlueDragoon 01:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Wakka can miss too. All I have to say: guns are the best weapons in XII: they're unaffected by weather, can't miss, can't be dodged, blocked, parried or otherwise evaded, and ignore defense. The.DreadnoughT 02:35, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- All the above is true Dreadnought, but I have one more point to add. You can exploit some weaknesses with the gun. There aren't any Earth-based spells available to the played, unless you count Hamshal, the Esper. Plus Aqua Shot is devastating against enemies weak to water. TheBlueDragoon 02:41, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Also guns are the best when you're forced to use underleveled characters, or if your whole team is underleveled. Dreadnought missed the fact they will always do the same damage unaffected by levels or stats. And Aldebaram Y is one of IZJS's best weapons.Discordius 04:43, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Reminds me of the initial level challenge. Guns make that challenge possible. Another thing I forgot to mention is the guns also provide range at the cost of speed. TheBlueDragoon 05:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't really decide who would win between the two because the character growth is strictly at the whim of the player, making statistics almost useless, so to shamelessly justify my vote and incite some laughter, all I can say is simply this.....Biran:"Howl alone! Howl alone!" Yenke:"Hornless! Hornless!"
Modedan 01:00, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I liked Kimahri--you heard me--& I hated Fran, but if I had to judge which character I prefer to use (which IS the prompt), it's easily Fran. She was a MASSIVE help when she came into the party, & remained so for quite some time. Her story is a bit lacking, with a lot of plot devices dropped for no apparent reason (Mist Rages, anyone?), so if it was strictly a question of "who's a better character," Kimahri would get my vote. Also, I hate the blatant furry fanservice. It feels kind of insulting to me, as a player. They "have to wear high heels" because of their foot structure? And why do they always run around not only half-clothed, but with the erogenous zones being what they don't really cover up? Come on, the fetish fuel is way too in-your-face & over-the-top. And, quite frankly, 50-year-old-rabbit-women don't really do it for me, anyway. What was I talking about before my rant? Ah, well. I do like this fight more, as I actually feel like there are characters to judge. Still would have preferred mah Genesis vs. Kuja, though.Neo Bahamut 05:15, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- I'd like to see Genesis vs. Kuja as well. Modedan 05:35, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Seems pretty unanimous. Hope they do that Kuja-Genesis fight soon. KujaRhapsodos 11:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say "unanimous," but there does seem to be a lot of support.Neo Bahamut 01:01, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- I've been on this Wiki for a few months now, as an anonymous, and I haven't seen 1) a single fight where I could actually vote 2) a really good fight. I happened to like that Golbez-Edea fight more than any other I had ever seen, but... It didn't last long. That's why I long for a Kuja-Genesis fight: I could vote, and [I think] it would not be a landslide like this one (in fact, that's the worse I've ever seen). Kuja-Sephiroth would be great too, no? KujaRhapsodos 12:39, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
At last! there is no FFVII Fight. for real guys, don't you think FFVII becomes so annoying? A.X.A 12:55, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- I find it annoying and a little hypocritical that you bring up FF7 just to complain about it. Drake Clawfang 13:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- How was he being a hypocrite? - Ash Crimson 13:22, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- ^I dunno really. My experiences in FFVII was great except the part of the Fanboys. and now I've been a hypocrite just because I'm saying my opinion? How funny. A.X.A 13:52, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- lol, you said hypocrite? I think Alex was right after all...please dont's use this kind of words again even if you are Moderator. Regoli 14:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- I'll use whatever words I wish regardless of my status, last I checked "hypocrite" isn't a curse. It's slightly hypocritical to bring up FF7 and then complain about FF7 in a way that implies you're tied of hearing about it. It's like speeding down the street yelling about reckless drivers. If you find FF7 so annoying, fine. But no one was discussing FF7 so why did you feel the need to bring this up? Drake Clawfang 18:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- (To Alex) Don't get confused between fans of FF7 and FF7 Fanboys (if there is such a thing). What i don't appreciate are people who vote AGAINST a character from a certain FF game merely because of a preconceived notion that anyone who votes for that very same character are just fanboys of the FF game from whence that character came. For example, some people vote against all FFIV characters because they hate the fans of FFIV, not because they liked or disliked any of the characters themselves.CodeNameRedXIII 18:14, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Look i won't flame a war here so i would say that I've bring FFVII because i wanted to do so, plus i was playing VII neither hate it nor get bored until the Fanboys of FFVII was talking about it. The characters were nice, in Dissidia I've mained Cloud, and Sephiroth and I'm even a fan to the Crisis Core game. Repeated things IMO is really boring and no offense to anyone. A.X.A 19:20, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, I DO hate that. Why do people think it makes any logical sense to talk about how "annoying" FFVII is, then say they don't have a problem with it? And fanboys my ass, you brought it up when no one was talking about it. I've complained on numerous occasions about people taking every opportunity to bash the game. You're right, though, repeated things are really boring, & that's why I'd really like it if people would just shut up about it. Even if it was the issue people make it out to be, it's not like it's the game's fault. I mean, FFVI fans kind of annoy me, what with their "it's the best game ever, & VII just rips it off!" thing, but I don't say FFVI sucks specifically because I've had run-ins with some fans. That's just asinine.Neo Bahamut 01:01, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- Hey guys i was wrong about bringing VII out of nowhere and talk so bad like that. I'll accept my false doings so please guys forgive me. Now can we continue this battle peacefully?<<< doesn't sound right lol. A.X.A 07:42, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- Of course. But once it happens, I almost have to throw in my $0.02. I've developed a great amount of arguments to defend VII, & use them as needed. I just wish I wouldn't have to use them so much on the god damned FF Wiki. I mean, seriously. The FF Wiki has an overabundance of VII-hate?Neo Bahamut 19:01, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
HAHA OH WOW. You never cease to amuse me, TA.Zak Undersn 20:18, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Oh Noes! Someone stole Rydia's victory :D! Karu
Wait, wait: Plus, picture Kimahri wearing sunglasses, riding a motorcycle, then do the same for Fran. Ridiculous blue thingy vs. Hawt bunny girl? How's that helping kimahri get votes?
(Sidenote: Whenever I picture someone riding a motorcicle, they wear leather jackets and jeans)Zak Undersn 22:46, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Surely if Kimahri was riding a motorcycle all that fur would be a hazard of some kind.Setzcole 23:53, November 12, 2009 (UTC
- Kimahri does ride a snowmobile after Macarena woods.Discordius 00:18, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
MadHatter: Care to provide some examples? The only humor I can really remember with Fran has been very dry. "You shouldn't ask a woman about her age" comes to mind.Neo Bahamut 04:58, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- Fran wasn't funny on her own, she's more Balthier's straight man. "The gods do not smile on us." "I like it better that way." Drake Clawfang 23:43, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
- I can see that.Neo Bahamut 00:49, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Well, personally, I love these two! But you can't really argue over who is more useful or more powerful. Both characters are NOT set by a job class (Fran=archer, Kimahri=blue mage, although he's the only one who can learn blue magic), by actions or stats. Both start mediocre, both come from games that have systems that can customize their stats and role(s) in battle. Both can grow as tanks or mages.
You can't argue whose story is more concrete, as both only enhance the main story, not complete it.
As for asthetics, well let's just say, can we please not encourage the fetish-enthusiasts! Blah!ThaneThamasa 00:06, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
- The problem is that this is all very general. People have said that materia & magicite are "both crystals that teach you abilities," but having played both games, I can tell you that there are plenty of VERY glaring differences. To use an example. The point is that this sort of argument takes place in the FINE DETAILS that make the 2 games different. Although, even noting that, you may very well have a point: People most likey play Fran because they like her &/or she starts with a bow. As for the last thing, fanservice is okay, until it becomes superfluous & unnecessary, &/or if the character seems to be ONLY there for fanservice.Neo Bahamut 00:49, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
True, True as I was looking at it from a not-so-in-depth look, as say a Pro-FF VII Vs. FFVII Haters arguement that tends to happeen alot in this place...64.251.32.254 17:04, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
- Right, right, & you raised an interesting point. My response is basically that superficial arguments tend to miss the meat of the issue. For example, it's been stated that "all FF games are the same, about some ragtag resistance group fighting an empire &, later, saving the world from some psycho." While this has a grain of truth in it, clearly the individual stories are very diverse, if you take a close look at them.
- Also, to an unnamed voter: I actually respect female characters more if they have a romantic interest. Why is that? Well, writers seem to get this idea in their heads that a character can either be badass or have a love interest, but not both. This, however, only applies to women. Cloud, Locke, Tidus (Although, Your Mileage May Vary), etc. seem to be immune to this. So, I think it adds a certain amount of depth. A character with femininity that can still be quite badass. Celes, Aerith, etc. That's not to say it CAN'T be done right the other way, but usually, it tends to spread in the realm of being 2D. Usually. There are exceptions.Neo Bahamut 21:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
- As usual, I have returned to comment on votes. "Who can replace Fran?" Everybody. Everybody can unlock the same licenses, there's no major differences between the Quickenings &, worst of all, everyone starts in roughly the same area on the license system. As far as development goes in XII, you're almost sure to get 6 identical characters very quickly, which is why I say that Fran is nothing special. As to her going "apeshit," I've never liked that scene. It was completely ridiculous.Her first blow, when she kicked that guy in the face, her high heel should have flown off which, according to the Clan Primer (I believe--may have been the strategy guide, or something), would have rendered her immobile. Plus, the plot device was forgotten afterwards, despite the fact that it would have been relevant as aid or hinderance several times. It was a poorly executed asspull, in short. Lastly, a desert is a geographical feature. A dessert is a course in a meal. And with that, I fade back into obscurity....Neo Bahamut 00:18, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
- Since we're responding to voters, to finalfreakfantasy, kimahri is overrated? what? Most people hate him, he may even dip slightly into underrated, though he doesn't have much to underrate... he is by no stretch of the imagination overrated... Zuken 15:46, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Definitely Kimahri. He's a small member of his species and definitely has small man syndrome
- Unregistered voters for Kimahri: Please sign your votes. The newest paragraph comparing him & Fran was awesome (albeit somewhat of a run-on), so I'd hate for it not to count.02:09, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Exdeath64: Fran had good characterization? Surely you jest.Neo Bahamut 03:20, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
- Three! Three comments in a row, ahahha! I notice a lot of votes pointing out that Fran has a superior range (no pun intended) of weaponery. Fair enough, but these comments are also forgetting Kimahri's Overdrives. Nova (NOT Supernova)>Bow. Easy. Also, "...following the general idea that XII characters are more powerful than other FF characters." LOL, WUT? Fanboyism for the win?Neo Bahamut 19:57, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
- I was wondering about that very same comment. Why would the FFXII characters considered stronger? If we were to look at pure damage-dealing potential at full ability, then the FFX characters would be the most powerful (after going though the entire sphere grid and getting their final weapons) of all the FF's. They had the potential to inflict 100,000HP of damage on every hit (well, 99,999), and if their speed was high enough, they could do it multiple times in a row. Given their multiple hitting overdrives, you had the potential to do obscene amounts of damage. Zodiark had the second most powerful strike in the game, but it only did about 60,000, and that was a lot for FFXII, especially since the characters in FFXII could only start breaking the damage barrier when using a large and complex chain of Mist Charges. I find that, in these battles, i have to suspend my knowlege of the damage these characters delt in their respective games and vote on a principal of "all things being equal." CodeNameRedXIII 07:16, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Hey children, wanna recreate this fight at home? Then take an egg (representing Kimahri), then throw it as hard as you can at a brick wall (representing Fran) Maybe next battle it could be trucks and kittens BlaqheartGIG 04:30, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
Just felt like putting this out here. Isn't this fight two and a half weeks old now? JohnnyC
- This is supposed to be a weekly affair and i don't think we've had two fights in two weeks in forever... 92.233.202.38 17:22, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
Fight idea! Tacticangel updating the DNC vs. Tacticangel NOT updating the DNC... pretty one sided actually.FaythOfFenrir 18:47, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
- One sided? Then it'd be perfect!ClixPsi 02:12, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
- Where is TA, anyway? FaythOfFenrir 18:55, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
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